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2013-07-08 02:04:51 PM
I hate the TSA as much as the next person (or even more since I fly much more often than most), but what do you expect them to do here?  They have not gone through immigration and customs at this point.  Yeah, it sucks, but you have to check their paperwork before letting them through.

Unless you're coming from Mexico.  Then fark the rules, right?
 
2013-07-08 02:05:07 PM
Whats asinine here subby?

Despite the word count, the article contained little information.  All I could glean is that the TSA didn't allow a free-for-all in the international terminal in terms of letting passengers and alleged family members come and go as they please.
 
2013-07-08 02:06:47 PM

LandOfChocolate: Whats asinine here subby?

Despite the word count, the article contained little information.  All I could glean is that the TSA didn't allow a free-for-all in the international terminal in terms of letting passengers and alleged family members come and go as they please.


I agree. That was a poorly written article, and what I understood is that the TSA actually didn't screw with people on the level they normally do.

/false flag comments on TFA made me laugh though
 
2013-07-08 02:07:53 PM
The TSA should be put down like a rabid dog. Along with any agency with the word 'homeland' in its title.
 
2013-07-08 02:09:41 PM
Simmer down TSA, Asiana is doing just fine at separating families on their own.
 
2013-07-08 02:09:47 PM
Good job, TSA.

Idiots.
 
2013-07-08 02:11:02 PM

LandOfChocolate: Whats asinine here subby?

Despite the word count, the article contained little information.  All I could glean is that the TSA didn't allow a free-for-all in the international terminal in terms of letting passengers and alleged family members come and go as they please.


The five hour delay caused the consternation.  Sure, the TSA was likely doing their jobs, but their glacier-like pace annoys us even in the best of circumstances.  This was a plane crash. Who wouldn't be frantic?
 
2013-07-08 02:15:16 PM

YouFarkingIdiot: I hate the TSA as much as the next person (or even more since I fly much more often than most), but what do you expect them to do here?  They have not gone through immigration and customs at this point.  Yeah, it sucks, but you have to check their paperwork before letting them through.

Unless you're coming from Mexico.  Then fark the rules, right?


You didn't criticize the TSA at all opportunities? Burn the heretic!
 
2013-07-08 02:15:29 PM
It could have been handled better by quickly allowing people to reunite in an area, then checking them as they left, sparing the emotional trauma.

Oh, and perhaps after a tragedy you act like human beings and remember that security theater is not important.
 
2013-07-08 02:15:42 PM

YouFarkingIdiot: I hate the TSA as much as the next person (or even more since I fly much more often than most), but what do you expect them to do here?  They have not gone through immigration and customs at this point.  Yeah, it sucks, but you have to check their paperwork before letting them through.

Unless you're coming from Mexico.  Then fark the rules, right?


TSA and CBP are two separate agencies. But since you fly so much, you already knew that.
 
2013-07-08 02:19:00 PM
Thanks, LA Times.
 
2013-07-08 02:20:40 PM
Security, shmemurity- if my wife and I were in this crash and some TSA dickhole was keeping me from finding her, there would be some faces punched. No if's, and's or but's. I'd deal with the concequences after I ascertained her whereabouts/safety, etc.
 
2013-07-08 02:23:54 PM

LessO2: TSA and CBP are two separate agencies. But since you fly so much, you already knew that.


Maybe, just maybe the fact that this was not a typical immigration and customs scenario (for example, people who lost their IDs in the crash) could explain the difference from standard procedure...
 
2013-07-08 02:25:21 PM
They go through CBP at the airport also.
If you want to avoid the TSA / CBP mess , cross at the Mexican border.
 
2013-07-08 02:26:24 PM
Anyone read the comments?
You've been played, sheeple. Again. It's a hoax, just like everything else we see on the news these days.

/false flag ftw
 
2013-07-08 02:29:26 PM
Article comments: Come for the herp, stay for the DERP.
 
2013-07-08 02:32:18 PM

darch: Security, shmemurity- if my wife and I were in this crash and some TSA dickhole was keeping me from finding her, there would be some faces punched. No if's, and's or but's. I'd deal with the concequences after I ascertained her whereabouts/safety, etc.


This attitude is probably why it took so long.  A bunch of unruly people yelling and shoving isn't going to make things go smoother.

/if that even happened.
 
2013-07-08 02:33:19 PM

darch: Security, shmemurity- if my wife and I were in this crash and some TSA dickhole was keeping me from finding her, there would be some faces punched. No if's, and's or but's. I'd deal with the concequences after I ascertained her whereabouts/safety, etc.


wegotabadass.gif

So, if she were dead, punching faces and seeing her 30 minutes earlier than you would have would bring her back to life.  And if she were alive, punching faces would ensure her continued survival.  Also, who knew that getting past airport security was as simple as punching faces?  Maybe not for everyone, but certainly for a badass like you.

You sound like you should be on the no-fly list already, nutbar.
 
2013-07-08 02:33:58 PM
Honestly here, I don't see what subby and some of you are crying about. At this point the investigation is still wide open, and of course they are concerned about and trying to secure against potential bombs, other crimes, unrelated people entering the secure area and then exploiting the situation to gain access to other areas, and the elusive unknown "x" factors that you can't predict.

You same arsebrains would be biatchin and crying that "omggg teh tsa should have been more careful n stuffs" if another tragedy or terrorist exploit occurred.
 
2013-07-08 02:37:03 PM
Did the TSA race out to the runway to grope, taze and steal from them them as they came down the emergency shoot?
 
2013-07-08 02:38:51 PM

Precision Boobery: darch: Security, shmemurity- if my wife and I were in this crash and some TSA dickhole was keeping me from finding her, there would be some faces punched. No if's, and's or but's. I'd deal with the concequences after I ascertained her whereabouts/safety, etc.

wegotabadass.gif

So, if she were dead, punching faces and seeing her 30 minutes earlier than you would have would bring her back to life.  And if she were alive, punching faces would ensure her continued survival.  Also, who knew that getting past airport security was as simple as punching faces?  Maybe not for everyone, but certainly for a badass like you.

You sound like you should be on the no-fly list already, nutbar.


Perhaps I misstated things a bit. I meant that if it became obvious to me that I was being needlessly held up in reuniting with my wife, I would become agitated. If I saw that things, IMO, were proceeding with some semblance of sense, no problem.
 
2013-07-08 02:40:14 PM
"Hundreds of family members in the throes of emotional trauma unlike anything they have ever experienced before rush to the airport not knowing whether their loved ones are dead, alive or critically injured, and the TSA's first thought is to carry out grope downs on all of them, despite the fact that they are not even boarding a plane.

"Imagine your spouse, parent, child or sibling was on that plane but you had no idea whether your beloved was dead or alive, in one piece or several. And the TSA's always tenderhearted, sensitive goons are standing between you and finding out," writes Becky Akers.

Why not just let the passengers who were on the plane back through to the other side of the security area? This would have negated the need to screen anyone and saved hours of pointless harassment for those already laboring under emotional turmoil. It would also have eliminated any security concerns."

So, what's you answer to that, everyone who's defending the TSA? Let those who were on the plane OUT (or at least to an unsecured area), so they can meet with family members. Why search people who aren't even going to be boarding a plane??
 
2013-07-08 02:43:07 PM
If I was on that plane I would have left the scene and started a new life.
 
2013-07-08 02:48:00 PM

fullyautomatic: Honestly here, I don't see what subby and some of you are crying about.


The TSA is searching family members (who aren't even trying to board a plane!) before letting them through to see if their loved ones are alive or not, and you don't see what's wrong?

At this point the investigation is still wide open, and of course they are concerned about and trying to secure against potential bombs, other crimes, unrelated people entering the secure area and then exploiting the situation to gain access to other areas, and the elusive unknown "x" factors that you can't predict.

Yes, because the terrorists (what terrorists? You are literally more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist) had this plan to crash a plane in order to set up a situation where they could, in the chaos that followed, access areas of the airport that shouldn't... in order to.. crash a plane??
 
2013-07-08 02:55:53 PM

abhorrent1: Did the TSA race out to the runway to grope, taze and steal from them them as they came down the emergency shoot?


Did you mean chute or is this a 2nd amendment thing?
 
2013-07-08 02:55:57 PM

darch: Perhaps I misstated things a bit.


A bit? "Security, shmemurity- if my wife and I were in this crash and some TSA dickhole was keeping me from finding her, there would be some faces punched. No if's, and's or but's. I'd deal with the concequences after I ascertained her whereabouts/safety, etc." is pretty much the exact opposite of "if it became obvious to me that I was being needlessly held up in reuniting with my wife, I would become agitated. If I saw that things, IMO, were proceeding with some semblance of sense, no problem."
 
2013-07-08 03:08:47 PM
Subtlety is not my strong suit, admittedly.
 
2013-07-08 03:13:09 PM
Shouldn't ICE of handled that situation and not the TSA?
 
2013-07-08 03:14:39 PM
Thiiiiis is what happens when a country's security theater is in the hands of folks who aren't even employable at Popeye's. I'd rather have them back on food stamps instead of fondling children and pocketing valuables.
Any boot licker that defends these animals is either a thief or a pedophile if not both.
 
2013-07-08 03:18:17 PM

rkiller1: abhorrent1: Did the TSA race out to the runway to grope, taze and steal from them them as they came down the emergency shoot?

Did you mean chute or is this a 2nd amendment thing?


Yes and Yes
 
2013-07-08 03:49:15 PM
*Link to Patton Oswalt video skit where he talks about surviving a plane crash*

/Can't find
//Lazy Monday
 
2013-07-08 04:01:25 PM
Were the survivors being held in some special area that required special access? Because if these family members were just trying to bypass the normal security theater lines, they did it wrong. Those just look for photo ID and a boarding pass. A great many of those are printed at home by the people who are going through the lines. On computers that generally do as instructed.

It probably would have been relatively simple if only you had a boarding pass for "ME" on "A FLIGHT IN A COUPLE OF HOURS"

Signed, "YOUR MOM"
 
2013-07-08 04:09:03 PM
Now that you've crashed we must peer into your panties.
 
2013-07-08 04:22:09 PM
My first reaction after reading the headline was:
"What? One of the spouses enjoyed the fondling too much?!"
 
2013-07-08 04:34:25 PM
CATSA disclosed the following Airport Screening Results

December 2012 Statistics On Airport Full Body Screening From CATSA :

Terrorists Discovered

0

Transvestites

133

Hernias

1,485

Hemorrhoid Cases

3,172

Enlarged Prostates

8,249

Breast Implants

59,350

Natural Blondes

3

It was also discovered that 308 politicians had no balls.

Thought you'd like to know.
 
2013-07-08 04:45:04 PM

cheyanne9: FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: CATSA disclosed the following Airport Screening Results

December 2012 Statistics On Airport Full Body Screening From CATSA :

Terrorists Discovered

0

Transvestites

133

Hernias

1,485

Hemorrhoid Cases

3,172

Enlarged Prostates

8,249

Breast Implants

59,350

Natural Blondes

3

It was also discovered that 308 politicians had no balls.

Thought you'd like to know.


FIFY
 
2013-07-08 05:05:35 PM
What I've never been able to figure out in all of my air travels (post-September 11, 2001) is why there are always lines for security and at the border.

There is this really crazy thing that airlines have, called schedules. TSA receives lists of all the people who are traveling and on which flights. They know exactly how many people need to be screened. Why don't they ever staff appropriately?

Yes, I realize that a percentage of air travelers book on day of travel at the airport. That isn't a large number anymore.

Customs and border lines make even less sense, because CBP should have a very good idea about the number of flights arriving and the manifest of passengers for each.

/I'm looking at you, JFK Terminal 4.
 
2013-07-08 07:40:53 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: It could have been handled better by quickly allowing people to reunite in an area, then checking them as they left, sparing the emotional trauma.

Oh, and perhaps after a tragedy you act like human beings and remember that security theater is not important.


This.

Did they think that some of those frantic people were really terrorists taking the opportunity to slip aboard the crashed jet and blow it up again?
 
2013-07-08 07:58:25 PM

darch: Security, shmemurity- if my wife and I were in this crash and some TSA dickhole was keeping me from finding her, there would be some faces punched. No if's, and's or but's. I'd deal with the concequences after I ascertained her whereabouts/safety, etc.


You'd be tased and arrested long before you found out anything about your wife, my friend.
 
2013-07-08 09:42:30 PM
I don't have a problem with this.   If they just survived a plane crash, surviving a security screening seems like a minor inconvenience.  What alternative could one propose anyway? Let a bunch of folks into the terminal with no security screening?  I will grant that it is a bit far-fetched that some bad guy would happen to be there at exactly the right time to walk into the terminal with the folks coming from the wreck.  Then again you never know what you will get when you let folks bypass security screenings.  Maybe one of the folks getting off the plane would have grabbed a huge wrench or something from a maintenance area and attacked the airline counter folks with it in misguided attempt to get back at the airline that nearly killed him/her.
 
2013-07-08 09:55:30 PM

Ima4nic8or: I don't have a problem with this.   If they just survived a plane crash, surviving a security screening seems like a minor inconvenience.  What alternative could one propose anyway? Let a bunch of folks into the terminal with no security screening?  I will grant that it is a bit far-fetched that some bad guy would happen to be there at exactly the right time to walk into the terminal with the folks coming from the wreck.  Then again you never know what you will get when you let folks bypass security screenings.  Maybe one of the folks getting off the plane would have grabbed a huge wrench or something from a maintenance area and attacked the airline counter folks with it in misguided attempt to get back at the airline that nearly killed him/her.


TSA screenings for people coming from the crashed plane don't make a lot of sense, because they're coming from inside the secure area (the airfield is actually a higher level secure area than the terminal). Yeah, they'll still have to clear CBP, but TSA before they enter the terminal from a bus that picked them up on the airfield seems a bit much.

Of course, on another board, there were people wetting their pants at the thought that people were being transported to hospitals (with critical injuries) without first clearing Customs, so I guess we have gotten a bit retarded with those kinds of things.
 
2013-07-08 10:18:11 PM

Ima4nic8or: I don't have a problem with this.   If they just survived a plane crash, surviving a security screening seems like a minor inconvenience.


The proper musing is "haven't the suffered enough already?"
 
2013-07-08 11:22:52 PM

Ima4nic8or: I don't have a problem with this.   If they just survived a plane crash, surviving a security screening seems like a minor inconvenience. What alternative could one propose anyway? Let a bunch of folks into the terminal with no security screening?  I will grant that it is a bit far-fetched that some bad guy would happen to be there at exactly the right time to walk into the terminal with the folks coming from the wreck.  Then again you never know what you will get when you let folks bypass security screenings.  Maybe one of the folks getting off the plane would have grabbed a huge wrench or something from a maintenance area and attacked the airline counter folks with it in misguided attempt to get back at the airline that nearly killed him/her.


You sound like someone who's never survived a major accident of any kind. The last thing you want, after that kind of trauma, is ANOTHER "inconvenience." People like that scream at ambulance personnel who want them to take off their shoes so they can assess the blood pouring out of their socks, ffs; and in re your later musings, I can only hope you're trolling, because only the most determined or demented terrorist would be in the right place to walk in off of one of SFO's runways with a bunch of crash victims. Have you ever seen them? They poke out into San Francisco bay like a big X, and to be lurking out there to mingle with a chance plane crash, your imagined bad guy would have had to be treading water in the icy shark-infested waters of the Bay.
 
2013-07-09 12:57:24 AM
I wonder if they asked each passenger if they had any fruit or vegetables as they ran from a burning plane
 
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