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(CBC)   Russia tells Snowden either accept asylum in Venezuela or he'll end up falling out of a jail cell to his death missing all his fingernails   (cbc.ca) divider line 112
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-08 01:59:33 PM  
It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.
 
2013-07-08 02:12:41 PM  

vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.


He'll probably do fine until he decides to leak information classified by that country's government, and will then be in lots of trouble. Which is pretty much what happens in all countries.
 
2013-07-08 02:12:41 PM  
So, 2 or 3 weeks later and we still have no idea where this guy is? The Russians, as far as I know, haven't actually confirmed that he's actually in the airport. He could be riding the train rollercoaster in Disney World for all we know.

/ all I ever hear about this is supposition or conjecture
 
2013-07-08 02:13:45 PM  

vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.


Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.
 
2013-07-08 02:15:14 PM  

Kimpak: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.


I dunno, I'd probably opt for banging Anna Chapman over prison, but I would go for US prison over some of these other places he's likely to end up.
 
2013-07-08 02:15:43 PM  

iheartscotch: So, 2 or 3 weeks later and we still have no idea where this guy is? The Russians, as far as I know, haven't actually confirmed that he's actually in the airport. He could be riding the train rollercoaster in Disney World for all we know.

/ all I ever hear about this is supposition or conjecture


Everyone knows exactly where he currently is, but it's international territory so they can't just snatch him up.
 
2013-07-08 02:15:46 PM  
The jail in Fort Worth doesn't even have a floor.
 
2013-07-08 02:16:10 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-08 02:17:07 PM  
I'd laugh my ass off if Putin just came right out and said accept someone's asylum offer soon, or we will hand you over to the Americans.
 
2013-07-08 02:17:14 PM  
Ok, I do have to laugh at Anna Chapman proposing to marry Snowden. That's just...adorable, right there.
 
2013-07-08 02:17:18 PM  

akula: Kimpak: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.

I dunno, I'd probably opt for banging Anna Chapman over prison, but I would go for US prison over some of these other places he's likely to end up.


Yea, I'd take her up on the offer too, she prob has money now and he doesn't really have shiat... plus hot redhead =)
 
2013-07-08 02:17:41 PM  
Pushkov joked that if Snowden does not find shelter in Venezuela, "he will have to stay and marry Anna Chapman,"...

I could think of much, much worse fates than that.
 
2013-07-08 02:18:11 PM  
Isn't treason a death penalty case?
 
2013-07-08 02:18:14 PM  
When George Zimmerman is found not guilty, maybe he can split the rent with Snowden in Caracas.
 
2013-07-08 02:18:21 PM  
Who is this and what did he do?
 
2013-07-08 02:21:20 PM  
If I was wanted by the US Government, I don't think I would take any flight that landed in Cuba.  I just seems risky if Cuba needs or wants something from the US.
 
2013-07-08 02:21:25 PM  

iheartscotch: So, 2 or 3 weeks later and we still have no idea where this guy is?


The government doesn't really care beyond PR. This isn't Bin Laden, this is an Assange-level smugster. The damage is done, now the government is just playing PR games. Pointing out that bucket-of-warm-spit Biden has been pressuring countries not to take in Snowden aptly demonstrates how much the US government really cares at this point.

It's a pity Snowden couldn't hold off attention whoring for even a week, then the media might have reported on the actual substance of what he leaked rather than his personal epic. Instead he had to take a preening victory lap just 4 days after the news story broke - completely stepping on the important but more boring reporting on Prism and such.
 
2013-07-08 02:23:17 PM  

Badgerlad: Pushkov joked that if Snowden does not find shelter in Venezuela, "he will have to stay and marry Anna Chapman,"...

I could think of much, much worse fates than that.


That was the first thought, and it originated below the belt line.  The second thought, originating above the neck, was "you know damn well she's bat-shiat crazy and you'll be dead or worse within 6 months".
 
2013-07-08 02:24:59 PM  

Cagey B: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

He'll probably do fine until he decides to leak information classified by that country's government, and will then be in lots of trouble. Which is pretty much what happens in all countries.


Its cute you think he might ever be granted access to anywhere within 5 sq. mi. of a data bit of classified info in any country he lands in.
 
2013-07-08 02:25:18 PM  
Open the Moon Door!
 
2013-07-08 02:26:24 PM  

KellyX: iheartscotch: So, 2 or 3 weeks later and we still have no idea where this guy is? The Russians, as far as I know, haven't actually confirmed that he's actually in the airport. He could be riding the train rollercoaster in Disney World for all we know.

/ all I ever hear about this is supposition or conjecture

Everyone knows exactly where he currently is, but it's international territory so they can't just snatch him up.


It's Russia! They don't give a flying Obama(i keed) what the international community thinks about them. In any case; if the Russians don't have him, snowden has to smell pretty bad at this point.

/ I imagine he's playing golf with pooty poot daily or he's in a hole in Siberia
 
2013-07-08 02:27:51 PM  

neversubmit: Who is this and what did he do?


Distraction
 
2013-07-08 02:30:02 PM  
Tom_Slick:  If I was wanted by the US Government, I don't think I would take any flight that landed in Cuba.  I just seems risky if Cuba needs or wants something from the US.


Not to mention that Zombie Castro is due to die any day now, which means a pretty strong chance of change in govt along with relations with the big bad evil Gringo to the north.
 
2013-07-08 02:30:50 PM  

akula: Kimpak: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.

I dunno, I'd probably opt for banging Anna Chapman over prison, but I would go for US prison over some of these other places he's likely to end up.


I actually can't wait to visit Venezuela and Bolivia.
 
2013-07-08 02:31:02 PM  

neversubmit: Who is this and what did he do?


provided information to other countries that the united states is spying on them..these are things every country knows but you're not suppose to say it outloud
 
2013-07-08 02:31:05 PM  

akula: Kimpak: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.

I dunno, I'd probably opt for banging Anna Chapman over prison, but I would go for US prison over some of these other places he's likely to end up.


If they were at all intelligent, the Russkies would have Anna lead the debriefing team.
 
2013-07-08 02:32:13 PM  

Surpheon: It's a pity Snowden couldn't hold off attention whoring for even a week, then the media might have reported on the actual substance of what he leaked rather than his personal epic. Instead he had to take a preening victory lap just 4 days after the news story broke - completely stepping on the important but more boring reporting on Prism and such.


Not sure how Where's-Waldo is controlling the information flow.  Seems he's hunkered down inside a crapper stall in a Moscow bathroom, with various countries do the attention-whoring for him.  I'll bet he feels like Assange  or Mandela or Alec Guinness in "Bridge on the River Kwai", only smellier.
 
2013-07-08 02:33:35 PM  

iheartscotch: KellyX: iheartscotch: So, 2 or 3 weeks later and we still have no idea where this guy is? The Russians, as far as I know, haven't actually confirmed that he's actually in the airport. He could be riding the train rollercoaster in Disney World for all we know.

/ all I ever hear about this is supposition or conjecture

Everyone knows exactly where he currently is, but it's international territory so they can't just snatch him up.

It's Russia! They don't give a flying Obama(i keed) what the international community thinks about them. In any case; if the Russians don't have him, snowden has to smell pretty bad at this point.

/ I imagine he's playing golf with pooty poot daily or he's in a hole in Siberia


I saw on NBC News that, according to the Ruskies, he's officially in this one airport hotel, on a floor that's been specially sealed off. They got a camera in their somehow and found no sealed off floor, much less any Snowden.

So who the fark knows.
 
2013-07-08 02:33:44 PM  
Has Mr. Snowden been positively IDed as this kid?

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-07-08 02:33:56 PM  

LewDux: neversubmit: Who is this and what did he do?

Distraction


from?

tbhouston: neversubmit: Who is this and what did he do?

provided information to other countries that the united states is spying on them..these are things every country knows but you're not suppose to say it outloud


link?
 
2013-07-08 02:34:04 PM  
I've always wondered about asylum. Do you get to live freely in the country that gives you asylum? Well as freely as any citizen of that country or do you have to live in an embassy or some special place provided by their government?

I'll have to read about it later when I have time.

/just thinking out-loud
 
2013-07-08 02:36:29 PM  

vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.


Debate on whether his actions were good or bad aside, he's painted himself into a corner. The only countries interested in him are only so interested because either

a) they think he might have useful information or information on procedure
b) they want to "snub" the US for political capital (usually with regional governments)

I think most governments realize that (a) just isn't the case, which is why they're all trying to pass him off, because Russia, China, etc don't need (b) at all. The problem for Snowden is that any nation that values (b) will likely quietly dispose of him once the PR stunt is over, rather than risk him saying or doing something that would be a negative, or pop up as an embarrassment later.
 
2013-07-08 02:39:14 PM  
Wow, good thing this deceptive headline isn't actually true.
 
2013-07-08 02:42:04 PM  

spentshells: akula: Kimpak: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.

I dunno, I'd probably opt for banging Anna Chapman over prison, but I would go for US prison over some of these other places he's likely to end up.

I actually can't wait to visit Venezuela and Bolivia.


I wouldn't mind visiting either.

Key word: VISIT.

I wouldn't want to live in those places for the rest of my days. Snowden has managed to work himself into a real pickle; his only real choices are of places that are hardly going to be paradise for the likes of him. He has no resources and will be hard pressed to earn his own living- you can't trust him to not screw you over if he feels you're not living up to his own particular code of ethics. So no real jobs that require any level of trust. He's only really going to be able to continue selling out what he knows but there's just not any place that interested in paying him a ton for what's in his head. He's just not going to be able to park his ass on a tropical beach and suck down mai tais while banging grass skirted natives every night. Not gonna happen. A small ramshackle lean to in a poverty stricken neighborhood is way more likely.

His best bet at this point is either to return to the US and stand as one performing civil disobedience on ethical grounds (although he pretty well farked that up with his running away) or pairing up with Anna Chapman for some kind of small "We spied on the US" speaking tour or whatever she has in mind. Either way his future prospects are pretty meager.
 
2013-07-08 02:42:45 PM  
neversubmit:
tbhouston: neversubmit: Who is this and what did he do?

provided information to other countries that the united states is spying on them..these are things every country knows but you're not suppose to say it outloud

link?


Here
 
2013-07-08 02:45:02 PM  

Kimpak: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.


I dunno, I hear Venezuelan women are pretty hot, so it might be worth the risk...

 All things considered, I think I'd risk the possibility of Venezuelan government retribution than the absolute certainty of US government retribution.
 
2013-07-08 02:46:12 PM  

abhorrent1: I've always wondered about asylum. Do you get to live freely in the country that gives you asylum? Well as freely as any citizen of that country or do you have to live in an embassy or some special place provided by their government?

I'll have to read about it later when I have time.

/just thinking out-loud


Depends on the country. Venezuela will take him and would likely pay for his living expenses as a snub to the US. I mean he ain't gonna live high on the hog, but he wouldn't be suffering.
 
2013-07-08 02:46:54 PM  

spentshells: akula: Kimpak: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.

I dunno, I'd probably opt for banging Anna Chapman over prison, but I would go for US prison over some of these other places he's likely to end up.

I actually can't wait to visit Venezuela and Bolivia.


Sh**holes that aren't worth your time.  Go to Argentina, Brazil, Chile or Peru instead
 
2013-07-08 02:49:13 PM  

Odd Bird: neversubmit:
tbhouston: neversubmit: Who is this and what did he do?

provided information to other countries that the united states is spying on them..these are things every country knows but you're not suppose to say it outloud

link?

Here


That's my point, no one knows what they are talking about.
 
2013-07-08 02:56:37 PM  
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/edward-snowden-asylum-wikileaks - 93817.html?hp=r1

WikiLeaks is predicting that Cuba will offer asylum to NSA leaker Edward Snowden, who has been holed up in Moscow's airport for weeks.

WikiLeaks
 
2013-07-08 02:57:48 PM  
Snowden's biggest problem right now is getting to any of these countries that might offer him asylum. He was originally going to take a flight from Moscow to Cuba, somebody probably pointed out to him last-minute that route overflies the continental USA. He's going to have a hell of a time getting to Venezuela or Bolivia from Moscow without overflying a country that will immediately order the plan to land to hand him over to the US government.
 
2013-07-08 02:58:15 PM  
KellyX
iheartscotch:
So, 2 or 3 weeks later and we still have no idea where this guy is? The Russians, as far as I know, haven't actually confirmed that he's actually in the airport. He could be riding the train rollercoaster in Disney World for all we know.
/ all I ever hear about this is supposition or conjecture

Everyone knows exactly where he currently is,


I'm not so sure about this.
Besides the thing with the Bolivian president's plane, I'm a bit surprised that no journalist has managed to reach him and have heard that passengers trying to play "Where is Edward?" haven't had any success either.
Is there even a grainy instagram shot by some flight attendant, clerk, baggage handler, cleaner, ..?
If so, I haven't seen one.
I might have missed something, but I believe the media have been using only the same couple of pictures of him since the whole thing started.
 
2013-07-08 02:59:02 PM  

neversubmit: Odd Bird: neversubmit:
tbhouston: neversubmit: Who is this and what did he do?

provided information to other countries that the united states is spying on them..these are things every country knows but you're not suppose to say it outloud

link?

Here

That's my point, no one knows what they are talking about.


I'm pretty sure everyone that's been paying attention knows why Snowden's in the situation he is, they're just really tired of hearing about it... especially when there hasn't been any new information in weeks.
 
2013-07-08 02:59:30 PM  
This is a situation that calls for some extraordinary rendition.
 
2013-07-08 03:01:31 PM  

darth_badger: The jail in Fort Worth doesn't even have a floor.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
Esn
2013-07-08 03:02:15 PM  

akula: spentshells: akula: Kimpak: vpb: It's kind of amusing thinking how he will do in one of these countries where bad things happen to people who criticize the government.

Exactly what I was thinking.  It would almost seem better to come back to the U.S. and live in prison.

I dunno, I'd probably opt for banging Anna Chapman over prison, but I would go for US prison over some of these other places he's likely to end up.

I actually can't wait to visit Venezuela and Bolivia.

I wouldn't mind visiting either.

Key word: VISIT.


Between Nicaragua, Venezuela and Bolivia, I'd personally choose Bolivia. Their largest city has an awesome climate (room temperature all year round!) and the political situation seems less likely to do a sudden 180-degree flip (the pro-American opposition got very close to winning the last Venezuelan election, while Nicaragua has the whole Contra history).
 
2013-07-08 03:04:54 PM  
If he manages somehow to get to Africa, he can possibly take Buenos Aires - bound flight, and from there -- to get North to Caracas.
 
2013-07-08 03:05:48 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Snowden's biggest problem right now is getting to any of these countries that might offer him asylum. He was originally going to take a flight from Moscow to Cuba, somebody probably pointed out to him last-minute that route overflies the continental USA. He's going to have a hell of a time getting to Venezuela or Bolivia from Moscow without overflying a country that will immediately order the plan to land to hand him over to the US government.


I've heard people in the FSB have ways of making things dissapear....ohhh alive he wants to get their alive.

Nevermind
 
2013-07-08 03:08:42 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Snowden's biggest problem right now is getting to any of these countries that might offer him asylum. He was originally going to take a flight from Moscow to Cuba, somebody probably pointed out to him last-minute that route overflies the continental USA. He's going to have a hell of a time getting to Venezuela or Bolivia from Moscow without overflying a country that will immediately order the plan to land to hand him over to the US government.


I'm not a pilot or anything, but couldn't the pilot "fly around" the countries that would force them to land?

Would definetly add some time to the flight, and I don't know how much extra fuel they would be carrying.
 
2013-07-08 03:09:32 PM  

quiotu: neversubmit: Odd Bird: neversubmit:
tbhouston: neversubmit: Who is this and what did he do?

provided information to other countries that the united states is spying on them..these are things every country knows but you're not suppose to say it outloud

link?

Here

That's my point, no one knows what they are talking about.

I'm pretty sure everyone that's been paying attention knows why Snowden's in the situation he is, they're just really tired of hearing about it... especially when there hasn't been any new information in weeks.


Sure? uh okay
 
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