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2013-07-08 07:29:14 AM  
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2013-07-08 07:41:12 AM  
Oh, a religious movement wants to have the government modeled on their religions ideas and to have their rules made the law of the land, so that people can't do anything that is against what they believe are their God's decrees.

Where have I heard something like this before?
 
2013-07-08 07:59:10 AM  

MrBallou: Oh, a religious movement wants to have the government modeled on their religions ideas and to have their rules made the law of the land, so that people can't do anything that is against what they believe are their God's decrees.

Where have I heard something like this before?


I dunno, but if shooting them is on the table...

/I kid, of course
 
2013-07-08 08:00:57 AM  
This non-violent democratic military coup is very non-violent and democratic.
 
2013-07-08 08:03:10 AM  
But, wasn't the Islamists democratically elected?

I hope this isn't the Iran Shah coup thing all over again.
 
2013-07-08 08:04:16 AM  
"Obama has ordered a review to determine whether annual U.S. assistance of $1.5 billion, most of which goes to the Egyptian military, should be cut off as required by law if a country's military ousts a democratically elected leader."

That would be interesting.
 
2013-07-08 08:05:06 AM  
Hell I can sympathize, the legitimate elected (although unpopular) government was overthrown and they know they'll have little to no say in the next government.  While I don't like Islamists, or any religious politics, I can understand why'd they be upset.
 
2013-07-08 08:07:35 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: This non-violent democratic military coup is very non-violent and democratic.


To be fair, it WAS non-violent. The MB supporters didn't get attacked for no reason, they attacked people. They've killed plenty themselves.

mr0x: But, wasn't the Islamists democratically elected?

I hope this isn't the Iran Shah coup thing all over again.


Barely, then they proceeded to say that the rules they were supposed to follow didn't apply to them and everyone had to do what they wanted. They weren't precisely working in good faith.
 
2013-07-08 08:08:52 AM  
Difference in Christians and Muslims. If Muslims don't get their way they get all shootie and kabloomy. Christians pretty much just biatch and moan until people cave and they get their way.
 
2013-07-08 08:09:06 AM  

mr0x: But, wasn't the Islamists democratically elected?

I hope this isn't the Iran Shah coup thing all over again.


As stated in previous threads:
Being elected by a 50.000001% vote doesn't mean you have a mandate from the people to become a dictator, unilaterally rewrite the Constitution, and make it legal to rape your opponents mothers.
 
2013-07-08 08:09:43 AM  

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: This non-violent democratic military coup is very non-violent and democratic.

To be fair, it WAS non-violent. The MB supporters didn't get attacked for no reason, they attacked people. They've killed plenty themselves.


Well yes, according to the ruling military junta that controls the media, they had no choice but to kill 40 people. It checks out.
 
2013-07-08 08:10:03 AM  
Only our religious zealots are allowed to actively seek religious, social, and political hegemony.
 
2013-07-08 08:10:58 AM  

baufan2005: Difference in Christians and Muslims. If Muslims don't get their way they get all shootie and kabloomy. Christians pretty much just biatch and moan until people cave and they get their way.


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2013-07-08 08:10:59 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: This non-violent democratic military coup is very non-violent and democratic.

To be fair, it WAS non-violent. The MB supporters didn't get attacked for no reason, they attacked people. They've killed plenty themselves.

Well yes, according to the ruling military junta that controls the media, they had no choice but to kill 40 people. It checks out.


Well, I mean, you can take that angle if you want, but there are videos of MB supporters killing people. So, maybe those are secret lies to discredit the good-and-benevolent MB, but I have my doubts.
 
2013-07-08 08:11:19 AM  

ginandbacon: "Obama has ordered a review to determine whether annual U.S. assistance of $1.5 billion, most of which goes to the Egyptian military, should be cut off as required by law if a country's military ousts a democratically elected leader."

That would be interesting.


Yeah, that's just a stupid move. The Egyptian military is actually doing the public a favor.
But if it's more about cutting back on spending than it is on investing in stability, then it's an awesome idea.
 
2013-07-08 08:12:25 AM  
Conflict going on here shouldn't surprise anyone. Like it or not Morsi won the election. Now that he's been removed from office every person who voted for him has been disenfranchised. Sadly civil war is likely here with the path Egypt is on.

All that said... it's their country... let's stay out of it.
 
2013-07-08 08:12:40 AM  
Anyone else sick of hearing about the Middle East?
 
2013-07-08 08:12:50 AM  

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: This non-violent democratic military coup is very non-violent and democratic.

To be fair, it WAS non-violent. The MB supporters didn't get attacked for no reason, they attacked people. They've killed plenty themselves.

Well yes, according to the ruling military junta that controls the media, they had no choice but to kill 40 people. It checks out.

Well, I mean, you can take that angle if you want, but there are videos of MB supporters killing people.


At this protest? Were they wearing badges identifying themselves as members?
 
2013-07-08 08:13:33 AM  

doonerpjenkins: Anyone else sick of hearing about the Middle East?


Honey Boo Boo will be on soon enough friend.
 
2013-07-08 08:15:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: At this protest? Were they wearing badges identifying themselves as members?


I don't know at which, specific protest, if that's what you're asking. It's kind of an ongoing, nebulous problem they're having. But they were wearing the Black Flag of jihad, a symbol taken up by the MB and their supporters, in the videos I've seen.
 
2013-07-08 08:19:43 AM  

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: At this protest? Were they wearing badges identifying themselves as members?

I don't know at which, specific protest, if that's what you're asking. It's kind of an ongoing, nebulous problem they're having. But they were wearing the Black Flag of jihad, a symbol taken up by the MB and their supporters, in the videos I've seen.


Alright well I guess if an MB member some where at some time killed someone, that's basically a green light for the military dictatorship to kill 40 of them at a protest in the name of democracy.
 
2013-07-08 08:26:45 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: At this protest? Were they wearing badges identifying themselves as members?

I don't know at which, specific protest, if that's what you're asking. It's kind of an ongoing, nebulous problem they're having. But they were wearing the Black Flag of jihad, a symbol taken up by the MB and their supporters, in the videos I've seen.

Alright well I guess if an MB member some where at some time killed someone, that's basically a green light for the military dictatorship to kill 40 of them at a protest in the name of democracy.


Uh, no, but I really don't understand your incredibly strong pushback here. I am not saying it's okay, or anything, but you seem to be in deep denial that the MB's members could be doing some shiatty shiat in the context of this upheaval.
 
2013-07-08 08:30:35 AM  

baufan2005: Difference in Christians and Muslims. If Muslims don't get their way they get all shootie and kabloomy. Christians pretty much just biatch and moan until people cave and they get their way.


The Crusades, early persecution of various Christian sects by fellow Christians, the KKK, the Inquisition, Westboro, Eric Rudolph, stop me any time.
 
2013-07-08 08:31:40 AM  

doonerpjenkins: Anyone else sick of hearing about the Middle East?


Anyone else tired of morons who worry more about Middle Earth?
 
2013-07-08 08:32:25 AM  
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2013-07-08 08:32:37 AM  

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: At this protest? Were they wearing badges identifying themselves as members?

I don't know at which, specific protest, if that's what you're asking. It's kind of an ongoing, nebulous problem they're having. But they were wearing the Black Flag of jihad, a symbol taken up by the MB and their supporters, in the videos I've seen.

Alright well I guess if an MB member some where at some time killed someone, that's basically a green light for the military dictatorship to kill 40 of them at a protest in the name of democracy.

Uh, no, but I really don't understand your incredibly strong pushback here. I am not saying it's okay, or anything, but you seem to be in deep denial that the MB's members could be doing some shiatty shiat in the context of this upheaval.


I'm not denying they're an unsavory bunch. They're also a legitimate political party that won an election. I just want people to understand what they're cheering for. Some people have the tortured mentality that this was somehow a democratic process. Egypt is no different than Iran now, they have a ruling over class that gets to pick winners.
 
2013-07-08 08:33:34 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Egypt is no different than Iran now, they have a ruling over class that gets to pick winners.


That... does not sound entirely accurate.
 
2013-07-08 08:33:36 AM  
The new government loses credibility when they start killing the opposition the day after they overthrow the elected government.
 
2013-07-08 08:35:20 AM  

Migrating Coconut: Conflict going on here shouldn't surprise anyone. Like it or not Morsi won the election.


And then he immediately declared that the laws and constitution no longer applied to him, essentially disenfranchising the entire population.
 
2013-07-08 08:35:42 AM  

Muta: The new government loses credibility when they start killing the opposition the day after they overthrow the elected government.


This is not the government. There will be new elections, hopefully to elect a government that doesn't turn around and ignore the constitution.
 
2013-07-08 08:35:53 AM  

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Egypt is no different than Iran now, they have a ruling over class that gets to pick winners.

That... does not sound entirely accurate.


Oh no? They didn't care for Morsi, he's gone. Do you think they'll let the MB run again? They won't.
 
2013-07-08 08:36:14 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Alright well I guess if an MB member some where at some time killed someone, that's basically a green light for the military dictatorship to kill 40 of them at a protest in the name of democracy.


The problem is the Egyptian military doesn't want to run the country. They had an awkward alliance with the MB after the election as long as the MB kept the civil part of the government running efficiently and got the economy re-started. The MB failed both- leading to the organization of Tamarod(which is only an umbrella term for all the non-MB factions) and their eventual nationwide protests on June 30. To avoid massive riots and bloodshed the military staged a (relatively) non-violent coup with the expectation the Tamarod and islamists would get their shiat together to get the military out of direct control. With the Salafist party pulling out after today's shootings, the military is pretty much farked in a no-win situation where they will be in charge for weeks or months until everyone gets pissed off at them again and figures out a way to form a civil government that can co-exist with the military and not completely muck things up even worse.
 
2013-07-08 08:37:20 AM  
Just another banana republic, just like us. Except we do it discreetly. Unless someone finds out about it, than we do it discreetly.
 
2013-07-08 08:37:27 AM  

LasersHurt: Uh, no, but I really don't understand your incredibly strong pushback here. I am not saying it's okay, or anything, but you seem to be in deep denial that the MB's members could be doing some shiatty shiat in the context of this upheaval.


The same could be said of the Egyptian military.  The difference is Morisi was rightfully elected whereas the military was not.  Perhaps I have more love and respect for democracy than you.  Why do you hate democracy?
 
2013-07-08 08:38:57 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Egypt is no different than Iran now, they have a ruling over class that gets to pick winners.

That... does not sound entirely accurate.

Oh no? They didn't care for Morsi, he's gone. Do you think they'll let the MB run again? They won't.


Muta: LasersHurt: Uh, no, but I really don't understand your incredibly strong pushback here. I am not saying it's okay, or anything, but you seem to be in deep denial that the MB's members could be doing some shiatty shiat in the context of this upheaval.

The same could be said of the Egyptian military.  The difference is Morisi was rightfully elected whereas the military was not.  Perhaps I have more love and respect for democracy than you.  Why do you hate democracy?


So we're ignoring the ACTUAL ACTIONS of the government to focus solely on "some of the Egyptians elected them, so it doesn't matter what they did at all"?
 
2013-07-08 08:40:38 AM  

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Egypt is no different than Iran now, they have a ruling over class that gets to pick winners.

That... does not sound entirely accurate.

Oh no? They didn't care for Morsi, he's gone. Do you think they'll let the MB run again? They won't.

Muta: LasersHurt: Uh, no, but I really don't understand your incredibly strong pushback here. I am not saying it's okay, or anything, but you seem to be in deep denial that the MB's members could be doing some shiatty shiat in the context of this upheaval.

The same could be said of the Egyptian military.  The difference is Morisi was rightfully elected whereas the military was not.  Perhaps I have more love and respect for democracy than you.  Why do you hate democracy?

So we're ignoring the ACTUAL ACTIONS of the government to focus solely on "some of the Egyptians elected them, so it doesn't matter what they did at all"?


Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.
 
2013-07-08 08:41:16 AM  

See You Next Tuesday: baufan2005: Difference in Christians and Muslims. If Muslims don't get their way they get all shootie and kabloomy. Christians pretty much just biatch and moan until people cave and they get their way.

The Crusades, early persecution of various Christian sects by fellow Christians, the KKK, the Inquisition, Westboro


You can stop right there really, since piss and moan is exactly all that they do.  Go find me a single news article of a Westboro member throwing a first punch at one of their rallies and prove me wrong.
 
2013-07-08 08:42:06 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Egypt is no different than Iran now, they have a ruling over class that gets to pick winners.

That... does not sound entirely accurate.

Oh no? They didn't care for Morsi, he's gone. Do you think they'll let the MB run again? They won't.

Muta: LasersHurt: Uh, no, but I really don't understand your incredibly strong pushback here. I am not saying it's okay, or anything, but you seem to be in deep denial that the MB's members could be doing some shiatty shiat in the context of this upheaval.

The same could be said of the Egyptian military.  The difference is Morisi was rightfully elected whereas the military was not.  Perhaps I have more love and respect for democracy than you.  Why do you hate democracy?

So we're ignoring the ACTUAL ACTIONS of the government to focus solely on "some of the Egyptians elected them, so it doesn't matter what they did at all"?

Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.


And now they get a do-over!
 
2013-07-08 08:42:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.


I think maybe you ought to let the Egyptians figure out what has a place in their Democracy. They're new to it, and they know more about the situation than you do.
 
2013-07-08 08:45:13 AM  

LasersHurt: So we're ignoring the ACTUAL ACTIONS of the government to focus solely on "some of the Egyptians elected them, so it doesn't matter what they did at all"?


Why is it better when the current military government goes around shooting people who oppose the coup.  BTW -- Mubarak wasn't exactly guilt free either, why are you ignoring what he did?
 
2013-07-08 08:46:57 AM  

Muta: LasersHurt: So we're ignoring the ACTUAL ACTIONS of the government to focus solely on "some of the Egyptians elected them, so it doesn't matter what they did at all"?

Why is it better when the current military government goes around shooting people who oppose the coup.  BTW -- Mubarak wasn't exactly guilt free either, why are you ignoring what he did?


So you're just trollin' me then. Dammit. Of course I bit.
 
2013-07-08 08:48:09 AM  

StrangeQ: Go find me a single news article of a Westboro member throwing a first punch at one of their rallies and prove me wrong.


How about burning mosques?

FTA: An anti-Muslim group of hecklers last week broke out into cheers at the mention of a local mosque being burned to the ground, completely missing the point of the community outreach forum they were disrupting.
 
2013-07-08 08:48:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.


That's a fair criticism. However, the military had probably taken too much of a hands-off approach for months as the MB showed no interest in the growing unrest a majority(or at least large minority) had with their incompetence in running the government. Remember, Morsi got elected by a LOT of people who only chose him because he was seen as the lesser of two evils. The greater being Shafik(Mubarak's prime minister). The MB came to power not so much because of their popularity, but more because they weere the largest, best organized civil organization in Egypt. They proved inadequate at actually running the country, and a huge part of the population wanted them out.
 
2013-07-08 08:49:44 AM  

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.

I think maybe you ought to let the Egyptians figure out what has a place in their Democracy. They're new to it, and they know more about the situation than you do.


They don't get to redefine a philosophy of government to include its exact opposite.

If this is what Egyptians want, super. But they aren't a democracy. Could have been. Maybe next time, eh?
 
2013-07-08 08:52:43 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.

I think maybe you ought to let the Egyptians figure out what has a place in their Democracy. They're new to it, and they know more about the situation than you do.

They don't get to redefine a philosophy of government to include its exact opposite.

If this is what Egyptians want, super. But they aren't a democracy. Could have been. Maybe next time, eh?


I'm pretty sure that Democracy doesn't mean you have to let someone who barely won do whatever they want and suspend the laws the nation JUST agreed upon.
 
2013-07-08 08:52:47 AM  
As an Islamist, I find your comment offensive.

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MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE MUST RISE UP AND PUNISH THE INFIDEL!
 
2013-07-08 08:53:56 AM  

dugitman: HotWingConspiracy: Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.

That's a fair criticism. However, the military had probably taken too much of a hands-off approach for months as the MB showed no interest in the growing unrest a majority(or at least large minority) had with their incompetence in running the government. Remember, Morsi got elected by a LOT of people who only chose him because he was seen as the lesser of two evils. The greater being Shafik(Mubarak's prime minister). The MB came to power not so much because of their popularity, but more because they weere the largest, best organized civil organization in Egypt. They proved inadequate at actually running the country, and a huge part of the population wanted them out.


I get it, but they've really hosed themselves. This is what they're going to do after a year under the next guy as well. They have to let an election process play out or nothing is going to change.
 
2013-07-08 08:56:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: dugitman: HotWingConspiracy: Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.

That's a fair criticism. However, the military had probably taken too much of a hands-off approach for months as the MB showed no interest in the growing unrest a majority(or at least large minority) had with their incompetence in running the government. Remember, Morsi got elected by a LOT of people who only chose him because he was seen as the lesser of two evils. The greater being Shafik(Mubarak's prime minister). The MB came to power not so much because of their popularity, but more because they weere the largest, best organized civil organization in Egypt. They proved inadequate at actually running the country, and a huge part of the population wanted them out.

I get it, but they've really hosed themselves. This is what they're going to do after a year under the next guy as well. They have to let an election process play out or nothing is going to change.


Next election here in the US, Candidate X is elected. After, he suspends part of the Constitution. You're cool with this?
 
2013-07-08 08:56:18 AM  

Occam's Taser: As an Islamist, I find your comment offensive.

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MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE MUST RISE UP AND PUNISH THE INFIDEL!


cause i'm being followed by a moon shadow.  MOOON shadow, moon shadow
 
2013-07-08 08:56:41 AM  

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: Nobody said that. A military coup after an ultimatum of "fix the nation in 48 hours" was hardly a legitimate response to that political crisis and has no place in a democracy.

I think maybe you ought to let the Egyptians figure out what has a place in their Democracy. They're new to it, and they know more about the situation than you do.

They don't get to redefine a philosophy of government to include its exact opposite.

If this is what Egyptians want, super. But they aren't a democracy. Could have been. Maybe next time, eh?

I'm pretty sure that Democracy doesn't mean you have to let someone who barely won do whatever they want and suspend the laws the nation JUST agreed upon.


Perhaps I'm naive, but I believe Egypt has a court and justice system that might have been better venues to address that. Going straight to military coup and political repression doesn't seem...democratic.
 
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