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(NBC News)   It's strongly advised that American tourists in Thailand pay their taxi bills   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 32
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2013-07-08 02:59:07 PM
3 votes:
The dude lived there for three years, he probably knew when he was being cheated. Should he have just accepted being screwed over? He did what any local would have done and refused to pay. Some of you are siding with a murderer over a buck just cause the fellow was white? That's effed up.
2013-07-08 04:14:30 PM
2 votes:

quatchi: A Caterpillar employee in Thailand who tried to skip out on an 1.60 cab fare who ends up getting hacked to death with a machete by the pissed off cabbie?

Meh. I  find I have little to no sympathy for the asshole.

Sympathy for the cabby and both guy's families, sure but not for Mr throw-coffee-in-cabbies-face-and-then-try-to-skip-bill dead guy.


Have you ever taken a cab in Thailand, or any other non-First-World nation*?  It's extremely likely that the cab driver DID rig the meter, in which case refusing to pay and walking away is an entirely appropriate response.

*including Texas
2013-07-08 03:20:11 PM
2 votes:
Oy vey ist mir.

On one hand you have that it's under $2.00. I haven't lived in Manhattan for a few years- can we even sit in cabs for under $2 now? Back then it was $1.25 just to sit. I almost want to believe this guy deserved it, but rather he should have had his ass kicked. Hard.

On the other hand you have this retarded cabby that needs to have his genes removed from the pool- murdering over such a low fare. Really. Granted, life is rumored to be cheap in Asia, but for fark sake, kick his ass, steal his wallet, piss on his face, but leave him with a lesson.

On the gripping hand: Who cares?
2013-07-08 03:13:33 PM
2 votes:
the article says the guy got in, and after a few minutes sitting still, told the driver the meter was rigged and got out... cant speak for thailand, but in vietnam a pretty significant portion of the cab meters are rigged, and they switch on different rates for non-locals; i have seen as high as 100x the actual fare.

The advice from the locals was, watch the meter, know how fast it should be moving, if it goes up really fast, get out and walk away.

Also, this is probably a lot more local, but a buck and change gets you an awful long way.  If this guy just hopped into a cab in vietnam, sat in traffic for a minute or two, and the fare was 40,000 dong (heh); then the meter is definitely rigged.  I assume fares are higher in thailand, but i would still bet on the meter being rigged.
2013-07-08 03:12:15 PM
2 votes:
BafflerMeal:


Hah.  Apparently you've never seen the ahole western foreigner types in SE Asia. (especially the Aussies)  They will nickel and dime and treat the locals like crap because they know the street folk need the money and will put up with a lot.  Every single episode like the article I have been around for or heard about was basically Darwin kicking someone in the arse for being a righteous dick.

I spent a lot of time in SE Asia as well, more in the Philippines - which also has its fair share of Aussie tourists.   the idea of arguing over a 1.50 fare is bad, bad policy.  I get nervous in cabs because it's very, very easy for them to rip you off and if you don't pay, the local equivalent of the sheriff is no better than anything in Mexico or some red neck county in the deep South USA, as in corrupt as all hell.

The counterveiling philosophy is if you let them rip you off, even if its only the equivalent of a quarter or a dollar, then it encourages them to always rip off foreigners.

The later makes a lot of sense actually, but having seen way too many episodes of locked up abroad and actually seeing foreigners getting beat up in foreign countries (Asians never fight alone, its always them calling their pals), yeah best to pay a little extra and not thinking about it.
2013-07-08 02:56:04 PM
2 votes:

Apos: Machetes appear to be the weapons of choice this month.....


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You got a problem with that?
2013-07-08 02:55:22 PM
2 votes:
Bangkok is full of crooked cabis. He probably was ripping the guy off. Hopefully the Thai government makes an example of him so as not to discourage tourism.
2013-07-08 02:42:48 PM
2 votes:
I'm sure everyone and their brother is trying to get over on you when you are a white well to do looking guy in these developing nations but geez dude, it's a buck 50...
2013-07-08 01:53:36 PM
2 votes:
A Caterpillar employee in Thailand who tried to skip out on an 1.60 cab fare who ends up getting hacked to death with a machete by the pissed off cabbie?

Meh. I  find I have little to no sympathy for the asshole.

Sympathy for the cabby and both guy's families, sure but not for Mr throw-coffee-in-cabbies-face-and-then-try-to-skip-bill dead guy.
2013-07-09 01:13:19 AM
1 votes:

mamoru: I live in Bangkok, so I'm really getting a kick yada yada yada. However, I would like to confirm this anecdote. It's amazing how cheap western foreign tourists can be, especially the Lonely Planet reading assholes. These are the ones that read in the Lonely Planet guide that you can get food like Pad Thai for 20 baht, so they refuse to pay more than that, and constantly whine and moan about eating other stuff that costs more.


Interesting. I've never been to Thailiad or read Lonely Planet but I've read that things are cheap in Thailand.  I don't know how cheap, but I certainly wouldn't argue about a cab fare that was less than $2.  I can't even imagine paying a cab to take me for a $2 ride, but that might happen in a foreign country where wages are much lower.

Anyone visiting Thailand from the US or Europe (or even Australia) is paying hundreds of dollars (or Euros) just to get there.  I can't see the point in being stingy once you get there.

OTOH, this wasn't some tourist.  Maybe he was drunk and being an asshole - can't really be sure about that, but still it doesn't rise to the level of death penalty.

I've only been to a few foreign countries, most of which are fairly well off economically, but when I've visited Mexico I never questioned what I was charged.  Rather than thinking "Mexicans only earn about 2 pesos a day" I simply compared their food, their beer, their prostitutes or whatever to what I would pay for the same thing back in the US and it always seemed like a great deal to me so not only would I pay what I was asked, I'd willingly give them a good tip.  And in return, I've always been treated very well.  Now I suppose all that could change the first time I get ripped off or mugged but I've been ripped off and mugged in the US too.
2013-07-08 06:27:17 PM
1 votes:

over_and_done: Better re-re-read it.  The use of pronouns has tripped you up, I think.

"The suspect [the cab driver] claimed when he [cabbie] asked for the money, the American threw a cup of coffee at him, after which he [cabbie] pulled the knife from his trunk and chased after Pilkington."

So, coffee first, chasing after.  Agree with the throwing of money thing, however.


LOL. I didn't actually reread there I just presumed I was wrong and ended up being wrong about being wrong, funnily enuff. The price of not doing my due diligence, right there. Ta.
2013-07-08 05:00:25 PM
1 votes:

Headso: I'm sure everyone and their brother is trying to get over on you when you are a white well to do looking guy in these developing nations but geez dude, it's a buck 50...


I can't know for sure what the guy was thinking, but having been through similar circumstances (though with fewer sharp weapons) I can say that probably the amount of money involved was immaterial.  It's not about the money.  It's about the fact that you're being taken advantage of.

It's also the fact that (perhaps for the first time in your life) you're the victim of racism.  Someone is taking advantage of you, mistreating you, pushing you around, because of the color of your skin.  It's quite an unpleasant (and eye-opening experience) if you've lived the fist 20,30, or 40 years of your life never having be subjected to it before.
2013-07-08 04:44:12 PM
1 votes:

BafflerMeal: SirEattonHogg: Primum:
Wow some jerkoff 51-year-old white man working for a jerkoff American company gets his jerkoff fat body carved up over $1.60.

Boo frickin' hoo. Deserved to die IMHO.

How do we know?  It's his word only.  The taxi guy could have very well demanded a hundred bucks and threatened the guy with bodily harm if he didn't get it. Unless the passenger was totally drunk, I'm not sure why the passenger would have thrown a fit over a 1.50 fare.


Hah.  Apparently you've never seen the ahole western foreigner types in SE Asia. (especially the Aussies)  They will nickel and dime and treat the locals like crap because they know the street folk need the money and will put up with a lot.  Every single episode like the article I have been around for or heard about was basically Darwin kicking someone in the arse for being a righteous dick.



Really?  Because I lived in Asia for years and my experiences were almost the exact opposite.  Western tourists who were only there for 4 or 5 days say to themselves "It's only $2, so who cares if they're ripping us off?" happily pay inflated prices, which reinforces the idea that Westerners (which the locals think is synonymous with "white people") are rich and know nothing about what the fair market price of goods is.  Prices get inflated ridiculously, which means ONLY tourists can afford the goods at the going price.

And then if you happen to, say, be a Westerner living there, everyone expects you to pay those ridiculous prices, too.  Meanwhile, very often the locals, thinking you don't speak the language, will talk crap to your face.

It's one of many reasons any Westerner living in Asia might want to avoid touristy places as much as possible.  If you live some place where the locals known you (and realize that you are not a tourist) you may get treated rather differently.

I could give you specific examples, like the Peace Corps Volunteer who complained that nobody could afford eggs in her village because it was along a big trekking route and trekkers were paying 20 times the normal price.  I'm sure you wouldn't care that some Peace Corps Volunteer  never got to eat eggs, but you might care that the kids in the village didn't.

I don't deny that what you describe happens, but I seriously doubt it's the norm among ex-pats actually living there, as you imply.
2013-07-08 04:36:22 PM
1 votes:

quatchi: Carousel Beast: quatchi: SecretAgentWoman: TFA makes it look like he threw the coffee in self-defense (after he was being chased by deranged cabby).

*rereads*

Yup, yer right about the order. I would still suggest that at that point throwing money rather than coffee woulda made a world of difference in a buncha people's lives.

/It's paper.
//With pictures on it.

Isn't it technically cloth?

Wha?

*quick to the google-mobile*

"The paper that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) uses to produce our currency is "distinctive." A paper manufacturer produces it according to BEP specifications. It is composed of 75 percent cotton and 25 percent linen. The paper also contains red and blue fibers of various lengths that are evenly distributed throughout the paper."

Well, I'll be damned.


Technically you're both wrong.  In Thailand the currency is of a material similar to Tyvek.

FWIW, Thai cabs come in two flavors - one licensed by the government and TAT (tourist board) which has the 'fair' meters, and ones that are privately owned.  One has a yellow-with-black letters license plate and the other is black-with-white.  The better way of handling it, though, is to negotiate your fare before you get in the car.
2013-07-08 04:12:38 PM
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: quatchi: SecretAgentWoman: TFA makes it look like he threw the coffee in self-defense (after he was being chased by deranged cabby).

*rereads*

Yup, yer right about the order. I would still suggest that at that point throwing money rather than coffee woulda made a world of difference in a buncha people's lives.

/It's paper.
//With pictures on it.


Isn't it technically cloth?


Wha?

*quick to the google-mobile*

"The paper that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) uses to produce our currency is "distinctive." A paper manufacturer produces it according to BEP specifications. It is composed of 75 percent cotton and 25 percent linen. The paper also contains red and blue fibers of various lengths that are evenly distributed throughout the paper."

Well, I'll be damned.
2013-07-08 04:01:51 PM
1 votes:
Thai people are some of the most hospitable people I've seen.
That said, do NOT tick them off.
Easiest way to tick them off, insult their religion or their Emperor.

I've seen jerks do stuff that could have gotten them really hurt.
But I've also seen people get really ripped off.
The crooks have no hesitation to rip you off even if you are with your kids (assuming you might have been more confrontational when alone).

The $1.50 is probably what the cabbie told the cops was on the meter, but he could have asked for any amount.

My friend told me about the time he agreed with a cabbie for a transfer (to a remote-ish waterfall if memory serves me right) for 100 Baht (approx 3 bucks) they get there and the cabbie demands 500.
My friend refused.
Cabbie pulled out a knife.

Here is the interesting part, my friend is a martial arts instructor.
Lets just say it didn't fare well for the can driver.

The second twist in the story is when my friend leaves the hotel the next day, and finds the cab driver sitting with a couple of friends opposite his hotel staring at him (cab driver had unfortunately picked him up from there. That might be another tip, walk a bit from your hotel).
I asked him what did you do.
He said crossed the street, fought with the guys, beat them, hit a bystander who had come to break up the fight when the guy grabbed him from behind and my friend thought he was one of them.

Lets just say my friend didn't spend more than 24 hours in that country afterwards.
2013-07-08 03:51:50 PM
1 votes:
I'm not sure why everyone is assuming he made American wages working/living in Thailand. I've known many people whose jobs relocated them there and they make about $13k US dollars. Granted it is enough for a US equivalent upper lower-class, but that $1.30 could have been like a cabbie here suddenly charging $100 for a few blocks. I'd be pissed too.
2013-07-08 03:26:11 PM
1 votes:

stampylives: the article says the guy got in, and after a few minutes sitting still, told the driver the meter was rigged and got out... cant speak for thailand, but in vietnam a pretty significant portion of the cab meters are rigged, and they switch on different rates for non-locals; i have seen as high as 100x the actual fare.

The advice from the locals was, watch the meter, know how fast it should be moving, if it goes up really fast, get out and walk away.

Also, this is probably a lot more local, but a buck and change gets you an awful long way.  If this guy just hopped into a cab in vietnam, sat in traffic for a minute or two, and the fare was 40,000 dong (heh); then the meter is definitely rigged.  I assume fares are higher in thailand, but i would still bet on the meter being rigged.


Recently got in a shouting match with a Saigon cabbie over a rigged meter. I threatened to call the cops and pulled out my phone and started to dial (pure bluff) and the cabbie counter-bluffed by yelling, "No, I call them!", pulling his phone out and pretending to talk to someone in Vietnamese. Laughed, threw some small bills at him and dipped out of the taxi and away through the gnarly traffic. Glad he didn't follow and stab me. So unsubtle how fast the meter was jumping up. Like 10$ for 5 blocks, really?

Anyway, don't piss off Thais. They're slow to anger but once they go they go all the way and don't stop.
2013-07-08 03:25:29 PM
1 votes:
It's no secret that most of the Thai locals think any single foreign man is there for some underage sex.  He probably thought he was killing a kiddiddler.  It makes it easier if you dehumanize them first.
2013-07-08 03:22:02 PM
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: The later makes a lot of sense actually, but having seen way too many episodes of locked up abroad and actually seeing foreigners getting beat up in foreign countries (Asians never fight alone, its always them calling their pals), yeah best to pay a little extra and not thinking about it.


In Ecuador there was always a gringo tax.  Ask the driver up front what the fare will be before you get in.  If it's not too outrageously inflated, just pay it.  If it is, don't get in the taxi in the first place.
2013-07-08 03:03:55 PM
1 votes:

Wolf892: The dude lived there for three years, he probably knew when he was being cheated. Should he have just accepted being screwed over? He did what any local would have done and refused to pay. Some of you are siding with a murderer over a buck just cause the fellow was white? That's effed up.


You haven't noticed there's a lot of white guilt here? Also implicit racism because it's assumed the white guy should of known better than to anger such a dangerous savage. Probably never spent time in Thailand and wouldn't know the difference between spoken Thai and Chinese. Pretty pathetic.
2013-07-08 03:02:38 PM
1 votes:

Wolf892: The dude lived there for three years, he probably knew when he was being cheated. Should he have just accepted being screwed over? He did what any local would have done and refused to pay. Some of you are siding with a murderer over a buck just cause the fellow was white? That's effed up.


no, they are siding with the cabbie because he is brown, in America if you speak ill of brown people you are forever shunned.  Ain't this country grand
2013-07-08 03:00:02 PM
1 votes:
Why would you argue over $1.60 about anything?  Just pay it.

Then go down the street to the whorehouse and take it out on the dude's mom.
2013-07-08 02:58:20 PM
1 votes:
There are many things to die for in Thailand - an orgy with 50 hookers, blow and booze over a weekend, for one - but pissing off a Thai over a cab fare and still not paying when he brandishes a machete is definitely not on the list. What an idiot. What a waste of a '50 hookers, blow and booze' blow out!
2013-07-08 02:57:59 PM
1 votes:
"Chidchai Utmacha, 32, was arrested him on charges of murder and carrying a weapon in public without reasonable cause."

Please note that there  is a time when it is reasonable to carry a weapon in public in Thailand.
2013-07-08 02:56:52 PM
1 votes:
Primum:
Wow some jerkoff 51-year-old white man working for a jerkoff American company gets his jerkoff fat body carved up over $1.60.

Boo frickin' hoo. Deserved to die IMHO.


How do we know?  It's his word only.  The taxi guy could have very well demanded a hundred bucks and threatened the guy with bodily harm if he didn't get it. Unless the passenger was totally drunk, I'm not sure why the passenger would have thrown a fit over a 1.50 fare.
2013-07-08 02:49:18 PM
1 votes:
The victim allegedly stormed out of the cab and refused to pay the 51 baht ($1.60) fare.
The suspect claimed when he asked for the money, the American threw a cup of coffee at him, after which he pulled the knife from his trunk and chased after Pilkington.


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2013-07-08 02:43:41 PM
1 votes:
Is it also normal in Thailand for someone charged with murder to also participate in a re-enactment for media purposes?
2013-07-08 02:42:35 PM
1 votes:
Even tough guys tumble.  It's enough to make a hard man humble.
2013-07-08 02:40:50 PM
1 votes:
I bet you 51 Baht that this had very little to do with the cab fare.
2013-07-08 02:26:40 PM
1 votes:

SecretAgentWoman: TFA makes it look like he threw the coffee in self-defense (after he was being chased by deranged cabby).


*rereads*

Yup, yer right about the order. I would still suggest that at that point throwing money rather than coffee woulda made a world of difference in a buncha people's lives.

/It's paper.
//With pictures on it.
2013-07-08 02:17:39 PM
1 votes:

quatchi: A Caterpillar employee in Thailand who tried to skip out on an 1.60 cab fare who ends up getting hacked to death with a machete by the pissed off cabbie?

Meh. I  find I have little to no sympathy for the asshole.

Sympathy for the cabby and both guy's families, sure but not for Mr throw-coffee-in-cabbies-face-and-then-try-to-skip-bill dead guy.


TFA makes it look like he threw the coffee in self-defense (after he was being chased by deranged cabby).
 
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