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2013-07-08 04:13:20 PM
"we're very similar to the way the Christian church was at the very beginning of its existence"

Jewish?
 
2013-07-08 04:30:05 PM
Moore compared today's Christians to Christians of the early church, who were often murdered and even fed to the lions in ancient Rome.


You poor oppressed majority.
 
2013-07-08 04:44:50 PM
www.fark.com/opposingviews

/is this a thing yet?
 
2013-07-08 04:45:52 PM
"I don't think the issue is whether or not an individual person or couple can be good parents," Moore insisted. "The question is whether or not a child needs a mother and a father, and whether a mother and a father bring something distinctive to the task of parenting."

And it's been answered, numerous times. It's just not the answer you wanted so you refuse to acknowledge it.
 
2013-07-08 04:46:36 PM

what_now: Moore compared today's Christians to Christians of the early church, who were often murdered and even fed to the lions in ancient Rome.


You poor oppressed majority.


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2013-07-08 04:54:13 PM
"Freakish?"  Hardly.  I find them rather dull and uninspired.  And many American Evangelicals I don't consider Christian at all.

American Protestants need a new Reformation.
 
2013-07-08 05:04:29 PM
"Clearly, this is their problem, and not ours."
 
2013-07-08 05:07:10 PM
*shakes head silently up and down in agreement while slowly backing towards the exit*

I'm know better than to argue with a man that's covered in poisonous snakes.
 
2013-07-08 05:23:01 PM
"I think [the ruling] said something to social conservatives," Moore said. "For a long time, social conservatives in America had kind of silent majority view of ourselves, and conservative evangelicals and conservative Roman Catholics had a moral majority view of ourselves as we somehow represents the mainstream of American culture, most people really agree with us, except for some elites somewhere."

Wow.  Just wow.
 
2013-07-08 05:42:33 PM
He claimed the recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions were harmful because children need a mother and father.

He lied.

/"They don't want anyone to look in on them and think they're dancing."
//And that concludes today's episode of "Just the Punchline" Theater.
 
2013-07-08 05:46:20 PM
so the 2009 song Jesus Freak wasn't enough?
 
2013-07-08 05:58:05 PM

what_now: Moore compared today's Christians to Christians of the early church, who were often murdered and even fed to the lions in ancient Rome.


You poor oppressed majority.


Now we just need some lions.
 
2013-07-08 05:58:07 PM
more like 'terrifying' than 'freakish' but ok, its a start.
 
2013-07-08 05:59:20 PM

Diogenes: "Freakish?"  Hardly.  I find them rather dull and uninspired.  And many American Evangelicals I don't consider Christian at all.

American Protestants need a new Reformation.


You don't find lunatics freakish?
 
2013-07-08 06:02:19 PM

Diogenes: "Freakish?"  Hardly.  I find them rather dull and uninspired.  And many American Evangelicals I don't consider Christian at all.

American Protestants need a new Reformation.


you raise a good point.  most evangelicals in the US aren't remotely christian.  in fact, the megachurches twist, distort and pervert christianity in service to a heretical faith that bears little or no resemblance to the message christ left his followers.  they glorify greed, hate the sick, despise the weak and fear the poor.  not at all christian.
 
2013-07-08 06:02:55 PM
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Not happy with the association.
 
2013-07-08 06:03:41 PM
Sadly the Romans actually never fed early Christians to lions. Maybe if the had done so it would have never taken off as a religion.
 
2013-07-08 06:03:51 PM
To each their own.   Christians seem freakish to non Christians and vice versa.  No biggie.
 
2013-07-08 06:04:27 PM
Were the early Christians intolerant busybodies? Because if they were, he may be right, and it sort of explains the lions.
 
2013-07-08 06:04:35 PM
FTFA : Moore compared today's Christians to Christians of the early church, who were often murdered and even fed to the lions in ancient Rome.

Things are that bad, and no press?  You would think 60 minutes or someone would do a special on it.

/Feed Christians to lions on pay per view, and I'd watch.
 
2013-07-08 06:05:01 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: so the 2009 song Jesus Freak wasn't enough?




Not sure if trolling, as I knew that that song was released in 1995. Older than Adam riding a dinosaur.

/former evangelical
 
2013-07-08 06:05:36 PM
In my view, religious people simply do not compute.  Anyone who can abdicate his or her personal responsibility to interpret the world and do the right things, instead electing to follow some obviously bullshiat instructions from some made-up book, is not well-meaning.  Grow a pair and take responsibility for your existence.

Yes I believe religion is the worst invention ever by man.  Even the good deeds that come out of religion are vastly outweighed by the prejudices and judgments of the "silent majority."  This legitimizes nutjobs of all varieties and is a major net negative on humanity.
 
2013-07-08 06:07:26 PM
static.guim.co.uk

Behold, the god of American Christianity.
 
2013-07-08 06:07:34 PM
It's fun to play victim! That must be why so many people do it.

I wasn't popular in school...
 
2013-07-08 06:08:03 PM
Maybe if he started by dropping the Newspeak name of his group, people might start to believe him: "Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission "
 
2013-07-08 06:10:43 PM

red5ish: Were the early Christians intolerant busybodies? Because if they were, he may be right, and it sort of explains the lions.


some were very much a radical group that posed a danger to society at large.  some kinda got caught up in the backlash and paid the price for other christians acting like dicks.  the early church tho, once they started taking over, pretty much WERE jerks to everyone else.  they purged pagan priests and priestesses, smashed temples, and hijacked festivals for use in their religion.  later on, they terrorized pagans into silence and burned 'witches' and heretics who questioned the status quo.

Now the modern church isn't as bad as all that.  least in the US anyways.  but are some evangelical christians intolerant?  hells yes.  that's why I'm kinda quiet about being pagan to people I meet out in the world.  not that I'm afraid of my choices but because I'd rather not deal with the backlash from an opinionated dick hole who can't handle meeting/working someone from another faith.
 
2013-07-08 06:11:07 PM

Weaver95: Diogenes: "Freakish?"  Hardly.  I find them rather dull and uninspired.  And many American Evangelicals I don't consider Christian at all.

American Protestants need a new Reformation.

you raise a good point.  most evangelicals in the US aren't remotely christian.  in fact, the megachurches twist, distort and pervert christianity in service to a heretical faith that bears little or no resemblance to the message christ left his followers.  they glorify greed, hate the sick, despise the weak and fear the poor.  not at all christian.


The fact that ultra-right wing and/or "name it and claim it" are pretty much the only two forms of "evangelical" Christianity that appear on television these days hasn't helped much.
 
2013-07-08 06:11:25 PM

vernonFL: "we're very similar to the way the Christian church was at the very beginning of its existence"

Jewish?


Done in one.

/i lol'd, so hard
 
2013-07-08 06:11:42 PM

scottydoesntknow: "I don't think the issue is whether or not an individual person or couple can be good parents," Moore insisted. "The question is whether or not a child needs a mother and a father, and whether a mother and a father bring something distinctive to the task of parenting."

And it's been answered, numerous times. It's just not the answer you wanted so you refuse to acknowledge it.


Needless to say, I'm as non-religious as it gets. But I still suspect that a boy raised by two women, or a girl by two men, may not provide the ideal environment to grow up in. But I am certainly open to being proved wrong, unlike these fundies with their magical thinking.
 
2013-07-08 06:12:00 PM
I've got a bunch in my family. They could evangelize about anything. It just so happens that what they're spouting off about is down to little else but where they were born, and when.
 
2013-07-08 06:12:13 PM
JonnyBGoode:
The fact that ultra-right wing and/or "name it and claim it" are pretty much the only two forms of "evangelical" Christianity that appear on television these days hasn't helped much.

I despise what's become of modern christianity in this country.  I see nothing of redeeming value in those megachurches or their ideology.
 
2013-07-08 06:12:41 PM

cybrwzrd: Sadly the Romans actually never fed early Christians to lions. Maybe if the had done so it would have never taken off as a religion.


I've read that the 'fed to the lions' thing was essentially early Christian fanfic/torture porn.

Speaking of reading, anyone read The Myth of Persecution? Looks interesting, but something tells me I can't trust Amazon reviews on that particular book.
 
2013-07-08 06:13:13 PM
Yeah. The evangelicals are really working that whole "outsider" status thing. It's good for loyalty. Nothing builds a staunchly protectionist sub-group like convincing them that "no one else 'gets it' like we do. They are carefully cultivating the whole "we're Christian to the exxtreeeem! and we are so totally Christian that we Christian when we Christian!11!11!"

They NEED their congregation to feel isolated and embattled. It makes them more motivated to take action. And give money. And show up at the polling booths.

Ironically, fundamentalist evangelicals ARE a bit of a minority, even among American Christians. They just want everyone to think that they represent the viewpoint of the majority of Christians, and I think the Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians, and oh so many more might disagree.
 
2013-07-08 06:14:49 PM
Shia take a bow?

No wait, MB is Sunni, that won't work.

/GD geopolitical realities getting in the way of a good Smiths joke.
//*grumble grumble*
 
2013-07-08 06:14:56 PM
we somehow represents the mainstream

Represents, y'all!


dutchmang: In my view, religious people simply do not compute.  Anyone who can abdicate his or her personal responsibility to interpret the world and do the right things, instead electing to follow some obviously bullshiat instructions from some made-up book, is not well-meaning.  Grow a pair and take responsibility for your existence.

Yes I believe religion is the worst invention ever by man.  Even the good deeds that come out of religion are vastly outweighed by the prejudices and judgments of the "silent majority."  This legitimizes nutjobs of all varieties and is a major net negative on humanity.


SKY CAKE!
 
2013-07-08 06:16:43 PM

quatchi: Shia take a bow?

No wait, MB is Sunni, that won't work.

/GD geopolitical realities getting in the way of a good Smiths joke.
//*grumble grumble*


Soz. That meant for the Morsi thread.

*walk of shame outta thread*
 
2013-07-08 06:18:05 PM
"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" - 1 Peter 2:9, (KJV)

TL;DR: That's a feature, not a bug.

/ Yes, I know that translation is disfavored.
 
2013-07-08 06:21:25 PM
Evangelicals are frightening, not just "freakish". If they would just stop demanding their religious dominance over this country, through false claims of "Christian inspiration" in the United States laws and constitution, then we wouldn't think of them as "freakish" anymore (if that's their one worry).
 
2013-07-08 06:22:46 PM

FirstNationalBastard: what_now: Moore compared today's Christians to Christians of the early church, who were often murdered and even fed to the lions in ancient Rome.


You poor oppressed majority.

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"Waka-waka-waka-waka-waka-waka-waka!"
-Christians

"We-oh we-oh we-oh we-oh we-oh we-oh!"
-Everyone else
 
2013-07-08 06:22:53 PM
Your mockery and disdain just feeds their belief that the world is inevitably turning against God and his followers.
 
2013-07-08 06:23:32 PM
No S**T!.
 
2013-07-08 06:23:50 PM

netgamer7k: be

hold, the god of American Christianity. Evangelical Dominion and Prosperity Doctrine.

FTFA.
 
2013-07-08 06:24:20 PM
The interesting thing about Fark Christian Bashing threads is the forced catharsis they provide for some really angry heathens with logical disconnects.

Either Christianity is an opressive social structure that beats you down daily, or it's an inconsequential holdover that belongs in the past. Can't be both.

Moot point, really. Most of the derision here is driven by mummy and daddy issues. Just grow the fark up.
 
2013-07-08 06:25:10 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Your mockery and disdain just feeds their belief that the world is inevitably turning against God and his followers.


Yeah, nobody believes a crazy, especially if they smell bad or look poor. That's why those ministers have to wear suits instead of being Christ-like.
 
2013-07-08 06:27:11 PM

letrole: The interesting thing about Fark Christian Bashing threads is the forced catharsis they provide for some really angry heathens with logical disconnects.

Either Christianity is an opressive social structure that beats you down daily, or it's an inconsequential holdover that belongs in the past. Can't be both.

Moot point, really. Most of the derision here is driven by mummy and daddy issues. Just grow the fark up.


Christianity is a learned behaviour.
 
2013-07-08 06:27:49 PM
""we're very similar to the way the Christian church was at the very beginning of its existence""

In a manner of speaking.

Christians have an annoying tendency of forcing their values on everyone else and that usually results in a violent backlash.

The Romans themselves were fairly ambivalent toward the Christians and most Emperors were spotty and sporadic in their persecutions. There was no widespread campaign to wipe Christianity out completely otherwise you'd think the Romans would have done a much better job. The Christians were repulsed but not actively despised.

But much like modern Christians, they carried a sort of piety that the Romans found annoying (rejected participation in pagan festivals, refused military/public service, publicly criticized ancient traditions, etc.) and it was only when they tried to disrupt sacrificial rites and offerings at the temples (ie: upsetting the state religion) that the Romans kicked them out and they went into hiding. The religion spread fastest among slaves and women (and later on, barbarians) who were naturally persecuted anyway so it wasn't like the Romans singled them out.

So yeah, from that perspective -- Christians forcing their morality on everyone else -- today's evangelicals are exactly like 1st century Christians.
 
2013-07-08 06:28:27 PM

what_now: Moore compared today's Christians to Christians of the early church, who were often murdered and even fed to the lions in ancient Rome.


You poor oppressed majority.



Which, of course, didn't even happen.
Those Christian types sure are good at lying and making things up to suit their needs at any given time. They're more like disciples of PTBarnum.

And when you call them on their shiat, and ask why such a great religion has to be propped up by lies, whether in ancient form or the more modern FW: FW: FW: FW: RE: OPRESION OF OUR'S RIGHTS!!!1!, they just kinda stare...
 
2013-07-08 06:29:19 PM
Weaver95: ... ... the early church tho, once they started taking over, pretty much WERE jerks to everyone else. they purged pagan priests and priestesses, smashed temples, and hijacked festivals for use in their religion. later on, they terrorized pagans into silence and burned 'witches' and heretics who questioned the status quo.

Now the modern church isn't as bad as all that.



Right. They're not as bad as all that, but only because they no longer have a stranglehold on the entire goddamn western world. That's like saying a serial killer "isn't as bad as he used to be" because he hasn't killed anyone while locked in a cell on death row.

Let's not kid ourselves that the same Catholic church that has spent decades institutionally protecting goddamn child molesting priests wouldn't hesitate to torture or execute "heathens" if they could get away with it. They've already shown the world what they're capable of and more than willing to do.
 
2013-07-08 06:30:20 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: scottydoesntknow: "I don't think the issue is whether or not an individual person or couple can be good parents," Moore insisted. "The question is whether or not a child needs a mother and a father, and whether a mother and a father bring something distinctive to the task of parenting."

And it's been answered, numerous times. It's just not the answer you wanted so you refuse to acknowledge it.

Needless to say, I'm as non-religious as it gets. But I still suspect that a boy raised by two women, or a girl by two men, may not provide the ideal environment to grow up in. But I am certainly open to being proved wrong, unlike these fundies with their magical thinking.



Obviously you're trolling, but nevertheless allow me to introduce you to Zach Wahls.
 
2013-07-08 06:31:58 PM
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Those Jesus Freaks
Well, they're friendly but
The shiat they believe
Has got their minds all shut
An' they don't even care
When the church takes a cut
Ain't it bleak when you got so much nothin'
(So whaddya do)
Eat that pork
Eat that ham
Laugh till ya choke
On Billy Graham
Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham...
They're all a waste of time
'N it's yer ass that's on the line
(IT'S YER ASS THAT'S ON THE LINE)
 
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