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(Forbes)   "No, The Smartphone Boom Has Not Peaked - Samsung Has"   (forbes.com) divider line 112
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2013-07-08 01:56:21 PM  
Guy writes the article like he's going to personally profit from smartphone sales.

Also, Apple will be gods with "peripherals", whereas he states Samsung is toast because reasons.

Bleh, sh*tty article is sh*tty.

People say this all the time: (ftfa) There's not much technology left they can throw at the slab to make it better

And it's always, 100%, completely and utterly wrong.

/nobody needs more than 25kb of memory
 
2013-07-08 01:56:44 PM  
Smartphones are just getting slightly more powerful, but without any serious changes, it seems now. So presumably the next big changes will be when things become wearable, and implanted, with contact lenses that can zoom, and analyse people for potential of matching clothes, then forget to say please.
 
ecl
2013-07-08 01:58:37 PM  
Corporate Fluffing? On my Fark?
 
ecl
2013-07-08 02:00:45 PM  

sure haven't: Guy writes the article like he's going to personally profit from smartphone sales.

Also, Apple will be gods with "peripherals", whereas he states Samsung is toast because reasons.

Bleh, sh*tty article is sh*tty.

People say this all the time: (ftfa) There's not much technology left they can throw at the slab to make it better

And it's always, 100%, completely and utterly wrong.

/nobody needs more than 25kb of memory


From the sound of it he already is.
 
2013-07-08 02:02:20 PM  
I like many Apple products, but the constant fellating of Apple by business magazines and some tech reporters is getting nauseating. Great at design and pushing fringe technology in to the mainstream but they aren't generally the original "innovators" in their sphere. That and the real comparison is Apple versus Google + Manufacturers using Android in terms of innovation, as Google is leading innovation on the Android software side. Which includes extending it as a general computer platform.
 
2013-07-08 02:02:48 PM  
i have a galaxy s4, best phone ive had. Yeah it has some bloatware, but the replaceable battery will last close to 2 days without needing to be charged, and thats with using the internet briefly every couple of hours
 
2013-07-08 02:03:48 PM  

sure haven't: Bleh, sh*tty article is sh*tty.


All that needs to be said here.  Just pulling a bunch of guesses out of his ass based on absolutely nothing and stating them as if they were fact.
 
2013-07-08 02:05:02 PM  
For every Forbes that is pro Apple, you can find multiple that are just plain anti-Apple, and just as badly written the other way.

/Everyone is a pundit.
//Page clicks FTW.
 
2013-07-08 02:14:38 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: sure haven't: Bleh, sh*tty article is sh*tty.

All that needs to be said here.  Just pulling a bunch of guesses out of his ass based on absolutely nothing and stating them as if they were fact.


What really bugs me about this sort of article is people fellating Apple over the rumoured iWatch. Big farking deal, I've had a smartwatch for a long time now. It's pretty handy to be able to see what's buzzing my phone just by looking at my wrist, or be able to change songs or volume on the tube without removing my tablet from my pocket. It's also a lot more discreet at work.

What's really going to annoy me, and I can already imagine this happening, is Apple finally coming out with one and everybody crediting them with the invention of the damn thing.
 
2013-07-08 02:16:42 PM  
I can say with some level of certainty and authority that Samsung has more on the horizon than Apple does, in terms of smartphone innovations.

That said, I don't know why Forbes and other companies see this as a Samsung vs. Apple thing. The two companies are codependent, and have worked together on a great many things. Samsung makes money from Apple, and Apple makes money thanks to Samsung. This isn't like the console wars. Samsung actually manufactures many parts, and Apple needs those parts and those factories to produce future iProducts.

They've separated a bit since the lawsuits, but they will always need each other to some degree. That's the way the tech world works. Investment writers are the last to know what either company has up their sleeves. Forbes is basically full of shiat.
 
2013-07-08 02:17:13 PM  
I for one am getting tired of articles about cell phones.  All the articles are just re-worded from the previous articles with whatever new phone penciled in.  I like my phone, don't get me wrong, but I just don't get the fanaticism.
 
2013-07-08 02:17:23 PM  
The author of that article could easily get a job as a corporate fluffer. It is sad when the author isnt even trying to hide the fact they are biased.
 
2013-07-08 02:21:47 PM  
This whole line of logic is just stupid.  Forget the notion of real technology changes, minor changes and tweaks will continue to roll.  And every time I hear the phrase "Peak Smartphone" pundits I have the immediate desire to cockpunch them.  A) One of the assumptions is that once someone has an expensive smartphone they well never get another.    I've been getting a new smartphone every two or three years for almost a decade now.  B) The other assumption is that no other technologies will come along that causes users to upgrade to newer hardware that is mostly the same beyond the new technology.  An example of this would be Wimax vs. LTE.  C) It assumes that people will never change their mind about buying a smart phone.  There are a lot of dumbphones out there still in use.  I know plenty of people that decided to wait for some personally assigned technology hurdle is met.  A lot of them are now waiting for a contract renewal to upgrade.

If someone told me that after I got my first dual core pc with PCI-E I'd never get another new pc I'd have laughed them out of the city/state/country and so would the tech reporters.  But for some reason someone can spout the same non-sense about smartphones and everyone buys it.
 
2013-07-08 02:21:48 PM  
No, idiot article writer, it just means smartphones are reaching a plateau in terms of development, just like the PC reached.

During the past years, every 6 months you could have a device that was much more capable than what was before. Nowadays, the law of diminishing returns kicked in. Samsung Galaxy SIII and S4 perform the same tasks in pretty much the same way, so why would one be enthrilled to buy one other than being a neurotic must-have-the-newest-toy freak?

Wow, did he really type that smartphones are going to disappear? Jesus, Forbes. I can write better tripe than that. Hire me.
 
2013-07-08 02:22:49 PM  

sure haven't: Also, Apple will be gods with "peripherals", whereas he states Samsung is toast because reasons.


Apple completely barfed when they went with the Lightning connector. It's too small to become a locking point in a cradle, and the adapter is hit and miss.

The future of accessories will be in Bluetooth and Bluetooth-S. Completely hardware agnostic, mostly just a matter of apps or standards.
 
2013-07-08 02:23:13 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I can say with some level of certainty and authority that Samsung has more on the horizon than Apple does, in terms of smartphone innovations.


Do you have any cetaceans for your secret knowledge? I'm curious.

Humorous-Name: What's really going to annoy me, and I can already imagine this happening, is Apple finally coming out with one and everybody crediting them with the invention of the damn thing.


Is that actually important? Aside from it being a hypothetical fear, of course, would it matter if people who were not up on tech didn't know that theirs wasn't the first?
 
2013-07-08 02:24:00 PM  

rocky_howard: Wow, did he really type that smartphones are going to disappear? Jesus, Forbes. I can write better tripe than that. Hire me.


Well, they will, but perhaps not as soon as he thinks they will.
 
2013-07-08 02:25:31 PM  
Last decade has been a major push in hand-held computing. To expect this to be forever sustainable is unrealistic - after a while there's not much more you can add. There's only incremental improvements until the product becomes either "perfect" or some ancillary technology allows us to make a new push (battery technology, network speed and reliability and such).

Plus right now you basically cannot add anything new to phones before someone you never heard of, or ANYONE ever heard of, comes and claim a Brazilian dollars in damages for a patent they were sitting on.
 
2013-07-08 02:25:42 PM  

LasersHurt: rocky_howard: Wow, did he really type that smartphones are going to disappear? Jesus, Forbes. I can write better tripe than that. Hire me.

Well, they will, but perhaps not as soon as he thinks they will.


Everything will disappear, so please don't get philosophical on this.
 
2013-07-08 02:32:52 PM  

rocky_howard: LasersHurt: rocky_howard: Wow, did he really type that smartphones are going to disappear? Jesus, Forbes. I can write better tripe than that. Hire me.

Well, they will, but perhaps not as soon as he thinks they will.

Everything will disappear, so please don't get philosophical on this.


Not even that philosophical, I'm not talking about "LO AND IN A HUNDRED YEARS...". They will disappear (or rather fade away), within a decade most likely.
 
2013-07-08 02:34:43 PM  

fst_creeper: There are a lot of dumbphones out there still in use. I know plenty of people that decided to wait for some personally assigned technology hurdle is met. A lot of them are now waiting for a contract renewal to upgrade.


People like my mom. I have a smart phone, my dad has one, but we've put off getting her one. The deal is, we're up for new phones, as soon as one of ours breaks to un-usability (within the next 6 months), we'll all be getting S4s.

my brother still has a dumb-phone. Why, I don't know, but I can't imagine that NOT changing within a year or two.
 
2013-07-08 02:39:33 PM  

LasersHurt: ZeroCorpse: I can say with some level of certainty and authority that Samsung has more on the horizon than Apple does, in terms of smartphone innovations.

Do you have any cetaceans for your secret knowledge? I'm curious.

Humorous-Name: What's really going to annoy me, and I can already imagine this happening, is Apple finally coming out with one and everybody crediting them with the invention of the damn thing.

Is that actually important? Aside from it being a hypothetical fear, of course, would it matter if people who were not up on tech didn't know that theirs wasn't the first?


Imagine everyone one day deciding that Justin Bieber invented pop music and arguing it with a straight face. You'd want to strangle someone after awhile.
 
2013-07-08 02:39:39 PM  

entropic_existence: I like many Apple products, but the constant fellating of Apple by business magazines and some tech reporters is getting nauseating. Great at design and pushing fringe technology in to the mainstream but they aren't generally the original "innovators" in their sphere.


True. But being first isn't as important as in getting the product right. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player, but it was so much better than what came before it that most people don't remember who was first. The iPhone wasn't the first smartphone, but they changed that category so much that few people remember (or care) who was first. The iPad was not the first tablet, not by a long shot, but it was apparently the first one that appealed to consumers.

"Apple wasn't first" is just a red herring, used by companies that do nothing but copy last year's Apple product.
 
2013-07-08 02:42:01 PM  

LasersHurt: would it matter if people who were not up on tech didn't know that theirs wasn't the first?


Plenty of people buy Jeep's because they "built the first 4 wheel drive".  Mercedes enjoys a fair amount of prestige sales just because of their age and history.  Heck, ma bell was able to become a massive monopoly that took a huge effort to break because they were the first.  So yes having the credit for creating something that existed for some time before your contribution to the product type can be a big deal.
 
2013-07-08 02:44:18 PM  
"Both Apple and Samsung are warning that the summer will be tough but then we're in the run up to Christmas, when people have discretionary spend. "

"more profits from product brands llike the S4"

"The short answer to the smartphone market issue is: expect to see smartphones absolutely everywhere. The long answer is we are witnessing two companies at the top of their game"

---


If you can't bother to read over your article a few times and AT LEAST fix the errors that spell check pulls up, then I can only assume you're writing for an audience of idiots.

I tend to make that assumption of just about every article I come across these days though. If I live for 50 more years I can only assume the English that I learned in school will have been completely replaced by mutated spellings and internet slang.
 
2013-07-08 02:51:51 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Imagine everyone one day deciding that Justin Bieber invented pop music and arguing it with a straight face. You'd want to strangle someone after awhile.


I guess I don't know who these people are who would actually ARGUE the point. Maybe think it, but you can then, you know, correct them. I can't imagine them pushing back on that. Then again, people never fail to surprise I guess.

fst_creeper: LasersHurt: would it matter if people who were not up on tech didn't know that theirs wasn't the first?

Plenty of people buy Jeep's because they "built the first 4 wheel drive".  Mercedes enjoys a fair amount of prestige sales just because of their age and history.  Heck, ma bell was able to become a massive monopoly that took a huge effort to break because they were the first.  So yes having the credit for creating something that existed for some time before your contribution to the product type can be a big deal.


Right, but does any of that really annoy anyone? Is it that important? It seems like the kind of thing that people shouldn't be all too whipped up about. People are often incorrect about things.
 
2013-07-08 02:58:54 PM  
I love my Note 2.  I have nothing against Apple products.  Suck it Forbes..
 
2013-07-08 03:01:11 PM  

LasersHurt: Right, but does any of that really annoy anyone?


I guess that could be a personal matter, but for me, it can annoy the piss out of me.  Why?  Because I'm frequently tasked to find and recommend the best technology solution I can for current and expected need.  I'm largely system agnostic and platform independent.  There is nothing more irritating than coming up with a good solution, with an acceptable cost and predictable future only to have to fight against un-deserved momentum.  "Norton was the first corporate anti-virus."  "Adobe made pdf's."  "Oracle is 'the' business database system."  All of those statements are false but one.  And even the one that is right has no bearing on a server based plug-in to create downloadable web documents.  But they all have managed to bork solutions.  So that is why I hate to see someone get credit for a tool that was 4-5 years old before they hit the market.
 
2013-07-08 03:06:00 PM  
Seems like the article is saying that Apple is set to 'explode' by becoming like Android...

It also seems like it's saying that Samsung is about to peak because they can't "throw anything else at the slab", but not Apple because of.... Well, apparently just because.

As far as innovation, Samsung seems to be doing just fine by offering different versions for different users, for example; the S4 Zoom... I see apple continuing to just make 1 phone, 1 size, and tell all of their users that that is exactly what they want, what they have always wanted, and what they will want forever. No bigger, nothing new and exciting besides maybe a headphone jack on the bottom.
 
2013-07-08 03:10:10 PM  

Mikey1969: Seems like the article is saying that Apple is set to 'explode' by becoming like Android...

It also seems like it's saying that Samsung is about to peak because they can't "throw anything else at the slab", but not Apple because of.... Well, apparently just because.

As far as innovation, Samsung seems to be doing just fine by offering different versions for different users, for example; the S4 Zoom... I see apple continuing to just make 1 phone, 1 size, and tell all of their users that that is exactly what they want, what they have always wanted, and what they will want forever. No bigger, nothing new and exciting besides maybe a headphone jack on the bottom.


You were doing okay, but this is just silly. Ascribing all of these infantilizing motives is just you projecting onto Apple, or something.
 
2013-07-08 03:10:49 PM  
Cell phones, much like technology itself, are actually ahead of the curve already in their market.  Technology's biggest hurdle right now is that media and information haven't caught up with them yet.  Cell phones can and do provide amazing things already in the right places, look at Japan for a good example.  Places like the US are lagging behind because data speeds and especially data plans are dreadful compared to some parts of the world.

When mobile phones, or more specifically mobile web, start to become as saturated in the world as POTS used to be, then you'll see the innovation on mobile devices start picking up steam.  As of right now it's not something companies want to invest in, because not enough people want it or benefit from it.
 
2013-07-08 03:11:47 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Imagine everyone one day deciding that Justin Bieber invented pop music and arguing it with a straight face. You'd want to strangle someone after awhile.


It's more like Jimi Hendrix is the first icon in playing the electric guitar like a bad ass, nobody gives a shiat that Les Paul invented it to play some boring country music a bit louder than before.
 
2013-07-08 03:15:01 PM  
I need a new one. I can't even find cases for my phone (Motorola Droid X2) any more. Might go Samsung Galaxy, since I'm definitely sticking with Android.

On a related note, I figure that Google Glass is either going to be a huge game changer that eventually becomes ubiquitous, or a bizarre little side-note that will one day be featured on whatever the future's equivalent of Cracked articles are.
 
2013-07-08 03:34:09 PM  
Haven't got the memo i.imgur.com
/With the Lumia 1020 you can pretty much toss your point and shoot
 
2013-07-08 03:35:58 PM  

entropic_existence: Google is leading innovation on the Android software side


Yes, Android has many more innovative ways to burn off battery life than iOS does.
 
2013-07-08 03:42:56 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: With the Lumia 1020 you can pretty much toss your point and shoot


I have been telling my company for over a year that WP8 was the 3rd platform to look at, not BB10. They put their eggs in the BB10 basket. The last few weeks of news have been rough for them.

Personally, I want us to get into WP8 so I can get a WP8 device. It seems like something I might enjoy.
 
2013-07-08 03:49:34 PM  

Mikey1969: I see apple continuing to just make 1 phone, 1 size


Are you aware that Apple has 3 phone models and 2 sizes in current production?
 
2013-07-08 03:53:11 PM  

manimal2878: It's more like Jimi Hendrix is the first icon in playing the electric guitar like a bad ass, nobody gives a shiat that Les Paul invented it to play some boring country music a bit louder than before.


Spoken like someone who's never heard a Les Paul record.
 
2013-07-08 04:00:16 PM  

poot_rootbeer: entropic_existence: Google is leading innovation on the Android software side

Yes, Android has many more innovative ways to burn off battery life than iOS does.


My comment wasn't anything to do with whether Android or iOS is superior, merely that the comparison of Apple vs Samsung isn't the correct comparison. Apple is a hardware and software designer (who sources plenty of their hardware from Samsung). Samsung is primarily a hardware company with a very small focus on software, but even then most of their devices are running Android and Samsung isn't the one driving that bus.
 
2013-07-08 04:06:40 PM  

LasersHurt: Mikey1969: Seems like the article is saying that Apple is set to 'explode' by becoming like Android...

It also seems like it's saying that Samsung is about to peak because they can't "throw anything else at the slab", but not Apple because of.... Well, apparently just because.

As far as innovation, Samsung seems to be doing just fine by offering different versions for different users, for example; the S4 Zoom... I see apple continuing to just make 1 phone, 1 size, and tell all of their users that that is exactly what they want, what they have always wanted, and what they will want forever. No bigger, nothing new and exciting besides maybe a headphone jack on the bottom.

You were doing okay, but this is just silly. Ascribing all of these infantilizing motives is just you projecting onto Apple, or something.


Sorry, didn't realize that Apple was offering more than 1 size of phone. I didn't realize that they were starting to branch out and offer different phone packages to consumers, depending on their usage, and I didn't realize that they were allowing true customization of such elements as the keyboard, the launcher, the email client, the messaging client and the camera app.

Oh that's right.

They aren't. You get(As I said) 1 phone. 1 size. 1 set of options. All you get to change when you purchase is the memory size.

Thanks for playing, though. Get back to me when Apple starts offering the kind of variety in their models class that both Samsung and LG offer, K?
 
2013-07-08 04:08:35 PM  

entropic_existence: Samsung is primarily a hardware company with a very small focus on software,.


You ask any of the XDA people who complain about "bloatware" (free applications that don't really bother the common user because you don't really have to ever use them) or the "skin" purists (stock google UI FTW people) and they'll disagree with you.

They've got a ton of code sitting on top of base Android.  As a matter of fact, some features from Samsung get incorporated into stock Android at a later date (possibly in a different way, but still).  Hell, there's an additional 3ish GB of apps sitting on top of Stock Android.
 
2013-07-08 04:09:02 PM  

poot_rootbeer: manimal2878: It's more like Jimi Hendrix is the first icon in playing the electric guitar like a bad ass, nobody gives a shiat that Les Paul invented it to play some boring country music a bit louder than before.

Spoken like someone who's never heard a Les Paul record.


False, my grandfather loved that crap.
 
2013-07-08 04:11:10 PM  
So with apple so can easily put your music/movies/ect on your phone in one easy place, plus the apps and whatnot.

If you don't use your smartphone for those types of things, why would you want an iphone?

I tell my friends who have iphones, never update their apps, and have never once plugged their phone into a computer to update or put songs on it, why the fark did you buy an iphone then.

The whole making stuff easy to use for those reasons are the only reason to own one.
 
2013-07-08 04:11:26 PM  

Mikey1969: Thanks for playing, though.


I see you're emotionally wrapped up in this, so I'ma let you go.
 
2013-07-08 04:12:57 PM  

JolobinSmokin: So with apple so can easily put your music/movies/ect on your phone in one easy place, plus the apps and whatnot.

If you don't use your smartphone for those types of things, why would you want an iphone?

I tell my friends who have iphones, never update their apps, and have never once plugged their phone into a computer to update or put songs on it, why the fark did you buy an iphone then.

The whole making stuff easy to use for those reasons are the only reason to own one.


You can also do that with other, different smartphones. However, like other smartphones, you can also load it with great apps and really use them a lot. There are lots of reasons to own an use one.

Your friends who don't use it much don't need Apple devices, they don't need Smartphones at all.
 
2013-07-08 04:15:50 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Mikey1969: I see apple continuing to just make 1 phone, 1 size

Are you aware that Apple has 3 phone models and 2 sizes in current production?


Gonna disagree with you there.

The interface on all 3 phones is exactly the same with no enhancements (asides from adding an extra row of icons or changing spacing).

1) You can rest assured that the new form factor will stick for the half-a-decade (if they're track record remains the same), so they'll drop back to 1 model in a year or two.  Also, try getting modern hardware with the bigger screen.  Oh wait, you can't:  Either get small screen with no voice assistant on inferior hardware (an i4), or NEW SHINEY PHONE!

2) Galaxy Note introduces new interface elements / stylus for precision typing/drawing/interacting.  In this respect, Samsung has tried (with moderate success) to push what's available.
 
2013-07-08 04:22:11 PM  

JolobinSmokin: So with apple so can easily put your music/movies/ect on your phone in one easy place, plus the apps and whatnot.

If you don't use your smartphone for those types of things, why would you want an iphone?

I tell my friends who have iphones, never update their apps, and have never once plugged their phone into a computer to update or put songs on it, why the fark did you buy an iphone then.

The whole making stuff easy to use for those reasons are the only reason to own one.

That's the only thing I hate about smartphones. I have yet to go one farking day without something needing to be updated.
 
2013-07-08 04:29:20 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: JolobinSmokin: So with apple so can easily put your music/movies/ect on your phone in one easy place, plus the apps and whatnot.

If you don't use your smartphone for those types of things, why would you want an iphone?

I tell my friends who have iphones, never update their apps, and have never once plugged their phone into a computer to update or put songs on it, why the fark did you buy an iphone then.

The whole making stuff easy to use for those reasons are the only reason to own one.
That's the only thing I hate about smartphones. I have yet to go one farking day without something needing to be updated.


But that's a good thing, everything you use is being continually improved.
 
2013-07-08 04:29:55 PM  

SleepingEye: entropic_existence: Samsung is primarily a hardware company with a very small focus on software,.

You ask any of the XDA people who complain about "bloatware" (free applications that don't really bother the common user because you don't really have to ever use them) or the "skin" purists (stock google UI FTW people) and they'll disagree with you.

They've got a ton of code sitting on top of base Android.  As a matter of fact, some features from Samsung get incorporated into stock Android at a later date (possibly in a different way, but still).  Hell, there's an additional 3ish GB of apps sitting on top of Stock Android.


I didn't say they don't make software, and they do certainly layer lots on top of Android. Maybe I shouldn't have said "very small" but my point was that Samsung is by and large a hardware company. That is the major focus of the company as a whole, and of their mobile device unit as well.
 
2013-07-08 04:38:09 PM  
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