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(WPTV)   Will the prosecution cry "Uncle" after GZ's uncle's testimony? Will the judge rule that the defense can't present a defense because it might cause the jury to decide "not guilty"? Will these Zimmerman trial threads ever end? Not today   (wptv.com) divider line 1158
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2013-07-08 12:28:28 PM

nekom: Popcorn Johnny: The defense is slamming the fark out of the prosecution. This isn't even fair.

They have nothing. I've asked this before and nobody has been able to give a good answer: What could the prosecution be doing differently? When you're forced into a probable losing case, you can only work with what little you have.


Like I said before, they could have gone with what they knew they could prove. If they'd pressed charges of negligent homicide, this case would have been all but a slam-dunk: the undisputed facts alone are enough to pin Zimmerman into a corner, and with some of the stuff that's being fought out now, they could have nailed him with no trouble.

But the mob demanded a murder charge, and the prosecution caved. They can't prove malice aforethought, and so the charge killed the case. If they hadn't gotten greedy, Zimmerman could have been starting a very long prison sentence by now.
 
2013-07-08 12:29:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Cletus C.: Mid_mo_mad_man: HAMMERTOE: Cletus C.: What a load of carp. Zimmerman was "led" by Martin. He was stalking him. That is creepy.

1) Zimmerman was following Martin, making no attempt to be stealthy, also making no attempt to confront him; just observe him until the authorities arrived.

2) Martin knew Zimmerman was following him. Martin chose where to go. Martin chose to lead Zimmerman into the dark back-alley where the confrontation and altercation took place,. rather than let Zimmerman know where he was going. (Where to send the po-po.). Zimmerman followed.

You can't change the facts.

It's very clear Martin wasn't just walking home. A ten minute trip was taking 30+ minutes. That being said he wasn't scared or worried over the " cracker" following him. He wanted to teach him a lesson for dissing him.

Sure, the guy walking home unarmed, whatever the route, was the problem, not the guy with the gun locked and loaded who was following him. We didn't really need him to follow Martin.

Meh.  He called 911.  He was keeping track of where Martin was.  He did the same thing before so that when the police showed up he can direct him to where the person is.  If the gun was "locked" why do you have so much butt hurt?


Locked and loaded. I thought it was a thing.

Anyway, cop wannabe running down anyone suspicious in the neighborhood. Call the cops and go home, junior. We don't need you to follow him. Bad things can happen.
 
2013-07-08 12:30:46 PM

Mr_Fabulous: I am going to say the same thing today as I did months ago, when I first learned of this story.

If an adult black man carrying a pistol pursued some unarmed white (or other non-black) 17-year-old kid in a nice Florida neighborhood... and shot him dead... not one person here would be arguing his innocence. Not one.


But would the white kid have tried yo sneak up on him and initiate a fight in which he bashed the black man's head on the cement and then tried to take his gun?


Bc u know..u left all that out.
 
2013-07-08 12:31:39 PM

Millennium: nekom: Popcorn Johnny: The defense is slamming the fark out of the prosecution. This isn't even fair.

They have nothing. I've asked this before and nobody has been able to give a good answer: What could the prosecution be doing differently? When you're forced into a probable losing case, you can only work with what little you have.

Like I said before, they could have gone with what they knew they could prove. If they'd pressed charges of negligent homicide, this case would have been all but a slam-dunk: the undisputed facts alone are enough to pin Zimmerman into a corner, and with some of the stuff that's being fought out now, they could have nailed him with no trouble.

But the mob demanded a murder charge, and the prosecution caved. They can't prove malice aforethought, and so the charge killed the case. If they hadn't gotten greedy, Zimmerman could have been starting a very long prison sentence by now.


Nope. No evidence anywhere that shows any wrong doing by Zimmerman, none.
 
2013-07-08 12:31:42 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Facetious_Speciest: DROxINxTHExWIND

I'm sure they would be as accepting if they went to an inner city and they were followed and questioned by a resident.

I don't think the proper response is to punch someone in the face.


Nether do I. Not sure what your point was. You have no evidence that is what happened, except for the words of the person who is trying not to go to prison for murder. I'm pretty sure Aaron Hernandez has a story too. Should we take his word as well?


You haven't been following this case have you? Plenty of evidence besides ZMs word on what actually happened
 
2013-07-08 12:31:44 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: You have no evidence that is what happened


The court does.
 
2013-07-08 12:31:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Cpl.D: The important thing to remember here is that it's apparently legally and morally correct to follow someone and confront them in the dark, get them to hit you by acting in a threatening manner, then shoot them dead.

Just remember the crocodile tears later.

/that what these threads teach me

1/10
Please try a little bit harder.  I grade on a curve.


Truly, ya don't have to do all that crap, just carry a drop piece and you can kill who you wanta kill. This one time in Reno I shot a man just to watch him die.
 
2013-07-08 12:33:13 PM

TheWhoppah: Nabb1: Yes, but it was warranted here. This judge has been brazenly pro-prosecution from the jump, so Zimmerman's lawyers are just creating a record for appeal if the jury flakes out and convicts because they are afraid of the lynch mob surrounding this whole thing.


Granting this particular defense motion is only warranted when the prosecution does not put on any evidence that the defendant committed a crime.  How anyone feels about the quality of that evidence is irrelevant.  All judges everywhere are pro-prosecution.  We are so jaded to pro-prosecution judges that those with only a slight preference for the state are deemed "defense friendly" and those that somehow manage to be actually neutral are viewed a radically pro-criminal and replaced at the next election.



That's not true.  The defense motion for judgment of acquittal should have been granted, because the prosecution's evidence, even if taken as 100% true, did not rule out the reasonable hypothesis that GZ acted in an innocent manner.  The State's evidence, even if all of it is to be believed, failed to eliminate all of the scenarios whereby GZ is not guilty, leaving a guilty hypothesis as the only one.

That's the standard when the evidence is circumstantial.

No reasonable juror could conclude that GZ is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  With this evidence, if believed, a juror could reasonably conclude he's probably guilty, but probably doesn't cut it.
 
2013-07-08 12:34:05 PM

NeoKhan: limeyfellow: AeAe: nekom: LasersHurt:
Neither way is good, if you ask me. And you didn't. But I told you anyway.

No outcome is good.  A couple of knuckleheads collided and a young man died.  It's not murder, but it is a sad situation for all involved.

not murder.  manslaughter.

What I yet to see though is why stand your ground laws don't apply to Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman admitted to following the guy in a car for a number of blocks, then when he sees an appropiate time he jumps out and goes after the kid with no sort of announcement of intent, he enters the personal space of Trayvon Martin to confront himself. If Martin had been older and shot Zimmerman and survive the case would have been thrown out as self defense, especially with the phone calls that Zimmerman made that he is after the kid.

Isn't that what stand your ground laws are about. If you fear for your life you have the right to fight back with all weapons at your disposal?

Zimmerman claims that Trayvon Martin was banging his head against the cement and reaching for the gun when he shot Martin.  Therefore Zimmerman had no real option to retreat at the time of the gunshot, and it's ordinary self-defense.  Stand your Ground would have applied if Trayvon were slowly advancing towards him, Zimmerman had time to run or pull out his gun, and decided that the gun was the better choice.  In short, Stand your Ground is about when you don't fear for your life, but instead fear for your property.  In practice, of course, people who actually fear for their life at the time (but in retrospect could probably have gotten away) may use the Stand your Ground defense.


In theory and in practice, SYG laws were put into place to allow abused women who rightly fear assault or death at the hands of their husband/significant other to shoot and kill them within their own home, without having to retreat.  Technically this was just a clarification of the standard self-defense doctrine, because your home is considered a 'safe place' to retreat to in any circumstance.  It was added to make this action explicit, and generalized so that you need not be the legal owner of an area - it is now simply a place in which you're legally allowed to be.

While most battered women who resorted to violence against their attacker are acquitted of charges, it's long and drawn out, financially difficult at a time when they may be cut off from their sole source of income (the abuser) and unnecessarily difficult if the woman did not kill the attacker outright, so they also rejiggered things to allow for a special SYG pretrial hearing which would expedite the entire case.

Based on a non-braindead analysis of the purpose of this law, and the prior case history where it has been invoked, and his own description of the events, it's unreasonable to expect that Zimmerman would have been able to get the case dismissed based on a SYG premise.  It's even less likely that Martin - had he survived, or killed zimmerman instead - would have been able to invoke it.

Really, all it is, is just a way to get rabid anti-gun crowds whipped up into a frenzy, and frenzy means readership to media sources.
 
2013-07-08 12:35:00 PM

ELKAY: The Zimmerman fan club will never admit that Saint Zimmerman ever did anything wrong.



No, the Due Process Fan Club will stand by the position that the State has insufficient evidence to convict Zimmerman.

But, hey, Obama got his show trial.  That's what matters.
 
2013-07-08 12:35:07 PM

The Muthaship: There is certainly evidence of that (Guy and Zimmerman's injuries, etc), but that's not the point.  He doesn't have to prove himself innocent.


For Fark's sake.  All these threads and there are still people who don't understand what an "affirmative defense" is?

And that self-defense is a (if not the) textbook example of one?

And presume to speak with authority, despite that ignorance?

Oh, right, this is Fark.  Never mind. Carry on.
 
2013-07-08 12:35:11 PM
Talking heads on CNN and FOX have both noted that the jury decided not to take any breaks until lunch, saying that this is indicative of them wanting to get this over with. I wonder if the jury has already heard enough to reach a verdict.
 
2013-07-08 12:36:19 PM

Cletus C.: Sure, the guy walking home trespassing unarmed, whatever the route, was the problem, not the guy with the gun locked and loaded who was following him. We didn't really need him to follow Martin.

Of course not. But he needed to, to determine where to send the police.
 
2013-07-08 12:36:25 PM

Scerpes: There was no indictment.


"No person shall be held to answer for a  capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia when in actual service in time of War or public danger".

So says the 5th amendment. There are exceptions in some jurisdictions where instead of using a Grand Jury the same evidence that one would show to the Grand Jury can be shown to a judge instead to make a determination on whether the evidence is good enough to show that a jury may convict no matter by how slim of a margin it might be. Hence the old saying that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich as the evidence bar is set very low at that point.

An indictment must always be signed off on by a judge although if a Grand Jury has signed off on it is simply signed as a matter of dotting the i's and crossing the t's in a legal sense. The judge isn't going to bother looking at the evidence.
 
2013-07-08 12:36:29 PM
Deucednuisance

For Fark's sake. All these threads and there are still people who don't understand what an "affirmative defense" is?

And that self-defense is a (if not the) textbook example of one?

And presume to speak with authority, despite that ignorance?

Oh, right, this is Fark. Never mind. Carry on.


This post is so ironic it's wearing tight jeans and oversized vintage glasses.
 
2013-07-08 12:37:00 PM

ELKAY: heili skrimsli: ChaosStar: ELKAY: He is a liar. He commited perjury and parts of his story of what happened that night have been proven wrong

Citation needed

Pretty hard to commit perjury when you've never actually been under oath.

He lied in court about his financial situation when determining his bond.


Are you sure or are you just saying that? If you are going to grasp at straws maybe you should grasp a bigger one.
 
2013-07-08 12:37:21 PM

Boojum2k: Wrong. If hypothetical "white kid" had beaten the black guy into the concrete, and was shot in self-defense, you'd find pretty much the same people here defending him for it.


This.
 
2013-07-08 12:39:05 PM
For all the manslaughter wanting people, no evidence for that either. According to what we have seen, the defense didn't even need to present a case. Zimmerman did nothing wrong. Compare it to manslaughter in a car, you have to be doing something negligent. George was not, no matter how many douches say keeping an eye on someone is illegal.
 
2013-07-08 12:39:38 PM

Deucednuisance: The Muthaship: There is certainly evidence of that (Guy and Zimmerman's injuries, etc), but that's not the point.  He doesn't have to prove himself innocent.

For Fark's sake.  All these threads and there are still people who don't understand what an "affirmative defense" is?

And that self-defense is a (if not the) textbook example of one?

And presume to speak with authority, despite that ignorance?

Oh, right, this is Fark.  Never mind. Carry on.



You're not going to make me cite the case law that says that the State is required to disprove a claim of self-defense, are you?

Because I will.

If you want to embarrass yourself, please do.  I'll be waiting with my legal citation.  Tell us all about how the defendant must prove his self-defense claim.  Go on.
 
2013-07-08 12:39:58 PM
There should be no expectation that a 28 year old boy will exercise better judgement than a 17 year old hardened thug.
 
2013-07-08 12:39:59 PM

HAMMERTOE: Boojum2k: Wrong. If hypothetical "white kid" had beaten the black guy into the concrete, and was shot in self-defense, you'd find pretty much the same people here defending him for it.

This.


Yep.  If some white punk (and make no mistake, all races contain punks) attacked a black man under identical circumstances, I would say the very same.  Unfortunate that the kid is dead, but NOT murder.
 
2013-07-08 12:40:45 PM

The Muthaship: I listened to the testimony on satellite radio as I drove to Chicago Friday.  Jesus, Dr, Bao is a moron!


what channel is broadcasting it on SirsXM?
 
2013-07-08 12:41:24 PM

ELKAY: Magorn: tenpoundsofcheese: ELKAY: heili skrimsli: ChaosStar: ELKAY: He is a liar. He commited perjury and parts of his story of what happened that night have been proven wrong

Citation needed

Pretty hard to commit perjury when you've never actually been under oath.

He lied in court about his financial situation when determining his bond.

Liar.

His wife made misleading statements.
George never lied or said anything.
The prosecution said that George had an obligation to tell them which is what they whined about.
George never did have that obligation.

Do try to keep up with the facts rather than the lies

I would commend you to the study of the crimes "subornation of Perjury" and "Misprison of a Felony" both of which GZ committed during his bond hearing, which, if he takes the stand will be fair game for the prosecutors to talk about because a witnesses' credibility is always relevant to his testimony

I wouldn't bother. The Zimmerman fan club will never admit that Saint Zimmerman ever did anything wrong.


You claimed he lied to the court about his finances.
That, along with almost all you other "facts", is wrong.
Deal with it.

George is not perfect, but people like you who are either ignorant of the facts, liars, or even worse, unwilling to change their understanding of the "facts" when presented with evidence are far less perfect than George.
 
2013-07-08 12:42:16 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: ChaosStar: So you don't think he was defending himself?

He brazenly put himself in that situation which lead to the death of a person.through culpable negligence

Manslaughter


Uhh... You know that one interpretation of this is that black people/teenagers/males are totally out of control of their behavior and can not be held responsible for their actions? If it turns out Martin was the first to open the can of woop@ass, you could compare the situation to an idiot tourist being held responsible for the death of a lion because he jumped into its cage and was forced to shoot it when the lion attacked him. That is basically the highest form of racism/age/sex-ism. Slave owners thought they were doing their slaves a favor by providing them food, clothing, place to stay, etc. because they thought their slaves were too incompetent to look after themselves.
 
2013-07-08 12:43:48 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Deucednuisance

For Fark's sake. All these threads and there are still people who don't understand what an "affirmative defense" is?

And that self-defense is a (if not the) textbook example of one?

And presume to speak with authority, despite that ignorance?

Oh, right, this is Fark. Never mind. Carry on.

This post is so ironic it's wearing tight jeans and oversized vintage glasses.


Thanks.
You beat me too it.
It made me laugh when I read it.
 
2013-07-08 12:43:55 PM

Deucednuisance: The Muthaship: There is certainly evidence of that (Guy and Zimmerman's injuries, etc), but that's not the point.  He doesn't have to prove himself innocent.

For Fark's sake.  All these threads and there are still people who don't understand what an "affirmative defense" is?

And that self-defense is a (if not the) textbook example of one?

And presume to speak with authority, despite that ignorance?

Oh, right, this is Fark.  Never mind. Carry on.


To be fair, he really doesn't have to prove he's innocent with an affirmative defense, just show evidence that the self defense was justified. Reasonable doubt can still exist.
 
2013-07-08 12:43:59 PM

stellarossa: Thunderpipes: George was following at a distance, a suspicious person in his neighborhood with a series of break ins. Traypack circled his car. George was on his way back to his car, and was savagely attacked.

Why on Earth is any of that George's fault? Now citizens cannot even observe and report suspicious activity? George is sort of white, Tray is black. Only reason this case even went forward.

surprised the fark modmins haven't pulled this. You nailed it, it's the uncomfortable truth of the situation. people will avoid this topic like the farkin' plague and mither on about SYG or stalking or whatnot.


Sad thing is, the vast majority of black kids killed are killed by other black people, and nobody bats an eye. Perhaps if awareness was raised, that crap would stop. I mean, this is bigger than the OJ trial. The whole country is divided on a pretty clear case of self defense. How many hundreads have been gunned down with real malice since this started?
 
2013-07-08 12:45:26 PM
George did nothing criminally neglegent, period. Can be no manslaughter barring flat out corruption of the jury.
 
2013-07-08 12:46:10 PM

Cletus C.: Treygreen13: Cletus C.: Treygreen13: Cletus C.: Anyway, cop wannabe running down anyone suspicious in the neighborhood. Call the cops and go home, junior. We don't need you to follow him.

Why do you keep coming back here if you aren't learning anything?

What am I supposed to be learning? That it's a good thing people like George Zimmerman are out here turning allegedly suspicious behavior into a dead teen and a farce of a trial?

The only reason it's a farce of a trial is because people like you have already made up your mind and don't care about what *actually* happened.

You're right. I've made up my mind that Zimmerman is not guilty. Which is not the same thing as innocent.


Definition of innocent:  "Not guilty of a crime or offense"

Are you trying to divide by zero?
 
2013-07-08 12:47:04 PM
After the prosecution has rested its case and all their evidence is out in the open, I think it's pretty obvious to see that they did not meet the legal standard for proving that it was not self defense beyond a reasonable doubt.


Not much to say after that.
 
2013-07-08 12:47:18 PM
willfullyobscure

Because Murica in general and the deep south in particular has a long, ugly history of white men murdering black boys on account of their skin color and then getting away with it thanks to the support of the local authorities and courts?

But a white man didn't murder a black boy, and this didn't take place in the Deep South. So...huh?
 
2013-07-08 12:48:07 PM
Thunderpipes:
Sad thing is, the vast majority of black kids killed are killed by other black people, and nobody bats an eye. Perhaps if awareness was raised, that crap would stop. I mean, this is bigger than the OJ trial. The whole country is divided on a pretty clear case of self defense. How many hundreads have been gunned down with real malice since this started?

There are quite a few people in the black community who are TRYING to tackle that very issue, but it's a tough nut to crack.  Poverty, the destruction of the black family, racism, there are a ton of reasons for the situation, and in many ways we're STILL seeing the results of slavery turned into an underclass.  I have NO IDEA how one could go about solving it, but I do realize how deep the problem is.
 
2013-07-08 12:48:44 PM
over/under on the post count, anyone? I'll take $5 on 1300-1500 derpsposts.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-08 12:49:36 PM

Phinn: TheWhoppah: Nabb1: Yes, but it was warranted here. This judge has been brazenly pro-prosecution from the jump, so Zimmerman's lawyers are just creating a record for appeal if the jury flakes out and convicts because they are afraid of the lynch mob surrounding this whole thing.


Granting this particular defense motion is only warranted when the prosecution does not put on any evidence that the defendant committed a crime.  How anyone feels about the quality of that evidence is irrelevant.  All judges everywhere are pro-prosecution.  We are so jaded to pro-prosecution judges that those with only a slight preference for the state are deemed "defense friendly" and those that somehow manage to be actually neutral are viewed a radically pro-criminal and replaced at the next election.

That's not true.  The defense motion for judgment of acquittal should have been granted, because the prosecution's evidence, even if taken as 100% true, did not rule out the reasonable hypothesis that GZ acted in an innocent manner.  The State's evidence, even if all of it is to be believed, failed to eliminate all of the scenarios whereby GZ is not guilty, leaving a guilty hypothesis as the only one.

That's the standard when the evidence is circumstantial.

No reasonable juror could conclude that GZ is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  With this evidence, if believed, a juror could reasonably conclude he's probably guilty, but probably doesn't cut it.


The evidence is nowhere NEAR that clear cut.  Remember, the jury is the SOLE judge of the credibility of all witnesses and what the facts are in this case.  If they chose to believe the wtiness who saw Zimmerman on top of Martin, rather than the witness who claimed the opposite.  If they chose to believe the one who said Martin was the one calling for hlp, rather than the ones who identified Zimmerman,  all of which they are completely within their rights to do,   then they could easily convict, and ther would be zero grounds for a "Judgment NOV" from the judge vacating the conviction.  Do I find that likely?  No in the slightest, but could they convict on the evidence presented? Yes indeed.  And the likelyhood of conviction in my estimation goes up significantlyis GZ takes the stand in his own defense.
 
2013-07-08 12:50:02 PM
I curious as to why the defense is even putting on a defense.  Why not just rest?  The prosecution farked this up so badly they could already appeal if the jury convicts.
 
2013-07-08 12:51:21 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The defense is slamming the fark out of the prosecution. This isn't even fair.


Is it MMA style?
 
2013-07-08 12:51:36 PM

willfullyobscure: over/under on the post count, anyone? I'll take $5 on 1300-1500 derpsposts.

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I doubt it.
There seems to be much less activity here than last week.

After the prosecution kept calling all those defense witnesses I think people got confused.
 
2013-07-08 12:51:42 PM
Magorn

If they chose to believe the wtiness who saw Zimmerman on top of Martin, rather than the witness who claimed the opposite.

Random nitpick, but there's no contradiction there.
 
2013-07-08 12:52:25 PM

nekom: Thunderpipes:
Sad thing is, the vast majority of black kids killed are killed by other black people, and nobody bats an eye. Perhaps if awareness was raised, that crap would stop. I mean, this is bigger than the OJ trial. The whole country is divided on a pretty clear case of self defense. How many hundreads have been gunned down with real malice since this started?

There are quite a few people in the black community who are TRYING to tackle that very issue, but it's a tough nut to crack.  Poverty, the destruction of the black family, racism, there are a ton of reasons for the situation, and in many ways we're STILL seeing the results of slavery turned into an underclass.  I have NO IDEA how one could go about solving it, but I do realize how deep the problem is.


What, you mean that black people haven't overcome the slavery and oppression issue yet? I was born in 1978, which means that just a little over 100 years before my birth, I could have purchased a black man just a few miles from here at a slave auction. The last Civil War veteran died just 20 years before I was born. There were still literacy tests for black people enforced just a little more than a decade before I was born. Clearly, I have had no advantages being a white person living in the South, even if I moved here just two years ago. Clearly.
 
2013-07-08 12:52:41 PM

doczoidberg: It's called "Yahoo with a Gun." It will be about a neighborhood watch volunteer who breaks up a drug ring, bumbling his way through the entire farcical story.

Think "Paul Blart," but darker.


AMC already has it. It's called Breaking Bad.
 
2013-07-08 12:52:45 PM

FitzShivering: I curious as to why the defense is even putting on a defense.  Why not just rest?  The prosecution farked this up so badly they could already appeal if the jury convicts.


I am really getting the impression they truly do not like each other  and not only do they want to win they want to beat their heads into a side walk(only once though, the non dangerous way)
 
2013-07-08 12:52:57 PM
KellyX

You still really consider Florida to be the "deep south"

I don't, but willfullyobscure does. Who knows?
 
2013-07-08 12:52:59 PM

TheWhoppah: Nabb1: Yes, but it was warranted here. This judge has been brazenly pro-prosecution from the jump, so Zimmerman's lawyers are just creating a record for appeal if the jury flakes out and convicts because they are afraid of the lynch mob surrounding this whole thing.


Granting this particular defense motion is only warranted when the prosecution does not put on any evidence that the defendant committed a crime.  How anyone feels about the quality of that evidence is irrelevant.   All judges everywhere are pro-prosecution.  We are so jaded to pro-prosecution judges that those with only a slight preference for the state are deemed "defense friendly" and those that somehow manage to be actually neutral are viewed a radically pro-criminal and replaced at the next election.



Funny how this is an issue NOW, but its not an issue when folks are quoting their per capita crime statistics to prove that black people are evil.
 
2013-07-08 12:53:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: willfullyobscure: over/under on the post count, anyone? I'll take $5 on 1300-1500 derpsposts.

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I doubt it.
There seems to be much less activity here than last week.

After the prosecution kept calling all those defense witnesses I think people got confused.


So you're good for $5? we can do paypal after the thread closes. Want any odds on it? Make me an offer.
 
2013-07-08 12:53:39 PM

Hobodeluxe: s2s2s2: So the only person to definitively say that it was Trayvon is his mom?

His brother and a neighbor/witness


The neighbor is the one claiming that Martin was wearing a red shirt and laying on their back while Zimmerman was on top wearing a hoodie?

Or did a different witness claim it was martin screaming?
 
2013-07-08 12:54:14 PM
I saw 2 young black men (could have been 16, could have been 20 something) walking down the street last year and pausing and looking into parked vehicles. They could not see me because I was standing behind a bush and some wrought iron. After observing them look into the 5th car I walked out around my bush and stood in my front yard, staring at them.

It took a few moments for them to notice me. When they did their pace quickened slightly, they went eyes front, and turned at the next corner, without looking my way. I walked out to the end of my driveway to watch them go down the side street. After about 2 blocks they both turned around and looked back seeing me still standing there. They turned at the next corner and I did not see them any more.

I did not call the police because no crime had been committed and this is New Orleans so the cops typically have other things going on.

I have thought about the potential bad ways that might have gone if my staring had provoked some kind of other response from them. That said, I could not in good conscious, watch them case my neighbors cars without doing something.

I am a concealed carry permit holder and think you should conduct all matter regarding your personal safety as if you are NOT carrying a gun. I think some people are emboldened by the possession of a firearm and do stupid things they normally wouldn't (e.g. - parking in a high crime area, escalating an argument etc.).

George Zimmerman is of the emboldened stripe and put himself in that situation.
 
2013-07-08 12:54:18 PM

KellyX: You still really consider Florida to be the "deep south"... There's a reason it's purple


Everything north of Orlando is pretty deep South. Especially when you get up to the point where you're even with the panhandle.
 
2013-07-08 12:54:28 PM

Magorn: The evidence is nowhere NEAR that clear cut. Remember, the jury is the SOLE judge of the credibility of all witnesses and what the facts are in this case. If they chose to believe the wtiness who saw Zimmerman on top of Martin, rather than the witness who claimed the opposite. If they chose to believe the one who said Martin was the one calling for hlp, rather than the ones who identified Zimmerman, all of which they are completely within their rights to do, then they could easily convict, and ther would be zero grounds for a "Judgment NOV" from the judge vacating the conviction. Do I find that likely? No in the slightest, but could they convict on the evidence presented? Yes indeed. And the likelyhood of conviction in my estimation goes up significantlyis GZ takes the stand in his own defense.



In a case based on circumstantial evidence, that is not the standard for evaluating the evidence.  The standard is that the evidence must conclusively rule out the not-guilty hypotheses, and leave only the guilty hypothesis as the sole reasonable interpretation of the evidence.

This evidence doesn't do that.

As a result, the case should not go to the jury.

But it will, because Obama and Holder turned this case into a political show trial.  Nothing about this judge indicates she has the requisite level of intelligence and integrity to stand up to that degree of political pressure.
 
2013-07-08 12:55:38 PM

ChaosStar: What people do not seem to be able to comprehend is nothing prior to the concrete being used and/or Martin reaching for the gun matters.
None of it. At all. Period.
Doesn't matter if GZ chased Martin calling him every racial slur in the book.
Doesn't matter if GZ threw the first punch or Martin did.

As soon as lethal force was used, or attempted to be used again GZ, he was within his rights as someone afraid for his life to use his ccw.
The concrete is a deadly weapon, and was used.
Reaching for GZ's gun was lethal force attempting to be utilized.

This completely nullifies not only a murder charge but a manslaughter or any other homicide charge.
Not my opinion, that's the law.


Well put.
 
2013-07-08 12:56:24 PM

doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: Martin is the one to blame for his death.

While I don't feel any laws were broken and Martin earned his death, it's still a loss when a 17 year old kid is so farked up they need to be put down.

If society had a place for violent young thugs to get out of that life one step at a time, instead of just kicked out of regular people school, we might have caught him and people like him before shiat like this goes down. If Martin hadn't been suspended from school it would have been better for Zimmerman, better for Martin, better for everyone.

When citizens kill each other instead of helping expand prosperity, it's always a tragedy.


I'm sorry, your well-reasoned comment doesn't belong on this forum. I believe you have accidentally clicked on 'Fark.com' instead of the site you meant.
 
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