The Muthaship: Can we get some updates about the testimony for those of us that can't listen to the testimony at work instead of the needle endlessly skipping on the record player?
WillofJ2: This line of questioning is as dead horse sand BDLR is beating it over and over again
creepy ass-cracka: Hi guys, I'm just tuning in now... Is this woman another voice recognition expert or something?
heili skrimsli: WillofJ2: This line of questioning is as dead horse sand BDLR is beating it over and over againHe seems to like to repeat 'assholes' and 'farking punks' as much as he can in front of every female witnesses the defense puts on the stand.
neversubmit: White people haven't rioted since the 20's.
HAMMERTOE: Cletus C.: Zimmerman playing Paul Blart is, was and always will be the problem. Without that asshattery a person isn't dead and another on trial. Farking dumbass.Haven't you ever seen an "uplifting" news report, or movie or story where the citizens of a rough neighborhood "take back" their streets from the thugs/ prostitutes/ gang-bangers/ hoods? At some point in every one of these offerings, there is an early climactic moment where a confrontation occurs. Usually multiple confrontations. Early in the story, the confrontation goes in favor of the antagonist(s) of the story. And, the "turning point" involves the confrontation going in favor of the people trying to "take back their streets." Well, this is no different. This country is built upon the foundational principle that we as citizens, bear the personal right (and responsibility) of seeing to the protection of our selves, our neighbors, and our neighborhoods.What's really on trial here is the continued viability of using "Angry Black Man Syndrome" as a mitigating factor in anti-social behavior. Zimmerman observed Martin coming out of a neighbor's back yard, dressed in clothing which obscured him enough to prevent positive identification, so he followed Martin, and summoned the authorities. Nowhere here is antisocial behavior displayed. Martin, on the other hand, led Zimmerman into a secluded area, where the confrontation and altercation took place. Martin was not only taller than Zimmerman, he was also a football player. One does not become a football player by displaying traits tending towards passivity. The testimony of Martin's "friend" clearly demonstrates the antisocial, racist mindset of his clique.Ironically, Obama claims that Martin "could have been his son". If Martin was Obama's son, Obama would never have been elected President. The "Creepy-ass Cracker" mentality would have instantly doomed him from the start.
DROxINxTHExWIND: So far, its just the Prosecutor saying "farking punks" on an endless loop and trying to make Zimmerman's witnesses admit that it was said in anger. The witnesses all contend that it was just a statement that was not said with any malice.
Tatsuma: I'd expect her to at least pretend to be somewhat objective.
The Muthaship: WillofJ2: i dont think they would close with him because the prosecutor is gonna get him to say he changed his mindYou're probably right, but him changing his mind can actually be viewed as even more powerful for the defense.Due to the circumstances./and the ensuing HOA settlement....
DROxINxTHExWIND: The Muthaship: Can we get some updates about the testimony for those of us that can't listen to the testimony at work instead of the needle endlessly skipping on the record player?So far, its just the Prosecutor saying "farking punks" on an endless loop and trying to make Zimmerman's witnesses admit that it was said in anger. The witnesses all contend that it was just a statement that was not said with any malice.
s2s2s2: neversubmit: White people haven't rioted since the 20's.**Other than paid "anarchists".
nekom: Mr. Eugenides: nekom: Mr. Eugenides:Remember, the prosecution showed that Martin initiated the physical confrontation.Well, it's more that they couldn't prove that Zimmerman did. Martin PROBABLY did, we'll never know for sure, but there's certainly copious amounts of reasonable doubt, which means advantage: defense.Nope, Martin's girlfriend testified that Martin turned back to confront Zimmerman. There has been zero evidence presented to suggest that Zimmerman initiated the physical approach.I still think that if I were on a jury trying Martin for assault, I would have to acquit for lack of evidence. Just as I would in this trial. The few witnesses we do have (excepting John Good) are clearly biased. I SUSPECT Martin started it, but I'm not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.
I_C_Weener: dittybopper: Popcorn Johnny: Why did this go from green to red? Farkers demand their GZ vs TM thread!!!!!This.Not saying you guys are scary, but you guys are scary. Fark is more than just a Zimmerman trial clearinghouse . For now, we have the trial threads though. So, in order to keep them, please fasten your seatbelts, use etiquette suitable for a dinner party, and try not to upset the apple cart too much.Got it? Good.Now, what have I missed in the trial this morning? And who has the best feed?
nekom: No outcome is good. A couple of knuckleheads collided and a young man died. It's not murder, but it is a sad situation for all involved.
Cletus C.: He was stalking him.
George Zimmerman KNEW he had 1 minute and 45 seconds with which to locate and dispatch his prey.FACT
s2s2s2: WillofJ2: Is there a person that does not get the rationale of having a bullet in the chamber?There are plenty that are going to pretend not to, for the sake of their terrible arguments.
s2s2s2: Cletus C.: He was stalking him.George Zimmerman KNEW he had 1 minute and 45 seconds with which to locate and dispatch his prey.FACT
Smackledorfer: ChaosStar: Smackledorfer:It's not lethal provocation if they did it in defense of their own life because you're possibly taking their life by smacking their head into concrete. What position they do it in is irrelevant.No, you claim self defense to the investigators, the investigators... you know... investigate, then they collaborate with the DA's office and bring charges against you. You can claim self defense, but it's not up to the jury to decide if you were defending yourself, it's up to them to decide if you're not guilty of murder, manslaughter, what have you. You're innocent until proven guilty, remember?You really have no idea how the legal system works do you? Your reply to Scerpes indicates you do not.Either you are incredibly bad at articulating your thoughts, or you don't know your ass from your elbow.
WillofJ2: Much like those bank robbing movies where they test response time that is why he called 60 times in the past for this one special day when everything was right and he could finally get one of those farking A$$hole punks that always get away, I see it now
Tatsuma: Hahaha this witness is destroying the prosecutor.
Giltric: That's why he claimed pulling the trigger in self defense when someone is bashing your head against concrete is ill will and worthy of a gulag in Rura Pente.
WillofJ2: Where are all of these witnesses before they are called? are they sitting together?
neversubmit: Yes please: genepool lifeboat: jehovahs witness protection: And the maximum sentence for being innocent is?Probably a lifetime of harassment.Yeah, but probably a short lifetime. If you really want to see race riots, just wait until they convict whoever kills him.White people haven't rioted since the 20's.
ChaosStar: No, most of the time I was fighting in a bar because it was my job to eject them and they decided to take the matter physical.
ChaosStar: You're confusing consensual activity with illegal attacks, you said it yourself "play fights".
The more you eat the more you fart: Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.
Smackledorfer: ChaosStar: IdBeCrazyIf: ChaosStar: Yes, fights do happen, but when one person moves the fight from assault and/or battery to attempted murder, responsibilities for being in that fight have no bearing on the ensuing defense of life.Never been in a fight have you?Things escalate quickly, but just because they do...that does not absolve you of your responsibility of putting yourself there to begin with.I've been in multiple fights, key word there: fights.I have only once been part of an attempted murder, which is what a fight becomes when someone uses lethal force during the fight.Escalating it to that level does, in fact, absolve you of your legal responsibilities for being in the fight, hence the Use of Force by Aggressor statute.Where were you fighting, inside a padded room? I've been in play fights with friends where we came close to smashing a skull in on a concrete floor or a metal support beam. You cannot perform the simplest of take-downs on a hard surface with in a room with hard furniture without there being a risk of serious bodily harm, and nobody defending themselves against an assailant they don't know, who is attacking them for reasons they don't know, should ever be forced to hold back to meet whatever silly fighting etiquette you believe exists.Giltric: He stopped following Trayvon therefore he broke off the confrontation as an aggressor. Trayvon doubled back and went after Zimmemrman after Trayvon went all the way home thus initiating Trayvons role as an aggressor.I'm surprised. I didn't think you would be in support of a duty to retreat.
The more you eat the more you fart: I think one thing is damn clear at this point: Trayvon wasnt the innocent little angel his parents and media tried to pretend he was....in fact quite the opposite..he was a little thug on his way to being a bigger thug.Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.
The more you eat the more you fart: I think one thing is damn clear at this point: Trayvon wasnt the innocent little angel his parents and media tried to pretend he was....in fact quite the opposite..he was a little thug on his way to being a bigger thug.Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.Someone following you is not justification for attacking that person.TM may not have had a weapon when it started, but the sidewalk became his weapon...and he tried taking GZ's pistol.Anyone who still thinks TM was just strolling around and was completely innocent of his fate is a complete and total moron.
Tatsuma: The uncle was incredible, and the old lady testifying right now is another great witness. The prosecution is failing so hard right now.
Tatsuma: The more you eat the more you fart: Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.Actually as far as we know, Zimmerman didn't use racial epithets.
Smackledorfer: ChaosStar: No, most of the time I was fighting in a bar because it was my job to eject them and they decided to take the matter physical.Oh boy! Its ITG time everybody!
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