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(WPTV)   Will the prosecution cry "Uncle" after GZ's uncle's testimony? Will the judge rule that the defense can't present a defense because it might cause the jury to decide "not guilty"? Will these Zimmerman trial threads ever end? Not today   (wptv.com) divider line 1158
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2013-07-08 11:16:01 AM  

The Muthaship: Can we get some updates about the testimony for those of us that can't listen to the testimony at work instead of the needle endlessly skipping on the record player?


So far, its just the Prosecutor saying "farking punks" on an endless loop and trying to make Zimmerman's witnesses admit that it was said in anger. The witnesses all contend that it was just a statement that was not said with any malice.
 
2013-07-08 11:16:12 AM  

WillofJ2: This line of questioning is as dead horse sand BDLR is beating it over and over again


He seems to like to repeat 'assholes' and 'farking punks' as much as he can in front of every female witnesses the defense puts on the stand.
 
2013-07-08 11:16:12 AM  

creepy ass-cracka: Hi guys, I'm just tuning in now... Is this woman another voice recognition expert or something?


White female supporter of the patriarchy.
 
2013-07-08 11:17:03 AM  

heili skrimsli: WillofJ2: This line of questioning is as dead horse sand BDLR is beating it over and over again

He seems to like to repeat 'assholes' and 'farking punks' as much as he can in front of every female witnesses the defense puts on the stand.


George Carlan would be proud
 
2013-07-08 11:17:24 AM  
Have they not lynched Zimmerman yet? WTF people?
 
2013-07-08 11:17:25 AM  
Alright alright, I apologize for that one perhaps that was over the top.

Time for me to take a break I guess.

/walking away
 
2013-07-08 11:17:29 AM  

neversubmit: White people haven't rioted since the 20's.

*

*Other than paid "anarchists".
 
2013-07-08 11:17:38 AM  
Calin
 
2013-07-08 11:17:48 AM  
What is the state trying to do with this witness? They're asking her everything from "What does the change in the voice indicate?" to "Do you use profanity?"

WTF?
 
2013-07-08 11:18:32 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Cletus C.: Zimmerman playing Paul Blart is, was and always will be the problem. Without that asshattery a person isn't dead and another on trial. Farking dumbass.

Haven't you ever seen an "uplifting" news report, or movie or story where the citizens of a rough neighborhood "take back" their streets from the thugs/ prostitutes/ gang-bangers/ hoods? At some point in every one of these offerings, there is an early climactic moment where a confrontation occurs. Usually multiple confrontations. Early in the story, the confrontation goes in favor of the antagonist(s) of the story. And, the "turning point" involves the confrontation going in favor of the people trying to "take back their streets." Well, this is no different. This country is built upon the foundational principle that we as citizens, bear the personal right (and responsibility) of seeing to the protection of our selves, our neighbors, and our neighborhoods.

What's really on trial here is the continued viability of using "Angry Black Man Syndrome" as a mitigating factor in anti-social behavior. Zimmerman observed Martin coming out of a neighbor's back yard, dressed in clothing which obscured him enough to prevent positive identification, so he followed Martin, and summoned the authorities. Nowhere here is antisocial behavior displayed. Martin, on the other hand, led Zimmerman into a secluded area, where the confrontation and altercation took place. Martin was not only taller than Zimmerman, he was also a football player. One does not become a football player by displaying traits tending towards passivity. The testimony of Martin's "friend" clearly demonstrates the antisocial, racist mindset of his clique.

Ironically, Obama claims that Martin "could have been his son". If Martin was Obama's son, Obama would never have been elected President. The "Creepy-ass Cracker" mentality would have instantly doomed him from the start.


What a load of carp. Zimmerman was "led" by Martin. He was stalking him. That is creepy.
 
2013-07-08 11:18:42 AM  
I bet Aunt Bea here is connecting with the all-female jury better than Mr. Whipple.  I can envision the witness reminding the jury members of their favorite auntie who makes a killer corn casserole.
 
2013-07-08 11:18:45 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: So far, its just the Prosecutor saying "farking punks" on an endless loop and trying to make Zimmerman's witnesses admit that it was said in anger. The witnesses all contend that it was just a statement that was not said with any malice.


Thanks!  I got to listen for about 5 hours in the car Friday.  Damn, that is a mess!

Tatsuma: I'd expect her to at least pretend to be somewhat objective.


Recipe for disappointment.
 
2013-07-08 11:18:56 AM  
The defense should call an English teacher to explain to the jury the fundamental difference in the words "these" and "this", "him" and "they".
 
2013-07-08 11:19:03 AM  

The Muthaship: WillofJ2: i dont think they would close with him because the prosecutor is gonna get him to say he changed his mind

You're probably right, but him changing his mind can actually be viewed as even more powerful for the defense.

Due to the circumstances.

/and the ensuing HOA settlement....


With this judge, I wouldn't call him if I was the defense.  Judge would be likely to sustain objections to questions/evidence about what the father previously said/thought.
 
2013-07-08 11:19:07 AM  
Wow and the state just said that Zimmerman said 'HE'S A BLACK MALE, EFFING PUNK', which never happened.

What the fark, fark that judge and fark the prosecution and fark this whole witch hunt.
 
2013-07-08 11:19:09 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The Muthaship: Can we get some updates about the testimony for those of us that can't listen to the testimony at work instead of the needle endlessly skipping on the record player?

So far, its just the Prosecutor saying "farking punks" on an endless loop and trying to make Zimmerman's witnesses admit that it was said in anger. The witnesses all contend that it was just a statement that was not said with any malice.


I can see allowing the question once or twice with that specific language, but after awhile the prosecutor is just trying to prove guilty by vulgarity.

Mr. Whipple came across as angry.  Not sure that was what he wanted.
 
2013-07-08 11:19:14 AM  
Damn touch screens George Carlin, any how

Sustained  boom goes they dynamite nelson finally got tired of the profanity
 
2013-07-08 11:19:16 AM  

s2s2s2: neversubmit: White people haven't rioted since the 20's.*

*Other than paid "anarchists".


At least they have a job.
 
2013-07-08 11:19:25 AM  
So prosecution is trying to get people to say that Zimmerman using profanities indicates he was angry or whatever.

At the same time, Martin using bigoted terms somehow isn't indicative of his racial/ethnic biases.

Right.
 
2013-07-08 11:19:45 AM  

nekom: Mr. Eugenides: nekom: Mr. Eugenides:
Remember, the prosecution showed that Martin initiated the physical confrontation.

Well, it's more that they couldn't prove that Zimmerman did.  Martin PROBABLY did, we'll never know for sure, but there's certainly copious amounts of reasonable doubt, which means advantage: defense.

Nope, Martin's girlfriend testified that Martin turned back to confront Zimmerman.  There has been zero evidence presented to suggest that Zimmerman initiated the physical approach.

I still think that if I were on a jury trying Martin for assault, I would have to acquit for lack of evidence.  Just as I would in this trial.  The few witnesses we do have (excepting John Good) are clearly biased.  I SUSPECT Martin started it, but I'm not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.


Aren't you forgetting about the police officers, that could have very well been biased towards GZ due to what he put them through on the assault of the homeless guy? Yet, they we're just as good for the defense as John Good was.
 
2013-07-08 11:20:09 AM  

I_C_Weener: dittybopper: Popcorn Johnny: Why did this go from green to red? Farkers demand their GZ vs TM thread!!!!!

This.

Not saying you guys are scary, but you guys are scary.  Fark is more than just a Zimmerman trial clearinghouse .  For now, we have the trial threads though.  So, in order to keep them, please fasten your seatbelts, use etiquette suitable for a dinner party, and try not to upset the apple cart too much.

Got it?  Good.

Now, what have I missed in the trial this morning?  And who has the best feed?

 
2013-07-08 11:20:16 AM  

heili skrimsli: WillofJ2: This line of questioning is as dead horse sand BDLR is beating it over and over again

He seems to like to repeat 'assholes' and 'farking punks' as much as he can in front of every female witnesses the defense puts on the stand.


He is really pushing for the ill will aspect.

That's why he claimed pulling the trigger in self defense when someone is bashing your head against concrete is ill will and worthy of a gulag in Rura Pente.
 
2013-07-08 11:20:18 AM  

nekom: No outcome is good. A couple of knuckleheads collided and a young man died. It's not murder, but it is a sad situation for all involved.


Wait, was this a bike accident?
 
2013-07-08 11:20:44 AM  

Cletus C.: He was stalking him.


George Zimmerman KNEW he had 1 minute and 45 seconds with which to locate and dispatch his prey.
FACT
 
2013-07-08 11:21:01 AM  

s2s2s2: WillofJ2: Is there a person that does not get the rationale of having a bullet in the chamber?

There are plenty that are going to pretend not to, for the sake of their terrible arguments.


I'm glad he wasn't carrying a revolver.  Those have 5-6 bullets in the chambers ALL THE TIME!
 
2013-07-08 11:21:26 AM  
This is funny.

"Have you heard your sons use the word "a-holes"... have you heard the word "shait""
 
2013-07-08 11:22:12 AM  
Hahaha this witness is destroying the prosecutor.
 
2013-07-08 11:22:41 AM  

Cletus C.: He was stalking him.


If Trayvon could have just seen that as his biggest fan, Georgie was the person he was supposed to love forever and ever, he would still be alive. FACT!
 
2013-07-08 11:22:48 AM  

s2s2s2: Cletus C.: He was stalking him.

George Zimmerman KNEW he had 1 minute and 45 seconds with which to locate and dispatch his prey.
FACT


Much like those bank robbing movies where they test response time that is why he called 60 times in the past for this one special day when everything was right and he could finally get one of those farking A$$hole punks that always get away, I see it now

(sarcasm)
 
2013-07-08 11:24:58 AM  

Smackledorfer: ChaosStar: Smackledorfer:

It's not lethal provocation if they did it in defense of their own life because you're possibly taking their life by smacking their head into concrete. What position they do it in is irrelevant.

No, you claim self defense to the investigators, the investigators... you know... investigate, then they collaborate with the DA's office and bring charges against you. You can claim self defense, but it's not up to the jury to decide if you were defending yourself, it's up to them to decide if you're not guilty of murder, manslaughter, what have you. You're innocent until proven guilty, remember?

You really have no idea how the legal system works do you? Your reply to Scerpes indicates you do not.

Either you are incredibly bad at articulating your thoughts, or you don't know your ass from your elbow.


You somehow have it in your head that if GZ pulled his weapon in response to the lethal force used against him having him fearing for his life and the weapon misfired, Martin would be justified in killing GZ. This is false.

A trial is not an investigation, the investigation comes before the trial, If the investigation finds your claim of self defense to be true, you don't go to trial (you're not supposed to anyway). If they do, they recommend charges, charges are filed, the jury decides your guilt on those charges.

I really can't spell it out any clearer.
 
2013-07-08 11:26:04 AM  
Seriously tho, who stands in the pouting rain eating skittles and drinking Arizona iced tea? It's as disturbing as a child flying a kite at night...
 
2013-07-08 11:26:06 AM  
Is there some sort of bullpen where there is an endless supply of Farkers waiting to come in a post the exact same crap over and over.
 
2013-07-08 11:26:13 AM  

WillofJ2: Much like those bank robbing movies where they test response time that is why he called 60 times in the past for this one special day when everything was right and he could finally get one of those farking A$$hole punks that always get away, I see it now


"The prosecution would like to call WillofJ2 to the stand!"
 
2013-07-08 11:26:28 AM  

Tatsuma: Hahaha this witness is destroying the prosecutor.


"Hey white old lady, do you agree that George Zimmerman was a racist who liked to hunt down black children in his spare time?"

Defense should ask, "If George said, I can see this creepy ass cracker, and they always get away, is that indicative of his anger?"
 
2013-07-08 11:27:18 AM  
Where are all of these witnesses before they are called? are they sitting together?
 
2013-07-08 11:27:50 AM  

Giltric: That's why he claimed pulling the trigger in self defense when someone is bashing your head against concrete is ill will and worthy of a gulag in Rura Pente.


Yes, Mantei's entire ill-will argument was that defending yourself is absolute evidence of ill will.
 
2013-07-08 11:28:20 AM  

WillofJ2: Where are all of these witnesses before they are called? are they sitting together?


Usually in the hallway.  And, yes.
 
2013-07-08 11:28:28 AM  

neversubmit: Yes please: genepool lifeboat: jehovahs witness protection: And the maximum sentence for being innocent is?

Probably a lifetime of harassment.

Yeah, but probably a short lifetime.  If you really want to see race riots, just wait until they convict whoever kills him.

White people haven't rioted since the 20's.


You, apparently, have forgotten the Cabbage Patch Dolls riots of the early '80s. Shudder.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-08 11:28:29 AM  

ChaosStar: No, most of the time I was fighting in a bar because it was my job to eject them and they decided to take the matter physical.


Oh boy! Its ITG time everybody!

ChaosStar: You're confusing consensual activity with illegal attacks, you said it yourself "play fights".


No, I'm not.  I pointed out that even in a play fight things can get dangerous quickly, which makes your claim that real fights and illegal assaults can so easily be prevented from spilling into the realm of serious bodily harm (yea that guy was beating the shiat out of me, but I didn't bump into any concrete so it's cool) was absolutely ridiculous.
 
2013-07-08 11:29:01 AM  
I think one thing is damn clear at this point: Trayvon wasnt the innocent little angel his parents and media tried to pretend he was....in fact quite the opposite..he was a little thug on his way to being a bigger thug.

Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.

Someone following you is not justification for attacking that person.

TM may not have had a weapon when it started, but the sidewalk became his weapon...and he tried taking GZ's pistol.

Anyone who still thinks TM was just strolling around and was completely innocent of his fate is a complete and total moron.
 
2013-07-08 11:29:19 AM  
kerrigand:
Aren't you forgetting about the police officers, that could have very well been biased towards GZ due to what he put them through on the assault of the homeless guy? Yet, they we're just as good for the defense as John Good was.

They certainly didn't hurt the case either.  I'm generally extremely suspicious of police officers, but on the other hand they ARE trained to notice things that the average person might overlook.  Still, I'm calling John Good the "star" witness for the defense.  No reason whatsoever to lie, and he saw Martin on top.  There goes the prosecution's case right there.
 
2013-07-08 11:30:27 AM  
They gonna sneak opinions on the pictures since he is a retired pa?
 
2013-07-08 11:30:50 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.


Actually as far as we know, Zimmerman didn't use racial epithets.
 
2013-07-08 11:30:51 AM  

Smackledorfer: ChaosStar: IdBeCrazyIf: ChaosStar: Yes, fights do happen, but when one person moves the fight from assault and/or battery to attempted murder, responsibilities for being in that fight have no bearing on the ensuing defense of life.

Never been in a fight have you?

Things escalate quickly, but just because they do...that does not absolve you of your responsibility of putting yourself there to begin with.

I've been in multiple fights, key word there: fights.
I have only once been part of an attempted murder, which is what a fight becomes when someone uses lethal force during the fight.
Escalating it to that level does, in fact, absolve you of your legal responsibilities for being in the fight, hence the Use of Force by Aggressor statute.

Where were you fighting, inside a padded room? I've been in play fights with friends where we came close to smashing a skull in on a concrete floor or a metal support beam. You cannot perform the simplest of take-downs on a hard surface with in a room with hard furniture without there being a risk of serious bodily harm, and nobody defending themselves against an assailant they don't know, who is attacking them for reasons they don't know, should ever be forced to hold back to meet whatever silly fighting etiquette you believe exists.

Giltric: He stopped following Trayvon therefore he broke off the confrontation as an aggressor. Trayvon doubled back and went after Zimmemrman after Trayvon went all the way home thus initiating Trayvons role as an aggressor.

I'm surprised. I didn't think you would be in support of a duty to retreat.


You seem to be missing some important points that are critical for being able to understanding the big picture here.   When you are horsing around with your friends, there is no intent to actually hurt someone.  If someone does get hurt, you stop and check if the person is alright, you don't keep raining down punches.
 
2013-07-08 11:31:02 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: I think one thing is damn clear at this point: Trayvon wasnt the innocent little angel his parents and media tried to pretend he was....in fact quite the opposite..he was a little thug on his way to being a bigger thug.

Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.


What racial epithet did GZ use?  As far as I've heard, only TM used one.
 
2013-07-08 11:31:14 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: I think one thing is damn clear at this point: Trayvon wasnt the innocent little angel his parents and media tried to pretend he was....in fact quite the opposite..he was a little thug on his way to being a bigger thug.

Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.

Someone following you is not justification for attacking that person.

TM may not have had a weapon when it started, but the sidewalk became his weapon...and he tried taking GZ's pistol.

Anyone who still thinks TM was just strolling around and was completely innocent of his fate is a complete and total moron.





Amen brother testify!
 
2013-07-08 11:31:41 AM  

Tatsuma: The uncle was incredible, and the old lady testifying right now is another great witness. The prosecution is failing so hard right now.


I agree; the uncle came across as extremely credible & inscrutable.
 
2013-07-08 11:31:51 AM  
kerrigand:

Aren't you forgetting about the police officers, that could have very well been biased towards GZ due to what he put them through on the assault of the homeless guy? Yet, they we're just as good for the defense as John Good was.

I wonder what the odd of that story making it into evidence are?  I can't think of a better way to demonstrate character.
 
2013-07-08 11:32:04 AM  

Tatsuma: The more you eat the more you fart: Also, trayvon used racial epithets just like GZ did...bit i guess thats pointless.

Actually as far as we know, Zimmerman didn't use racial epithets.


I stand corrected.
 
2013-07-08 11:32:13 AM  

Smackledorfer: ChaosStar: No, most of the time I was fighting in a bar because it was my job to eject them and they decided to take the matter physical.

Oh boy! Its ITG time everybody!


You think he was a bouncer in Second Life?
 
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