Elegy: Man, BDLR is really turning on the skeezy emotional schmaltz in cross.I do feel bad for Tracy Martin, hard to lose a kid.
creepy ass-cracka: So, Z's friends and family were disturbed by the screams for help, but M's father re-played the tape 20 times?Why would a father want to hear what he thought was his son screaming for help over and over again?
Abuse Liability: lousyskater: Abuse Liability: Where does the exertion come in?Know how I know you've never been in a fight?I've likely been in plenty more fights than you. The ones that last fifty two seconds don't leave me out of breath for minutes after, even when I'm the aggressor. I've actually been in about 7 fights (all before leaving high school), but thanks for playing.
Abuse Liability: lousyskater: Abuse Liability: Where does the exertion come in?Know how I know you've never been in a fight?Want to know how I know you're out of shape?
Giltric: redmid17: Giltric: Magorn: redmid17: Elegy: Yes! Back at my desk and can watch the trial.Thanks for the updates everyone that provided them.MMA instructor is putting a nail in the coffin of Zimmerman being a fighter. "Scale of 1 to 10 how good was Mr Zimmerman when he came to you?" "Like 0.5""He's so bad I can't actually rate him on that scale."But keep in mind that this is testimony from someone who thinks MMA bears any resemblance to actual fighting. They might as well have called the Rex-Kwan-Do guy. Bad slip by the prosecution letting this guy testify, I would have Voir Dire'd his status as an expert witness into oblivion. Utterly laughable that anyone who teaches that crap that they call MMA would be considered an expert on street fighting of any kind. Technique and training count for less than nothing in a real street fight, it's all about the desire to hurt the other person and a williness to put aside anything resembling a concept of fighting fair or "honor" to do it. and I was taught that a long time ago BY a martial arts instructor who held multiple black belts in Aikido, Tang-so-do, Hapkido, etc, but before that had grown up as the enforcer in street gang in one fo the rougher parts of SE DCStreet fighting is more about cardio than anything else.Most street fights end up with two guys wrestling, grappling, holding onto one another and gasping for air....very little punches are thrown./streetfighter//I hear people try to tap nowadays thoughKen?Gil.Or G.T. if we're friends.Gil Tyler Richardson if you're my mom and I'm in trouble.
Mr_Fabulous: I am going to say the same thing today as I did months ago, when I first learned of this story.If an adult black man carrying a pistol pursued some unarmed white (or other non-black) 17-year-old kid in a nice Florida neighborhood... and shot him dead... not one person here would be arguing his innocence. Not one.
AngryDragon: Elegy: Man, BDLR is really turning on the skeezy emotional schmaltz in cross.I do feel bad for Tracy Martin, hard to lose a kid.I feel sorry for Martin's parents as well. If I were them though, I would probably outraged at this point for what the prosecutors and their ilk have put them through. Even they have to see that there is no case here.
TheWhoppah: I'm sorry but a pussy wimp girly-man is not going to be getting out of his car to observe a suspicious person in the dark unless he is packing heat and are willing to use it.If you can't see this then you are so far up GZ's ass that you only see confirmation bias.
lousyskater: Abuse Liability: lousyskater: Abuse Liability: Where does the exertion come in?Know how I know you've never been in a fight?I've likely been in plenty more fights than you. The ones that last fifty two seconds don't leave me out of breath for minutes after, even when I'm the aggressor. I've actually been in about 7 fights (all before leaving high school), but thanks for playing.Abuse Liability: lousyskater: Abuse Liability: Where does the exertion come in?Know how I know you've never been in a fight?Want to know how I know you're out of shape?Yeah, I'm pretty out of shape. All you've done with that statement is confirmed the whole idea that GZM should have been exhausted after the fight though as he wasn't in the best shape either. Good job.
spiderpaz: This fat soft talk is not going to bode well for Zimmerman's status in prison, on the off chance he gets time for some lesser charge.
FitzShivering: Abuse Liability: lousyskater: Abuse Liability: Where does the exertion come in?Know how I know you've never been in a fight?Want to know how I know you're out of shape?Nah, other person had it right. You've never been in a fight. Doesn't matter how in shape you are, it's exhausting, especially when you hit the ground. Unless you're doing some biatchy slap fight.
Elegy: This should be interesting. This is the fired chief of Sanford PD.
BarkingUnicorn: Crap! Now I'm in an airport and no feeds are working. Everyone here must be downloading porn.
washington-babylon: nekom: This text is now purple:You're going to have to help out with that slavery-as-origin-of-racism angle. The Irish suffered under German racism, but I don't see much slavery having gone on to cause it.Oh sure racism has existed pretty much since human civilization has. I just think that slavery was a key factor in it in the case of the USA. There was a time when it was common for a LOT of people to actually believe that they were less than human, inferior and not fit to live amongst us, even some who argued that slavery was to their benefit. That's why even after slavery officially ended, blacks were viewed as inferior and treated as such for many many generations. It takes a LONG time to heal those kind of wounds.I find it humorous that so many people think that Slavery=Black People in fields. There was a large amount of whites enslaved in the U.S. and other places around the world at the same time. A large portion of these were Irish (in fact, a certain book called "Kidnapped" by R.L. Stevenson was written with this as a main plot point). A great many of these people were stolen children, either orphans or children of families who were of the wrong religious or political faction. Now, I will agree that the majority that were enslaved were Black (or Native American) especially toward the 1860's, I just wish to point out that there were victims from MANY races. This fact is not taught in grade schools today, and has been all but forgotten by most people in the U.S. The last places that it is seriously discussed are obscure history journals and the occasional rare college history lecture.
Headso: creepy ass-cracka: So, Z's friends and family were disturbed by the screams for help, but M's father re-played the tape 20 times?Why would a father want to hear what he thought was his son screaming for help over and over again?you're asking why someone would not act in a rational way after they had a child killed tragically?
FC Exile: Fights I've been in thread.
AngryDragon: Elegy: This should be interesting. This is the fired chief of Sanford PD.Still not getting a feed. He saying anything interesting?
FC Exile: My personal technique involves closing fast and then repeatedly lifting and slamming the opponent into the ground as violently as possible. But that's just me.
YouAreItNoTagBacks: Viewing reality through the lens of revenge movies? You're either a farking idiot, a troll or both. Given the nonsensical second paragraph, I'm leaning towards the latter but if it's the former, go back to jerking off to Death Wish and leave the grown ups alone.
Tatsuma: Judge, we ask you please to strike EVERYTHING the defense has said off the record, please.
parasol: No, what's really on trial here is the ability for non-minorities to use the "Angry Black Man Syndrome"
Raiden333: nekom: Raiden333: I have to admit, before the trial I was 100% on Team Treyvon, but every day of this sways me more and more to Not Guilty. Doesn't help that the prosecution is godawful at this.Can't blame you, the inaccurate reporting early on got me too. To be fair, any time a 17 year old kid gets killed it's upsetting and never good. The way it was initially reported, you'd think he went to Martin's house, kicked down the door and shot him 9 times in the back as he tried to flee for his life. I was outraged.But now, it looks like two knuckleheads got mixed up in the worst possible way. One knucklehead playing cop, and another knucklehead trying to prove how tough he is. Their lives intersected in just the wrong way. It's tragic, but it isn't murder.Couldn't have said it better myself.
The Singing Bush: OK, so if I'm reading this right, I can attack someone for reaching for his gun as a preventative to felony action, but not with lethal force even if I feared for my life. I am unable to disarm him, so I have not neutralized the threat. But I can't try to knock him unconscious so that I can disarm him? I have to just kinda go along with the fight and toe the line to where he doesn't fear for his life and in hopes he doesn't pull his gun and shoot? Seriously, those are my options?
Elegy: Richardson hearing over defense violations of discovery.Not sure which witness they are arguing about and trying impeach, though, anyone know? Perhaps one of the ones I missed this morning?
Elegy: Aguing now about removing the motion of limiting and allowing the toxicology reports on Martin to be heard by the jury.
s2s2s2: TaskMan: What part was Morally Reprehensible about his actions?FACT: It was George Zimmerman who put Baby in the corner.
creepy ass-cracka: George said that Martin looked like he was on drugs.Tox shows THC.Why is this even up for debate? If the tox showed that Martin was clean, you know the prosecution would be waiving it around all over the place.
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