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(Global Geopolitics)   Egypt's current ruling army chief, Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi™, was Made in America. Factual bonus: He also watched NFL games   (glblgeopolitics.wordpress.com) divider line 97
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2013-07-08 09:31:40 AM  
So you're saying The Shoepisser and John Madden made him catch teh crazys?
 
2013-07-08 09:33:17 AM  
After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?
 
2013-07-08 09:34:13 AM  
All the senior Egyptian officers are trained at the War College. This is only news to people who have no idea how the world works.
 
2013-07-08 09:42:27 AM  
What, like how mobsters become Made men?
 
2013-07-08 09:44:29 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?


Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.
 
2013-07-08 09:47:01 AM  

Muta: Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?

Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.


What does Obama have to do with Egypt?
 
2013-07-08 09:47:35 AM  

Muta: Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?

Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.


How does a popular uprising make Obama look bad?
 
2013-07-08 09:48:11 AM  
Way to go Obooger.  Mitt would have fixed this problem.
 
2013-07-08 09:48:51 AM  

Ned Stark: Muta: Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?

Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.

What does Obama have to do with Egypt?


It's, like, near Kenya or something.  Seekrit Muslim and all that.
 
2013-07-08 09:53:27 AM  

WTF Indeed: All the senior Egyptian officers are trained at the War College. This is only news to people who have no idea how the world works.


You mean to tell me that we trained the same people who participated in joint operations with US? Next thing you know you will be telling me that we give them aid as well as access to NATO fighters like the F-16 C and D's or the French Mirage fighters in exchange for insurances that the Suez will stay open and to avoid a situation like the Yom Kippur War or the Libyan-Egyptian War.

/But that kinda speak is commie talk and commie talk gets you butt reckt around these parts.
 
2013-07-08 09:53:55 AM  

Muta: Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?

Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.


It's nice to see two liberals embracing the core belief of the neo-conservative moment.
 
2013-07-08 09:54:04 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Muta: Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?

Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.

How does a popular uprising make Obama look bad?


It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.
 
2013-07-08 09:55:18 AM  

WTF Indeed: Muta: Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?

Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.

It's nice to see two liberals embracing the core belief of the neo-conservative moment.


Huh?
 
2013-07-08 09:55:49 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.


I'm interested, why do you think the military just deposed Morsi?
 
2013-07-08 09:57:40 AM  
Yes, and the 9/11 bombers learned how to fly in the U.S. I imagine this little tidbit will be about as useful.

It's unfortunate that Obama has managed to alienate pretty much every faction in Egypt. He is about as skilled in international diplomacy as my pet monkey.
 
2013-07-08 09:57:49 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.

I'm interested, why do you think the military just deposed Morsi?


Because they thought it would best safeguard their own position.

Tell me do you think they did it out of love and concern for the citizens of Egypt? You know the people they have been shooting.
 
2013-07-08 09:59:37 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Huh?


That an elected democracy, no matter how ineffective, exclusionary, whose actions drastically undermined the very basis of a representative democracy, and whose elected leaders were actively stoking sectarian violence must remain intact.
 
2013-07-08 10:02:49 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Huh?

That an elected democracy, no matter how ineffective, exclusionary, whose actions drastically undermined the very basis of a representative democracy, and whose elected leaders were actively stoking sectarian violence must remain intact.


You think that is a core tenet of neoconservatism?
 
2013-07-08 10:03:54 AM  

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Huh?

That an elected democracy, no matter how ineffective, exclusionary, whose actions drastically undermined the very basis of a representative democracy, and whose elected leaders were actively stoking sectarian violence must remain intact.


So, I guess the answer to my question is : Yes, even after the military killed dozens of civilians overnight, Farkers are still singing the praises of the military coup.
 
2013-07-08 10:04:59 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: cameroncrazy1984: Muta: Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?

Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.

How does a popular uprising make Obama look bad?

It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.


I guess all those people in Tahrir square supporting the military are actually IN the military?
 
2013-07-08 10:05:19 AM  

SpankMeJohnny: Yes, and the 9/11 bombers learned how to fly in the U.S. I imagine this little tidbit will be about as useful.

It's unfortunate that Obama has managed to alienate pretty much every faction in Egypt. He is about as skilled in international diplomacy as my pet monkey.


This.  If My Man Mitt was in charge, this whole problem would be fixed.  Way to go, Barack HUSSEIN Alabama.
 
2013-07-08 10:06:23 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Huh?

That an elected democracy, no matter how ineffective, exclusionary, whose actions drastically undermined the very basis of a representative democracy, and whose elected leaders were actively stoking sectarian violence must remain intact.

So, I guess the answer to my question is : Yes, even after the military killed dozens of civilians overnight, Farkers are still singing the praises of the military coup.


Man, in 1775, I bet you would've been all like "No, we can't fight against the king! We must use non-violence against his usurpation of power! His government must remain intact!"
 
2013-07-08 10:06:31 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Because they thought it would best safeguard their own position.

Tell me do you think they did it out of love and concern for the citizens of Egypt? You know the people they have been shooting.


That's a thought. Or it could be that the nation has limited power, water, and other basic services after a year of Mori's government. It's elected leaders were actively removing judges from office and declaring their rulings against changes to the Constitution as illegal.  Morsi claimed on several occasions that he was "above the law" and that 24 million Egyptians signed a petition(a basic expression of a democracy) to ask for new elections and Morsi refused saying he was in charge no matter what happened.
 
2013-07-08 10:08:11 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: cameroncrazy1984: Muta: Philip Francis Queeg: After the dozens of dead overnight, are Farkers still singing the praises of the coup?

Unfortunately, yes.  They typically favor anything that makes Obama look bad.

How does a popular uprising make Obama look bad?

It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.

I guess all those people in Tahrir square supporting the military are actually IN the military?


So any protest is a"popular uprising" now?

Tell us, is it "the people" who have been killing civilian protesters?
 
2013-07-08 10:09:54 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Huh?

That an elected democracy, no matter how ineffective, exclusionary, whose actions drastically undermined the very basis of a representative democracy, and whose elected leaders were actively stoking sectarian violence must remain intact.

So, I guess the answer to my question is : Yes, even after the military killed dozens of civilians overnight, Farkers are still singing the praises of the military coup.

Man, in 1775, I bet you would've been all like "No, we can't fight against the king! We must use non-violence against his usurpation of power! His government must remain intact!"


And in 1775 you'd apparently have been supporting firing into crowds of civilian protesters.
 
2013-07-08 10:10:00 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So any protest is a"popular uprising" now?


It's not just any protest. It's something like 30 million demonstrators. Or it was before they kicked Morsi out.

Philip Francis Queeg: Tell us, is it "the people" who have been killing civilian protesters?


It's the military, supported by the people. I don't remember anyone guaranteeing that a transition to democracy was ever supposed to be non-violent. How many people died in the US revolution?
 
2013-07-08 10:10:27 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.

I'm interested, why do you think the military just deposed Morsi?

Because they thought it would best safeguard their own position.

Tell me do you think they did it out of love and concern for the citizens of Egypt? You know the people they have been shooting.


I think internal Egyptian politics are much more complex than the simple caricature of a banana republic that you have reduced them to.
 
2013-07-08 10:11:31 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: And in 1775 you'd apparently have been supporting firing into crowds of civilian protesters


Lots of civilians died in the cause of freedom in 1775-1781. Many also were killed by the Continentals. Does that mean I should not have supported the Continental Army?
 
2013-07-08 10:11:32 AM  

BMulligan: You think that is a core tenet of neoconservatism?


Well it's a Straussian argument for neo-conservatism.
 
2013-07-08 10:12:06 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.

I'm interested, why do you think the military just deposed Morsi?

Because they thought it would best safeguard their own position.

Tell me do you think they did it out of love and concern for the citizens of Egypt? You know the people they have been shooting.

I think internal Egyptian politics are much more complex than the simple caricature of a banana republic that you have reduced them to.


Don't you understand? People died! This automatically makes the cause unworthy of supporting. Apparently.
 
2013-07-08 10:17:55 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.

I'm interested, why do you think the military just deposed Morsi?

Because they thought it would best safeguard their own position.

Tell me do you think they did it out of love and concern for the citizens of Egypt? You know the people they have been shooting.

I think internal Egyptian politics are much more complex than the simple caricature of a banana republic that you have reduced them to.



Exactly, which is why it's important to remember the Egyptian military is not "for the people."   The Egyptian military is its own little centralized state.  They own lots of land, as well as heavy and domestic industry.  If you're employed making refrigerators in Egypt, most likely you're working for the Military.

The coup was about the economy.  Not the people.  It's a safe bet, that at this point, anything that threatens the military's economic base will be removed in the name of the people.  That's what took down Mohamed Morsi.  The economy.

But it's really hard to see how Egypt's economy is going to improve if the military owns everything.
 
2013-07-08 10:18:43 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: And in 1775 you'd apparently have been supporting firing into crowds of civilian protesters

Lots of civilians died in the cause of freedom in 1775-1781. Many also were killed by the Continentals. Does that mean I should not have supported the Continental Army?


So yes, you would have supported firing into crowds of civilian protesters.
 
2013-07-08 10:19:49 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: And in 1775 you'd apparently have been supporting firing into crowds of civilian protesters

Lots of civilians died in the cause of freedom in 1775-1781. Many also were killed by the Continentals. Does that mean I should not have supported the Continental Army?



George Washington did not overthrow the Continental Congress nor the Congress of the Confederation no matter how dysfunctional they were.
 
2013-07-08 10:20:09 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: It's a military coup, not a popular uprising,.

I'm interested, why do you think the military just deposed Morsi?

Because they thought it would best safeguard their own position.

Tell me do you think they did it out of love and concern for the citizens of Egypt? You know the people they have been shooting.

I think internal Egyptian politics are much more complex than the simple caricature of a banana republic that you have reduced them to.


Do you think it's more complex than the caricature that those who support the coup as a "popular uprising" for freedom and liberty have reduced it to?
 
2013-07-08 10:20:29 AM  
Last I heard, literally every Muslim national government bureaucracy is run by engineers of business grads from top tier American universities. How is this even news? Muslim expansion is planned based on marketing and sales tehcniques from up-to-date American grad schools, according to journalists and authors like V. S. Naipul.
 
2013-07-08 10:20:55 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: And in 1775 you'd apparently have been supporting firing into crowds of civilian protesters

Lots of civilians died in the cause of freedom in 1775-1781. Many also were killed by the Continentals. Does that mean I should not have supported the Continental Army?

So yes, you would have supported firing into crowds of civilian protesters.


No, I would have supported the Continental Army  even though I don't support some of the things they did.

Do you see how that works? You can be in support of a cause without supporting every single action taken in support of that cause. That's like saying we can't support the US involvement in the Pacific Theater in WWII because we used the two atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed orders of magnitude more than 42 people.
 
2013-07-08 10:21:36 AM  

DarnoKonrad: cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: And in 1775 you'd apparently have been supporting firing into crowds of civilian protesters

Lots of civilians died in the cause of freedom in 1775-1781. Many also were killed by the Continentals. Does that mean I should not have supported the Continental Army?


George Washington did not overthrow the Continental Congress nor the Congress of the Confederation no matter how dysfunctional they were.


No, but the Whiskey Rebellion and Shay's Rebellion certainly tried to, which lead eventually to the Constitution.
 
2013-07-08 10:23:21 AM  
I hear he's a real Sissi.
 
2013-07-08 10:23:28 AM  
It's just fantastic how uninformed some Americans are about their own damn history.
 
2013-07-08 10:26:48 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: It's just fantastic how uninformed some Americans are about their own damn history.


It's almost as funny as people that don't know what government agencies actually do and how the law works the governs them.
 
2013-07-08 10:28:00 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: DarnoKonrad: cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: And in 1775 you'd apparently have been supporting firing into crowds of civilian protesters

Lots of civilians died in the cause of freedom in 1775-1781. Many also were killed by the Continentals. Does that mean I should not have supported the Continental Army?


George Washington did not overthrow the Continental Congress nor the Congress of the Confederation no matter how dysfunctional they were.

No, but the Whiskey Rebellion and Shay's Rebellion certainly tried to, which lead eventually to the Constitution.



And the military in both those cases sided with the civilian government.  The Egyptian military is doing the exact opposite.    It's flatly disturbing to see people cheer a military coup.  Make no mistake, this is a massive set back for democracy in Egypt.  It remains to be seen how much of a setback, but you can bet the 51% of the people who voted for Morsi aren't under any delusion their vote means anything at this point.  They have been disenfranchised.
 
2013-07-08 10:29:27 AM  

DarnoKonrad: And the military in both those cases sided with the civilian government.  The Egyptian military is doing the exact opposite.


I don't see how that's relevant. You're more okay with the military putting down a popular rebellion than supporting one.
 
2013-07-08 10:29:44 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: cameroncrazy1984: Philip Francis Queeg: And in 1775 you'd apparently have been supporting firing into crowds of civilian protesters

Lots of civilians died in the cause of freedom in 1775-1781. Many also were killed by the Continentals. Does that mean I should not have supported the Continental Army?

So yes, you would have supported firing into crowds of civilian protesters.

No, I would have supported the Continental Army  even though I don't support some of the things they did.

Do you see how that works? You can be in support of a cause without supporting every single action taken in support of that cause. That's like saying we can't support the US involvement in the Pacific Theater in WWII because we used the two atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed orders of magnitude more than 42 people.


So you support the cause of military control of the state. Got it.

You must be deeply saddened to live in a nation which doesn't have such blessings? Think how much better off we'd all be in this country id the military was superior to the civilian government,. not the other way around.
 
2013-07-08 10:31:17 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So you support the cause of military control of the state. Got it.


Can you please show me where the military is planning on controlling the state? Thanks.
 
2013-07-08 10:33:25 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: DarnoKonrad: And the military in both those cases sided with the civilian government.  The Egyptian military is doing the exact opposite.

I don't see how that's relevant. You're more okay with the military putting down a popular rebellion than supporting one.


You don't see how that's relevant?    You honestly think if George Washington had used his army to dissolve the continental congress we'd be the same nation we are today?  Are you nuts?  Can you not see the precedent this sets?
 
2013-07-08 10:33:54 AM  
I mean, everything I'm seeing says the military is meeting with representatives of the political parties about planning elections, so if you have any information that says otherwise, I'd love to read it.
 
2013-07-08 10:33:57 AM  
So is this blog reputable? I've noticed Fark has been linking to it a bunch and I'd never heard of it until recently.
 
2013-07-08 10:34:55 AM  

DarnoKonrad: cameroncrazy1984: DarnoKonrad: And the military in both those cases sided with the civilian government.  The Egyptian military is doing the exact opposite.

I don't see how that's relevant. You're more okay with the military putting down a popular rebellion than supporting one.

You don't see how that's relevant?    You honestly think if George Washington had used his army to dissolve the continental congress we'd be the same nation we are today?  Are you nuts?  Can you not see the precedent this sets?


Oh god, it might mean that the next time Egypt elects a president he won't try to institute Sharia Law and consolidate power only to him! DEAR GOD THE HORROR!
 
2013-07-08 10:36:40 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Can you please show me where the military is planning on controlling the state? Thanks.


It already does. And it has for a very long time.  It removed both Mubarak and Morsi because they threaten their power in one way or another.
 
2013-07-08 10:37:30 AM  

DarnoKonrad: And the military in both those cases sided with the civilian government. The Egyptian military is doing the exact opposite. It's flatly disturbing to see people cheer a military coup. Make no mistake, this is a massive set back for democracy in Egypt. It remains to be seen how much of a setback, but you can bet the 51% of the people who voted for Morsi aren't under any delusion their vote means anything at this point. They have been disenfranchised.


It is possible, in fact likely, that this is both a setback for democracy yet also a good thing for the general Egyptian population. Fact of the matter is, this is how leaders in Egypt (and many other countries) end their reigns. It's pretty much accepted and expected by the populace.
 
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