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(Opposing Views)   Anti-gay group tells California county clerks to disobey U.S. Supreme Court and not marry gay people   (opposingviews.com) divider line 252
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2013-07-08 03:41:48 PM
After consulting with principled, constitutional attorneys and doing my own study, it is clear that Proposition 8 is still the law, still enforceable and that handing out homosexual "marriage" licenses is illegal and unconstitutional.

Yeah "Your own study" is totally more valid than a Supreme Court decision. You try that.
 
2013-07-08 04:03:56 PM
Shocking.
 
2013-07-08 04:07:36 PM
I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.
 
2013-07-08 04:13:29 PM
After doing my own study, I can say with some degree of confidence that this guy is a douchebag.
 
2013-07-08 04:13:30 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.


It will look exactly like this:

media.npr.org
 
2013-07-08 04:14:56 PM
Doesn't matter.  In California, as long as the license is not filed under seal, you can get a licence in one county and get married in another.  So as long as one County Clerk follows the law, there isn't an issue.

i848.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-08 04:17:02 PM

jake_lex: thismomentinblackhistory: I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.

It will look exactly like this:

[media.npr.org image 462x561]


blackpast.org
 
2013-07-08 04:33:46 PM

what_now: After consulting with principled, constitutional attorneys and doing my own study, it is clear that Proposition 8 is still the law, still enforceable and that handing out homosexual "marriage" licenses is illegal and unconstitutional.

Yeah "Your own study" is totally more valid than a Supreme Court decision. You try that.


static.someecards.com
 
2013-07-08 04:43:27 PM
File suit, Thomasson

/let's see how that works out
 
2013-07-08 04:46:00 PM
Riiiiight.  Like I'm going to gay marry a county clerk.  NO THANK YOU.  I have standards.
 
2013-07-08 04:48:26 PM

vernonFL: jake_lex: thismomentinblackhistory: I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.

It will look exactly like this:

[media.npr.org image 462x561]

[blackpast.org image 653x584]


I wonder who that guy is. What became of him? Was he an unrepentant racist till the day he died?
 
2013-07-08 05:03:53 PM

propasaurus: vernonFL: jake_lex: thismomentinblackhistory: I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.

It will look exactly like this:

[media.npr.org image 462x561]

[blackpast.org image 653x584]

I wonder who that guy is. What became of him? Was he an unrepentant racist till the day he died?


I think he went on to multiple terms as president of NAMBLA
 
2013-07-08 05:09:46 PM

propasaurus: vernonFL: jake_lex: thismomentinblackhistory: I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.

It will look exactly like this:

[media.npr.org image 462x561]

[blackpast.org image 653x584]

I wonder who that guy is. What became of him? Was he an unrepentant racist till the day he died?


He was in Falling Down.
 
2013-07-08 05:12:49 PM

propasaurus: vernonFL: jake_lex: thismomentinblackhistory: I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.

It will look exactly like this:

[media.npr.org image 462x561]

[blackpast.org image 653x584]

I wonder who that guy is. What became of him? Was he an unrepentant racist till the day he died?


Isn't it George Will?
 
2013-07-08 05:28:36 PM
Dear god... feathers everywhere.  That poor, poor chicken.
 
2013-07-08 05:35:49 PM
That's pretty gay of them to do.

/ Please don't hurt me
 
2013-07-08 05:37:15 PM

propasaurus: vernonFL: jake_lex: thismomentinblackhistory: I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.

It will look exactly like this:

[media.npr.org image 462x561]

[blackpast.org image 653x584]

I wonder who that guy is. What became of him? Was he an unrepentant racist till the day he died?


I don't know but I bet he had one of these.

freakoutnation.com
 
2013-07-08 05:37:26 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: File suit, Thomasson

/let's see how that works out


I think his plan is that he thinks that a county clerk would have standing to sue that they, themselves, would not have.
 
2013-07-08 05:37:33 PM
Good luck with that.
 
2013-07-08 05:39:22 PM
After consulting with principled, constitutional attorneys and doing my own study, it is clear that Proposition 8 is still the law, still enforceable and that handing out homosexual "marriage" licenses is illegal and unconstitutional.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2013-07-08 05:39:36 PM
Anti-gay group can go to Hell.
 
2013-07-08 05:40:01 PM
In other news:
There's going to be some open positions for county clerks in Cali as the more conservative ones get fired.
 
2013-07-08 05:41:15 PM
ya'll do realize the the Supremes did not legalize gay marriage in Ca. or anywhere else, right?  They said it is a matter for the states and that the persons defending Prop 8 lacked standing to defend the California initiative.  That left standing the lower court's rulings, but had no nationwide affect.
 
2013-07-08 05:41:21 PM
how about these farking bigots start paying attention to the shiat their savior actually spoke about?   But no.. it's always the need to have grand displays or hide behind the bits and pieces  they collected from the OT as if their faith is nothing more then a buffet table and we're all supposed to give them a 5 star rating.
 
2013-07-08 05:41:22 PM
I think this should explain the argument against gay marriage pretty well.


http://www.explosm.net/comics/3224/
 
2013-07-08 05:41:27 PM
If I remember right, there is a delay between the Supreme Court decision and the actual enforcement of it.  It's intended to allow the losing party to appeal to the Court again for a re-hearing.  It's super rare, and basically a technicality, but...

So this clerk is basically using a loophole to buy a few more weeks before being compelled to issue the licenses.  It's a dick move, but possibly valid.
 
2013-07-08 05:43:35 PM
What is the farking deal with all these "opposing views" greenlights?

It's like the flavor of the year.
 
2013-07-08 05:43:53 PM

Satanic_Hamster: In other news:
There's going to be some open positions for county clerks in Cali as the more conservative ones get fired.


That's what will happen.
 
2013-07-08 05:44:11 PM
Nothing but hellfire and rampant turtle diddling from now on.

Guess I'll just wait over here for the rapture.
 
2013-07-08 05:44:49 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: If I remember right, there is a delay between the Supreme Court decision and the actual enforcement of it.  It's intended to allow the losing party to appeal to the Court again for a re-hearing.  It's super rare, and basically a technicality, but...

So this clerk is basically using a loophole to buy a few more weeks before being compelled to issue the licenses.  It's a dick move, but possibly valid.


Thought the day the ruling was announced they said it would take 3-6 weeks for marriages to be available, has that time table changed?
 
2013-07-08 05:45:18 PM
However, Thomasson still believes county clerks can stop gay marriage in California......

img.fark.net

"You've lost.  You just don't know it yet."


 
2013-07-08 05:45:45 PM

fawlty: ya'll do realize the the Supremes did not legalize gay marriage in Ca. or anywhere else, right?  They said it is a matter for the states and that the persons defending Prop 8 lacked standing to defend the California initiative.  That left standing the lower court's rulings, but had no nationwide affect.


Correct.

However, it's only a matter of time now before someone brings suit when they move from California, where they are married and the state recognizes that marriage, to a place like Oregon, where their marriage is not recognized by the state.
 
2013-07-08 05:47:18 PM

TheMysticS: What is the farking deal with all these "opposing views" greenlights?

It's like the flavor of the year.


Would you rather go back to the days where every other link was from the Daily Fail?
 
2013-07-08 05:47:20 PM

buckler: Anti-gay group can go to Hell.


No, we don't want them in New Jersey.
 
2013-07-08 05:49:17 PM
Sore losers.
 
2013-07-08 05:49:23 PM
If anyone here is opposed to this union, speak now, and then get the f*ck out of here. You may now kiss my ass.
 
2013-07-08 05:50:06 PM
But only a clerk who sues the state can stop what is happening. California's pro-family community  homo-haters needs to find one or more county clerks- who have "standing" in the eyes of the courts

Fixed for honesty.
 
2013-07-08 05:50:23 PM

haemaker: Doesn't matter.  In California, as long as the license is not filed under seal, you can get a licence in one county and get married in another.  So as long as one County Clerk follows the law, there isn't an issue.

[i848.photobucket.com image 549x362]


Ok, I'll bite (and you seem to know what you're talking about):

Why would a marriage license be filed under seal?  How many secret marriages are being performed in my state?  ANSWER ME!
 
2013-07-08 05:50:33 PM

buckler: Anti-gay group can go to Hell.


What did Detroit do to deserve them?
 
2013-07-08 05:51:39 PM
Believe it or not, this is not completely unreasonable. Close, but not completely.

The Supreme Court did not hold that Prop 8 was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court held that it shouldn't decide whether Prop 8 was unconstitutional.

This was the series of events:
*A federal district court in California held that Prop 8 was unconstitutional.
*The California state government decided not to appeal that decision.
*Some of the people who had funded the initiative filed their own appeal.
*The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals -- the federal appeals court handling California cases -- weren't sure whether the funders of the initiative had the right to do that. It seemed to be a matter of state law, so they "certified the question" to the California Supreme Court.
*The California Supreme Court said that, yes, the funders of the initiative had the right to appeal if the government didn't.
*The Ninth Circuit said, okay, then we'll hear the case; but it also agreed with the district court that Prop 8 was unconstitutional.
*Those same funders of Prop 8 asked the Supreme Court to review the case.
*The Supreme Court agreed to review it, but ultimately decided that the question of "Who could appeal the district court's ruling?" should be purely a question of federal law, not state law -- and under the Court's interpretation of the "standing" principles that decide who is sufficiently connected to a case, the funders of the proposition weren't sufficiently connected. So that meant that the Ninth Circuit was acting without jurisdiction when it reviewed and affirmed the district court's decision, and likewise it would mean that the Supreme Court would be acting without jurisdiction if it reviewed the merits of the case. So the Supreme Court vacated the Ninth Circuit's ruling, without making any ruling on the merits of Prop 8 itself.
*The result of that is that Prop 8 is considered unconstitutional at the moment, because the federal district court said so, and there is no higher court opinion saying otherwise. But that's all it means.

So what these folks are trying to do is find someone who they think would have "standing" -- in this case, a county clerk, who has to issue the licenses and might not want to do so -- and start a whole new suit, which they would try to take all the way up the chain to the Supreme Court again if need be. This wouldn't be contradicting the Supreme Court's earlier ruling; it would just be trying to work around the problem that the Supreme Court found in the earlier case.

Now, of course, none of this means that this plan will actually work. Yes, they can file suit, and if they lose at the trial level they can file an appeal, and if they lose the appeal they can ask the Supreme Court to review again. But the Supreme Court may simply say no (that's their right -- they choose which cases to hear). Or they might say that a county clerk has agreed to issue whatever licenses the state government directs him/her to issue, so the clerk can't complain about the merits of the law, and STFU & GBTW. Or they might accept review and squarely rule that Prop 8 is unconstitutional.

But all of these "may"s and "might's don't add up to a "will". This plan could conceivably work.

/not a lawyer; not legal advice
//not to be taken internally
///may cause drowsiness -- alcohol may intensify this effect
 
2013-07-08 05:51:58 PM
Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.
 
2013-07-08 05:52:47 PM

RexTalionis: MaudlinMutantMollusk: File suit, Thomasson

/let's see how that works out

I think his plan is that he thinks that a county clerk would have standing to sue that they, themselves, would not have.


OK. But I'd still like to know how they could show harm

/I mean, if I can file suit just for being asked to perform my assigned job description, someone is gonna pay
 
2013-07-08 05:52:58 PM

letrole: Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.


It's all a vast, coordinated ploy!
 
2013-07-08 05:53:49 PM
Keep farking that chicken.
 
2013-07-08 05:54:09 PM

Tom_Slick: DrunkWithImpotence: If I remember right, there is a delay between the Supreme Court decision and the actual enforcement of it.  It's intended to allow the losing party to appeal to the Court again for a re-hearing.  It's super rare, and basically a technicality, but...

So this clerk is basically using a loophole to buy a few more weeks before being compelled to issue the licenses.  It's a dick move, but possibly valid.

Thought the day the ruling was announced they said it would take 3-6 weeks for marriages to be available, has that time table changed?


Yes, they thought it would take weeks for the stay on gay marriage to be lifted from the lower court. But it turns out they were able to get it lifted after a couple days and marriages are already being given in California. Lots of happy people in SF last week!
 
2013-07-08 05:54:12 PM
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2013-07-08 05:54:31 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: OK. But I'd still like to know how they could show harm


No doubt the conservative catch-all of "I'm being forced to disobey my religion's tenets!"
 
2013-07-08 05:55:08 PM

propasaurus: vernonFL: jake_lex: thismomentinblackhistory: I'm sure the resulting viral videos of tearful same-sex couples being turned away by overzealous county clerks will bring droves of people over to the anti-gay marriage side.

It will look exactly like this:

[media.npr.org image 462x561]

[blackpast.org image 653x584]

I wonder who that guy is. What became of him? Was he an unrepentant racist till the day he died?


That's Ben Stein. Study it out.
 
2013-07-08 05:56:36 PM

fawlty: ya'll do realize the the Supremes did not legalize gay marriage in Ca. or anywhere else, right?  They said it is a matter for the states and that the persons defending Prop 8 lacked standing to defend the California initiative.  That left standing the lower court's rulings, but had no nationwide affect.


This is correct, and Prop 8 went back to the lower court.  That court released a statement that the State of California could start issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples immediately.  So, the idiot who is pinning this on the Supreme Court is doubly stupid.
 
2013-07-08 05:56:54 PM

Burning_Monk: Yes, they thought it would take weeks for the stay on gay marriage to be lifted from the lower court. But it turns out they were able to get it lifted after a couple days and marriages are already being given in California. Lots of happy people in SF last week!


Cool, thanks, I stopped paying attention after the ruling.
 
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