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2013-07-08 03:25:00 PM
This guy is going a long way toward shaking that "The Vatican is the Antichrist" thing.
 
2013-07-08 03:25:40 PM

Mugato: scottydoesntknow: Last week for me. One of my friends (who was a huge drinker/smoker/partier) suddenly found Jesus and now it's all he ever talks about. I can't even have a conversation with him without it turning to his Tuesday bible studies and how I should go because I need Jesus.

Fark, I hate those people. They're worse than the drinkers and drug addicts. He's probably also in some "program". Just get assimilated by the Borg and be done with it.

/but glad he's doing well


While that is annoying.  It is better that he is addicted to religion than to the substances that could kill him.  A lot of people with addiction issues simply trade in on a less damaging addiction.  It doesn't make them any less annoying.
 
2013-07-08 03:26:00 PM

scottydoesntknow: Pray 4 Mojo: scottydoesntknow: Pray 4 Mojo: you have pee hands: I think it's more that the Jews as a group aren't really trying to enforce their beliefs on anyone

When is the last time you were proselytized to by a Catholic?

Last week for me. One of my friends (who was a huge drinker/smoker/partier) suddenly found Jesus and now it's all he ever talks about. I can't even have a conversation with him without it turning to his Tuesday bible studies and how I should go because I need Jesus.

Hell he gave my girlfriend 2 CDs for her birthday 2 weeks ago. Both of them were sermons about something (we haven't watched them yet).

Wow. Are you sure he's Catholic? "Bible Study" really isn't their thing. At least... in my extensive experience with Catholics.

The bible study might be non-denominational (I'm not entirely sure), but he is 100% Catholic.

He kinda pissed me off over the weekend as we were at a house-warming party where one of my friends got really drunk (as he usually does) and my other friend texted us saying we need to watch him and make sure he's ok. The reborn one actually said (and I'm typing this word for word from my texts)
"I know."
"He needs to go to church."
"The only way he will stop drinking is if God changes him"

I can't even have a conversation with the guy anymore without it being turned into some way to get me (or others) to go to church.


If he's "reborn," he's not 100% Catholic any more.
 
2013-07-08 03:26:54 PM

FlashHarry: i hope his next trick is putting cardinal dolan's head on a farking spike.


Hey, I can do that for you, no problem.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-08 03:26:58 PM

Urinal Cake Mix: FlashHarry: you know, i'm an atheist, but i'm really liking this pope. his focus on the poor and on setting a good example really harkens back to the mission of living a more christ-like existence.

Same. The Catholic church is never going to accept gay marriage (or contraceptives, let's be honest), but at least this guy isn't a total all-around douche. The Cardinals could've picked a much, much worse alternative.


Like the previous one, the "Pompous Nazi Old Guy"
Leave Francis alone - from the moment he chose his name, Catholics knew he was going to be different
 
2013-07-08 03:27:02 PM

simplicimus: Married priests is just a policy change. It was started in medieval times, when the eldest male was (a the sole heir of family property and b) had to become a priest, so all that property went to the Church. Before that, priests were allowed to marry.


My understanding was it was usually the opposite. Rarely did the eldest heir take the cloth, otherwise a families wealth and standing would end in a generation, which obviously was scrupulously avoided.

More common was for the younger heirs, who were less likely to inherit lands and title would take vows to ensure that they had a place of standing (and sometimes power). Of course, all wealthy families were expected to (and very much did) give to the church to show both their deep, deep, earnest and true faith (*wink*) and not at all to curry favor with the local Abby or Bishop who wielded enormous political power.

Conversely, the poor and unwealthy children would be sent to take the cloth because it was one of the few avenues of financial security and limited upward social mobility.
 
2013-07-08 03:27:21 PM
And how many of them a priest could molest
 
2013-07-08 03:27:21 PM

Aarontology: What kind of weird ass adoption agencies and marriage licenses have you experienced where blowing a dude is a requirement?


I've always found it to be optional.
 
2013-07-08 03:29:05 PM
nobody ?

cdn.head-fi.org
 
2013-07-08 03:29:16 PM

simplicimus: /* Unless your future spouse is Catholic and wants a Church Wedding.


Not sure how old you are, but it's no problem now. Typically they just skip the eucharist. But as long as the spouse agrees to raise any children Catholic, the church is fine with mixed religion marriages.
 
2013-07-08 03:30:26 PM
A more humble car for a priest:

www.canistream.it
 
2013-07-08 03:30:38 PM

Surpheon: simplicimus: /* Unless your future spouse is Catholic and wants a Church Wedding.

Not sure how old you are, but it's no problem now. Typically they just skip the eucharist. But as long as the spouse agrees to raise any children Catholic, the church is fine with mixed religion marriages.


Yeah, I'm old.
 
2013-07-08 03:31:40 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: scottydoesntknow: Pray 4 Mojo: you have pee hands: I think it's more that the Jews as a group aren't really trying to enforce their beliefs on anyone

When is the last time you were proselytized to by a Catholic?

Last week for me. One of my friends (who was a huge drinker/smoker/partier) suddenly found Jesus and now it's all he ever talks about. I can't even have a conversation with him without it turning to his Tuesday bible studies and how I should go because I need Jesus.

Hell he gave my girlfriend 2 CDs for her birthday 2 weeks ago. Both of them were sermons about something (we haven't watched them yet).

Wow. Are you sure he's Catholic? "Bible Study" really isn't their thing. At least... in my extensive experience with Catholics.


Yeah - cradle Catholic here.  Closest thing to that that I've seen around adults is KofC meetings, maybe a Men's Club or something like that.  Usually those consist of discussing or doing activities around the church or community to improve things (fixing/maintaining grounds, preparing for a fund-raiser, etc.)

Truly, the changes Francis is making are having an impact.  He even skipped out on a big yearly concert they have that's a huge deal - sent a Nuncio with a statement that he had too much work to do fixing the whole banking issue and wasn't going to come.

I think the skepticism and derision that has been levelled at the Church in the past is warranted and valid, as is the accusations of hypocrisy against her followers.  If we're honest, it seems that the management of the See is improving and becoming more open by the day.  If - and it's an 'if' not a 'when' - this continues and current and future scandals are dealt with in the light of day, not under the cover of a Cassok, the Church might continue to be a force for good in the world and not slowly erode.  When it comes right down to it, that's what this should all be about - helping those around us that cannot help themselves.
 
2013-07-08 03:31:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: I can't even have a conversation with the guy anymore without it being turned into some way to get me (or others) to go to church.


That dude won't be Catholic very long...

Just Saying.

Most likely he'll de-convert and be on his way... or hyper-convert to a more Evangelical house of Christianity. Either way... Catholics don't roll that way and he won't last.
 
2013-07-08 03:32:19 PM

BojanglesPaladin: EdNortonsTwin: Want to spare the world from some starvation and suffering?
No!?!
Well I was going to suggest selling and leasing off some of those vatican artifacts and start distributing birth control and educating folks about STDs.
Oh well, nevermind.


A valid point, but you might want to research who, exactly are the world's largest charitable organizations, and who provides more free health care, and education to the needy in the world before you start criticizing that particular institution.


Yes,I suppose they are to a significant degree, charitable with other peoples money.  But, they are also perpetuating suffering with their lack of sex ed.

I don't doubt the charity of folks who give to the Catholic Church, but I've been to the Vatican.  It puts the Third Reichs art collection to shame.  It's a bloody vast hoard.
 
2013-07-08 03:32:24 PM

scottydoesntknow: Pray 4 Mojo: you have pee hands: I think it's more that the Jews as a group aren't really trying to enforce their beliefs on anyone

When is the last time you were proselytized to by a Catholic?

Last week for me. One of my friends (who was a huge drinker/smoker/partier) suddenly found Jesus and now it's all he ever talks about. I can't even have a conversation with him without it turning to his Tuesday bible studies and how I should go because I need Jesus.

Hell he gave my girlfriend 2 CDs for her birthday 2 weeks ago. Both of them were sermons about something (we haven't watched them yet).


Tuesday Bible studies?  Quit drinking?  Your pal sounds more like a Protestant.
 
2013-07-08 03:32:37 PM
While growing up, parents and grandparents brought me and siblings to church weekly, and we were friends with the pastor/priest/church officials to the point that on rare occasion our family would visit their home.  At some point before my teens I recognized how well their home was appointed and the type of car they drove, and how these seemed better than what we had.  And later I noticed the embellishments of the pope and the Vatican.  This began my disillusionment with the church, its message, and the omnipotent being.

Good luck to the pope on this initiative.
 
2013-07-08 03:34:13 PM

FlashHarry: The My Little Pony Killer: He needs to start with himself. He is the star of their show, after all.

i believe he is leading by example. didn't he eschew the fancy papal residence? and i do think he is calling for a thorough independent investigation of the vatican bank. it's not much, but it's something. and it's significant.


Too many people want ALL OF IT, RIGHT NOW, instead of understanding that a favorable drift in policy/behavior is actually much better in the long run, on pretty much any social policy.
 
2013-07-08 03:35:16 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: scottydoesntknow: Pray 4 Mojo: you have pee hands: I think it's more that the Jews as a group aren't really trying to enforce their beliefs on anyone

When is the last time you were proselytized to by a Catholic?

Last week for me. One of my friends (who was a huge drinker/smoker/partier) suddenly found Jesus and now it's all he ever talks about. I can't even have a conversation with him without it turning to his Tuesday bible studies and how I should go because I need Jesus.

Hell he gave my girlfriend 2 CDs for her birthday 2 weeks ago. Both of them were sermons about something (we haven't watched them yet).

Wow. Are you sure he's Catholic? "Bible Study" really isn't their thing. At least... in my extensive experience with Catholics.


Jeff Cavins does a pretty awesome Catholic Bible Study series.  He was Catholic, turned evangelical, then went back.  There's a local Catholic church that does this study and in general acts very evangelical.  Almost 50 and I think I was the youngest person there.

/evangelical
 
2013-07-08 03:35:31 PM

monkey_licker: I understand what you are saying, but that is really irrelevant. Even with all of the charitable giving we live orders of magnitude beyond 90% of the rest of the world. Even in our own backyard we have people dying of treatable diseases and going to bed hungry. It's OK to say good things are happening, but it is also OK to say much more remains to be done.

Let me also clarify - I am not Catholic. I don't know how to label myself so I won't go beyond Christian. I see many professional preachers today driving swanky cars, living in mansions and doing very little to help others compared to the wealth they posses. I also see many Christians following Supply Side Jesus and the Republican party instead of the Biblical Jesus. We need to ask ourselves hard questions about whether we worship God or Mammon.


Again, when you are talking about professional preachers in swanky cars, you are talking about prosperity gospel evangelicals not Catholics. I'm sure the local bishop drives a decent car, but I used to live next to the local catholic priest and he drove an older model crown vic. I used to live next to a diocese retreat, and every day there would be cars parked out in front, and never a Lexus or a BMW or the like.

I COMPLETELY agree that the Prosperity Gospel abomination is a terrible, poisonous distortion of Christianity, and I wish that people could see it and leave these charlatans on the street. As Bono once said "The God I believe in isn't short of cash mister."

The point is that this complaint is not really as applicable to the Catholic Church as it is to people like the Osteens. Even when a Pope or a Bishop has a gold-encrusted robe, or lives in a fancy house, those are not HIS, they are the Churches'. Catholic priests tend to have very modest means.
 
m00
2013-07-08 03:37:19 PM

CowboyJeff: Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?


I grew up in the reform branch of Judaism, and had some friends who were reconstructionist. I've seen lesbian rabbis.
 
2013-07-08 03:38:07 PM

m00: CowboyJeff: Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?

I grew up in the reform branch of Judaism, and had some friends who were reconstructionist. I've seen lesbian rabbis.


So .... uh .... is there video?

I'm asking for a friend.
 
2013-07-08 03:38:24 PM

m00: CowboyJeff: Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?

I grew up in the reform branch of Judaism, and had some friends who were reconstructionist. I've seen lesbian rabbis.


See that?
 
2013-07-08 03:42:56 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Yes,I suppose they are to a significant degree, charitable with other peoples money.


Other people's money? I assume you know how charity works and tithing and such? Is there an option for spontaneously generating money that I am unaware of?

I don't doubt the charity of folks who give to the Catholic Church, but I've been to the Vatican. It puts the Third Reichs art collection to shame. It's a bloody vast hoard.

Yes it is. And "thank god" for that. Preserved and available for people like you and me to go and see it. And so very much of it paid for, sponsored and encouraged by the Church. And so much of it donated. The Roman Catholic Church has been a patron of some of the greatest artists mankind has ever produced, and those artists created some of the most beautiful artwork ever created. From the Pieta, to the Sistine Chapel, to the Last Supper, to St. Peter's Basilica itself, what a treasure trove of priceless art.

And to think. All that beauty and treasure without a single tank.
 
2013-07-08 03:44:33 PM
As long as the Catholic schools stay open. Because as we all know Catholic School Girls Rule (NSFW)
 
2013-07-08 03:46:46 PM

BojanglesPaladin: The point is that this complaint is not really as applicable to the Catholic Church as it is to people like the Osteens. Even when a Pope or a Bishop has a gold-encrusted robe, or lives in a fancy house, those are not HIS, they are the Churches'. Catholic priests tend to have very modest means.


I don't know that it is applicable to the Catholic Church. I'd just like to expand the conversation beyond Catholicism because of my feelings about the issues of inequality in general, and how various religions deal with it specifically. I also think the conversation needs to go beyond clergy/priest/pastor/rabbi/guru to the laity. It is easy to sit back and let the "paid" staff do the hard work while we live in comfort and wealth. We are the Church as a body, not just the people on staff. It is our responsibility, not theirs.

And while I understand that the pope doesn't own the things he uses, he presents a powerful image in eschewing the trappings of wealth that have attended his position. It forces people to take a step back and engage in a bit of self examination. It may not make a substantive difference, but symbolism can be powerful in its own right.
 
2013-07-08 03:47:20 PM
I aint seen NUN of his fancy-schmancy dude wear, you know like that pointy lid he wears, on e-bay so I'm thinking
 shenanigans or worse.
 
2013-07-08 03:50:08 PM

dj_bigbird: I'll believe him when he liquidates the Vatican Bank and all of the assets of the Vatican.

/and opens the Vatican library to the public


This.
 
2013-07-08 03:50:13 PM

CowboyJeff: I really love progressives who actually expect the Catholic church to give up its 2000 doctrainal views on Marriage and Homosexuality.  As if the Church should changes its views to accomidate Western Progressives.  No one in the media says, great, now that we have a new chief Rabbi in Isreal, may be the Jews will relax its views on eating pork and working on the weekend.  No expects the Muslems to give up any of their views either.   The Pope is not evil because he is against gay marriage or gay priests, that is the doctrine of the Church.  A group that includes more than Western liberals.  You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.


A lot of this "bigotry" you speak of is from former Catholics that are no longer buying what the church is selling. I grew up Catholic. I went to Catholic school for 13 years (including Kindergarten) and I sent my two son's to 13 years of Catholic school. I have not been part of the church since the day my youngest son graduated high school. I have 4 siblings that are no longer part of the church either. The hypocrisy is at intolerable levels and I no longer want to be a part of the problem. I agree that the church shouldn't change their position on gay priests and homosexuality because that IS part of their doctrine. A doctrine just as flawed as white supremacists or any other extremist positions. I'm not part of their club either.
 
2013-07-08 03:50:38 PM
that money was only resting in my account.
 
2013-07-08 03:50:42 PM
I, for one, look forward to the Vatican selling it priceless works of art and vast quantities of gold to raise money to help the poor and sick.

But I ain't holding my breath.

The new pope tries THAT shiat and he'll mysteriously die in an unfortunate candle lighting accident or something.
 
2013-07-08 03:52:00 PM

FlashHarry: you know, i'm an atheist, but i'm really liking this pope. his focus on the poor and on setting a good example really harkens back to the mission of living a more christ-like existence.


Same here. He sure appears to be a decent guy who is actually trying to be Christ-like.
 
2013-07-08 03:53:06 PM

BojanglesPaladin: EdNortonsTwin: Yes,I suppose they are to a significant degree, charitable with other peoples money.

Other people's money? I assume you know how charity works and tithing and such? Is there an option for spontaneously generating money that I am unaware of?

I don't doubt the charity of folks who give to the Catholic Church, but I've been to the Vatican. It puts the Third Reichs art collection to shame. It's a bloody vast hoard.

Yes it is. And "thank god" for that. Preserved and available for people like you and me to go and see it. And so very much of it paid for, sponsored and encouraged by the Church. And so much of it donated. The Roman Catholic Church has been a patron of some of the greatest artists mankind has ever produced, and those artists created some of the most beautiful artwork ever created. From the Pieta, to the Sistine Chapel, to the Last Supper, to St. Peter's Basilica itself, what a treasure trove of priceless art.

And to think. All that beauty and treasure without a single tank.


How many nations were pillaged for that treasure trove, I wonder.
 
2013-07-08 03:56:12 PM
By the way, as for the "why doesn't the Catholic Church sell its art collection to feed the poor....The Catholic Church does not own its collection.  When the Italian states united into a nation in the late 19th Centtury, the Catholic church was forced to give up its land holdings in Italy (which was pretty much all of Italy).  In exchange they were given Vatican City as a seperate nation state plus a few buildings in Rome.  If you look at the Vatican's borders, they were clearly created by a committee.  As part of that deal, the Church's holdings in art were declared to be the national partimony of Italy and cannot be sold.   Given how much money they bring in tourism, it is not likely that will ever happen.
 
m00
2013-07-08 03:58:01 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: I grew up in the reform branch of Judaism, and had some friends who were reconstructionist. I've seen lesbian rabbis.

See that?


42% of Jews are Reform Jews. It's the largest branch of Judaism. Are you saying that the largest branch of Judaism does not qualify as a major religion? Just want to be clear here.
 
2013-07-08 03:58:23 PM
It's so easy to give francis a pass since he's saying things that aren't obscenely repulsive and makes happy happy joy joy sounds about being nice to poor people.

But he's still the head of a church that's sitting on billions earning interest in their own farking banks.  I realize that to do good for the masses, you need some assets to buy food and such, but there are BILLIONS of dollars that are just sitting there.

People give him credit for not living in a palace, but that palace is just sitting there, waiting for the next Pope who won't be so christ-like.  He should direct the Church to purge itself of excess wealth and put that wealth to use feeding, clothing and sheltering the poor, as Christ directed it to do.

But, they won't.  And people will be all smiles about francis when he's just mouthing platitudes and not backing it up with the sweeping changes that would draw in millions with their aversion to wealth and earthly pleasures.

They would see a church of paupers that use their vast wealth to heal the world as best as they can and 'that' would bring in more people than the gaudiest gold-gilded Church.
 
2013-07-08 03:59:35 PM

WippitGuud: Nabb1: CowboyJeff: I really love progressives who actually expect the Catholic church to give up its 2000 doctrainal views on Marriage and Homosexuality.  As if the Church should changes its views to accomidate Western Progressives.  No one in the media says, great, now that we have a new chief Rabbi in Isreal, may be the Jews will relax its views on eating pork and working on the weekend.  No expects the Muslems to give up any of their views either.   The Pope is not evil because he is against gay marriage or gay priests, that is the doctrine of the Church.  A group that includes more than Western liberals.  You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.

Every Catholic thread on this site ends up looking like a Klan rally.  Pull something like this with any other faith, and the thread would get yanked.  The fact is anti-Catholic bigotry is alive, well, and de rigeur in this country and especially on this website.

Jews and Muslims are seen more as a nationality rather than a religion, and nobody wants to be seen as racist.

Whereas Catholics are a bunch of white people who believe in an invisible sky wizard, and so are stupid.


Actually, most caltholic are not white.  The biggest populations are in Central and South America and Africa.  That is why they picked the cuurent pope from Argentina.  Second, Gd is not an "invisable sky wizard".  He is not a wizard and is not in the sky.
 
2013-07-08 04:00:37 PM

LewDux: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x296] : 2 + 2 = 9

[upload.wikimedia.org image 120x173] : 2 + 2 = 8


So, you agree it's getting better, but you made up a derpy scale to minimize the apparent improvement.

Why unskew numbers when you can just make them up arbitrarily to express your infinite displeasure.

Jesus! Just be happy for farks sake!
 
2013-07-08 04:01:23 PM

Infernalist: It's so easy to give francis a pass since he's saying things that aren't obscenely repulsive and makes happy happy joy joy sounds about being nice to poor people.

But he's still the head of a church that's sitting on billions earning interest in their own farking banks.  I realize that to do good for the masses, you need some assets to buy food and such, but there are BILLIONS of dollars that are just sitting there.

People give him credit for not living in a palace, but that palace is just sitting there, waiting for the next Pope who won't be so christ-like.  He should direct the Church to purge itself of excess wealth and put that wealth to use feeding, clothing and sheltering the poor, as Christ directed it to do.

But, they won't.  And people will be all smiles about francis when he's just mouthing platitudes and not backing it up with the sweeping changes that would draw in millions with their aversion to wealth and earthly pleasures.

They would see a church of paupers that use their vast wealth to heal the world as best as they can and 'that' would bring in more people than the gaudiest gold-gilded Church.


"I won't take this pope seriously until he starts doing what he's started to do"

It's like b*tching that because the Feds haven't sold off the Smithsonian collection and the Jefferson Memorial, we shouldn't take them seriously about trying to help the working poor or the people who don't have access to medical care.
 
m00
2013-07-08 04:03:39 PM

Aarontology: t's like b*tching that because the Feds haven't sold off the Smithsonian collection and the Jefferson Memorial, we shouldn't take them seriously about trying to help the working poor or the people who don't have access to medical care


That's a bad example because I don't think either the Republicans or the Democrats are serious about helping the working poor or people who don't have access to medical care. Last president who actually cared about people was probably Clinton.
 
HKW
2013-07-08 04:04:39 PM

blast yer scuppers: CowboyJeff: I really love progressives who actually expect the Catholic church to give up its 2000 doctrainal views on Marriage and Homosexuality.  As if the Church should changes its views to accomidate Western Progressives.  No one in the media says, great, now that we have a new chief Rabbi in Isreal, may be the Jews will relax its views on eating pork and working on the weekend.  No expects the Muslems to give up any of their views either.   The Pope is not evil because he is against gay marriage or gay priests, that is the doctrine of the Church.  A group that includes more than Western liberals.  You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.

A lot of this "bigotry" you speak of is from former Catholics that are no longer buying what the church is selling. I grew up Catholic. I went to Catholic school for 13 years (including Kindergarten) and I sent my two son's to 13 years of Catholic school. I have not been part of the church since the day my youngest son graduated high school. I have 4 siblings that are no longer part of the church either. The hypocrisy is at intolerable levels and I no longer want to be a part of the problem. I agree that the church shouldn't change their position on gay priests and homosexuality because that IS part of their doctrine. A doctrine just as flawed as white supremacists or any other extremist positions. I'm not part of their club either.


This is the resulr of making children attend something it doesnt want to do, and/or doesnt understand. You end up with the child growing up resenting what it was forced to endure and makes excuses to relieve itself of the guilt.
 
2013-07-08 04:04:53 PM

Aarontology: Infernalist: It's so easy to give francis a pass since he's saying things that aren't obscenely repulsive and makes happy happy joy joy sounds about being nice to poor people.

But he's still the head of a church that's sitting on billions earning interest in their own farking banks.  I realize that to do good for the masses, you need some assets to buy food and such, but there are BILLIONS of dollars that are just sitting there.

People give him credit for not living in a palace, but that palace is just sitting there, waiting for the next Pope who won't be so christ-like.  He should direct the Church to purge itself of excess wealth and put that wealth to use feeding, clothing and sheltering the poor, as Christ directed it to do.

But, they won't.  And people will be all smiles about francis when he's just mouthing platitudes and not backing it up with the sweeping changes that would draw in millions with their aversion to wealth and earthly pleasures.

They would see a church of paupers that use their vast wealth to heal the world as best as they can and 'that' would bring in more people than the gaudiest gold-gilded Church.

"I won't take this pope seriously until he starts doing what he's started to do"

It's like b*tching that because the Feds haven't sold off the Smithsonian collection and the Jefferson Memorial, we shouldn't take them seriously about trying to help the working poor or the people who don't have access to medical care.


Unlike the government, the Catholic Church is not a democracy and not run by popular vote.  The Pope says 'do it' and it gets done.

So he gets no slack from me.  He can simply say 'get started liquidating our excess wealth today' and it'd be breaking news around the world.

But he won't do that. So, he's not really serious about helping the poor as much as he could.  As much as he 'should'.  For the love of god, people see the Pope as the representative of GOD.  And if 'he' doesn't care enough about the poor to order the shedding of excess wealth, then let's just farking stop pretending that the Catholic Church cares about the poor.
 
2013-07-08 04:06:05 PM
Francis is alos reported to be poking around in the business of the Vatican Bank. Do ... I guess we're overdue on St. Malachy's prophecies ...
 
2013-07-08 04:06:23 PM
Can I also state the obvious.  When the Brooklyn Museum of Art mounted an exhibit called "PIss Christ", did the Archbishop of New York issue a Fawta on the muesum?  Did Catholics riot and burn down the museuum?  On Broadway there is a musical called "The Book of Morman" which mocks an important sacarament in the Morman faith. Has a Morman terrorist walked into the theatre and blown the place up?  No, infact Gov. Romney visited the play, met the cast back stage and told them he enjoyed the play.   Care to guess what would happen over a "Piss Mohmammad" or a "Book of Allah"  Sorry folks but Christians are not the enemy.  Gay Marriage and Homosexuaity are real issues that effect real people.  I am not unsympathetic, but remember, when you go to the airport you are not stripped searched because of a threat of Christian terriorism.  You are told not to bring a backpack or cooler to a public event, and it is not because of the threat of Christian terrorism. I don't know how many of you on this board are gay, but I do know that 100% of you are infidels.  Think about it....
 
2013-07-08 04:08:13 PM

grinding_journalist: quansem: /the sleeper has awakened...

Dune is one of the few movies where I can hear a line of dialogue, or see a still/clip of a scene and recite the dialogue from that point onward. (See also: Star Wars) I'm sad that the CE Blu-Ray is of such crappy quality, but what are ya gonna do?

When I get at-bats in softball, I do the "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion..." ramble; it confuses the hell out of catchers and has earned a run on an error.



Funny that.. I recite the Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear before eating at my favourite Mexican restaurant, knowing that in 45 minutes I will be expelling the Water of Life into the closest porcelain receptacle.
/ATOMICS!
 
2013-07-08 04:08:23 PM

dj_bigbird: I'll believe him when he liquidates the Vatican Bank and all of the assets of the Vatican.

/and opens the Vatican library to the public


The Vatican Bank is self-liquidating.
 
2013-07-08 04:08:31 PM

FlashHarry: The My Little Pony Killer: He needs to start with himself. He is the star of their show, after all.

i believe he is leading by example. didn't he eschew the fancy papal residence? and i do think he is calling for a thorough independent investigation of the vatican bank. it's not much, but it's something. and it's significant.


Whatever.  Call me when he sells the fancy papal residence and uses the money for contraception, sex education, and foster care for all those babies that resulted from his predecessors' going to the most dirt-poor countries and telling them to fark more (without the sin of protection).

Basically, as long as a Catholic is in charge of the Catholic church, it ain't enough.
 
2013-07-08 04:09:36 PM

raerae1980: dj_bigbird: I'll believe him when he liquidates the Vatican Bank and all of the assets of the Vatican.

/and opens the Vatican library to the public

Oh my gosh I would LOVE that!!!!     Might be enough of a draw to bring me back to the Vatican.   Honestly, they should do a start-over with their museum, as well.   How about labeling things, giving a provenance to those artifacts, loaning out objects to other museums...the Vatican does none of that.   Pissed me off as an archaeologist....


IBM digitized almost the entire Vatican Library collection a decade aago and the Vatican has it available online now.
 
2013-07-08 04:09:49 PM
HKW:
This is the resulr of making children attend something it doesnt want to do, and/or doesnt understand. You end up with the ...

except that I have no guilt about it whatsoever.
 
2013-07-08 04:10:05 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: m00: CowboyJeff: Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?

I grew up in the reform branch of Judaism, and had some friends who were reconstructionist. I've seen lesbian rabbis.

See that?


Conservative Judaism supports same-sex marriage as well.
Rabbinic Assembly Celebrates Supreme Court's Rulings on Gay Marriage
 
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