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2013-07-08 05:19:29 PM
Haven't stepped foot in these threads until today, and shook my head upon reading the comments asking where the exertion comes from if you're on the ground trying to stop blows aimed at your face.

If you say/ask something like this, regardless of what "high school fights" you claim to have experienced, you know nothing.

Zilch, nada, zippo.

I don't have any side in the TM/GZ case, but have, ahem, experience in the combative arts.

/BJJ
//Combat JJ
///Judo
////No-Gi submission grappling
//Been beat up by MMA dudes as a spar target
//I can't strike to save my life, so I choke
 
2013-07-08 05:21:37 PM
Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman because he was angry they didn't have Tropical Skittles. Fact.
 
2013-07-08 05:22:19 PM
Did anyone else catch when Dr. Bao said:
When referring to the other case from which he learned that Martin may have lived up to 10 minutes he said
The other case was a '_real_' self defense case.

No Bias there.   Surprised the defense didn't jump on that - maybe during summation.
 
2013-07-08 05:22:36 PM

s2s2s2: Cletus C.: If there's one thing we know about marijuana, it's that it makes you violently aggressive.  So yes, very important evidence.

It absolutely does not rule it out.


"Alcohol and Drug Abuse Institute."

Begging the question a bit, aren't they? It's a resource for parents and teens alike! I guess no one else really needs drug information.

Also, I'm glad their content is "science-based", because I only go to websites that promise the "real story" or "the facts" about a given topic. If a source doesn't loudly proclaim its lack of bias, how can I trust it?
 
2013-07-08 05:22:52 PM

nekom: creepy ass-cracka:
I know that pot affects people in differently, and usually wouldn't make someone more aggressive. But, here, the jury has heard a recording of George saying that the kid looked like he was on drugs so, if the kid really was on drugs allowing the tox report shows that Zim wasn't just picking on this kid b/c he was "walking while black" or whatever.

I suppose it speaks to his credibility, I just don't see pot as a big deal.  Traces of cocaine MAYBE, but it's not really clear from what they're saying exactly how much a "trace" is.  Weed, hell alcohol is worse than that.  A drunk driver will run a stop sign.  A stoned driver will sit there and wait for it to turn green.


It is just a way to introduce some doubts. How does the testimony look to the jury of everyone who claims to have known Martin well and he NEVER took drugs. If they can show Martin used them then how well did they know him after all? Also implies Martin's judgement might have been impaired or influenced in a different manner then normal.
 
2013-07-08 05:22:59 PM
If I were Zimmerman's defense, I would probably think twice about getting the toxicology report in.  It could be shown to not help their case.  If the jury, based on their own experiences, decides that being high would have made TM mellow, not aggressive, then GZ's self defense claim begins to become less tenable.
 
2013-07-08 05:23:08 PM

Testiclaw: Haven't stepped foot in these threads until today, and shook my head upon reading the comments asking where the exertion comes from if you're on the ground trying to stop blows aimed at your face.

If you say/ask something like this, regardless of what "high school fights" you claim to have experienced, you know nothing.

Zilch, nada, zippo.

I don't have any side in the TM/GZ case, but have, ahem, experience in the combative arts.

/BJJ
//Combat JJ
///Judo
////No-Gi submission grappling
//Been beat up by MMA dudes as a spar target
//I can't strike to save my life, so I choke


All I see here are a bunch of Bs and Js, grappling and submissions. So I imagined that you had a black belt in gimping.
 
2013-07-08 05:24:09 PM

nekom: washington-babylon:
I agree with you as far as this is concerned. Oddly enough though, the Irish were and are still treated as an underclass themselves, albeit not so broadly in America as elsewhere.

No question they once were second class citizens, we've all seen the "No Irish need apply" signs.  I have Irish ancestry so I'm aware of the history, but I'm not bitter about it because it doesn't exist in the scope of my life at present.  If I were STILL making less money than I should because of my Irish heritage, I imagine I'd feel a lot different about it.  I'd imagine today the biggest issue would be amongst the other British Isles peoples.  Since I have basically all of them in my family tree, I guess I should be fighting with myself.


Same here- Grandfather on my Mother's side is Howe (English), Grandmother is Henderson (Scottish) and some Irish slave family that we cannot trace very far back. Dad's side is Cherokee and Goodwin (Saxon English), tracing direct lineage from Harold Godwinson.
 
2013-07-08 05:24:33 PM

Cletus C.: tenpoundsofcheese: Cletus C.: tenpoundsofcheese: Cletus C.: creepy ass-cracka: George said that Martin looked like he was on drugs.

Tox shows THC.

Why is this even up for debate? If the tox showed that Martin was clean, you know the prosecution would be waiving it around all over the place.

If there's one thing we know about marijuana, it's that it makes you Parnoid violently aggressive.  So yes, very important evidence.

FTFY
A paranoid person being followed by a crazy ass cracker who has beaten up a snitch before - not a high likelihood for a pleasant confrontation

Pot paranoia makes you flee, if anything. Usually to hide behind the potted plant.

Not everyone reacts the same way to paranoia.  There is fight and flight.

I have researched this very drug over many years with many people. I believe I have standing as an expert witness. Smoking weed is not what got Trayvon Martin killed.


Duh.  A bullet killed him.
Although it is irrelevant, the question is whether Trayvon started the confrontation, escalated it, or refused to stop it, even when George  was immobilized.
 
2013-07-08 05:24:55 PM

ThatDarkFellow: Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman because he was angry they didn't have Tropical Skittles. Fact.


And since Zimmerman seems to have Tropical Skittles for a brain, everything makes sense.
 
2013-07-08 05:25:15 PM

nekom: Cletus C.:
I have researched this very drug over many years with many people. I believe I have standing as an expert witness. Smoking weed is not what got Trayvon Martin killed.

I would agree.  I think it's EXTREMELY unlikely it contributed to his death in any way.

/internet Ph.D. in weed science


I actually study this drug. as I've said before, he was probably not very intoxicated at the time of the incident. however, to make an accurate assessment, you would need to know the dose consumed and whether or not he was a chronic user
 
2013-07-08 05:26:39 PM
For the record, I don't really think the fox screen was relevant to who started the fight and/or any aggression Martin might have had. I support legalization, and think its a relatively harmless drug compared to alcohol.

BUT, it does buttress the "it looks like he's on drugs" statement of Zimmerman's as a statement with basis in fact, not as a statement backed on racial profiling. Just as a statement "this guy looks drunk" would have been relevant if Martin's toxicology report showed alcohol.

And, at the end of the day, it was the prosecutions own witness who opened this door with his testimony, so it should be allowed under that principle alone.
 
2013-07-08 05:27:41 PM

ThatDarkFellow: Testiclaw: Haven't stepped foot in these threads until today, and shook my head upon reading the comments asking where the exertion comes from if you're on the ground trying to stop blows aimed at your face.

If you say/ask something like this, regardless of what "high school fights" you claim to have experienced, you know nothing.

Zilch, nada, zippo.

I don't have any side in the TM/GZ case, but have, ahem, experience in the combative arts.

/BJJ
//Combat JJ
///Judo
////No-Gi submission grappling
//Been beat up by MMA dudes as a spar target
//I can't strike to save my life, so I choke

All I see here are a bunch of Bs and Js, grappling and submissions. So I imagined that you had a black belt in gimping.


I don't have a Black Belt in anything, so I would take that if I could.
 
2013-07-08 05:29:08 PM
So a weak, fat out of shape wimp decides to follow a suspicious guy at night that appears to be high on drugs... and he knows the cops are coming but he gets out of the vehicle anyway to get a closer look, at night... a closer look at the asshole on drugs that is always getting away with it.  Is this the Chewbaca defense?
 
2013-07-08 05:29:18 PM

Sline: "Alcohol and Drug Abuse Institute."


Better?
 
2013-07-08 05:30:26 PM
News flash: Angela Corey is wearing a toe ring in court. Second toe, right foot.

rofl what
 
2013-07-08 05:31:21 PM

Abuse Liability: a chronic user


Heh.

GIS: "Chronic"
 
2013-07-08 05:31:23 PM

Testiclaw: Haven't stepped foot in these threads until today, and shook my head upon reading the comments asking where the exertion comes from if you're on the ground trying to stop blows aimed at your face.

If you say/ask something like this, regardless of what "high school fights" you claim to have experienced, you know nothing.

Zilch, nada, zippo.

I don't have any side in the TM/GZ case, but have, ahem, experience in the combative arts.

/BJJ
//Combat JJ
///Judo
////No-Gi submission grappling
//Been beat up by MMA dudes as a spar target
//I can't strike to save my life, so I choke


I did not say there was no exertion, I simply stated that the first responders did not see GZ breathing heavily. what would be your alternative interpretation? That there was no fight and that both GZ and the witnesses are all lying? I mean, if witness testimony Plus the first responder testimony isn't evidence that my stance is plausible, I don't know what is.
 
2013-07-08 05:31:37 PM

Mi-5: If I were Zimmerman's defense, I would probably think twice about getting the toxicology report in.  It could be shown to not help their case.  If the jury, based on their own experiences, decides that being high would have made TM mellow, not aggressive, then GZ's self defense claim begins to become less tenable.


What the marijuana use shows is that Trayvon wasn't the sweet little angel that his family and prosecutors are trying to make him out to be. That's what's going to stick with the jury more than anything, especially since they're all women who probably believe that their own kids would never smoke weed.
 
2013-07-08 05:32:18 PM

TheWhoppah: So a weak, fat out of shape wimp decides to follow a suspicious guy at night that appears to be high on drugs... and he knows the cops are coming but he gets out of the vehicle anyway to get a closer look, at night... a closer look at the asshole on drugs that is always getting away with it.  Is this the Chewbaca defense?


It doesn't matter if what he did was stupid. It only matters whether it was legal.
 
2013-07-08 05:33:13 PM
washington-babylon:
Same here- Grandfather on my Mother's side is Howe (English), Grandmother is Henderson (Scottish) and some Irish slave family that we cannot trace very far back. Dad's side is Cherokee and Goodwin (Saxon English), tracing direct lineage from Harold Godwinson.

We should start a mutt power movement!  I've got the English side traced out (Horner) all the way back to royalty, not that that's impressive, pretty much anyone with English ancestry can make that claim, and the further back you go, it gets a little tenuous.  Actually the nursery rhyme "Little Jack Horner" was about an actual person, an ancestor of mine.  I forget what it's a metaphor for, some kinda crooked land deal with a king or something.  The Irish side (Rice) founded a town near here.  The German side is mostly Baumgardner (like 20 different ways to spell it), I forget where the French came from but it's French Canadian.

We are a new race, we will prevail.
 
2013-07-08 05:33:27 PM

s2s2s2: Sline: "Alcohol and Drug Abuse Institute."

Better?


Much better. ;)
 
2013-07-08 05:35:13 PM

Abuse Liability: That there was no fight and that both GZ


Did Zimmerman say he fought back? It can be an attack without being a fight.
 
2013-07-08 05:37:46 PM

s2s2s2: Abuse Liability: That there was no fight and that both GZ

Did Zimmerman say he fought back? It can be an attack without being a fight.


well that was what I was trying to say before. But people wanted to jump all over me because I was trying to rationalize why the first responders did not see heavy breathing.
 
2013-07-08 05:37:53 PM

Mi-5: If I were Zimmerman's defense, I would probably think twice about getting the toxicology report in.  It could be shown to not help their case.  If the jury, based on their own experiences, decides that being high would have made TM mellow, not aggressive, then GZ's self defense claim begins to become less tenable.


If a "mellow" person did that damage to George, then George should be relieved since if Martin wasn't a drug user, the damage could have been a lot worse.
 
2013-07-08 05:38:04 PM

BarkingUnicorn: TheWhoppah: So a weak, fat out of shape wimp decides to follow a suspicious guy at night that appears to be high on drugs... and he knows the cops are coming but he gets out of the vehicle anyway to get a closer look, at night... a closer look at the asshole on drugs that is always getting away with it.  Is this the Chewbaca defense?

It doesn't matter if what he did was stupid. It only matters whether it was legal.



Well, he can't be TOO STUPID because doing something so reckless that normal people would never do it if they were in the same situation can get you convicted of manslaughter in Florida.
 
2013-07-08 05:38:52 PM
Everybody working late tonight, court is in recess until the expert that created the defense's recreation animation arrives, at which point we will have a Daubert hearing on the admissibility of scientific evidence.
 
2013-07-08 05:40:21 PM

Elegy: Everybody working late tonight, court is in recess until the expert that created the defense's recreation animation arrives, at which point we will have a Daubert hearing on the admissibility of scientific evidence.


Just technical stuff though, right?  I mean, the jury was excused for the day right?
 
2013-07-08 05:42:06 PM

s2s2s2: Abuse Liability: That there was no fight and that both GZ

Did Zimmerman say he fought back? It can be an attack without being a fight.


It's rather obvious he fought back. And won!
 
2013-07-08 05:42:44 PM

The judge needs to die to with @georgezimmerman & the defense team

- JPRETTYVON (@LOVERGRL07) July 8, 2013

Well somebody on Team Trayvon is getting a visit from the FBI.
 
2013-07-08 05:44:04 PM

Cletus C.: s2s2s2: Abuse Liability: That there was no fight and that both GZ

Did Zimmerman say he fought back? It can be an attack without being a fight.

It's rather obvious he fought back. And won!


pretty obvious he won anyway
 
2013-07-08 05:44:40 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The judge needs to die to with @georgezimmerman & the defense team- JPRETTYVON (@LOVERGRL07) July 8, 2013
Well somebody on Team Trayvon is getting a visit from the FBI.


from her profile:  I'AM SUCH A AMAZING HAPPY PERSON... THE WORLD NEEDS A BEAUTIFUL SMILE LIKE MINE TO BRIGHTEN UP THE DAY
 
2013-07-08 05:45:03 PM

Somebody needs to assassinate @georgezimmerman & his defense team 🔫🔪💣🔨⛽

- JPRETTYVON (@LOVERGRL07) July 8, 2013



LOL
 
2013-07-08 05:45:09 PM
Abuse Liability:
pretty obvious he won anyway

Nobody won.  A young man is dead, and Zimmerman's life will never be the same.  It's hard to call him a winner in all of this.  Plus unless he's a sociopath, he's probably feeling a lot of guilt.  I certainly would be.
 
2013-07-08 05:46:13 PM

Abuse Liability: cretinbob: TheWhoppah: Following someone in a vehicle and then getting out to follow them on foot is not something a helpless lame fat person would do unless perhaps they were emboldened by a weapon.

Forget it. The helpless lame fat people who are busy defending Martin don't get it, and don't want to get it.

Of course he wasn't fat at the time.

ANyway I just popped back in to mention the testimony of Mr. MMA talking about how physically exhausting a fight is. Then think about how Zimmerman wasn't out of breath. It takes like 20 minutes for your body to recover from strenuous activity if you aren't in constant tip-top shape. The cops arrived after...less than 2?

You're not doing much fighting if you're getting your face pummeled.  Hardly requires exertion.  Also, you point out that GZ wasn't fat at the time and you're correct, he was 185 (from police report) and Martin was weighed in at 158 (+/- the weight of about 1/5 of a heart).  Its interesting that everyone that talks about the huge difference in weight can't tell that 27 pounds isn't the same as a 40 pound difference.


I'm on a "smart" phone and can't quote two posts or snip text, but this is an example of what I was replying to.

I don't have an interpretation of the witness' testimonies, because I know farkall about the facts and haven't been watching this trial at all.

I only chimed in because of your comments and how wildly inaccurate they are in terms of exertion on the bottom or while being struck.

In shape or not, there is a myraid of factors that come into play during altercations. This is especially true if you're inexperienced; there are habits and instincts that all people have when being beaten on.

This is especially true if fully mounted.
 
2013-07-08 05:46:30 PM

nekom: Abuse Liability:
pretty obvious he won anyway

Nobody won.  A young man is dead, and Zimmerman's life will never be the same.  It's hard to call him a winner in all of this.  Plus unless he's a sociopath, he's probably feeling a lot of guilt.  I certainly would be.


I just meant he won the fight.  I agree nobody won that night.  Mostly being snarky in response to snark.
 
2013-07-08 05:47:40 PM

vrax: This seems to not be the case under Florida law as you can start a fight and if you are losing, and fear for your life, you can still use lethal force.


The presupposition is that the Stand part means that you are already there and that Your Ground means that you haven't already fled once when you could have justifiably used it the first time before you fled. I was saying that you can't in essence run away, go get a weapon or take a moment to work up your courage and then come back and start a fight with the intention of causing death or serious bodily harm.

That's what I meant by that.
 
2013-07-08 05:50:08 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Mi-5: If I were Zimmerman's defense, I would probably think twice about getting the toxicology report in.  It could be shown to not help their case.  If the jury, based on their own experiences, decides that being high would have made TM mellow, not aggressive, then GZ's self defense claim begins to become less tenable.

What the marijuana use shows is that Trayvon wasn't the sweet little angel that his family and prosecutors are trying to make him out to be. That's what's going to stick with the jury more than anything, especially since they're all women who probably believe that their own kids would never smoke weed.


tenpoundsofcheese: Mi-5: If I were Zimmerman's defense, I would probably think twice about getting the toxicology report in.  It could be shown to not help their case.  If the jury, based on their own experiences, decides that being high would have made TM mellow, not aggressive, then GZ's self defense claim begins to become less tenable.

If a "mellow" person did that damage to George, then George should be relieved since if Martin wasn't a drug user, the damage could have been a lot worse.


Looking at this from a defense perspective, you have to have a purpose with any evidence you offer, because the prosecution can turn anything you do against you.  I repeatedly reminded member panels that my client doesn't have to present anything at all, and they can't hold it against him.

Now, if the defense gets toxicology report in, the prosecution will only have to bring in an expert to show the effects of THC on the human body and effect on behavior.  If and when that expert says that the likely effects are "euphoria", "laughter", etc., no matter how quick or adept the defense is at trying to suppress that testimony, you can't "unring" a bell, and that will stick with the jury throughout the duration.

And parents don't exist in a vacuum.  Some, if not all, of those jury members have smoked or knows someone who has smoked weed, and as much as they don't want their kids to use it, won't discount the fact that they wouldn't want their kid or someone the know shot because he "acted funny" or "seemed like he was on drugs".   If anything, they will turn a bad eye on Zimmerman for knowingly putting himself in a situation that he could be confronted by someone he believes are on drugs.  They would likely think "if I saw someone who i thought was on drugs, and I may believe that person may act unpredictably, would I, as  a reasonable person, put myself in a position to be confronted or to confront said person?"

I think we know the answer to that: most likely not.  And combined with what their preconceived notions of what weed does to a person, the TM was aggressor begins to look shaky, and GZ's team will be scrambling to undo the damage.
 
2013-07-08 05:50:18 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Mi-5: If I were Zimmerman's defense, I would probably think twice about getting the toxicology report in.  It could be shown to not help their case.  If the jury, based on their own experiences, decides that being high would have made TM mellow, not aggressive, then GZ's self defense claim begins to become less tenable.

What the marijuana use shows is that Trayvon wasn't the sweet little angel that his family and prosecutors are trying to make him out to be. That's what's going to stick with the jury more than anything, especially since they're all women who probably believe that their own kids would never smoke weed.


Believe it or not, marijuana isn't quite as stigmatized as it used to be. Perhaps even the jurors themselves have at one time or another indulged in this "demon weed". If they haven't they probably know someone who has as I assume all of them went to high school at one time.

Unless Martin was on something a little "harder" this trace amount of weed is completely irrelevant to me. Weed isn't going to make Martin attack. Fear or merely simple aggression/teenage invincible tough guy syndrome would though.
 
2013-07-08 05:51:00 PM

nekom: Elegy: Everybody working late tonight, court is in recess until the expert that created the defense's recreation animation arrives, at which point we will have a Daubert hearing on the admissibility of scientific evidence.

Just technical stuff though, right?  I mean, the jury was excused for the day right?


Yeah, they were gone for the day at 4:30.

To recap the afternoon's business that took place outside the hearing of the jury:

Richardson hearing: the Vietnam vet said in his depot that he had not listened to the tape, but then went and listened to the tape (something he admitted in testimony). Prosecution moved to have his testimony stricken for discovery violations. Defense won this motion.

Toxicology reports - defense won. Motion of limiting is now removed and is admissible in front of the jury.

Expert witness - forgot his name but former cop now consultant to testify on the effects of shooting someone, the effects of being beaten up, FL on self defense, whether or not Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force. 50/50 split, expert can testify but there is a motion of limiting and he cannot testify on florida law or whether it not Zimmerman was justified. (Someone correct me here, I missed part of this hearing)

Animation video created by defense - currently pending the arrival of the expert that created it, so a hearing can be held on its scientific validity.
 
2013-07-08 05:51:16 PM

Testiclaw: This is especially true if fully mounted.


He had gotten that little break when he stopped following, per the dispatchers suggestion.
 
2013-07-08 05:53:02 PM

Testiclaw: I only chimed in because of your comments and how wildly inaccurate they are in terms of exertion on the bottom or while being struck.


Also, it was less than 40 seconds of "pummeling", and he was crying for help, could he have been taking in extra oxygen?
 
2013-07-08 05:53:12 PM

Mi-5: If anything, they will turn a bad eye on Zimmerman for knowingly putting himself in a situation that he could be confronted by someone he believes are on drugs.  They would likely think "if I saw someone who i thought was on drugs, and I may believe that person may act unpredictably, would I, as  a reasonable person, put myself in a position to be confronted or to confront said person?"


Which goes even further to suggest that Zimmerman had no interest in confronting Martin and only left his vehicle so he could see where Martin ran off to.
 
2013-07-08 05:55:59 PM

s2s2s2: Testiclaw: I only chimed in because of your comments and how wildly inaccurate they are in terms of exertion on the bottom or while being struck.

Also, it was less than 40 seconds of "pummeling", and he was crying for help, could he have been taking in extra oxygen?


40 seconds is a long time to be struggling for position and taking shots. Screaming would drain oxygen faster, I'd imagine. I've never screamed while grappling, so I don't know for sure. It took me several weeks on continuous practice and training to be able to recover quickly enough to talk after ground work.
 
2013-07-08 05:56:55 PM

Elegy: nekom: Elegy: Everybody working late tonight, court is in recess until the expert that created the defense's recreation animation arrives, at which point we will have a Daubert hearing on the admissibility of scientific evidence.

Just technical stuff though, right?  I mean, the jury was excused for the day right?

Yeah, they were gone for the day at 4:30.

To recap the afternoon's business that took place outside the hearing of the jury:

Richardson hearing: the Vietnam vet said in his depot that he had not listened to the tape, but then went and listened to the tape (something he admitted in testimony). Prosecution moved to have his testimony stricken for discovery violations. Defense won this motion.

Toxicology reports - defense won. Motion of limiting is now removed and is admissible in front of the jury.

Expert witness - forgot his name but former cop now consultant to testify on the effects of shooting someone, the effects of being beaten up, FL on self defense, whether or not Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force. 50/50 split, expert can testify but there is a motion of limiting and he cannot testify on florida law or whether it not Zimmerman was justified. (Someone correct me here, I missed part of this hearing)

Animation video created by defense - currently pending the arrival of the expert that created it, so a hearing can be held on its scientific validity.


Yeah, this is pretty much over even without the animation
 
2013-07-08 05:57:33 PM

MagSeven: Popcorn Johnny: Mi-5: If I were Zimmerman's defense, I would probably think twice about getting the toxicology report in.  It could be shown to not help their case.  If the jury, based on their own experiences, decides that being high would have made TM mellow, not aggressive, then GZ's self defense claim begins to become less tenable.

What the marijuana use shows is that Trayvon wasn't the sweet little angel that his family and prosecutors are trying to make him out to be. That's what's going to stick with the jury more than anything, especially since they're all women who probably believe that their own kids would never smoke weed.

Believe it or not, marijuana isn't quite as stigmatized as it used to be. Perhaps even the jurors themselves have at one time or another indulged in this "demon weed". If they haven't they probably know someone who has as I assume all of them went to high school at one time.

Unless Martin was on something a little "harder" this trace amount of weed is completely irrelevant to me. Weed isn't going to make Martin attack. Fear or merely simple aggression/teenage invincible tough guy syndrome would though.


I don't think the defense is going to argue that weed may Martin attack.

What they will argue in closing, however, is that the statement "this guy looks like he's on drugs" was a factual statement, no evidence of Zimmerman racially profiling Martin.
 
2013-07-08 05:57:55 PM
I'll add that our new guys/gals often struggle with 2 minute rounds of rolling when they're just starting out. Grappling is an activity where general conditioning only does so much in terms of building specific grappling work capacity.
 
2013-07-08 05:59:04 PM

Elegy: whether or not Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force. 50/50 split, expert can testify but there is a motion of limiting and he cannot testify on florida law or whether it not Zimmerman was justified. (Someone correct me here, I missed part of this hearing)


Witness cannot testify as to the ultimate fact in question: i.e. whether GZ was justified in use of force.  Only the trier of fact (jury) can determine that.  If the defense asks that, and the judge allows and prosecution fails to object, then everyone should have their bar cert pulled swiftly.
 
2013-07-08 06:00:22 PM

Mi-5: Elegy: whether or not Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force. 50/50 split, expert can testify but there is a motion of limiting and he cannot testify on florida law or whether it not Zimmerman was justified. (Someone correct me here, I missed part of this hearing)

Witness cannot testify as to the ultimate fact in question: i.e. whether GZ was justified in use of force.  Only the trier of fact (jury) can determine that.  If the defense asks that, and the judge allows and prosecution fails to object, then everyone should have their bar cert pulled swiftly.


Pretty much, yeah.
 
2013-07-08 06:03:11 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Which goes even further to suggest that Zimmerman had no interest in confronting Martin and only left his vehicle so he could see where Martin ran off to.


But that goes against him in light of the fact that he called the police, they were on their way, and he could have given description, direction, and last sighting to the police.  Women on that panel will not think they would follow TM if they were in the same situation,  so why would GZ do that?
 
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