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2013-07-08 10:01:20 AM  
If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.
 
2013-07-08 10:08:37 AM  
I guess then you'll have....

Toadstool
 
2013-07-08 10:23:38 AM  

taxandspend: Command F "3DS"

Well... at least someone in the comment section brought it up. How can you talk about Nintendo's financial situation when you neglect the hottest gaming console/handheld in the world right now?


Easy.

Ignore it.
 
2013-07-08 10:23:47 AM  

swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.


You left out Golden Parachute right after the second round of layoffs.  "These cuts have hit all of us hard.  To show my solidarity with those employees being let go, I have tendered my own resignation to the board as well.  (they're giving me $25 million as a going away present though, which is pretty much the same thing as your 2 weeks pay right?)"

Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.  You know how awesome it would be to play Zelda on my iPhone?
 
2013-07-08 10:24:30 AM  
Oh, and I forget a healthy dose of "The future is smart phones and tablets, not dedicated handheld game machines, let alone PCs or consoles."
 
2013-07-08 10:29:48 AM  

serial_crusher: swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.

You left out Golden Parachute right after the second round of layoffs.  "These cuts have hit all of us hard.  To show my solidarity with those employees being let go, I have tendered my own resignation to the board as well.  (they're giving me $25 million as a going away present though, which is pretty much the same thing as your 2 weeks pay right?)"

Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.  You know how awesome it would be to play Zelda on my iPhone?


I am already able to play several Zelda games on my PSP, on my Dreamcast, on my personal computer and on my XBOX (the original console).
 
2013-07-08 10:37:51 AM  

serial_crusher: swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.

You left out Golden Parachute right after the second round of layoffs.  "These cuts have hit all of us hard.  To show my solidarity with those employees being let go, I have tendered my own resignation to the board as well.  (they're giving me $25 million as a going away present though, which is pretty much the same thing as your 2 weeks pay right?)"

Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.  You know how awesome it would be to play Zelda on my iPhone?


I am already able to play several Zelda games on my PSP, on my Dreamcast, on my personal computer and on my XBOX (the original console).

taxandspend: serial_crusher: swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.

You left out Golden Parachute right after the second round of layoffs.  "These cuts have hit all of us hard.  To show my solidarity with those employees being let go, I have tendered my own resignation to the board as well.  (they're giving me $25 million as a going away present though, which is pretty much the same thing as your 2 weeks pay right?)"

Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.  You know how awesome it would be to play Zelda on my iPhone?

I assume something like this:

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I have never understood the appeal of playing games on a smartphone. The image that you describe perfectly illustrates the obstruction that would occur in attempting to fit the game's controls to an electronic device whose interface consists solely of a touchscreen. Additionally, I do not speak German and thus the game would be incomprehensible to me.
 
2013-07-08 10:37:55 AM  
It's nice to see there's at least one company with a leader who's not a complete moron.

At most corporations, the philosophy is, "Let's fire people, produce less product, and then fire more people when the strategy doesn't work! Berr herr...."
 
2013-07-08 10:42:28 AM  

swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.


 Reggie Fils-Aime isn't going to sleep with you dude.
 
2013-07-08 10:45:20 AM  

taxandspend: Command F "3DS"

Well... at least someone in the comment section brought it up. How can you talk about Nintendo's financial situation when you neglect the hottest gaming console/handheld in the world right now?


Nintendo made the iPhone?
 
2013-07-08 10:45:23 AM  

Dimensio: I have never understood the appeal of playing games on a smartphone. The image that you describe perfectly illustrates the obstruction that would occur in attempting to fit the game's controls to an electronic device whose interface consists solely of a touchscreen. Additionally, I do not speak German and thus the game would be incomprehensible to me.


Yeah, taking a game that's designed for a console and emulating it on a phone sucks.
You guys might not know this, but Nintendo has made a steady stream of Zelda games since 1998 and will probably make even more in the future.  I figure they'd be smart enough not to base an iPhone game on the N64's control scheme.
 
2013-07-08 10:49:21 AM  

serial_crusher: Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.


Yeah, because look how well Sega is doing now...oh, wait a minute.  They're a shell of their former self.
 
2013-07-08 10:52:14 AM  
Good for him.  This entire attitude of lop of peasants heads if there is a lower than expected crop yield is ludicrous.
 
2013-07-08 10:53:14 AM  
Good for him.  This entire attitude of lop off peasants heads if there is a lower than expected crop yield is ludicrous.

/FTFM
 
2013-07-08 10:59:53 AM  

the dizzle: I guess then you'll have....

Toadstool


Where'd your sunglasses go?
 
2013-07-08 11:05:44 AM  
serial_crusher:Yeah, taking a game that's designed for a console and emulating it on a phone sucks.

I've got an SNES emulator on my phone, and have had a good experience playing Final Fantasy VI on it.

The key is turn based games. Touchscreen controllers suck, but when you have as much time as you need to pick your actions it works decently enough.
 
2013-07-08 11:08:14 AM  
I have a Wii-U. I only have 1 game purpose built for the U: Super Mario U.

All the rest are older games from the 1st Wii.

It collects dust 95% of the time. I played a bit this weekend. I'm appalled at how bad I've gotten at console games. I used to be good.
 
2013-07-08 11:09:10 AM  

swaxhog: maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers.


In related news, nintendos biggest wii U title this fall is a HD port of a 10+ year old zelda game.

Nintendo invented the tactic of endlessly porting and redoing titles.  It's been their MO since the snes and mario all stars and Zelda DX.
 
2013-07-08 11:17:11 AM  

serial_crusher: Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.


Because that worked out great for Sega and didn't result in a lost decade of crap product and directionless meandering.
 
2013-07-08 11:17:32 AM  
Nintendo President responds to critics saying he should lay off workers

Is he riding them really hard or something?  Maybe the Japanese work ethic is not the same as yours.  Mind your own business; I doubt it's as big as Nintendo.
 
2013-07-08 11:18:36 AM  

swaxhog: captive customers


I've never seen that oxymoron before.
 
2013-07-08 11:28:28 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: swaxhog: captive customers

I've never seen that oxymoron before.


A buyer or user who is reluctant to substitute one product or vendor with another, because of the high cost (in terms of discomfort, effort, and/or money) involved in switching.

A perfect example is cable tv subscribers. People are leaving cable and instead of looking at the why, company raise prices. More people leave, prices go up to maintain profit. Banks, cell phones are others.

/I guess crack addict is another...
 
2013-07-08 11:29:50 AM  

HeartBurnKid: serial_crusher: Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.

Because that worked out great for Sega and didn't result in a lost decade of crap product and directionless meandering.


Well the Wii was released 7 years ago, so they're about 3 years away from hitting that milestone.  Yeah yeah, casual gamers bought lots of them and played Wii Sports.  Everybody else just bought it because it was the only platform they were making their games for.  The Wii U's sales will similarly go up when they start actually releasing games for it.

Sega didn't have anywhere near the intellectual property library that Nintendo has.  There's only so many Sonic the Hedgehog games you can make before people get tired of them.  Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Starfox have a lot of options.
 
2013-07-08 11:30:41 AM  

swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.

Sell property and remaining peons to EA.

FTFY
 
2013-07-08 11:32:21 AM  

Gergesa: Good for him.  This entire attitude of lop off peasants heads if there is a lower than expected crop yield is ludicrous.

/FTFM


Iwata was a developer at Nintendo before climbing the ranks, laying off staff is the last thing Nintendo needs to be doing right now and he knows what would happen if he did that

if anything Nintendo needs to hire more people, which is what they've been doing for several years now, content sells systems and firing people won't make content come out any faster
 
2013-07-08 11:35:19 AM  

doczoidberg: It's nice to see there's at least one company with a leader who's not a complete moron.

At most corporations, the philosophy is, "Let's fire people, produce less product, and then fire more people when the strategy doesn't work! Berr herr...."


So what, the answer is to double down on profit loss do nothing about the issues and hope things will get better in time? No. Theres an in between and nintendo is still not seeing it. Part of the reason they continue to fall is because they refuse to cut out the infected parts.
 
2013-07-08 11:35:54 AM  

serial_crusher: HeartBurnKid: serial_crusher: Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.

Because that worked out great for Sega and didn't result in a lost decade of crap product and directionless meandering.

Well the Wii was released 7 years ago, so they're about 3 years away from hitting that milestone.  Yeah yeah, casual gamers bought lots of them and played Wii Sports.  Everybody else just bought it because it was the only platform they were making their games for.  The Wii U's sales will similarly go up when they start actually releasing games for it.

Sega didn't have anywhere near the intellectual property library that Nintendo has.  There's only so many Sonic the Hedgehog games you can make before people get tired of them.  Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Starfox have a lot of options.


Nintendo also has a very very large pile of cash and a healthy revenue stream. things sega did not have.
 
2013-07-08 11:36:22 AM  

serial_crusher: Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.  You know how awesome it would be to play Zelda on my iPhone?


It actually wouldn't be awesome at all.  Even the Gameboy Zeldas like Link's Awakening suck complete balls with touch screen controls.  And those just use a D-pad and A and B buttons.  I can't imagine how awful a 3D zelda would be.  If you want an awesome, portable Zelda experience, the Ocarina remake on the 3DS simply cannot be beat.
 
2013-07-08 11:39:13 AM  

ScaryBottles: swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.

 Reggie Fils-Aime isn't going to sleep with you dude.


Not even if his body is ready?
 
2013-07-08 11:45:56 AM  

serial_crusher: HeartBurnKid: serial_crusher: Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.

Because that worked out great for Sega and didn't result in a lost decade of crap product and directionless meandering.

Well the Wii was released 7 years ago, so they're about 3 years away from hitting that milestone.  Yeah yeah, casual gamers bought lots of them and played Wii Sports.  Everybody else just bought it because it was the only platform they were making their games for.  The Wii U's sales will similarly go up when they start actually releasing games for it.

Sega didn't have anywhere near the intellectual property library that Nintendo has.  There's only so many Sonic the Hedgehog games you can make before people get tired of them.  Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Starfox have a lot of options.


dreamcast was a lot of fun but you're right - Sega had almost no mindshare back then, i'd say they have more DC fans now than they did back then by a long shot
 
2013-07-08 11:46:15 AM  

serial_crusher: swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.

You left out Golden Parachute right after the second round of layoffs.  "These cuts have hit all of us hard.  To show my solidarity with those employees being let go, I have tendered my own resignation to the board as well.  (they're giving me $25 million as a going away present though, which is pretty much the same thing as your 2 weeks pay right?)"

Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.  You know how awesome it would be to play Zelda on my iPhone?


Yeah, Nintendo should totally be on life support with only pachinko keeping them afloat.

I mean, when you have to pimp out your main franchise to your arch-rival Ninten... Wait a minute.

/Lets not even get into the disputes between SEGA of Japan and SEGA of America
 
2013-07-08 11:48:33 AM  
Nintendo needs more staff, not less.  They just built a new building to house more developers.  The reason they're having financial difficulties is because crucial 1st party titles needed to sell their hardware aren't getting to market fast enough.  So layoffs are the exact opposite of what they should be doing.
 
2013-07-08 11:48:36 AM  

taxandspend: serial_crusher: swaxhog: If they were American this is how it would play out:
Make less than last quarter? Fire employees, kill projects, maybe a repackage 'greatest hits' game to prop up numbers. Make less the next quarter due to publishing fewer titles? Cut more staff, cancel more projects, close offices, raise prices for remaining captive customers.  With sales dropping rapidly, proclaim console gaming dead, pay management gigantic bonuses, fire everyone else, close company.

You left out Golden Parachute right after the second round of layoffs.  "These cuts have hit all of us hard.  To show my solidarity with those employees being let go, I have tendered my own resignation to the board as well.  (they're giving me $25 million as a going away present though, which is pretty much the same thing as your 2 weeks pay right?)"

Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.  You know how awesome it would be to play Zelda on my iPhone?

I assume something like this:

 


Is that real? If not...:( cruel joke man
 
2013-07-08 11:50:16 AM  

taxandspend: Command F "3DS"

Well... at least someone in the comment section brought it up. How can you talk about Nintendo's financial situation when you neglect the hottest gaming console/handheld in the world right now?


Notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-07-08 11:52:37 AM  

AdamK: Gergesa: Good for him.  This entire attitude of lop off peasants heads if there is a lower than expected crop yield is ludicrous.

/FTFM

Iwata was a developer at Nintendo before climbing the ranks, laying off staff is the last thing Nintendo needs to be doing right now and he knows what would happen if he did that

if anything Nintendo needs to hire more people, which is what they've been doing for several years now, content sells systems and firing people won't make content come out any faster


Yep. Nintendo already admitted that their current drought of Wii U games is because they weren't prepared for the increased development work required for HD games.
 
2013-07-08 12:00:26 PM  

serial_crusher: HeartBurnKid: serial_crusher: Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.

Because that worked out great for Sega and didn't result in a lost decade of crap product and directionless meandering.

Well the Wii was released 7 years ago, so they're about 3 years away from hitting that milestone.  Yeah yeah, casual gamers bought lots of them and played Wii Sports.  Everybody else just bought it because it was the only platform they were making their games for.  The Wii U's sales will similarly go up when they start actually releasing games for it.

Sega didn't have anywhere near the intellectual property library that Nintendo has.  There's only so many Sonic the Hedgehog games you can make before people get tired of them.  Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Starfox have a lot of options.


If their product is compelling enough that people are willing to buy a whole new console just to play it, then I guess it's not all that crap, is it?
 
2013-07-08 12:04:50 PM  

TheOriginalEd: doczoidberg: It's nice to see there's at least one company with a leader who's not a complete moron.

At most corporations, the philosophy is, "Let's fire people, produce less product, and then fire more people when the strategy doesn't work! Berr herr...."

So what, the answer is to double down on profit loss do nothing about the issues and hope things will get better in time? No. Theres an in between and nintendo is still not seeing it. Part of the reason they continue to fall is because they refuse to cut out the infected parts.


what infected parts are you proposing they cut?
 
2013-07-08 12:08:21 PM  

Electrify: taxandspend: Command F "3DS"

Well... at least someone in the comment section brought it up. How can you talk about Nintendo's financial situation when you neglect the hottest gaming console/handheld in the world right now?

Nintendo made the iPhone?


This man is wise.

If I were Nintendo, I'd be wondering how the mobile space was shaping up. The Wii U is not in a great spot, but it will at least have some sales due to just the franchises. I'm down with the idea of buying a console for home. But the portable console is a much harder sell... why should I buy a $170 3DS (which seemed to be the going rate on the Google results) when my smartphone (which I almost certainly already have) can play games? It's another item to tote around. It can be lost or stolen. While some of the titles are nice, Nintendo's games are a little heavy for the casual gaming I do on the go. Honestly, unless there's something I really, really want to play... I see no reason to buy a 3DS. And really, there's nothing they have that I want to play.

I respect their leadership for not laying off workers, though.
 
2013-07-08 12:08:24 PM  
'Nintendo is doomed' is a repeat headline since the SNES days.
 
2013-07-08 12:08:54 PM  

Tiber727: AdamK: Gergesa: Good for him.  This entire attitude of lop off peasants heads if there is a lower than expected crop yield is ludicrous.

/FTFM

Iwata was a developer at Nintendo before climbing the ranks, laying off staff is the last thing Nintendo needs to be doing right now and he knows what would happen if he did that

if anything Nintendo needs to hire more people, which is what they've been doing for several years now, content sells systems and firing people won't make content come out any faster

Yep. Nintendo already admitted that their current drought of Wii U games is because they weren't prepared for the increased development work required for HD games.


How can they not be prepared for the increased development work?  They've had all this time between the Wii and Wii U's release to figure that out.
 
2013-07-08 12:10:15 PM  
I'm torn on the idea of nintendo releasing their titles on an iphone. i want them to still build consoles and be successful. I think a happy medium would be to release a line of "nintendo classics" like the first 3 mario games, the first zelda, kirby etc. and release those for iphones. simple nes games that have been around for ages and people already own on multiple platforms, but will gladly pick up on their for for 4.99.

that being said, i just bought a 3ds after passing on a wiiu and I absolutely love the thing. i've never owned a proper hand held console, didn't have a gameboy when i was a kid, it blows my mind how fun it is. watching baseball+playing pokemon or zelda on a sunday is perfect.
 
2013-07-08 12:12:28 PM  

AdamK: TheOriginalEd: doczoidberg: It's nice to see there's at least one company with a leader who's not a complete moron.

At most corporations, the philosophy is, "Let's fire people, produce less product, and then fire more people when the strategy doesn't work! Berr herr...."

So what, the answer is to double down on profit loss do nothing about the issues and hope things will get better in time? No. Theres an in between and nintendo is still not seeing it. Part of the reason they continue to fall is because they refuse to cut out the infected parts.

what infected parts are you proposing they cut?


I'd say they cut nothing, but add. Nintendo needs fresh franchises. Mario and Zelda are great, but they certainly don't offer much in the increasingly story-driven gaming environment of today. Metroid could give something, but it seems to be a second-tier franchise behind the other two. Make something new, something modern, something adult. It doesn't have to be another FPS, but it'd be nice to see something daring coming from Nintendo for once.
 
2013-07-08 12:12:56 PM  

AdamK: what infected parts are you proposing they cut?


The money losing parts, like those damn employees sucking up all the profits.
 
2013-07-08 12:12:57 PM  

PsyLord: Tiber727: AdamK: Gergesa: Good for him.  This entire attitude of lop off peasants heads if there is a lower than expected crop yield is ludicrous.

/FTFM

Iwata was a developer at Nintendo before climbing the ranks, laying off staff is the last thing Nintendo needs to be doing right now and he knows what would happen if he did that

if anything Nintendo needs to hire more people, which is what they've been doing for several years now, content sells systems and firing people won't make content come out any faster

Yep. Nintendo already admitted that their current drought of Wii U games is because they weren't prepared for the increased development work required for HD games.

How can they not be prepared for the increased development work?  They've had all this time between the Wii and Wii U's release to figure that out.


the last crop of major 1st party development efforts for the Wii ended just 2-3 years ago, considering those same studios are now coming out with games in late 2013/early 2014 - that's about the same pace it took for developers to jump into the PS3/360 gen

the major hiring expansions started in 2011 as well, not to mention their 1st party efforts on 3DS
 
2013-07-08 12:21:13 PM  

Marine1: AdamK: TheOriginalEd: doczoidberg: It's nice to see there's at least one company with a leader who's not a complete moron.

At most corporations, the philosophy is, "Let's fire people, produce less product, and then fire more people when the strategy doesn't work! Berr herr...."

So what, the answer is to double down on profit loss do nothing about the issues and hope things will get better in time? No. Theres an in between and nintendo is still not seeing it. Part of the reason they continue to fall is because they refuse to cut out the infected parts.

what infected parts are you proposing they cut?

I'd say they cut nothing, but add. Nintendo needs fresh franchises. Mario and Zelda are great, but they certainly don't offer much in the increasingly story-driven gaming environment of today. Metroid could give something, but it seems to be a second-tier franchise behind the other two. Make something new, something modern, something adult. It doesn't have to be another FPS, but it'd be nice to see something daring coming from Nintendo for once.


yeah, i think part of that is the old-guard transitioning out of design management, it's going to take awhile for the younger developers to gain enough ground where they can start making more creative decisions

there's also a desire with any development studio to please the fanbase, and with a console struggling to sell they're going to appeal to people's first instinct before they start going in other directions

in the meantime they're at least publishing monolithsoft's stuff and promoting indie games on their digital service, they've published a few indie games here and there as well but imo should expand that (of course that takes money which everybody's paranoid about right now)
 
2013-07-08 12:21:23 PM  

Marine1: I'd say they cut nothing, but add. Nintendo needs fresh franchises. Mario and Zelda are great, but they certainly don't offer much in the increasingly story-driven gaming environment of today. Metroid could give something, but it seems to be a second-tier franchise behind the other two. Make something new, something modern, something adult. It doesn't have to be another FPS, but it'd be nice to see something daring coming from Nintendo for once.


Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Brain Training and Nintendogs were fresh new Nintendo franchises aimed at broad audiences, and they sold very, very well.  So part of the problem they're having with the Wii U (and to a lesser extent with the 3DS) is a lack of new IPs to push the platform to a wide audience like they did in the past.
 
2013-07-08 12:21:27 PM  

Tiber727: AdamK: Gergesa: Good for him.  This entire attitude of lop off peasants heads if there is a lower than expected crop yield is ludicrous.

/FTFM

Iwata was a developer at Nintendo before climbing the ranks, laying off staff is the last thing Nintendo needs to be doing right now and he knows what would happen if he did that

if anything Nintendo needs to hire more people, which is what they've been doing for several years now, content sells systems and firing people won't make content come out any faster

Yep. Nintendo already admitted that their current drought of Wii U games is because they weren't prepared for the increased development work required for HD games.


The question is, how well can they do (in the West, they will be fine in Japan) as the competition is ramping up?

They blew a huge window, if they had gotten out some core games, Zelda, Mario Galaxy, Pikmin, Bayonetta, etc in the early spring or right around launch it would have been huge with no real competing consoles (most people who want a PS3 or 360 already have one), but now they are staring down a double barreled shotgun of Sony and MS. As those releases draw nearer, more people will put off buying a Wii U until they can get a chance to compare with the competition.

Do I think they will go under? Hell no, too many properties, too much cash, too strong of support in Japan (especially with MS completely writing it off). But this could easily see the Wii U well behind globally.
 
2013-07-08 12:24:14 PM  

mainstreet62: I have a Wii-U. I only have 1 game purpose built for the U: Super Mario U.

All the rest are older games from the 1st Wii.

It collects dust 95% of the time. I played a bit this weekend. I'm appalled at how bad I've gotten at console games. I used to be good.


I use my Wii U regularly, for Wii Fit Plus. I will investigate Wii Fit U upon its release.

I have also recently discovered Newer Super Mario Bros. Wii.
 
2013-07-08 12:31:56 PM  

HeartBurnKid: serial_crusher: HeartBurnKid: serial_crusher: Nintendo should go the same route Sega went.

Because that worked out great for Sega and didn't result in a lost decade of crap product and directionless meandering.

Well the Wii was released 7 years ago, so they're about 3 years away from hitting that milestone.  Yeah yeah, casual gamers bought lots of them and played Wii Sports.  Everybody else just bought it because it was the only platform they were making their games for.  The Wii U's sales will similarly go up when they start actually releasing games for it.

Sega didn't have anywhere near the intellectual property library that Nintendo has.  There's only so many Sonic the Hedgehog games you can make before people get tired of them.  Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Starfox have a lot of options.

If their product is compelling enough that people are willing to buy a whole new console just to play it, then I guess it's not all that crap, is it?


The games are good but the console is crap.  The extra couple hundred aren't a deal breaker for me, but I could sure think of a lot of other uses for that money,
Probably works better with home consoles than it does with portables though.  There's quite a few mobile games from them that I'd like to play, but not enough to buy a 3DS and have yet another thing to carry around with me.
 
2013-07-08 12:41:01 PM  

AdamK: PsyLord: Tiber727: AdamK: Gergesa: Good for him.  This entire attitude of lop off peasants heads if there is a lower than expected crop yield is ludicrous.

/FTFM

Iwata was a developer at Nintendo before climbing the ranks, laying off staff is the last thing Nintendo needs to be doing right now and he knows what would happen if he did that

if anything Nintendo needs to hire more people, which is what they've been doing for several years now, content sells systems and firing people won't make content come out any faster

Yep. Nintendo already admitted that their current drought of Wii U games is because they weren't prepared for the increased development work required for HD games.

How can they not be prepared for the increased development work?  They've had all this time between the Wii and Wii U's release to figure that out.

the last crop of major 1st party development efforts for the Wii ended just 2-3 years ago, considering those same studios are now coming out with games in late 2013/early 2014 - that's about the same pace it took for developers to jump into the PS3/360 gen

the major hiring expansions started in 2011 as well, not to mention their 1st party efforts on 3DS


True, but that's still no excuse.  They knew what hd dev was like from seeing what pains Sony and Ms went though 7-8 years ago.  Those companies learned from that, and were able to jump into xbone and ps4 pretty quickly.

Nintendo seemingly has not.  They seem to have been caught completely flat footed with the wii U, and as a result all their major games that should have already dropped or been ready to go this year won't hit till next year some time.  That's not a good place for them to be in.
 
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