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(Huffington Post)   In today's episode of "...because Florida," the state of Florida has passed a law that is worded in such a way that banned all computers and smartphones in the state. Subby hears black helicopters hovering over his house   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 113
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2013-07-08 04:28:14 PM
No they didn't. The FDLE and AG Bondi clarified exactly what enforcement actions will be taken. As usual Huffington Post is full of crap.
 
2013-07-08 04:37:46 PM

feckingmorons: No they didn't. The FDLE and AG Bondi clarified exactly what enforcement actions will be taken. As usual Huffington Post is full of crap.


Clarifying enforcement actions doesn't have anything to do with what the law actually covers, nor does it prevent prosecution under the law.
 
2013-07-08 04:44:54 PM
The joke goes like this: "We put lawyers into public office because they understand what laws mean."
 
2013-07-08 04:44:57 PM
And why did they ban Internet cafe's in the first place? Cable lobby?
 
2013-07-08 04:45:37 PM
It happens when you buy your legislation off-the-rack from ALEC.
 
2013-07-08 04:46:46 PM

impaler: And why did they ban Internet cafe's in the first place? Cable lobby?


If you read the article, one of the Internet cafes was supplying connectivity to migrant workers, so obviously it was to cut down on illegals hogging bandwidth from Real Americans.
 
2013-07-08 04:47:01 PM
Yeah. Floriduh strikes again.
 
2013-07-08 04:47:05 PM
Kyosuke * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-07-08 04:37:46 PM feckingmorons: No they didn't. The FDLE and AG Bondi clarified exactly what enforcement actions will be taken. As usual Huffington Post is full of crap.

Clarifying enforcement actions doesn't have anything to do with what the law actually covers, nor does it prevent prosecution under the law.
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Just because they don't INTEND to enforce it like that doesn't mean it can't be prosecuted via lawsuit nor does it mean they won't in the future or in some random case.

If they didn't intend for it to be like that, they should farkin change it. Otherwise, bad things CAN happen.
 
2013-07-08 04:47:07 PM

feckingmorons: No they didn't. The FDLE and AG Bondi clarified exactly what enforcement actions will be taken. As usual Huffington Post is full of crap.


Don't be foolish.  The Admins vet every story for accuracy before green lighting them in order to maintain the high standards Fark is renowned for.
 
2013-07-08 04:47:28 PM

Kyosuke: feckingmorons: No they didn't. The FDLE and AG Bondi clarified exactly what enforcement actions will be taken. As usual Huffington Post is full of crap.

Clarifying enforcement actions doesn't have anything to do with what the law actually covers, nor does it prevent prosecution under the law.


It's not like a patriot would ever act in such a way as to take advantage of vagueness in order to overreach into areas not intended by the original law!
 
2013-07-08 04:47:33 PM

Kyosuke: feckingmorons: full of crap.

Clarifying enforcement actions doesn't have anything to do with what the law actually covers, nor does it prevent prosecution under the law.


Right.  Also, the law was intended to serve the interests of <pick one or more>:
( ) the brave public servants who enforce the laws and try to keep us all safe
( ) the surveillance state, because it is more difficult to determine who is using a device in an Internet cafe

/is Fedex/Kinko's an Internet café?
 
2013-07-08 04:48:08 PM
Internet café? So people are gonna sit around while I take "whack it" breaks while working online?


/break time
 
2013-07-08 04:48:10 PM
Florida should be downgraded to a commonwealth.
 
2013-07-08 04:48:49 PM
Begun, the Butlerian Jihad has

/got my copy of the Orange Catholic bible, how about YOU Brother?

//apparently the internet cafe ban had to do witht he discovery that most of the things in the state called internet cafes were actually illegal casinos....
 
2013-07-08 04:48:50 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Kyosuke: feckingmorons: full of crap.

Clarifying enforcement actions doesn't have anything to do with what the law actually covers, nor does it prevent prosecution under the law.

Right.  Also, the law was intended to serve the interests of <pick one or more>:
( ) the brave public servants who enforce the laws and try to keep us all safe
( ) the surveillance state, because it is more difficult to determine who is using a device in an Internet cafe

/is Fedex/Kinko's an Internet café?


What about the library?
 
2013-07-08 04:50:01 PM
I would love to be surprised by this.  But I'm not in the slightest.
 
2013-07-08 04:50:04 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's not like a patriot would ever act in such a way as to take advantage of vagueness in order to overreach into areas not intended by the original law!


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/though I think the 'overreach' was intended for all but PR purposes
 
2013-07-08 04:50:14 PM

impaler: And why did they ban Internet cafe's in the first place? Cable lobby?


"Internet Cafe" is often used as a legitimized cover for a gambling house.

/Of course, with the internet being what it is, any networked machine can become a gambling machine.
/Thus they worded the law to cover that by banning networked computers.
/Therefore they now look like idiots.
 
2013-07-08 04:50:16 PM
When Mesa, AZ first passed their public smoking ban, they accidentally worded it so that the only way anyone could smoke in city limits was in their car with the windows up. They managed to fix it rather quickly, but it was funny.
 
2013-07-08 04:51:47 PM
*scans headline*

*closes eyes*


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-08 04:51:58 PM
I think they also outlawed playing cards and dice.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
 
2013-07-08 04:52:13 PM

impaler: And why did they ban Internet cafe's in the first place? Cable lobby?


They were online gambling parlors, not just Internet access points
 
2013-07-08 04:52:21 PM

feckingmorons: No they didn't. The FDLE and AG Bondi clarified exactly what enforcement actions will be taken. As usual Huffington Post is full of crap.


The only thing that could possibly be worse than a poorly-thought-out and badly written law hastily passed to curry political favor is a poorly-thought-out and badly written law hastily passed and then NOT ENFORCED.

I mean, seriously. You don't see the problem here?

This is not BETTER than what HuffPo suggests, this is actually WORSE.
 
2013-07-08 04:52:39 PM
I'd still like a conservative to explain to me how being free market and small government can be reconcilled with banning free market activities
 
2013-07-08 04:52:54 PM
¿Qué es un bitcoin
 
2013-07-08 04:53:47 PM

Magorn: //apparently the internet cafe ban had to do witht he discovery that most of the things in the state called internet cafes were actually illegal casinos....


They were a newer equivalent of retirees playing bingo.  West Palm is pissed.
 
2013-07-08 04:54:41 PM

Mikey1969: When Mesa, AZ first passed their public smoking ban, they accidentally worded it so that the only way anyone could smoke in city limits was in their car with the windows up. They managed to fix it rather quickly, but it was funny.


There ought to be a requirement for elected officials above a certain grade with lawmaking power to have to take a couple of classes in actual law before they get into office... It's kind of amazing what they allow to slip through the cracks. Not saying I want lawyers running the country (anymore than they already do), but... they'll let anyone do this provided they're popular enough, instead of educated enough.
 
2013-07-08 04:55:25 PM

StrikitRich: impaler: And why did they ban Internet cafe's in the first place? Cable lobby?

They were online gambling parlors, not just Internet access points


Not all of them. Not even most of them. And those that were gambling were already illegal.
 
2013-07-08 04:56:07 PM
Actually, I for one, am in favor of this law, but only because it is FLORIDA.  "The ban defines illegal slot machines as any "system or network of devices" that may be used in a game of chance." This should mean not only computers, but routers and all methods to communicate that could possibly be used for gambling are outlawed. Therefore phones, talking, radio, telegraph, and even US Mail should be illegal in the state of Florida.  I am so sick of hearing about how messed up that state is, and, by banning all forms of communication, solves this issue for the millions of Americans.
 
2013-07-08 04:56:13 PM
Well, of course they did. Smartphones and computers can be used to modem into the Inter Net and look up information on plate tectonics and heliocentrism.
 
2013-07-08 04:56:53 PM
The banned Internet Cafes?  WTF?  How can that even be legal?
 
2013-07-08 04:57:22 PM

ladyfortuna: 4tehsnowflakes: Kyosuke: feckingmorons: full of crap.

/is Fedex/Kinko's an Internet café?

What about the library?


It's covered under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, milady.  Up for re-authorization in two years, gee, at least there's a sunset provision.  I bet libraries don't spring up and disappear as quickly as the kinds of businesses the state was hoping to crush with this law.  Starting with those that don't require patrons to leave a record of positive identification tied to their computer usage.
 
2013-07-08 04:57:39 PM

StrikitRich: impaler: And why did they ban Internet cafe's in the first place? Cable lobby?

They were online gambling parlors, not just Internet access points


So the way to crack down on that is to pass a law that aims to make any sort of internet cafe illegal?  Then failing at writing that law so any networked computer is illegal?
 
2013-07-08 04:57:59 PM

Warlordtrooper: I'd still like a conservative to explain to me how being free market and small government can be reconcilled with banning free market activities


Conservatives only care about free markets when they help the businesses that contribute to their election campaigns.
 
2013-07-08 04:57:59 PM
meanwhile taxed casinos, state lotteries etcetera are alive and feeling fine.
 
2013-07-08 04:59:11 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Kyosuke: feckingmorons: No they didn't. The FDLE and AG Bondi clarified exactly what enforcement actions will be taken. As usual Huffington Post is full of crap.

Clarifying enforcement actions doesn't have anything to do with what the law actually covers, nor does it prevent prosecution under the law.

It's not like a patriot would ever act in such a way as to take advantage of vagueness in order to overreach into areas not intended by the original law!


Yep! The only thing the PATRIOT Act has ever done is go after the eeeeebil turrists.  Not for drug cartels, and certainly not as an excuse to spy on its own citizens!
 
2013-07-08 04:59:35 PM

feckingmorons: No they didn't. The FDLE and AG Bondi clarified exactly what enforcement actions will be taken. As usual Huffington Post is full of crap.


I know you're a troll account and all but...  If they pass a law that it's legal for state troopers to violently rape anyone who uses the handle "feckingmorons" on the internet but they promise that troopers will ask for your consent before doing anything, would you be fine with it?

Or would you demand that this promise be put into writing / into the statute?
 
2013-07-08 05:00:36 PM

ten foiled hats: Magorn: //apparently the internet cafe ban had to do witht he discovery that most of the things in the state called internet cafes were actually illegal casinos....

They were a newer equivalent of retirees playing bingo.  West Palm is pissed.


Most of the ones around here are called "arcades."  I have to keep disappointing my kids every time we drive past one.  "Hey Dad, let's go the that arcade!"
 
2013-07-08 05:03:08 PM
http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/0155/BillText/er/PDF

Page 7, starting on line 179.

Their definition of machines that fall under the control of the bill is so generically worded that even an ATM could be considered covered by the law.
 
2013-07-08 05:04:49 PM

Warlordtrooper: I'd still like a conservative to explain to me how being free market and small government can be reconcilled with banning free market activities


As a fiscal conservative it can't........
 
2013-07-08 05:05:14 PM
In April Florida Governor Rick Scott approved a ban on slot machines and Internet cafes after a charity tied to Lt. Governor Jennifer Carroll was shut down on suspicion of being an Internet gambling front -- forcing Carroll, who had consulted with the charity, to resign.

Laws drafted as knee-jerk reactions can only result in good things.
 
2013-07-08 05:07:00 PM

KrispyKritter: meanwhile taxed casinos, state lotteries etcetera are alive and feeling fine.


Came here to agree with this.  Stand in line to pay for petrol or whatever in a Florida convenience store, and you may as well be waiting for a table in Vegas.
 
2013-07-08 05:07:14 PM

Magorn: Begun, the Butlerian Jihad has

/got my copy of the Orange Catholic bible, how about YOU Brother?

//apparently the internet cafe ban had to do witht he discovery that most of the things in the state called internet cafes were actually illegal casinos....


So, no one takes advantage of poorly written laws then?
 
2013-07-08 05:10:39 PM
While the complaint is correct, it fails to address the section of code that prohibits merely owning a computer.
 
2013-07-08 05:12:06 PM
Too poor to access the Internet in Florida except through an Internet cafe?  LOL, not even that anymore!  Fark poor people!

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-08 05:13:06 PM
Unintended consequences from laws that only plan to enforce selectively? You don't say?
 
2013-07-08 05:15:49 PM

dhandler: http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/0155/BillText/er/PDF

Page 7, starting on line 179.

Their definition of machines that fall under the control of the bill is so generically worded that even an ATM could be considered covered by the law.


The question there would be whether (i) selecting "withdraw cash" is an exercise of skill; and (ii) whether the bit about unpredictable outcomes limits the exercise of skill.  Typically, putting in your account code and requesting $20 from the ATM predictably results in delivery of $20.  Your account balance may differ.

I'd instead point to things like, say, legal work on contingency such as filing a complaint against this bill: the lawyer has activated a computer and, through the application of skill, may become entitled to receive money, although the outcome is unpredictable.
 
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2013-07-08 05:18:21 PM

dhandler: http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/0155/BillText/er/PDF

Page 7, starting on line 179.

Their definition of machines that fall under the control of the bill is so generically worded that even an ATM could be considered covered by the law.


A certain argument could be made for voting machines as well....

/low hanging chad
 
2013-07-08 05:20:13 PM

Theaetetus: The question there would be whether (i) selecting "withdraw cash" is an exercise of skill; and (ii) whether the bit about unpredictable outcomes limits the exercise of skill. Typically, putting in your account code and requesting $20 from the ATM predictably results in delivery of $20. Your account balance may differ.


When I was in College and broke using the ATM was am exercise in chance.

/Do I have $20 in my account yup Woohoo I'm going to $1 pitcher night.
 
2013-07-08 05:20:49 PM

ladyfortuna: There ought to be a requirement for elected officials above a certain grade with lawmaking power to have to take a couple of classes in actual law before they get into office...


I've been saying this for awhile now... Every term, they should have to take a 6 month course on lawmaking, whether it's their first term or their tenth. Each time, they just take the next level. I love that this country is based on the everyman being able to run for office, but it gets a little ridiculous at times.
 
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