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(Daily Mail)   Not News: security humiliates civilian and makes them remove articles of clothes and metallic items. Fark: A disabled military vet in Dress Uniform and medals. Facepalm: He was there to receive another award   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 76
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2013-07-09 08:34:22 AM  
America wanted zero tolerance security because America is scared, and this is one of the inevitable consequences. We've tolerated being presented with the option of having the TSA take nudie pictures of our kids, or having some TSA goon feel them up, for f*cks sake.

Don't b*tch and moan about it just because the guy is a vet.
 
2013-07-09 09:09:08 AM  
Daily Mail. Which means that a member of the 'core' was told that he couldn't bring his bottlecap medals and his swords into a private venue.
 
2013-07-09 09:10:06 AM  
God, you people are insane.
 
2013-07-09 09:10:52 AM  
Nobody has ever seen Day of The Jackal?
 
2013-07-09 09:11:18 AM  
Good thing I wasn't there or I would have gone to jail.
 
2013-07-09 09:14:42 AM  

thatboyoverthere: into a private venue


The state capitol?
 
2013-07-09 09:15:12 AM  

Aarontology

America wanted zero tolerance security because America is scared, and this is one of the inevitable consequences. We've tolerated being presented with the option of having the TSA take nudie pictures of our kids, or having some TSA goon feel them up, for f*cks sake.

Don't b*tch and moan about it just because the guy is a vet.

^ This

Gimli_Gloin

Good thing I wasn't there or I would have gone to jail.

Sure you would, Skippy. I guess we're all lucky they don't have many airports in mommie's basement.
mamemimo.com
 
2013-07-09 09:15:38 AM  
In general I think a majority of TSA agents are okay. It's the few idiots that make all of them look bad. TSA at Logan airport seem to be really professional, but the agents at JFK in New York suck. I never want to fly from that airport again.
 
2013-07-09 09:16:06 AM  
As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing actually traveling in those? (airport) Highly uncomfortable and you know they will buzz the metal detectors. Then again I wouldn't trust the airlines not to lose his uniform bag.  Though I suspect they will let him check at the door.
As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing making him take his uniform off? (capital building)
 
2013-07-09 09:17:35 AM  
A: can we really trust the Daily Mail to give us an accurate representation of what happened?

B: why the fark would you wear clothing covered in metal to the airport? I don't care who you are or what you're doing, that's stupid. Next time just wear something else and change your damn clothing, everybody knows they have metal detectors at airports.
 
2013-07-09 09:18:05 AM  
Pathetic......
 
2013-07-09 09:18:40 AM  

mrlewish: As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing actually traveling in those? (airport) Highly uncomfortable and you know they will buzz the metal detectors. Then again I wouldn't trust the airlines not to lose his uniform bag.  Though I suspect they will let him check at the door.
As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing making him take his uniform off? (capital building)


What's a former Marine? I know an assload of Marines and every single one of them will correct anyone saying former Marine.
 
2013-07-09 09:18:43 AM  

Molavian: God, you people are insane.


Yes, we are.

The left has even started calling people who question the government "treasonous" (during W's term, "dissent was the highest form of patriotism."  No more).  It's a run up to Kristallnacht all over again.
 
2013-07-09 09:19:27 AM  
The majority of domestic terrorists are former military.
 
2013-07-09 09:19:31 AM  
So let me get this straight. He goes into an airport wearing a metal all over himself and he's surprised the TSA searched him thoroughly

Come on, you know he didn't have to wear his Iron-man-esque dress-blues through the farking airport. He wasn't getting his new award in the airport.

Crying "muh vet status" when he gets scrutinized is a bit much.
 
2013-07-09 09:20:00 AM  
I never thought I would take the side of TSA (and I suppose I'm mostly siding against the vet, instead of with the TSA), but:

"They also offer an expedited service, but you must call the agencies Military Severely Injured Joint Service Operations Center prior to traveling.

There is also a 'curb-to-gate' service for injured personnel and well as a pre-check program for military personnel at four airports."


It sounds like he didn't opt for the easy-breezy way to get through security with the minimum rigamarole, and instead just strolled through in his full dress blues.

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

/also, they didn't specify if this was one of the four airports with the curb-to-gate program in place.
 
2013-07-09 09:20:19 AM  
How's that fought for freedom workin' out for ya, soldier?
 
2013-07-09 09:21:00 AM  

KidneyStone: mrlewish: As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing actually traveling in those? (airport) Highly uncomfortable and you know they will buzz the metal detectors. Then again I wouldn't trust the airlines not to lose his uniform bag.  Though I suspect they will let him check at the door.
As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing making him take his uniform off? (capital building)

What's a former Marine? I know an assload of Marines and every single one of them will correct anyone saying former Marine.


Oops. I was thinking ex-Marine.

/although saying former gets a lot of corrections as well
 
2013-07-09 09:22:15 AM  
Wow, we sure love the TSA here on Fark!

This guy was asking for it!
 
2013-07-09 09:22:36 AM  
Isn't this what america wanted after 9/11?
 
2013-07-09 09:24:13 AM  

KidneyStone: mrlewish: As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing actually traveling in those? (airport) Highly uncomfortable and you know they will buzz the metal detectors. Then again I wouldn't trust the airlines not to lose his uniform bag.  Though I suspect they will let him check at the door.
As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing making him take his uniform off? (capital building)

What's a former Marine? I know an assload of Marines and every single one of them will correct anyone saying former Marine.


From what I understand, "former Marine" is an acceptable term, when used without disrespect.

"Ex-Marine" will get your ass kicked.
 
2013-07-09 09:25:00 AM  

GORDON: Molavian: God, you people are insane.

Yes, we are.

The left has even started calling people who question the government "treasonous" (during W's term, "dissent was the highest form of patriotism."  No more).  It's a run up to Kristallnacht all over again.


My crazy meter has gone off the charts. What "left" are you thinking of, that says questioning the government is treasonous? The left I know won't shut up about the NSA and fracking and all sorts of other things.
 
2013-07-09 09:25:17 AM  
I really....really loathe the TSA these days. I don't like the machines so I always opt out. Mostly because it is my passive aggressive way to protest their ridiculousness.

This last time I opted out however they asked me if I had any medical device or something that would prevent me from going through. I said no and they told me then I had to go through the machine because the policies had changed. News to me so I asked to see the policy change in writing. Lots of stammering and talking to a supervisor finally allowed me my pat down. During the pat down the lectured me on wasting their time and how people like me are ruining security check-in procedures. Then they admitted to LYING to people because it is important to go through the machines. Really? Why is it so "important". The conspiracist in me thinks nefarious thoughts while the realist in me knows they were just lazy a-holes. Lying to people though is totally unacceptable.

You can for any reason opt out of those machines and you DON'T have to give them even one gawd damn clue as to why. Luckily I always arrive at the airport with time to spare so even if they make me wait an hour (which the do sometimes just to be dicks) I'm never in danger of missing a flight.
 
2013-07-09 09:27:12 AM  

croesius: KidneyStone: mrlewish: As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing actually traveling in those? (airport) Highly uncomfortable and you know they will buzz the metal detectors. Then again I wouldn't trust the airlines not to lose his uniform bag.  Though I suspect they will let him check at the door.
As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing making him take his uniform off? (capital building)

What's a former Marine? I know an assload of Marines and every single one of them will correct anyone saying former Marine.

From what I understand, "former Marine" is an acceptable term, when used without disrespect.

"Ex-Marine" will get your ass kicked.


Nah, not by any Marines I know. They'll just call you an asshole
 
2013-07-09 09:28:31 AM  

thatboyoverthere: Daily Mail. Which means that a member of the 'core' was told that he couldn't bring his bottlecap medals and his swords into a private venue.


It's not a private venue, it's the state capitol building, which is public property.  Furthermore, he was specifically invited as a Marine veteran and therefore expected to appear in uniform.  It's sure easy for you to sit there at your keyboard and mock this Marine's sacrifice.

Also, am I seriously the only one who read the farking article?  He wasn't wearing his blues through the airport.  Airport TSA tried to make him lift his injured arm (he says he "wasn't bothered" by that incident).  It was the capitol building security that told him to remove his uniform.  I think it would have been fantastic if he had just said "fark it" and gone home without telling his hosts.  Let the asshole security officer explain why the event was ruined.
 
2013-07-09 09:30:25 AM  

Moosecakes: GORDON: Molavian: God, you people are insane.

Yes, we are.

The left has even started calling people who question the government "treasonous" (during W's term, "dissent was the highest form of patriotism."  No more).  It's a run up to Kristallnacht all over again.

My crazy meter has gone off the charts. What "left" are you thinking of, that says questioning the government is treasonous? The left I know won't shut up about the NSA and fracking and all sorts of other things.


He picks the person on the left who said the worst thing and then claims that they speak for all those on the left.
 
2013-07-09 09:31:56 AM  
Terrorists win again. What were you fighting for?
 
2013-07-09 09:34:43 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: thatboyoverthere: Daily Mail. Which means that a member of the 'core' was told that he couldn't bring his bottlecap medals and his swords into a private venue.

It's not a private venue, it's the state capitol building, which is public property.  Furthermore, he was specifically invited as a Marine veteran and therefore expected to appear in uniform.  It's sure easy for you to sit there at your keyboard and mock this Marine's sacrifice.

Also, am I seriously the only one who read the farking article?  He wasn't wearing his blues through the airport.  Airport TSA tried to make him lift his injured arm (he says he "wasn't bothered" by that incident).  It was the capitol building security that told him to remove his uniform.  I think it would have been fantastic if he had just said "fark it" and gone home without telling his hosts.  Let the asshole security officer explain why the event was ruined.


We mock his sacrifice because it was for NOTHING.
 
2013-07-09 09:35:54 AM  
Simple solution: Don't join the military. Just don't do it. Nothing good will ever come of it.
 
2013-07-09 09:41:20 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: thatboyoverthere: Daily Mail. Which means that a member of the 'core' was told that he couldn't bring his bottlecap medals and his swords into a private venue.

It's not a private venue, it's the state capitol building, which is public property.  Furthermore, he was specifically invited as a Marine veteran and therefore expected to appear in uniform.  It's sure easy for you to sit there at your keyboard and mock this Marine's sacrifice.

Also, am I seriously the only one who read the farking article?  He wasn't wearing his blues through the airport.  Airport TSA tried to make him lift his injured arm (he says he "wasn't bothered" by that incident).  It was the capitol building security that told him to remove his uniform.  I think it would have been fantastic if he had just said "fark it" and gone home without telling his hosts.  Let the asshole security officer explain why the event was ruined.


I was commenting on the fact that the Daily Mail has a notorious reputation for embellishing and.or completely making up shiat for a story.  Check out their "Story" on a woman dentist who removed all of her ex-boyfriend's teeth. They later admitted they made it up.
 
2013-07-09 09:44:22 AM  
Sounds like a TSA agent has watched one too many episodes of "Homeland".
 
2013-07-09 09:48:34 AM  
Opt-out early, opt-out often.  If 10% of travelers were not scared lemmings who went along with everything for "safety," then it would put a serious wrench in the apparatus of the security state.  Make them pat you down.  Make those body scanners collect dust.
 
2013-07-09 09:48:44 AM  
well, if these people dressed in decorated marine dress uniforms would just stop blowing up women and children we wouldnt have to do this right?
 
2013-07-09 09:51:10 AM  

Joe Blowme: well, if these people dressed in decorated marine dress uniforms would just stop blowing up women and children we wouldnt have to do this right?



Oh that's a good one. 8/10
 
2013-07-09 09:53:05 AM  
There are many pieces of shiat to eat for breakfast ITT, if you're into that sort of thing.

"bottlecap medals"

"sacrifice for nothing"

Keyboard warriors, you sure showed him!
 
2013-07-09 10:02:27 AM  

thatboyoverthere: Joe Blowme: well, if these people dressed in decorated marine dress uniforms would just stop blowing up women and children we wouldnt have to do this right?


Oh that's a good one. 8/10


Thats right, actually looking into thoses DOING the blowing up of planes and busses would be racist so we must search everyone.... farking retarded policy
 
2013-07-09 10:21:34 AM  
thatboyoverthere:
I was commenting on the fact that the Daily Mail has a notorious reputation for embellishing and.or completely making up shiat for a story.

No, you weren't.  You were talking smack about Marines from the safety of your keyboard.
 
2013-07-09 10:22:45 AM  
I hope the outrage in the article is from the paper not from the captain. If he is the one making a stink about this he needs to get some perspective. We, and I mean other military, sure as hell inconvenienced some innocent people because we were just doing our job.
 
2013-07-09 10:23:58 AM  

MrJesus: "sacrifice for nothing"


Yeah, you're right. He didn't sacrifice for nothing. He sacrificed so he could be strip-searched for no good reason! The nerve of these keyboard warriors!
 
2013-07-09 10:24:33 AM  
What a Marine terrorist bedecked with medals may looks like:

www.vaguespace.net
 
2013-07-09 10:34:47 AM  

thurstonxhowell: MrJesus: "sacrifice for nothing"

Yeah, you're right. He didn't sacrifice for nothing. He sacrificed so he could be strip-searched for no good reason! The nerve of these keyboard warriors!


Shut your troll hole, newb.
 
2013-07-09 10:43:35 AM  
Boy, that sounds familiar. Can't quite place my finger on that one... I bet if we could remember history this would surely parallel something.

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2013-07-09 10:49:56 AM  
Lee Harvey Oswald - USMC
Timothy McVeigh - US Army, Gulf War Vet, Bronze Star
Terry Nichols - US Army
Michael Fortier - US Army
Nidal Malik Hasan - US Army
Clayton J. Lonetree - USMC
Morris Cohen - US Army
John Anthony Walker, Jr. - USN
David Sheldon Boone - US Army
Ronald William Pelton - USAF
James W. Hall, III - US Army
  
All honorably discharged, (except Nichols, who was a hardship discharge). Military Service does not presume your innocence. All Americans are subject to scrutiny in Homeland, and rolling up in your uniform with your medals and awards and ribbons and What Not do not exempt you from being search, weighed, measured, annotated, documented, calibrated, screened, homogenized, and X-rayed by the TSA, NSA, CIA, FBI, DIA, DHS, DEA, NRO, AFISRA, INSCOM, MCIA, ONI, OICI, TFI, INR, NASA, and the USDA.

Get your shiat together, Homelanders, and quit screwing around. There's a war on. A war on Terror. And Poverty and Drugs. Three wars. We're fighting a three-front war, with an Escalated Police Action on the Mexican Border. And don't forget that Korean thing is still just a "Cease Fire", there's no treaty or armistice, and it could light up at any moment.

Get your shiat together.

GYST.
 
2013-07-09 11:01:49 AM  
My sibling recently got a job on a military base. On his first day going up to post, he was stopped by a guard who told him that his beard made him look just like Snowden, and that he should remove it.

I say the guard is jealous that he can't grow beards whenever he feels like it.

/as if Snowden would be driving around in the open
//if he were stupid enough to come back, that is
 
2013-07-09 11:06:04 AM  

mrlewish: As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing actually traveling in those? (airport) Highly uncomfortable and you know they will buzz the metal detectors. Then again I wouldn't trust the airlines not to lose his uniform bag.  Though I suspect they will let him check at the door.
As a former Marine I can ask. WTF are you doing making him take his uniform off? (capital building)


What's this "former Marine" of which you speak?
 
2013-07-09 11:06:49 AM  

Bslim: We mock his sacrifice because it was for NOTHING.


His sacrifice was service in a volunteer military that is entirely subordinate to our democratically elected government.

The tragedy was the misuse of that military, but responsibility for that misuse lies with our politicians.  This is a cornerstone of what makes our country great.  If you want to mock anything, mock the people who sent him to Iraq, not the fact that he was willing to put his life on the line in service to his country.
 
2013-07-09 11:08:52 AM  
Maybe he was in uniform because he was traveling, officially for his unit, and was required to be in uniform because it was military travel.
 
2013-07-09 11:10:42 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Also, am I seriously the only one who read the farking article?  He wasn't wearing his blues through the airport.  Airport TSA tried to make him lift his injured arm (he says he "wasn't bothered" by that incident).  It was the capitol building security that told him to remove his uniform.  I think it would have been fantastic if he had just said "fark it" and gone home without telling his hosts.  Let the asshole security officer explain why the event was ruined.


Actually, the article includes a photo of Cpl. Kemnitz in his dress uniform being frisked by a TSO.

I haven't been to the Capitol in a while, but I'm pretty sure that security is still provided by CHP Officers, not the TSA.
 
2013-07-09 11:20:59 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Get your shiat together, Homelanders, and quit screwing around. There's a war on. A war on Terror. And Poverty and Drugs. Three wars. We're fighting a three-front war, with an Escalated Police Action on the Mexican Border.


Four if you count the unfolding "War on Guns."
 
2013-07-09 11:26:45 AM  

DarkVader: The majority of domestic terrorists are former military.


No, they're Democrats.
 
2013-07-09 11:32:44 AM  

Fark It: AngryJailhouseFistfark: Get your shiat together, Homelanders, and quit screwing around. There's a war on. A war on Terror. And Poverty and Drugs. Three wars. We're fighting a three-front war, with an Escalated Police Action on the Mexican Border.

Four if you count the unfolding "War on Guns."


FOUR! Four wars and a Police Action and a Cease Fire that could erupt at any moment.

GYST.
 
2013-07-09 11:33:34 AM  

Aarontology: America wanted zero tolerance security because America is scared, and this is one of the inevitable consequences. We've tolerated being presented with the option of having the TSA take nudie pictures of our kids, or having some TSA goon feel them up, for f*cks sake.

Don't b*tch and moan about it just because the guy is a vet.


Came here for this, leaving happy.

As for those of you offended that a vet would be treated just like anyone else - a possible threat - remember that some of the nastier domestic terrorists, such as Lee Harvey Oswald and Timothy McVeigh, were also vets. Our ridiculous security theater recognizes that vets are Americans, too, and all Americans are considered possible threats. We're supposed to be afraid of  everybody, and so any action is justified in our need for "zero tolerance". Otherwise, why would we smile & nod when the TSA gropes us, or feel ambivalence when our government ignores the Constitution and spies on us, or shrug when obvious threats, like protestors, are stomped by over-zealous cops in surplus military gear?

Yes, he's been inconvenienced, harassed, and treated like dirt - but, that's to be expected. He's an American, in America. It's the new reality of fear, and he's not special.
 
2013-07-09 11:43:51 AM  
Nathan Kemnitz, Cpl, USMC.

Or should I say, Chemnitz? Hmmm? Just what do we know about this Marine's namesake? Let's see:

During World War II, Chemnitz included factories that produced military hardware and a Flossenbürg forced labour subcamp (500 female inmates) for Astra-Werke AG. The oil refinery was a target for bombers during the Oil Campaign of World War II, and Operation Thunderclap attacks included the following raids:


14/15 February 1945: The first major raid on Chemnitz used 717 RAF bombers, but due to cloud cover most bombs fell over open countryside.

2/3-5 March: USAAF bombers attacked the marshaling yards.
5 March: 760 RAF bombers attacked.

The headquarters of the auto manufacturer Auto Union were also based in Chemnitz since 1932 and its buildings were also badly damaged. At the end of the war, the company's executives fled and relocated the company in Ingolstadt, Bavaria-where it evolved into the modern day Audi company of today.

The World War II bombings left most of the city in ruins,[citation needed] and post-war, the East German reconstruction included large low rise (and later high-rise plattenbau) housing. Some tourist sites were reconstructed during the DDR era and after German reunification.
From 10 May 1953 to 21 June 1990, Chemnitz was named Karl-Marx-Stadt (English: Karl Marx City).

So, Karl-Marx-Stadt? Audi? Bombing and destruction of the ancient city? Nearly 40 years of occupation and control by the Stasi? Manchurian Candidate? More like the Saxon Candidate, but the end result is the same: Total Control of Homeland by a Foreign Power!

Vigilance, people. Vigilance and research. Do your homework. Those chumps at TSA and the Marine Core Recruiting Office might have been fooled by his slick re-spelling of his name, but now we have a better idea of what he's up to. Keep an eye on this one, and GET YOUR shiat TOGETHER, Homeland.

...or someone else will.
 
2013-07-09 11:51:13 AM  
In their defense, anybody with that many medals has got to be a crazy sumbiatch and DANGEROUS. And the TSA is not that bright. So there you have it, a perfect storm.
 
2013-07-09 11:55:35 AM  

Moosecakes: A: can we really trust the Daily Mail to give us an accurate representation of what happened?



Q: Why do we need to video record any contact with the police or other law enforcement officers?
 
2013-07-09 12:00:06 PM  
Generally I feel that TSA goes too far in how they search people.  But I am not outraged by this.  The man went through a metal detector and it went off due to all the metal the man was wearing.  That always entails a more intensive search, even before 911.

If you allow every wearing a military uniform to bypass security, than what is stopping a terrorist from obtaining a military uniform and then carrying dangerous contraband onto the plane?
 
2013-07-09 12:07:29 PM  
TSA MUST DIE!

And you chickenchits need to grow up. YOU are responsible for YOUR security. There is no way pizza delivery boys and imbeciles are gonna protect you from anything.
Letting politicians advance fascist agendas because of your inability to take responsibility/control is pathetic.
 
2013-07-09 12:10:14 PM  

JeffreyScott: Generally I feel that TSA goes too far in how they search people.  But I am not outraged by this.  The man went through a metal detector and it went off due to all the metal the man was wearing.  That always entails a more intensive search, even before 911.

If you allow every wearing a military uniform to bypass security, than what is stopping a terrorist from obtaining a military uniform and then carrying dangerous contraband onto the plane?


The only place he had trouble with was the capitol building security, where he was an invited guest of honor and was expected to be in uniform.  By his own admission, the TSA screening was not an issue.
 
2013-07-09 12:24:16 PM  

FormlessOne: Aarontology: America wanted zero tolerance security because America is scared, and this is one of the inevitable consequences. We've tolerated being presented with the option of having the TSA take nudie pictures of our kids, or having some TSA goon feel them up, for f*cks sake.

Don't b*tch and moan about it just because the guy is a vet.

Came here for this, leaving happy.

As for those of you offended that a vet would be treated just like anyone else - a possible threat - remember that some of the nastier domestic terrorists, such as Lee Harvey Oswald and Timothy McVeigh, were also vets. Our ridiculous security theater recognizes that vets are Americans, too, and all Americans are considered possible threats. We're supposed to be afraid of  everybody, and so any action is justified in our need for "zero tolerance". Otherwise, why would we smile & nod when the TSA gropes us, or feel ambivalence when our government ignores the Constitution and spies on us, or shrug when obvious threats, like protestors, are stomped by over-zealous cops in surplus military gear?

Yes, he's been inconvenienced, harassed, and treated like dirt - but, that's to be expected. He's an American, in America. It's the new reality of fear, and he's not special.


Plus, the moment policy changes to say "People in military uniforms will be exempt from searches" is the moment someone who wants to blow up a plane goes out and buys a facsimile in order to bypass security. It's like having a giant sign in your front lawn that says "This house is protected by a security system, except for the second window on the north side"

You'd also probably end up with a bunch of people donning a uniform just to bypass security because they just don't want to deal with it.
 
2013-07-09 12:25:25 PM  

GORDON: Molavian: God, you people are insane.

Yes, we are.

The left has even started calling people who question the government "treasonous" (during W's term, "dissent was the highest form of patriotism."  No more).  It's a run up to Kristallnacht all over again.


6/10. I liked it. No reference to Obama, though.

DarkVader: The majority of domestic terrorists are former military.


*swish* ooooo you're good.
 
2013-07-09 12:34:08 PM  
That TSA screener is not fit to used as toilet paper on  Cpl. Nathan Kemnitz's  ass.
 
2013-07-09 12:45:05 PM  
Ow! My Balls!
 
2013-07-09 01:11:12 PM  

GORDON: Molavian: God, you people are insane.

Yes, we are.

The left has even started calling people who question the government "treasonous" (during W's term, "dissent was the highest form of patriotism."  No more).  It's a run up to Kristallnacht all over again.


Did you just Godwin the damn thread? I think you did. Ass.
 
2013-07-09 01:11:13 PM  

Aarontology: Plus, the moment policy changes to say "People in military uniforms will be exempt from searches" is the moment someone who wants to blow up a plane goes out and buys a facsimile in order to bypass security. It's like having a giant sign in your front lawn that says "This house is protected by a security system, except for the second window on the north side"


LMAO. Yes, exactly that. Exempting anyone from security procedures will point out exactly where the hole is, and that hole *will* be exploited. Make it a policy not to search military? Prepare for a military bomber. Make it a policy not to search little old white ladies? You better believe that you'll see an exploding little old white lady before the policy changes again. No, really. Would a group or an individual who thinks it's perfectly rational to murder innocent people draw the line at putting on a costume or some drag? Would someone who thinks it's a fine thing to kill themselves in the process balk at making themselves crippled first if that's what got them through the door?

... assuming that the security procedures actually protect from actual threats, that is. If the above isn't true or doesn't matter, then the entire security exercise doesn't matter. Screen everyone or no one.
 
2013-07-09 01:41:08 PM  
Meanwhile the 4th amendment is still gathering mold on the ground outside the window it was thrown through a few decades back.

/which is profoundly ironic in this situation
 
2013-07-09 01:43:29 PM  
Don't travel in dress uniform and this shiat won't happen.

CSB:
Heading to Iraq on chartered flight of all military. We were all carrying our weapons. I hand the guy my rifle, step through the metal detector and get my rifle back just in time to see an agent going through my bag. He pulls out my nail clippers and informs me I can't have them because of the 1 inch file on it. Apparently I might use it to take down the plane.
 
2013-07-09 01:53:14 PM  

Aarontology: America wanted zero tolerance security because America is scared, and this is one of the inevitable consequences. We've tolerated being presented with the option of having the TSA take nudie pictures of our kids, or having some TSA goon feel them up, for f*cks sake.

Don't b*tch and moan about it just because the guy is a vet.


Except it's not zero tolerance security because you can bet members of Congress don't have to go through the security checks.  We need to remove their special priviledges so they can experience the joys of airport security. Maybe then we'll see some sensible corrections implemented.
 
2013-07-09 02:13:11 PM  

grimnir: Would a group or an individual who thinks it's perfectly rational to murder innocent people draw the line at putting on a costume or some drag? Would someone who thinks it's a fine thing to kill themselves in the process balk at making themselves crippled first if that's what got them through the door?


I got into a debate with someone who argued exactly that. Except it wasn't even actually crippling themselves. They said they didn't think someone would fake needing a wheelchair or turning the chair into a big pipe bomb.

OgreMagi: Except it's not zero tolerance security because you can bet members of Congress don't have to go through the security checks. We need to remove their special priviledges so they can experience the joys of airport security. Maybe then we'll see some sensible corrections implemented.


Problem is the people who can remove the special privileges are the people giving themselves the special privileges. It's why the air traffic control aspect of the sequester got fixed pretty quickly.
 
2013-07-09 02:18:26 PM  
Still no TSA tag? Whats Homeland Insecurity got on you.
 
2013-07-09 02:25:07 PM  
He's cute.
 
2013-07-09 02:40:46 PM  

Aarontology: OgreMagi: Except it's not zero tolerance security because you can bet members of Congress don't have to go through the security checks. We need to remove their special priviledges so they can experience the joys of airport security. Maybe then we'll see some sensible corrections implemented.

Problem is the people who can remove the special privileges are the people giving themselves the special privileges. It's why the air traffic control aspect of the sequester got fixed pretty quickly.


I know.  The only real fix, and it will be impossible to implemented, is a Constitutional Amendment that bans Congressional exemptions.  Until they have to put up with the same laws as us dirty peasants, they are free to impose anything they wish without consequences.
 
2013-07-09 03:03:11 PM  

OgreMagi: Aarontology: OgreMagi: Except it's not zero tolerance security because you can bet members of Congress don't have to go through the security checks. We need to remove their special priviledges so they can experience the joys of airport security. Maybe then we'll see some sensible corrections implemented.

Problem is the people who can remove the special privileges are the people giving themselves the special privileges. It's why the air traffic control aspect of the sequester got fixed pretty quickly.

I know.  The only real fix, and it will be impossible to implemented, is a Constitutional Amendment that bans Congressional exemptions.  Until they have to put up with the same laws as us dirty peasants, they are free to impose anything they wish without consequences.


Yea, that will happen.
Maybe somewhere,,,
Not here in the Princedom of America, where any politician, richy or celebrated can be a STAR..
It's filled with Stars!
 
2013-07-09 03:36:39 PM  
After reading TFA I don't know who to hate more - the various performers of 'security theater' or the Daily Fail for such a poorly written farking article.  One would think the English were good at writing in English, wouldn't one?  I'm convinced there are no actual writers working at the Fail (save Mr. Kay), there are only people who hold microphones up to the radio and tv for the voice recognition software to capture and send to transcription.  No human brain cells needed.
 
Xai
2013-07-10 01:08:43 PM  
Freedom?
 
2013-07-10 01:45:07 PM  
I once had a similar experience, only it was my duty to wear my dress uniform because I was escorting the body of my friend to his funeral half a country away. The assclowns at OKC made me strip down to my pants and t-shirt in front of everyone, after I had already been allowed on the tarmac to witness the casket being loaded onto the plane.
 
2013-07-10 10:10:21 PM  
The TSA would not let Medal of Honor recipient, WWII Ace Pilot war hero Joe Foss board a plane at Sky Harbor airport, to give a speech to West Point cadets, because his Medal of Honor had "sharp points".

A LOT of people wanted those TSA-holes to know what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day.
 
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