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(Mother Jones)   The coal industry is worried about environmental threats. Environmental as in environmentalists   (motherjones.com) divider line 21
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2013-07-08 01:05:09 PM
Can't they just lobby to have the ERA removed like a true American patriot?
 
2013-07-08 01:07:58 PM
New technologies that were stifled in the past have been given encouragement under Obama. The enviro movement adds a little fuel, but mostly it's a long overdue energy industry expansion.
 
2013-07-08 01:08:12 PM
"Anyway, 'war on coal' never resonated with much conviction among ordinary Americans," he wrote. "For them, the EPA keeps the air and water clean, their kids safe."

War on CoalTM didn't work? People still think the EPA has a job to do and want something better than the old pollution-spewing coal fired generators?

[GrumpycatGood]
 
2013-07-08 01:11:59 PM
Considering Big Coal's history with union strikebreakers a century ago, the hippies better prepare for lots of Pinkerton-related injuries.
 
2013-07-08 01:12:47 PM

Lord_Baull: Can't they just lobby to have the ERA removed like a true American patriot?


I agree, Earned Run Average says nothing. Won't anyone think of the relief pitchers?
 
2013-07-08 01:18:31 PM
What a bunch of jerks at Mother Jones. That photo in the article is not from a coal fired power house. (unless the boiler just blew up) I work for an electric utility that has a coal fired plant. Our stacks do not look at all like the smoke stacks in the picture. In fact you can't see anything AT ALL coming out of ours, even when it's running a max power.
 
2013-07-08 01:27:22 PM

Pick: What a bunch of jerks at Mother Jones. That photo in the article is not from a coal fired power house. (unless the boiler just blew up) I work for an electric utility that has a coal fired plant. Our stacks do not look at all like the smoke stacks in the picture. In fact you can't see anything AT ALL coming out of ours, even when it's running a max power.


A quick GIS of coal fired power plants says otherwise.

So apparently yours is just special, but mother jones does not seem to be being unfair using that picture.
 
2013-07-08 01:30:52 PM
Granted, the coal-fired plants I see are two of the bigger ones, but yesterday it looked like they were filling the sky with clouds.
 
2013-07-08 01:33:42 PM
as someone who lives in Appalachia, if the environmentalists are winning, why do our mountains keep disappearing?
 
2013-07-08 02:03:36 PM
Really good piece on energy options (pros and cons) on NPR this afternoon. Yes, kids they said nice things about nuclear on NPR, you know the librul media.

It is really quiet a dilemma we have in our need for energy and the cost it takes on the environment.
 
2013-07-08 02:19:20 PM

Pick: What a bunch of jerks at Mother Jones. That photo in the article is not from a coal fired power house. (unless the boiler just blew up) I work for an electric utility that has a coal fired plant. Our stacks do not look at all like the smoke stacks in the picture. In fact you can't see anything AT ALL coming out of ours, even when it's running a max power.


Well, as someone pointed out, you must be special.

Also:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-ra di oactive-than-nuclear-waste
 
2013-07-08 02:54:21 PM
maddermax, ours is not special. EPA has mandated scrubbers in coal fired power plants for over a decade, now. Ours is the norm.
 
2013-07-08 02:59:13 PM
maddermax and PC LOAD LETTER need to take a windshield tour of some local coal fired plants. That picture on Mother Jones is NOT the norm for a coal fired plant in the US. Maybe China, but not here.
 
2013-07-08 03:48:34 PM

Pick: maddermax and PC LOAD LETTER need to take a windshield tour of some local coal fired plants. That picture on Mother Jones is NOT the norm for a coal fired plant in the US. Maybe China, but not here.


Depends on the stack style. I worked at a generating station in IL that didn't have any scrubbers. All you could see was a heat mirage coming out of the stacks.

I currently live just over a mile from a single boiler unit with a scrubber, and it billows huge white clouds (mainly steam, but OMG!!! Something from the stack!!!!)

-FWIW, those stacks aren't scrubber stacks, at least not on a coal fired plant in the US, and if a conventional stack was puffing like that it'd *maybe* be during the startup cycle (maybe), but unlikely.
 
2013-07-08 09:11:07 PM
The right wing-nuts are ramming that "War on CoalTM " bull shiat on the air and tv here in Kentucky.

Not sure if our units have those scrubbers installed, but I can see a significant brown-colored haze drifting from the coal-powered plants around Louisville.
 
2013-07-08 09:16:38 PM
Scrubber stack at right, smokestack at left

http://m.knoxnews.com/photos/2008/dec /29/44936/
 
2013-07-08 11:14:50 PM
Well that explains the brown haze = no scrubbers

Pick: What a bunch of jerks at Mother Jones. That photo in the article is not from a coal fired power house. (unless the boiler just blew up) I work for an electric utility that has a coal fired plant. Our stacks do not look at all like the smoke stacks in the picture. In fact you can't see anything AT ALL coming out of ours, even when it's running a max power.


Not here in Kentucky - The one near Louisville looks like that everyday
 
2013-07-09 02:08:30 AM
Given how the War on Drugs® and the War on Terrorism® have gone, you'd think Big Coal would welcome a War on Coal®.
 
2013-07-09 07:05:10 AM

Thingster: http://m.knoxnews.com/photos/2008/dec /29/44936/


caption on that photo: A smoke stack and scrubber stack at TVA's Kingston Fossil Plant are beyond the jagged wall of the ash retention pond that failed last week.

But our air is clean!
 
2013-07-09 07:07:47 AM

derpy: Thingster: http://m.knoxnews.com/photos/2008/dec /29/44936/

caption on that photo: A smoke stack and scrubber stack at TVA's Kingston Fossil Plant are beyond the jagged wall of the ash retention pond that failed last week.

But our air is clean!


upload.wikimedia.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Fossil_Plant_coal_slurry_spill
 
2013-07-09 04:31:11 PM
I happen to have a coal cogeneration system nicely within view of work, less than a mile off.  I never see 'smoke' coming out of it unless it's operating at full capacity during the winter.

I put smoke in quotes because it's actually mostly water vapor.  Mind you, until they did some mods ice fog from the cogeneration plant on the fort was a huge issue on the highway during common wind conditions.

With coal plants, it's generally not the emissions you can see that you need to be concerned about.  It's the stuff you can't see.
 
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