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(Detroit Free Press)   Bring a gun to a courthouse? The consequences depend on who you know   (freep.com) divider line 23
    More: Obvious, Betty Petrenz, gun permits, Eastern District, guns  
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2013-07-08 01:26:13 PM
Because Cons, Neocons, RINOs, Libertarians, Independants, Teapartiers, Teaheadists, etc get all uppity when people don't immediately come against stuff like this:

It was wrong, and she should face jail time like anyone else.
 
2013-07-08 01:30:13 PM
www.hourdetroit.com

On the right
Another woman, a real estate agent who was headed to bankruptcy court and had a gun in her purse (she had just shown a property), was criminally charged. Her gun permit had expired. She eventually got diversion

Sounds cromulent
 
2013-07-08 01:30:25 PM
That's less an indictment of cronyism and favoritism than it is a shot at the ridiculous over-prosecution and over-punishment for bringing weapons into restricted places unintentionally and/or without malice.

If someone doesn't have a malicious intent then what's the farking point of throwing the book at them?
 
2013-07-08 01:30:50 PM
I don't really get it... I'm not seeing too severe of a penalty anywhere in there.  There were fines that were dropped and 2 people got fired/quit (because when you work at the courthouse you better know better).  I'm not seeing any severe swing in charges.  I was expecting like "4 years in prison" vs "fine dropped"
 
2013-07-08 01:32:20 PM

cefm: That's less an indictment of cronyism and favoritism than it is a shot at the ridiculous over-prosecution and over-punishment for bringing weapons into restricted places unintentionally and/or without malice.

If someone doesn't have a malicious intent then what's the farking point of throwing the book at them?


this
 
2013-07-08 01:32:54 PM

Harry Freakstorm: [www.hourdetroit.com image 500x334]

On the right
Another woman, a real estate agent who was headed to bankruptcy court and had a gun in her purse (she had just shown a property), was criminally charged. Her gun permit had expired. She eventually got diversion

Sounds cromulent


Sounds like she got the same treatment as a US Rep.
 
2013-07-08 01:32:58 PM
"John Conyers' clerk busted with gun in courthouse"

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"CLOSE ENOUGH!"
 
2013-07-08 01:34:58 PM
Meh...

The three counter examples they give:

Case 1: Court Employee fired by court for breaking employment rules, no mention of criminal charges.
Case 2: Clerk resigned, no mention of charges being filed.
Case 3: Charged but got the same sentence as the subject of TFA, had additional issues with expired gun permit.
 
2013-07-08 01:36:00 PM
Well cops carry guns in courthouses and yet regular citizens can't.  It just isn't fair.
 
2013-07-08 01:37:26 PM

cefm: That's less an indictment of cronyism and favoritism than it is a shot at the ridiculous over-prosecution and over-punishment for bringing weapons into restricted places unintentionally and/or without malice.

If someone doesn't have a malicious intent then what's the farking point of throwing the book at them?


A) Do you know what intent they truly had? Are we going to try to guess what people's intent was for everything. We do use intent for the penalty but not for guilty non-guilty sometimes.
B) People need to take responsibility for their own actions and not be given a pass because they were lazy and they screwed up.
C) As a warning to others so they can't just go "Well if i get caught I will just say it was a mistake". Really you think people will go "Oh, yeah I was planning to shoot someone, you got me!"
 
2013-07-08 01:38:14 PM
The proposed bill is a reaction to the back-to-back shooting deaths of two Texas prosecutors: one who was gunned down in a parking lot a block from the courthouse, the other who was shot and killed at his home, along with his wife.

 So, since two people were shot in places other than the court house, it needs to be illegal to bring guns to the court house... huh?

 I'm not saying that not having guns in the courthouse isn't a good idea. But the reason they're using makes as much sense as blaming blueberries for the previous shootings.
 
2013-07-08 01:38:29 PM

Target Builder: Meh...

The three counter examples they give:

Case 1: Court Employee fired by court for breaking employment rules, no mention of criminal charges.
Case 2: Clerk resigned, no mention of charges being filed.
Case 3: Charged but got the same sentence as the subject of TFA, had additional issues with expired gun permit.


Good point employment rules are much different.
 
2013-07-08 01:39:12 PM
In April, a U.S. senator from Texas introduced federal legislation that would let prosecutors and judges carry weapons in courtrooms and other federal buildings for self-protection.

So the prosecution gets to go to court armed but the defense does not?
 
2013-07-08 01:39:26 PM
So there are places in Detroit without guns? I would have lost that bet.
 
2013-07-08 01:51:24 PM
I believe that all people should be treated equally under the law. Wherever the police can carry I need to be able to also.
 
2013-07-08 01:52:35 PM

ChrisDe: So there are places in Detroit without guns? I would have lost that bet.


It has guns, but they restrict who can bring them in.

Question: since guns aren't allowed in courtrooms (understandable) how about setting up a weapon locker system near the entrance for the legally carrying folks? Charge a $2 fee and it would help offset the other security cost.
 
2013-07-08 01:53:36 PM
FTFA:  ...all court employees historically have been subjected to screening before entering the building, but ... About a year ago, security officers tried a new approach whereby they would do random searches of court employees.  But after about two months of random searches, three people were found bringing guns to work...That led to going back to the old way of screening everyone 100% of the time

So for years employees were screened at the door so they couldn't bring guns in, then the court implements an honor system with random searches and within two months they catch three different idiots packing guns? Did all these people claim to have forgotten their office's "no guns allowed" policy that had been in effect for years, or what?
 
2013-07-08 01:59:17 PM

cefm: That's less an indictment of cronyism and favoritism than it is a shot at the ridiculous over-prosecution and over-punishment for bringing weapons into restricted places unintentionally and/or without malice.

If someone doesn't have a malicious intent then what's the farking point of throwing the book at them?


Because they get more money? Don't forget to pay those taxes, citizen. (Or we'll throw the book at you.)
 
2013-07-08 02:04:36 PM
...depend on who you know.

Welcome to the real world, subby
 
2013-07-08 02:30:32 PM

lack of warmth: ChrisDe: So there are places in Detroit without guns? I would have lost that bet.

It has guns, but they restrict who can bring them in.

Question: since guns aren't allowed in courtrooms (understandable) how about setting up a weapon locker system near the entrance for the legally carrying folks? Charge a $2 fee and it would help offset the other security cost.


This should be required by law for all federal property (and any other "no-gun" areas).  Non-LEO federal employees can not carry to work if they use public transportation because there is nowhere to store it prior to entering a federal building.  While at work the federal government is liable for my personal safety.  Without the lockers, they should also be responsible for my personal safety while commuting.
 
2013-07-08 02:44:43 PM

INeedAName: Because Cons, Neocons, RINOs, Libertarians, Independants, Teapartiers, Teaheadists, etc get all uppity when people don't immediately come against stuff like this:

It was wrong, and she should face jail time like anyone else.


. . . the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It wasn't wrong and it shouldn't be illegal.
 
2013-07-08 02:45:27 PM

nickerj1: lack of warmth: ChrisDe: So there are places in Detroit without guns? I would have lost that bet.

It has guns, but they restrict who can bring them in.

Question: since guns aren't allowed in courtrooms (understandable) how about setting up a weapon locker system near the entrance for the legally carrying folks? Charge a $2 fee and it would help offset the other security cost.

This should be required by law for all federal property (and any other "no-gun" areas).  Non-LEO federal employees can not carry to work if they use public transportation because there is nowhere to store it prior to entering a federal building.  While at work the federal government is liable for my personal safety.  Without the lockers, they should also be responsible for my personal safety while commuting.


This. I gave up on seeing the Liberty Bell because I had no place to store my 2" pocket knife I knew they'd have a fit about me having.
 
2013-07-08 05:50:42 PM
I guess a lot of people tend to hold grudges...
(sunglasses)
Against those judges...
 
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