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(New Europe)   Eurogroup okays another hit of funding for Greece as the country is well into its sixth year in recession   (neurope.eu) divider line 59
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2013-07-09 09:02:28 AM
That's it bankers!
Kick them in the nuts when they're DOWN.
 
2013-07-09 09:05:14 AM
It is almost as if all of that austerity is having the opposite of the desired effect... who could have guessed?
 
2013-07-09 09:08:42 AM
Maybe next time they won't let Goldman Sachs cripple the whole country. Oh, who am I kidding, of course they will. They are just masters of tanking economies for short term gains.
 
2013-07-09 09:11:26 AM
VENTURE CAPITAL TO THE RESCUE!
 
2013-07-09 09:21:11 AM

quantum_csc: It is almost as if all of that austerity is having the opposite of the desired effect... who could have guessed?


No it's not, the austerity is very apparently having the expected effects, which is to get Greece back to a workable economy (which goes slow when your economy is as farked up as Greece's. and resisting at every point).

If you think the purpose was to create jobs or expand the public sector, then you're unfortunatly  moron.

You had 6 years to figure out what the purpose of austerity is, so, what's up?
 
2013-07-09 09:23:35 AM
I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.
 
2013-07-09 09:32:38 AM
Because the best solution to crushing debt is more loans.
 
2013-07-09 10:20:15 AM
Greece could be using drachmas now, and default/devalue like always, and go back to being a corrupt backwater with a joke currency but a reasonable standard of living.  Instead, it joined the euro, and everyone involved is worse off.
 
2013-07-09 10:24:56 AM

Lost Thought 00: I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.


The Greeks will think back to all of the years they didn't pay taxes and mooched off the EU and refused to work an honest day's work.
 
2013-07-09 10:46:34 AM

JohnAnnArbor: Greece could be using drachmas now, and default/devalue like always, and go back to being a corrupt backwater with a joke currency but a reasonable standard of living. Instead, it joined the euro, and everyone involved is worse off.


I don't know if they're worse off.  The problem here is that all parties made the original deal for self-serving purposes.  Sure Greece hid their debts but it's not like the EU lacked the resources to thoroughly check their numbers.  It was fun while it lasted, but it's predictably falling apart.  But even now, both sides are trying to do what's best for themselves.  There's no altruism at work here; if Greece could do better by going off the Euro I don't see anyone stopping them.  What are they gonna do, downgrade their debt?  Invade?  Sanctions?

Greece is one giant criminal organization; any system that relies on their compliance wasn't going to work in the first place.  So the solution is. . . what, the people of Greece to suddenly reverse decades of tax evasion and social welfare so that their corrupt government can pay back loans to banks that won't let Greece manage the currency they use?  Color me shocked, SHOCKED that the people will fight attempts to hold them accountable when A) they were never accountable to begin with and B) the deals they're being called upon to pay for weren't their idea in the first place!  You couldn't get a more farked-up set of expectations than if a government handed out loans to drug dealers to help them pay for a special income tax on illegal drugs to pay for law enforcement.  It's easy to blame unscrupulous sorts but anyone who thinks, after being given money, people will happily pay a debt so deeply contrary to their own interests needs their goddamn head examined.
 
2013-07-09 10:52:50 AM

Nemo's Brother: Lost Thought 00: I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.

The Greeks will think back to all of the years they didn't pay taxes and mooched off the EU and refused to work an honest day's work.


This is such an idiotic statement. You clearly have no idea WTF is going on in Greece.

Let me give you an example, and hopefully this will sober you up, along with the rest of the idiots that blame the Greek population instead of the government.

Question: One of my cousins, who lives in Greece, wants to purchase headphones worth 80 Euros, from a company in the US. He wanted to buy them legitimately and have them imported. How much in taxes was he asked to pay by the Greek government?

Is it:

A) 20 Euros
B) 35 Euros
C) Over 100 Euros

Yes, it is C. How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Is that his fault, or the fault of the millions of Greek kids unable to live in Greece because of this austerity program?
 
2013-07-09 10:59:07 AM

mainstreet62: How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?


Of which maybe 5 Euros goes toward paying back the debt.  If that.  The poorest Greek is an honest Greek.

People make much of Greece's tax evaders, but they evade taxes because the taxes really are that wack.  It's rather baffling that Americans complain about their tax burden and government inefficiency because their media regularly reports on a real-world case of uber-corrupt "tax and spend" cranked up to 11 and have the gall to blame the citizens for the government's mess.
 
2013-07-09 11:24:36 AM

dragonchild: mainstreet62: How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Of which maybe 5 Euros goes toward paying back the debt.  If that.  The poorest Greek is an honest Greek.

People make much of Greece's tax evaders, but they evade taxes because the taxes really are that wack.  It's rather baffling that Americans complain about their tax burden and government inefficiency because their media regularly reports on a real-world case of uber-corrupt "tax and spend" cranked up to 11 and have the gall to blame the citizens for the government's mess.


If I remember correctly, their gigantic billionaire shipping companies are exempt from taxes under the Greek constitution.
 
2013-07-09 11:29:56 AM

JohnAnnArbor: dragonchild: mainstreet62: How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Of which maybe 5 Euros goes toward paying back the debt.  If that.  The poorest Greek is an honest Greek.

People make much of Greece's tax evaders, but they evade taxes because the taxes really are that wack.  It's rather baffling that Americans complain about their tax burden and government inefficiency because their media regularly reports on a real-world case of uber-corrupt "tax and spend" cranked up to 11 and have the gall to blame the citizens for the government's mess.

If I remember correctly, their gigantic billionaire shipping companies are exempt from taxes under the Greek constitution.


You are correct. They are constitutionally exempt, which is total nonsense and needs to get changed immediately. Greece is a small country to begin with, population wise. Ruling out revenue from international sources is lunacy.
 
2013-07-09 11:36:31 AM
oi39.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-09 11:59:05 AM
Greece's primary exports are yogurt and buttsex, both of which are booming industries right now...I really don't get what the problem is...
 
2013-07-09 11:59:23 AM

mainstreet62: Nemo's Brother: Lost Thought 00: I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.

The Greeks will think back to all of the years they didn't pay taxes and mooched off the EU and refused to work an honest day's work.

This is such an idiotic statement. You clearly have no idea WTF is going on in Greece.

Let me give you an example, and hopefully this will sober you up, along with the rest of the idiots that blame the Greek population instead of the government.

Question: One of my cousins, who lives in Greece, wants to purchase headphones worth 80 Euros, from a company in the US. He wanted to buy them legitimately and have them imported. How much in taxes was he asked to pay by the Greek government?

Is it:

A) 20 Euros
B) 35 Euros
C) Over 100 Euros

Yes, it is C. How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Is that his fault, or the fault of the millions of Greek kids unable to live in Greece because of this austerity program?


Your example of kids unable to live is a farking luxury purchase???

White Greek people problems.
 
2013-07-09 12:06:32 PM
Not there yet, but getting closer, Euro.

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2013-07-09 12:13:51 PM

dragonchild: People make much of Greece's tax evaders, but they evade taxes because the taxes really are that wack.


Wait, you're trying to tell me that there is some level of taxation above which people will stop paying? Now that makes me Laff.
 
2013-07-09 12:22:35 PM

Carousel Beast: Your example of kids unable to live is a farking luxury purchase???


Oh sure, just conveniently IGNORE THE 125% PRICE MARKUP, you f*cking idiot!

Where is the economic activity Greece needs to recover going to come from if these items are taxed that high?

Think before you post, moron.
 
2013-07-09 01:16:54 PM

mainstreet62: Carousel Beast: Your example of kids unable to live is a farking luxury purchase???

Oh sure, just conveniently IGNORE THE 125% PRICE MARKUP, you f*cking idiot!

Where is the economic activity Greece needs to recover going to come from if these items are taxed that high?

Think before you post, moron.


I did think. I think pointing out taxes on a luxury purchase is retarded when you're argument is "kids can't afford to live in Greece!" Perhaps they can't afford to live because they, like their government, are too irresponsible with money? If only we could check.

If only there were an easy way to check tax rates and their level of fluctuation in Greece.
 
2013-07-09 01:30:24 PM

mainstreet62: Nemo's Brother: Lost Thought 00: I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.

The Greeks will think back to all of the years they didn't pay taxes and mooched off the EU and refused to work an honest day's work.

This is such an idiotic statement. You clearly have no idea WTF is going on in Greece.

Let me give you an example, and hopefully this will sober you up, along with the rest of the idiots that blame the Greek population instead of the government.

Question: One of my cousins, who lives in Greece, wants to purchase headphones worth 80 Euros, from a company in the US. He wanted to buy them legitimately and have them imported. How much in taxes was he asked to pay by the Greek government?

Is it:

A) 20 Euros
B) 35 Euros
C) Over 100 Euros

Yes, it is C. How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Is that his fault, or the fault of the millions of Greek kids unable to live in Greece because of this austerity program?


Are suppossed to assume that there are no headphones for sale in Greece before we get outragey?
 
2013-07-09 01:31:46 PM
Carousel Beast:  Perhaps they can't afford to live because they, like their government, are too irresponsible with money?

Young men aged 15-24 in Greece have an unemployment rate of almost 62%. For 25-34 year olds, it is 36%. Most young men don't even have a chance to be irresponsible with money, they don't make any.

http://rt.com/news/greece-unemployment-economy-austerity-226/

Perhaps you can stop talking out of your ass at any time, shiatty armchair economist that you are
 
2013-07-09 01:35:18 PM

jaybeezey: Are suppossed to assume that there are no headphones for sale in Greece before we get outragey?


You're missing the point entirely.

There is a 125% markup being paid directly to the government.
 
2013-07-09 01:36:57 PM

mainstreet62: jaybeezey: Are suppossed to assume that there are no headphones for sale in Greece before we get outragey?

You're missing the point entirely.

There is a 125% markup being paid directly to the government.


You can link to that, right? Because the search I linked to you doesn't have any such numbers.

BTW, nice moving the goal posts on your last reply to me.
 
2013-07-09 01:39:33 PM

mainstreet62: Nemo's Brother: Lost Thought 00: I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.

The Greeks will think back to all of the years they didn't pay taxes and mooched off the EU and refused to work an honest day's work.

This is such an idiotic statement. You clearly have no idea WTF is going on in Greece.

Let me give you an example, and hopefully this will sober you up, along with the rest of the idiots that blame the Greek population instead of the government.

Question: One of my cousins, who lives in Greece, wants to purchase headphones worth 80 Euros, from a company in the US. He wanted to buy them legitimately and have them imported. How much in taxes was he asked to pay by the Greek government?

Is it:

A) 20 Euros
B) 35 Euros
C) Over 100 Euros

Yes, it is C. How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Is that his fault, or the fault of the millions of Greek kids unable to live in Greece because of this austerity program?


Kinda speechless.

Millions of Greeks can't live in Greece because there's a tax on electronic items imported from outside of the EU? Is that what you're claiming?

You do realise that this is not a Greek thing right? (well, obviously you don't. But it's not).

You do realise that he could just have purchased his luxury item that has nothing to do with poverty from within the EU and not payed any tax? (well, obviously not. Well, now you do).

---

Also you example has nothing do to with the reasons Greece is farked up.
 
2013-07-09 01:41:00 PM

mainstreet62: Carousel Beast:  Perhaps they can't afford to live because they, like their government, are too irresponsible with money?

Young men aged 15-24 in Greece have an unemployment rate of almost 62%. For 25-34 year olds, it is 36%. Most young men don't even have a chance to be irresponsible with money, they don't make any.

http://rt.com/news/greece-unemployment-economy-austerity-226/

Perhaps you can stop talking out of your ass at any time, shiatty armchair economist that you are


Why is some kid that doesn't have a job trying buy $80 headphones? I make a good living and mine cost $15. I just don't even......

They're just showing us the way it's going to be when we hit 20 trillion in debt.
 
2013-07-09 01:41:35 PM

dragonchild: mainstreet62: How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Of which maybe 5 Euros goes toward paying back the debt.  If that.  The poorest Greek is an honest Greek.

People make much of Greece's tax evaders, but they evade taxes because the taxes really are that wack.  It's rather baffling that Americans complain about their tax burden and government inefficiency because their media regularly reports on a real-world case of uber-corrupt "tax and spend" cranked up to 11 and have the gall to blame the citizens for the government's mess.


Or the moron in question could have purchased the headphones in Greece, or any other other EU country, and paid no tax.

But hey, it's not his fault.
 
2013-07-09 01:44:55 PM

mainstreet62: jaybeezey: Are suppossed to assume that there are no headphones for sale in Greece before we get outragey?

You're missing the point entirely.

There is a 125% markup being paid directly to the government.


The problem is that you are using a poor example. You're talking about buying an imported item that could likely be replaced with a less expensive version. Let me know when a loaf of bread costs 10euro and 8 of it is tax. That's a problem.
 
2013-07-09 01:46:19 PM

mainstreet62: Carousel Beast: Your example of kids unable to live is a farking luxury purchase???

Oh sure, just conveniently IGNORE THE 125% PRICE MARKUP, you f*cking idiot!

Where is the economic activity Greece needs to recover going to come from if these items are taxed that high?

Think before you post, moron.


Oh dear.

It was an import duty because he was importing from outside the EU.

Their items aren't taxed that high if he had only purchased his stupid headphones from Greece or any other EU country. You know, that EU, which is the worlds largest economy, he could have bought his headphones from there and not be taxed at all.

I gather you didn't understand that he was importing them from the USA, which was the problem. I'd hate to think this was a typical Greek problem, because that would mean that they're all as stupid as the guy in the example.
 
2013-07-09 01:48:41 PM

mainstreet62: jaybeezey: Are suppossed to assume that there are no headphones for sale in Greece before we get outragey?

You're missing the point entirely.

There is a 125% markup being paid directly to the government.


No there isn't. That was the import duty.

The only point I see is some retard importing headphones from the USA without being aware that items purchased outside the EU is subject to import duty.
 
2013-07-09 01:53:07 PM

Big Beef Burrito: Wait, you're trying to tell me that there is some level of taxation above which people will stop paying?


I live in the wrong country to have that argument though, is my point.  There is no level of taxation above zero where Americans won't pretend the government is out to ruin them.

spawn73: Or the moron in question could have purchased the headphones in Greece, or any other other EU country, and paid no tax.


I really don't think that was the point.  I can extrapolate what other derpy things a country slapping a 125% tariff on a consumer good would do, which I think is the purpose of posting an anecdotal example.  You and Carousel Beast are acting like this is the only tax Greece ever charged on anything.

When someone presents and example, the honest thing to do is understand why the example was made and try to explain the flaw in the underlying logic or point out why the example doesn't apply.  You are attacking the example itself, which is the most disingenuous thing you can do to an example short of flying to Europe and giving this Greek kid with overpriced earphones a UFIA.
 
2013-07-09 01:54:41 PM

mainstreet62: Carousel Beast:  Perhaps they can't afford to live because they, like their government, are too irresponsible with money?

Young men aged 15-24 in Greece have an unemployment rate of almost 62%. For 25-34 year olds, it is 36%. Most young men don't even have a chance to be irresponsible with money, they don't make any.

http://rt.com/news/greece-unemployment-economy-austerity-226/

Perhaps you can stop talking out of your ass at any time, shiatty armchair economist that you are


I can also reference actual Eurozone documents.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Unem pl oyment_statistics

May I direct your attention to the section specifically entitled "Youth Unemployment Trends"
 
2013-07-09 02:11:32 PM

dragonchild: spawn73: Or the moron in question could have purchased the headphones in Greece, or any other other EU country, and paid no tax.

I really don't think that was the point.  I can extrapolate what other derpy things a country slapping a 125% tariff on a consumer good would do, which I think is the purpose of posting an anecdotal example.  You and Carousel Beast are acting like this is the only tax Greece ever charged on anything.

When someone presents and example, the honest thing to do is understand why the example was made and try to explain the flaw in the underlying logic or point out why the example doesn't apply.  You are attacking the example itself, which is the most disingenuous thing you can do to an example short of flying to Europe and giving this Greek kid with overpriced earphones a UFIA.


The example doesn't apply because it was an import tax on an electronic good purchased outside the EU. Normal people purchase their electronics in their own country, or at the very least, the EU (which wouldn't be subject to import tax). It's not a problem, and doesn't translate to anything.

FYI the same thing would happen to me in Denmark if I were moronic enough to import headphones, or any other electronic good, from the USA. For all I know it's the same in every EU country.

And yeah, it only applies to electronic goods. He would for example not be able to import food from the USA at all. "OMG my retarded cousin couldn't import food from USA. That's an example of how everyone in Greece is starving!!!!11!"
 
2013-07-09 03:11:46 PM
After further review, I think I would prefer beating my own head against a wall than arguing further.

While I'm sure it'll be taken as a copout and/or admission of fault, the situation in Greece and what my family is going through is too upsetting to bother arguing anymore. I will concede that my emotions may be clouding my judgement, so I apologize for the name calling.

Pretend I wasn't here. Good day to you all.
 
2013-07-09 03:33:08 PM
But remember, slashing government spending and public jobs is always, always, in every situation, in every country, no matter what, guaranteed to boost the economy and erase deficits, because there are never any complicated or extenuating circumstances in international macroeconomics and sovereign government finances can always be adequately explained through simple analogies to balancing a family checkbook.
 
2013-07-09 03:49:03 PM
I love the fact that there are school children in Greece who are literally passing out in class because they do not get enough to eat.  I farking love austerity and capitalism!
 
2013-07-09 03:51:07 PM

mainstreet62: Nemo's Brother: Lost Thought 00: I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.

The Greeks will think back to all of the years they didn't pay taxes and mooched off the EU and refused to work an honest day's work.

This is such an idiotic statement. You clearly have no idea WTF is going on in Greece.

Let me give you an example, and hopefully this will sober you up, along with the rest of the idiots that blame the Greek population instead of the government.

Question: One of my cousins, who lives in Greece, wants to purchase headphones worth 80 Euros, from a company in the US. He wanted to buy them legitimately and have them imported. How much in taxes was he asked to pay by the Greek government?

Is it:

A) 20 Euros
B) 35 Euros
C) Over 100 Euros

Yes, it is C. How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Is that his fault, or the fault of the millions of Greek kids unable to live in Greece because of this austerity program?


And what would he do if no austerity had occurred and no one would lend Greece any more money?  Honestly, the country is screwed either way at this point. Austerity bought it another year or two.

Why should Germans continue to pay for them to live and cheat taxes? Honest question.
 
2013-07-09 03:54:38 PM

mainstreet62: Nemo's Brother: Lost Thought 00: I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.

The Greeks will think back to all of the years they didn't pay taxes and mooched off the EU and refused to work an honest day's work.

This is such an idiotic statement. You clearly have no idea WTF is going on in Greece.

Let me give you an example, and hopefully this will sober you up, along with the rest of the idiots that blame the Greek population instead of the government.

Question: One of my cousins, who lives in Greece, wants to purchase headphones worth 80 Euros, from a company in the US. He wanted to buy them legitimately and have them imported. How much in taxes was he asked to pay by the Greek government?

Is it:

A) 20 Euros
B) 35 Euros
C) Over 100 Euros

Yes, it is C. How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Is that his fault, or the fault of the millions of Greek kids unable to live in Greece because of this austerity program?


You are the King of Derp.  Congrats!
 
2013-07-09 03:56:29 PM

dragonchild: mainstreet62: How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Of which maybe 5 Euros goes toward paying back the debt.  If that.  The poorest Greek is an honest Greek.

People make much of Greece's tax evaders, but they evade taxes because the taxes really are that wack.  It's rather baffling that Americans complain about their tax burden and government inefficiency because their media regularly reports on a real-world case of uber-corrupt "tax and spend" cranked up to 11 and have the gall to blame the citizens for the government's mess.


I remember liberals telling me that taxes do not influence behavior. Now they do?
 
2013-07-09 03:59:30 PM

Nemo's Brother: I remember liberals telling me that taxes do not influence behavior. Now they do?


Living in your black and white world things must be so very simple.  I envy you.
 
2013-07-09 04:01:22 PM

FarkedOver: Nemo's Brother: I remember liberals telling me that taxes do not influence behavior. Now they do?

Living in your black and white world things must be so very simple.  I envy you.


[thatsracist.dwg]
 
2013-07-09 04:17:55 PM

Nemo's Brother: mainstreet62: Nemo's Brother: Lost Thought 00: I can't wait for greece to launch a european wide peoples revolution. Its the only logical step when the euro elite have sentenced them to starvation.

The Greeks will think back to all of the years they didn't pay taxes and mooched off the EU and refused to work an honest day's work.

This is such an idiotic statement. You clearly have no idea WTF is going on in Greece.

Let me give you an example, and hopefully this will sober you up, along with the rest of the idiots that blame the Greek population instead of the government.

Question: One of my cousins, who lives in Greece, wants to purchase headphones worth 80 Euros, from a company in the US. He wanted to buy them legitimately and have them imported. How much in taxes was he asked to pay by the Greek government?

Is it:

A) 20 Euros
B) 35 Euros
C) Over 100 Euros

Yes, it is C. How is a college kid supposed to pay 100 euros in taxes on an item worth 80 Euros?

Is that his fault, or the fault of the millions of Greek kids unable to live in Greece because of this austerity program?

And what would he do if no austerity had occurred and no one would lend Greece any more money?  Honestly, the country is screwed either way at this point. Austerity bought it another year or two.

Why should Germans continue to pay for them to live and cheat taxes? Honest question.


Because they remember what happened because of the treaty of Versailles and the aftermath that happened in Germany.  Something involving a guy named Hitler?  Crap like this Austerity always and I mean always comes back to bite you in the ass.  Those Greece children are going to grow up hating Germans and that is going to create problems down the line, especially with the immigration policies opening up across Europe.
 
2013-07-09 04:34:50 PM

talan123: Because they remember what happened because of the treaty of Versailles and the aftermath that happened in Germany. Something involving a guy named Hitler? Crap like this Austerity always and I mean always comes back to bite you in the ass. Those Greece children are going to grow up hating Germans and that is going to create problems down the line, especially with the immigration policies opening up across Europe.


There already are problems resulting from the austerity.  It's taking the form of ultra nationalism and fascism. Golden Dawn is going to be a problem in Greece for quite some time.  They boast that over half the police force is sympathetic to their cause, which is not a good thing.  Luckily the socialists, communists, anarchists and Antifa  groups are doing whatever they can to disrupt Golden Dawn's activities.
 
2013-07-09 04:39:25 PM
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Golden Dawn?
 
2013-07-09 05:07:49 PM
Show us the way that fails, Europe, so we here in America can avoid it.
 
2013-07-09 05:31:39 PM
talan123:
Because they remember what happened because of the treaty of Versailles and the aftermath that happened in Germany.  Something involving a guy named Hitler?  Crap like this Austerity always and I mean always comes back to bite you in the ass.  Those Greece children are going to grow up hating Germans and that is going to create problems down the line, especially with the immigration policies opening up across Europe.

Opening up? No, there's no opening up. Greeks can move to any EU country they want, which is what everyone with an education is already doing.

I doubt anyone is growing up hating Germany. That would require them to be incredible ignorant about their own history. They'll grow up hating and mistrusting their own politicians, bankers and those people who own a yatch down in the harbour.

Your Versailes treaty mentioning is just trolling.
 
2013-07-09 05:51:25 PM

quantum_csc: It is almost as if all of that austerity is having the opposite of the desired effect... who could have guessed?


Greece is spending more than they were 5 years ago. Quite the austerity.
 
2013-07-09 05:59:03 PM
They just aren't austere ENOUGH! If they will just be MORE AUSTERE, prosperity will just trickle down like a golden rain!
 
2013-07-09 06:16:27 PM

FarkedOver: I love the fact that there are school children in Greece who are literally passing out in class because they do not get enough to eat.  I farking love austerity and capitalism!


Ya, you're gonna need to give a big fat citation on that one.
 
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