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2013-07-08 02:39:50 PM  
Poverty. Chastity. Lamborghini.
 
2013-07-08 02:40:13 PM  
HEY!  I'MMA DA POPE-A!
 
2013-07-08 02:40:38 PM  

manimal2878: The My Little Pony Killer: No, he's telling his UNDERLINGS to think about what they're doing.

Why does he even need to tell them to think about it, can't he just tell them what to do?  Or is being pope not really like being the boss of an organization.


It is, but you also have the Board of Directors (i.e. patriarchs, archbishops, etc.) to deal with, and most times they're in it for themselves or to protect their interests.

Francis is going to be butting heads with them real soon, if he hasn't already.
 
2013-07-08 02:41:00 PM  
The more I hear from this Pope the more I respect him.

/I bet he'll never come up for sainthood
 
2013-07-08 02:41:16 PM  
Count me among those atheists that think this guy is alright, as far as Popes go. It'll be interesting to see how his papacy plays out, but I'm heartened that he seems compassionate and that he embraces a large amount of humanistic values.
 
2013-07-08 02:41:33 PM  
the My Little Pony Killer:Okay, but did he then hop into his bulletproof popemobile and tool around his jewel-encrusted city?

/glass houses and stones, people


I think this pope would be more than happy to drive around in a Fiat or take the bus, but like a lot of politicians or public figures, people tend to want to kill/kidnap such persons - hence the bulletproof car.  What's so hard for you to understand?

And I believe is a donation, although I could be wrong on that.

As for the jewel-encrusted city, well, you're free to visit it anytime and see a lot of it.  Like any president or state leader, he can't sell the house or administration center he lives in (and the furniture in it) and pocket the proceeds.  There is also certainly a valid argument that having such treasures in Vatican hands is probably the best bet for Joe Schmoe ever seeing it - you know, like a museum?

If they sold it - it would probably just go into private wealthy hands and you'd never know its existence again.

So, what's your next complaint, the pedo priests?  Because the pope mobile and Vatican treasures is not your strongest argument against the church.
 
2013-07-08 02:42:00 PM  

Glitchwerks: We'll see what happens if/when Ferrari sends over one of these:

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One of the popes got an Enzo when it was produced.


He could auction it off to benefit a children's food bank.
 
2013-07-08 02:42:51 PM  

CowboyJeff: I really love progressives who actually expect the Catholic church to give up its 2000 doctrainal views on Marriage and Homosexuality.  As if the Church should changes its views to accomidate Western Progressives.  No one in the media says, great, now that we have a new chief Rabbi in Isreal, may be the Jews will relax its views on eating pork and working on the weekend.  No expects the Muslems to give up any of their views either.   The Pope is not evil because he is against gay marriage or gay priests, that is the doctrine of the Church.  A group that includes more than Western liberals.  You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.


Every Catholic thread on this site ends up looking like a Klan rally.  Pull something like this with any other faith, and the thread would get yanked.  The fact is anti-Catholic bigotry is alive, well, and de rigeur in this country and especially on this website.
 
2013-07-08 02:43:34 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, but did he then hop into his bulletproof popemobile and tool around his jewel-encrusted city?

/glass houses and stones, people


Um, Francis doesn't like using the popemobile; he also doesn't wear gem encrusted mitres. He doesn't wear the prauda shoes either. He refuses to live in the papal apartments.

I know, I know; give all the money to the poor. For one; the church's real wealth isn't in gold, it's in property. There are over 300 Catholic Churches just in Rome. Most have been around longer than the United States; for lack of a better term, they've become sacred cows.

The Vatican has billions in paintings, tapestries, sculptures, ect; it would take decades or centuries to sell it all. Plus, the art community would shiat a brick if so much as one master work was put into a private collection, never to be seen again. And many of the pieces have religious significance. Could you imagine if some Saudi prince bought michelangelo's pieta and took a shiat on the Virgin Mary's chest?
 
2013-07-08 02:44:47 PM  

Nabb1: CowboyJeff: I really love progressives who actually expect the Catholic church to give up its 2000 doctrainal views on Marriage and Homosexuality.  As if the Church should changes its views to accomidate Western Progressives.  No one in the media says, great, now that we have a new chief Rabbi in Isreal, may be the Jews will relax its views on eating pork and working on the weekend.  No expects the Muslems to give up any of their views either.   The Pope is not evil because he is against gay marriage or gay priests, that is the doctrine of the Church.  A group that includes more than Western liberals.  You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.

Every Catholic thread on this site ends up looking like a Klan rally.  Pull something like this with any other faith, and the thread would get yanked.  The fact is anti-Catholic bigotry is alive, well, and de rigeur in this country and especially on this website.


Jews and Muslims are seen more as a nationality rather than a religion, and nobody wants to be seen as racist.

Whereas Catholics are a bunch of white people who believe in an invisible sky wizard, and so are stupid.
 
2013-07-08 02:45:01 PM  
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2013-07-08 02:45:24 PM  

CowboyJeff: I really love progressives who actually expect the Catholic church to give up its 2000 doctrainal views on Marriage and Homosexuality.  As if the Church should changes its views to accomidate Western Progressives.  No one in the media says, great, now that we have a new chief Rabbi in Isreal, may be the Jews will relax its views on eating pork and working on the weekend.  No expects the Muslems to give up any of their views either.   The Pope is not evil because he is against gay marriage or gay priests, that is the doctrine of the Church. A group that includes more than Western liberals.  You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.


That's fine, then keep it in the church. It's when he and many, many other christians use their influence to actually get anti-homosexual laws established that people get upset about.

No one is campaigning rabbis to let Jews eat pork, but if a Rabbi started to push to make pork illegal for everyone, then you'd have a problem.
 
2013-07-08 02:46:15 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Did the college even know what Jesuit meant when they elected this guy?


Apparently not. But they're learning.
 
2013-07-08 02:46:20 PM  

WippitGuud: Whereas Catholics are a bunch of white people who believe in an invisible sky wizard, and so are stupid.


I take it you've never been to Mexico.
 
2013-07-08 02:46:30 PM  

FlashHarry: you know, i'm an atheist, but i'm really liking this pope. his focus on the poor and on setting a good example really harkens back to the mission of living a more christ-like existence.


Same. The Catholic church is never going to accept gay marriage (or contraceptives, let's be honest), but at least this guy isn't a total all-around douche. The Cardinals could've picked a much, much worse alternative.
 
2013-07-08 02:46:33 PM  

CowboyJeff: You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.


Firstly I think the level of hate directed toward Catholicism is reasonably on a par with every other religion. I say reasonably because we live in a christian hemisphere, there is always going to be more focus and talk on Christianity and Catholicism than there is Islam, simply because it affects us more. Secondly Catholicism has a lot to answer for, and people rightly bring it up whenever they get the chance. It's not like this is a thread about a new car that has become hijacked by anti-catholic zealots saying a bunch of lies about Catholicism. In fact aren't most of the comments here supportive of the new pope? I think they are.

I do agree with you though that such a radical change isn't going to happen, but that doesn't mean I can't want it to happen. But just to please you I will stand up and say Jews should eat pork and work on the weekend, like everyone else. Ultimately because there is no god and they're wasting their lives needlessly. A life without being able to feast and taste of all of natures wondrous marvels is a life wasted. Good day sir.
 
2013-07-08 02:48:45 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: No, he's telling his UNDERLINGS to think about what they're doing. He needs to start with himself. He is the star of their show, after all.


Maybe you should read up on this Pope, He kinda already is.
 
2013-07-08 02:49:10 PM  
WippitGuud:

Jews and Muslims are seen more as a nationality rather than a religion, and nobody wants to be seen as racist.

Whereas Catholics are a bunch of white people who believe in an invisible sky wizard, and so are stupid.


Hate to break the news to you, but the Catholic Church is international and includes many different ethnicities.
 
2013-07-08 02:49:55 PM  

Nabb1: Every Catholic thread on this site ends up looking like a Klan rally. Pull something like this with any other faith, and the thread would get yanked. The fact is anti-Catholic bigotry is alive, well, and de rigeur in this country and especially on this website.


Hey now, we give out plenty of Jew hate here too

dontbanme

simplicimus: IdBeCrazyIf: Did the college even know what Jesuit meant when they elected this guy?

Apparently not. But they're learning.


Yes we are going to elect a guy who spent his days in service as a pauper and comes from a sect of our religion that was originally thrown out for challenging church authority for not helping people and he so totally won't challenge our well established norms.

Winning
 
2013-07-08 02:50:10 PM  

scottydoesntknow: That's fine, then keep it in the church. It's when he and many, many other christians use their influence to actually get anti-homosexual laws established that people get upset about.


Anyone have a chart of which christian denomination most Republicans are? Honestly, I'd be shocked if the majority was Catholic.
 
2013-07-08 02:50:22 PM  
torr5962:
Catholic Church was never about helping the poor; it was only about spreading the religion. Look at Mother Theresa.

Glad to see this Pope is attempting to be different.


I dunno.  I went to a catholic soup kitchen in LA a couple months ago for volunteering.  Been there a few times.  People line up and get fed.  No literature, no sermonizing.  Other than the name on the door denoting some affiliation and a cross on the wall I think in the serving area.  I'm not sure how any person who was eating there would have had any idea its a catholic charity.

Catholics can be easily criticized about many things, but being aggressive missionaries in the modern period is not one of them.
 
2013-07-08 02:50:48 PM  

SirEattonHogg: So, what's your next complaint, the pedo priests?  Because the pope mobile and Vatican treasures is not your strongest argument against the church.


Isn't there something in the Bible about a rich man and a camel and the eye of a needle? Why do they have all that shiat in the first place?  There's also a line about how you should pray by yourself in private and not make a big spectacle about it.

I'm not just picking on the Catholics, most religious people are hypocritical. Except maybe the Amish but all I know about them is what I saw from "Witness" and "Kingpin".
 
2013-07-08 02:51:31 PM  

Nabb1: CowboyJeff: I really love progressives who actually expect the Catholic church to give up its 2000 doctrainal views on Marriage and Homosexuality.  As if the Church should changes its views to accomidate Western Progressives.  No one in the media says, great, now that we have a new chief Rabbi in Isreal, may be the Jews will relax its views on eating pork and working on the weekend.  No expects the Muslems to give up any of their views either.   The Pope is not evil because he is against gay marriage or gay priests, that is the doctrine of the Church.  A group that includes more than Western liberals.  You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.

Every Catholic thread on this site ends up looking like a Klan rally.  Pull something like this with any other faith, and the thread would get yanked.  The fact is anti-Catholic bigotry is alive, well, and de rigeur in this country and especially on this website.


Most of it is just trolling. Which is supposed to be illegal on Fark.com.

/I blame the Jews for a lack of enforcement of the rules about trolling.
 
2013-07-08 02:51:47 PM  

Diogenes: The Vatican has been a corrupt institution for how long?

This guy's been Pope for how long?

I think his pace is lightning fast so far, considering those two factors alone.


DammitIForgotMyLogin: FlashHarry: you know, i'm an atheist, but i'm really liking this pope. his focus on the poor and on setting a good example really harkens back to the mission of living a more christ-like existence.

If it weren't for some of his comments about gay marriage and adoption, I might agree with you

 
I think his first priorities are church reform, and the poor... He's doing quite well by leading by example and actually getting out among the people and that's making the news.. Be nice if he got around to softening the tone and condemnation but he's already shaken the church organization with his untraditional choices...
 
2013-07-08 02:51:56 PM  

CowboyJeff: I really love progressives who actually expect the Catholic church to give up its 2000 doctrainal views on Marriage and Homosexuality.  As if the Church should changes its views to accomidate Western Progressives.  No one in the media says, great, now that we have a new chief Rabbi in Isreal, may be the Jews will relax its views on eating pork and working on the weekend.  No expects the Muslems to give up any of their views either.   The Pope is not evil because he is against gay marriage or gay priests, that is the doctrine of the Church.  A group that includes more than Western liberals.  You know, I love Fark, and have been on since the beginning, but I am really sick of the rank anti-Catholic bigotry that exists on this site.  No one would tolerate any comments like this against Jews, so why all the hate against Catholics?  Every major religon preaches against homosexulaity and gay marriage, so why pick on Catholics?  Drew, seriously, I know that you are looking for more commerical sponsors ont this page, please consider that attacking Christians is not "hip" its is just biogtry.


A. They are the largest single religious denomination on the planet. In so being, they are the most visible and the most vocal.
B. They have been rocked by serious scandals in the past twenty years, which makes them seem quite hypocritical.
C. Catholics aren't going to murder you if you insult the Pope.
D. Plenty of other Christian denominations are insulted for their beliefs, though these are mainly thrown at "Christians" or "evangelicals" in general, rather than the particular denomination to which the insulted people belong.
 
2013-07-08 02:52:01 PM  
Nabb1:
Every Catholic thread on this site ends up looking like a Klan rally.  Pull something like this with any other faith, and the thread would get yanked.  The fact is anti-Catholic bigotry is alive, well, and de rigeur in this country and especially on this website.

It's almost like the Catholic Church is an institution with a definitive identity and policies, and a nation, with leadership, not a loose affiliation of individuals who share some, but not all beliefs.  But that's not true, so criticizing them is exactly the same as bigotry.
 
2013-07-08 02:52:05 PM  

Glitchwerks: One of the popes got an Enzo when it was produced.


Yeah. About that....

Ferrari's 400th Enzo, which it originally donated to Pope John Paul II before his death, has been sold by Ferrari at Sotheby's to an unnamed American rich dude for $1.1 million, twice the going rate. The company then gave the money to Pope Benedict XVI for humanitarian relief.
 
2013-07-08 02:52:25 PM  
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2013-07-08 02:52:45 PM  

I must admit, against all better judgement, I like this Pope.

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2013-07-08 02:53:21 PM  

simplicimus: WippitGuud:

Jews and Muslims are seen more as a nationality rather than a religion, and nobody wants to be seen as racist.

Whereas Catholics are a bunch of white people who believe in an invisible sky wizard, and so are stupid.

Hate to break the news to you, but the Catholic Church is international and includes many different ethnicities.


Yes.
But the majority of posters on Fark (and in the political tab) tend to be American. A Jew is from Israel. A Muslim is from the Middle East. A Catholic is that guy down the street. He's fair game, can't be called racists for attacking him.
 
2013-07-08 02:53:30 PM  

WippitGuud: scottydoesntknow: That's fine, then keep it in the church. It's when he and many, many other christians use their influence to actually get anti-homosexual laws established that people get upset about.

Anyone have a chart of which christian denomination most Republicans are? Honestly, I'd be shocked if the majority was Catholic.


Protestantism in general (Mainly because the US is mostly Protestant) made up of various sects. If I had to guess, I would guess Baptists, Pentecostals, and the non denominational evangelicals.

As a side note, the single largest denomination in the US is Catholicism, then Baptists, then atheists (not to say atheism is a religion, i don't want to have that debate, but interns of what people believe when it comes to religion)
 
2013-07-08 02:54:05 PM  

quansem: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 558x387]


no way.
 
2013-07-08 02:54:15 PM  
H

dj_bigbird: I'll believe him when he liquidates the Vatican Bank and all of the assets of the Vatican.

/and opens the Vatican library to the public


He just might.  He's made statements to that effect and has recently started an investigation at the bank and appointed someone like him to get on the inside.  It's harder than it looks I bet though.  Other things he's done:

Washed feet of women.  That's a pretty big deal actually.
Said have married priests was only a matter of "policy" change.
Fired the entire bureaucracy.  Well not really but I believe what happens is they all voluntarily resign with every Pope and then are reappointed.  I don't believe he has reinstated them yet.

This is lightning level speeds of change for that institution.
 
2013-07-08 02:55:13 PM  
Way.
 
2013-07-08 02:55:29 PM  

simplicimus: WippitGuud:

Jews and Muslims are seen more as a nationality rather than a religion, and nobody wants to be seen as racist.

Whereas Catholics are a bunch of white people who believe in an invisible sky wizard, and so are stupid.

Hate to break the news to you, but the Catholic Church is international and includes many different ethnicities.


Here's a link to where the Catholics are:  http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_rom_cat_by_cou_rom_cat_cat-reli g ion-roman-catholicism-country-catholic
 
2013-07-08 02:55:44 PM  

iheartscotch: The Vatican has billions in paintings, tapestries, sculptures, ect; it would take decades or centuries to sell it all.


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You looking to sell quickly?  I can help!
 
2013-07-08 02:56:00 PM  

Aarontology: WippitGuud: scottydoesntknow: That's fine, then keep it in the church. It's when he and many, many other christians use their influence to actually get anti-homosexual laws established that people get upset about.

Anyone have a chart of which christian denomination most Republicans are? Honestly, I'd be shocked if the majority was Catholic.

Protestantism in general (Mainly because the US is mostly Protestant) made up of various sects. If I had to guess, I would guess Baptists, Pentecostals, and the non denominational evangelicals.

As a side note, the single largest denomination in the US is Catholicism, then Baptists, then atheists (not to say atheism is a religion, i don't want to have that debate, but interns of what people believe when it comes to religion)


Historically, Catholics tend to vote Democratic.  I think that still holds, but I don't think the margin is enormously wide.
 
2013-07-08 02:56:05 PM  

Nabb1: Every Catholic thread on this site ends up looking like a Klan rally.  Pull something like this with any other faith, and the thread would get yanked.  The fact is anti-Catholic bigotry is alive, well, and de rigeur in this country and especially on this website.


What would you think of Microsoft if it was well documented that their executives were molesting children and instead of having them arrested or even fired, they were simply relocated around so they couldn't get caught? What would you think of people who knew about this but still gave them money? Would people who were opposed to these practices be called bigots, anti-Microsites?
 
2013-07-08 02:56:09 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Did the college even know what Jesuit meant when they elected this guy?


I'm hoping they do and that's why they did it.

/would not want to try to assassinate a Jesuit
//bastard is apt to shoot first, straighter and have a larger weapon
 
2013-07-08 02:56:47 PM  
Why limit the discussion to clergy? I think all Christians should think more deeply about their material consumption. Many of the resources going to fancy "things" could be going to help those who don't even have the basics. We need to stop telling everyone else how they should be living their lives and reach out in love to make sure their needs are met. Then maybe we can talk about issues of faith and spirituality.
 
2013-07-08 02:57:07 PM  

WippitGuud: scottydoesntknow: That's fine, then keep it in the church. It's when he and many, many other christians use their influence to actually get anti-homosexual laws established that people get upset about.

Anyone have a chart of which christian denomination most Republicans are? Honestly, I'd be shocked if the majority was Catholic.


Per wiki: Currently, 24 of the 100 U.S. Senators are Catholics (15 Democrats, 9 Republicans). 132 of the 435 members of the House of Representatives are Catholics. The Speaker of the House, Republican John Boehner of Ohio, is Catholic. Vice President Joe Biden is also a Catholic, the first ever to be elected to the Vice Presidency.
 
2013-07-08 02:57:40 PM  

WippitGuud: Anyone have a chart of which christian denomination most Republicans are?


Only one Catholic President. More Presidents have been Episcopalian than any other denomination, followed by Presbyterian as I recall.

Both GW Bush and Hillary Clinton are Methodist.

Where are we going with this again?
 
2013-07-08 02:57:56 PM  
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2013-07-08 02:58:18 PM  

Nabb1: Historically, Catholics tend to vote Democratic. I think that still holds, but I don't think the margin is enormously wide.


I *think* it's like a 55-45 split, but I could be wrong. Might even be closer than that.
 
2013-07-08 02:58:23 PM  

Mugato: Nabb1: Every Catholic thread on this site ends up looking like a Klan rally.  Pull something like this with any other faith, and the thread would get yanked.  The fact is anti-Catholic bigotry is alive, well, and de rigeur in this country and especially on this website.

What would you think of Microsoft if it was well documented that their executives were molesting children and instead of having them arrested or even fired, they were simply relocated around so they couldn't get caught? What would you think of people who knew about this but still gave them money? Would people who were opposed to these practices be called bigots, anti-Microsites?


I think the US has committed a number of atrocities throughout history and yet I still believe it to be one of the best countries in the world and am proud to live here.  Do I want the Church to come to grips with that scandal and make sure it never happens again?  Absolutely, and so do the vast majority of Catholics.
 
2013-07-08 02:59:40 PM  

Aarontology: Nabb1: Historically, Catholics tend to vote Democratic. I think that still holds, but I don't think the margin is enormously wide.

I *think* it's like a 55-45 split, but I could be wrong. Might even be closer than that.


Those are the same numbers I was kicking around in my head (55 D to 45 R).

scottydoesntknow: WippitGuud: scottydoesntknow: That's fine, then keep it in the church. It's when he and many, many other christians use their influence to actually get anti-homosexual laws established that people get upset about.

Anyone have a chart of which christian denomination most Republicans are? Honestly, I'd be shocked if the majority was Catholic.

Per wiki: Currently, 24 of the 100 U.S. Senators are Catholics (15 Democrats, 9 Republicans). 132 of the 435 members of the House of Representatives are Catholics. The Speaker of the House, Republican John Boehner of Ohio, is Catholic. Vice President Joe Biden is also a Catholic, the first ever to be elected to the Vice Presidency.


So is former Speaker and current Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.
 
2013-07-08 03:00:21 PM  
This pope is a great guy! Especially his support of the right wing military junta in Argentina! Awesome, standup guy!
 
2013-07-08 03:00:52 PM  

WippitGuud: Yes.
But the majority of posters on Fark (and in the political tab) tend to be American. A Jew is from Israel. A Muslim is from the Middle East. A Catholic is that guy down the street. He's fair game, can't be called racists for attacking him.


I think it's more that the Jews as a group aren't really trying to enforce their beliefs on anyone, except the Zionists, and they do get lots of shiat in every Israel thread..  Muslims are a pretty amorphous group.  Lots of the individual middle Muslim groups get attacked but there's not really a single guy who represents the Muslim world the same way the Pope represents Catholics.
 
2013-07-08 03:02:13 PM  

Nabb1: Historically, Catholics tend to vote Democratic.  I think that still holds, but I don't think the margin is enormously wide.


http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Vote d- 2012-Preliminary-Exit-Poll-Analysis.aspx

White Catholics are pretty evenly split, Hispanic Catholics are solidly Democratic (zomg racism!) just as white protestants are solidly Republican (::crickets::).
 
2013-07-08 03:03:28 PM  

Aarontology: I *think* it's like a 55-45 split, but I could be wrong. Might even be closer than that.


Its a pretty close split with a large demographic being working class industrial revolution immigrant families. They vote strong on labor issues but don't wear social values on their arm like evangelicals do.

So you can blame the Irish for the confusion
 
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