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2013-07-08 08:05:15 AM
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2013-07-08 08:50:31 AM
I just read about this yesterday.  I am definitely going.  Check out some of the videos on YouTube.  It seems like a hoot.
 
2013-07-08 08:53:59 AM
I have participated in four or five of these.  They're a great time, where the focus is more on the spirit of the event than on the race.  In our first, a true 24-hour race, we managed to spin a bearing during our first session, replace the engine with one we borrowed from the team next door, destroy that motor and then install a third borrowed motor cobbled together with a mish-mash of scrounged bits.  Unfortunately, an electrical issue prevented us from getting motor #3 going and we weren't able to finish.  It was still an incredibly fun time, possibly more fun than a couple of the events that we ran from start to finish.
 
2013-07-08 09:14:55 AM
$300k per weekend just in entrance fees...

Nice little enterprise.
 
2013-07-08 09:42:24 AM

puddleonfire: [img.photobucket.com image 800x380]


Brings back memories. My 1st car was a 78 Sunbird, Pontiac's version of the Monza. Ugly gold. Dash was rotted out and held together with spray foam and duct tape. The rear sway bar was randomly gathered pieces of metal welded together. A Trans-Am bird on the hood. It was a piece of crap, but God I loved that car.

/tear
 
2013-07-08 09:47:42 AM
I'm waxing nostalgic for my 1971 Pinto after watching this. Looks like a really fun time. Ah, the memories of my first car...
 
2013-07-08 10:02:42 AM
Oh, and also: a standalone bar, three kegs of Fat Tire Amber Ale, one kegerator, 31/ 2 cases of canned beer (in case the kegs went dry), two cases of Fireball cinnamon whiskey, a stereo, a laser-light-show system, a dance cage, some neon spray paint and magic markers, several strands of outdoor lights, one men's scuba suit (complete with snorkel and mask), assorted neon wigs and various rave-party-themed costume paraphernalia.

...two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.
 
2013-07-08 10:21:34 AM

Parkanzky: I have participated in four or five of these.  They're a great time, where the focus is more on the spirit of the event than on the race.  In our first, a true 24-hour race, we managed to spin a bearing during our first session, replace the engine with one we borrowed from the team next door, destroy that motor and then install a third borrowed motor cobbled together with a mish-mash of scrounged bits.  Unfortunately, an electrical issue prevented us from getting motor #3 going and we weren't able to finish.  It was still an incredibly fun time, possibly more fun than a couple of the events that we ran from start to finish.


Curious... how much do these end up actually costing you, between the $500 car, entrance fees, and all the stuff that doesn't fall under the $500 umbrella (tires, safety equipment)?
 
2013-07-08 10:25:14 AM
Ahh....fond memories of racing at Summit Point (I was the co-driver for this upside-down car)
 
2013-07-08 10:25:15 AM

puddleonfire: [img.photobucket.com image 800x380]


Cool, I had a 76 Monza 2+2 and a 71 Charger at one time or another.
 
2013-07-08 10:26:23 AM
The monza was, in retrospect, a neat looking car for the time.
 
2013-07-08 10:47:49 AM

LumberJack: Parkanzky: I have participated in four or five of these.  They're a great time, where the focus is more on the spirit of the event than on the race.  In our first, a true 24-hour race, we managed to spin a bearing during our first session, replace the engine with one we borrowed from the team next door, destroy that motor and then install a third borrowed motor cobbled together with a mish-mash of scrounged bits.  Unfortunately, an electrical issue prevented us from getting motor #3 going and we weren't able to finish.  It was still an incredibly fun time, possibly more fun than a couple of the events that we ran from start to finish.

Curious... how much do these end up actually costing you, between the $500 car, entrance fees, and all the stuff that doesn't fall under the $500 umbrella (tires, safety equipment)?


I don't have the spreadsheet here at work, but if it's your first race and you're building a car figure somewhere around $6k for the team if you're really pinching pennies.  That assumes that everybody already owns a current helmet and all the requisite nomex.

The registration fees are somewhat steep (There's a fee for the car, each driver and a "racing license" for each driver, then also a small charge for anybody in your crew).

Safety gear for the car adds up fast (a good professionally-installed cage, a seat and harness are all expensive, not to mention the window net, cage padding, etc.).  Don't skimp on safety!

You'll want a full set of fresh tires and spare wheels/tires, as well as new brakes all-around.  If you are in the spirit of it, you'll spend a couple hundred bucks on paint and decorations to pull off a killer theme.

Then there's the track fee for a test-n-tune day to make sure it's all going to work, and all the fuel you burn running a car at the limit for 16-24 hours (Hundreds of dollars).

/Totally worth it.
 
2013-07-08 11:00:03 AM
I'll just leave these here:

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And best for last:
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2013-07-08 11:11:11 AM
I raced with the guys from "Snoopy's Quest for the Holy Nickelbag."  IIRC, it was a 1-ton van and had a mid-mounted, twin-turbo'd, carb'd small-block Chevy motor in the back.

Those guys were truly awesome.
 
2013-07-08 11:12:14 AM
I've only met a couple of guys involved in "Le Mons" but those I've met definitely have Aspergers.
 
2013-07-08 11:32:38 AM

x-caliber: Ahh....fond memories of racing at Summit Point (I was the co-driver for this upside-down car)


Steamrolled by a couple of Miatas?

Awesome ;)
 
2013-07-08 11:42:42 AM

Parkanzky: LumberJack: Parkanzky: I have participated in four or five of these.  They're a great time, where the focus is more on the spirit of the event than on the race.  In our first, a true 24-hour race, we managed to spin a bearing during our first session, replace the engine with one we borrowed from the team next door, destroy that motor and then install a third borrowed motor cobbled together with a mish-mash of scrounged bits.  Unfortunately, an electrical issue prevented us from getting motor #3 going and we weren't able to finish.  It was still an incredibly fun time, possibly more fun than a couple of the events that we ran from start to finish.

Curious... how much do these end up actually costing you, between the $500 car, entrance fees, and all the stuff that doesn't fall under the $500 umbrella (tires, safety equipment)?

I don't have the spreadsheet here at work, but if it's your first race and you're building a car figure somewhere around $6k for the team if you're really pinching pennies.  That assumes that everybody already owns a current helmet and all the requisite nomex.

The registration fees are somewhat steep (There's a fee for the car, each driver and a "racing license" for each driver, then also a small charge for anybody in your crew).

Safety gear for the car adds up fast (a good professionally-installed cage, a seat and harness are all expensive, not to mention the window net, cage padding, etc.).  Don't skimp on safety!

You'll want a full set of fresh tires and spare wheels/tires, as well as new brakes all-around.  If you are in the spirit of it, you'll spend a couple hundred bucks on paint and decorations to pull off a killer theme.

Then there's the track fee for a test-n-tune day to make sure it's all going to work, and all the fuel you burn running a car at the limit for 16-24 hours (Hundreds of dollars).

/Totally worth it.


I'll bet it's worth every penny and I know that's cheap in the general racing world. I don't know if that's the first thing I'd spend 5-10k on when it ever become available, but it's on the list.
 
2013-07-08 11:51:31 AM
I was actually looking into doing that this summer. Got access to a full racing shop and was planning on building a car this summer. Real life kind of got in the way and had to put off those plans. But yeah we budgeted about 4-5K considering we could do almost all the work ourselves for cost of materials. Otherwise I'm looking into building a miata for a track day car. I want to have one before I hit 40. (seriously Miatas are cheap as hell to build.)
 
2013-07-08 12:25:54 PM

Tellingthem: I was actually looking into doing that this summer. Got access to a full racing shop and was planning on building a car this summer. Real life kind of got in the way and had to put off those plans. But yeah we budgeted about 4-5K considering we could do almost all the work ourselves for cost of materials. Otherwise I'm looking into building a miata for a track day car. I want to have one before I hit 40. (seriously Miatas are cheap as hell to build.)


Buy one that's already built, with a current log book and known history. You'll probably still need to do some work, but it'll still be cheaper and quicker than building it yourself.

/Built two race cars
//Bought the last one
 
2013-07-08 12:52:34 PM
I'm confused as to how the value of the car is determined
 
2013-07-08 01:05:10 PM

DaAlien: Tellingthem: I was actually looking into doing that this summer. Got access to a full racing shop and was planning on building a car this summer. Real life kind of got in the way and had to put off those plans. But yeah we budgeted about 4-5K considering we could do almost all the work ourselves for cost of materials. Otherwise I'm looking into building a miata for a track day car. I want to have one before I hit 40. (seriously Miatas are cheap as hell to build.)

Buy one that's already built, with a current log book and known history. You'll probably still need to do some work, but it'll still be cheaper and quicker than building it yourself.

/Built two race cars
//Bought the last one


Yeah but half the fun is building them. I'm one of those guys like likes the process of things.  I figure it would be a nice weekend project to do. The Lemons car was going to be the fun project to learn more before the real one. I was always that guy who takes his car to some backroads to go ripping some corners and have always been curious about actual track racing. Nothing serious mind you, more just some fun. So building a little track car is part of it. Figure plenty of mistakes and headaches but in the end i will have done something on my own.
 
2013-07-08 01:31:11 PM

Tellingthem: DaAlien: Tellingthem: I was actually looking into doing that this summer. Got access to a full racing shop and was planning on building a car this summer. Real life kind of got in the way and had to put off those plans. But yeah we budgeted about 4-5K considering we could do almost all the work ourselves for cost of materials. Otherwise I'm looking into building a miata for a track day car. I want to have one before I hit 40. (seriously Miatas are cheap as hell to build.)

Buy one that's already built, with a current log book and known history. You'll probably still need to do some work, but it'll still be cheaper and quicker than building it yourself.

/Built two race cars
//Bought the last one

Yeah but half the fun is building them. I'm one of those guys like likes the process of things.  I figure it would be a nice weekend project to do. The Lemons car was going to be the fun project to learn more before the real one. I was always that guy who takes his car to some backroads to go ripping some corners and have always been curious about actual track racing. Nothing serious mind you, more just some fun. So building a little track car is part of it. Figure plenty of mistakes and headaches but in the end i will have done something on my own.


I totally get that. I enjoyed building both cars, and with the first one I was damned if I was gonna let someone else screw up the turbo install. But believe me, if you buy someone elses project, you'll still get as much wrench time as you want, and you'll be on the track sooner for less money than starting from scratch. Unless you're the reincarnation of Smokey Yunick (which I sure ain't).
 
2013-07-08 01:51:07 PM

DaAlien: Tellingthem: DaAlien: Tellingthem: I was actually looking into doing that this summer. Got access to a full racing shop and was planning on building a car this summer. Real life kind of got in the way and had to put off those plans. But yeah we budgeted about 4-5K considering we could do almost all the work ourselves for cost of materials. Otherwise I'm looking into building a miata for a track day car. I want to have one before I hit 40. (seriously Miatas are cheap as hell to build.)

Buy one that's already built, with a current log book and known history. You'll probably still need to do some work, but it'll still be cheaper and quicker than building it yourself.

/Built two race cars
//Bought the last one

Yeah but half the fun is building them. I'm one of those guys like likes the process of things.  I figure it would be a nice weekend project to do. The Lemons car was going to be the fun project to learn more before the real one. I was always that guy who takes his car to some backroads to go ripping some corners and have always been curious about actual track racing. Nothing serious mind you, more just some fun. So building a little track car is part of it. Figure plenty of mistakes and headaches but in the end i will have done something on my own.

I totally get that. I enjoyed building both cars, and with the first one I was damned if I was gonna let someone else screw up the turbo install. But believe me, if you buy someone elses project, you'll still get as much wrench time as you want, and you'll be on the track sooner for less money than starting from scratch. Unless you're the reincarnation of Smokey Yunick (which I sure ain't).


Haha no I'm not either. Yeah I know it'll be easier and cheaper and faster...but i like making things hard haha. I redid our kitchen floor and screwed it up so many times that i need to redo the whole thing again. but i now know how to redo an entire floor properly and so when I redid the bathroom floor it came out fantastic. So while hiring a professional to do our floor would have been cheaper and easier and faster it would not have been as much fun for me. And I wouldn't have learned as much. So that is thought process for me and a car. It will take twice as long, cost twice as much, and I'll have to redo everything but I'll learn a lot and it will be fun! While I'm cursing the car gods and patching up another round of scraped knuckles and a toe which the ratchet just bounced off of and wondering why this damn shaft isn't fitting properly. Heh actually did that once. Put on a new axle shaft just to realize after I put the whole thing back together that is was actually the wrong one and just looked the same and had to tear it all back down again. I had no idea you could throw a wrench that far!
 
2013-07-08 03:20:58 PM

Tellingthem: I was actually looking into doing that this summer. Got access to a full racing shop and was planning on building a car this summer. Real life kind of got in the way and had to put off those plans. But yeah we budgeted about 4-5K considering we could do almost all the work ourselves for cost of materials. Otherwise I'm looking into building a miata for a track day car. I want to have one before I hit 40. (seriously Miatas are cheap as hell to build.)


I've had a few Miatas (four, I think) at various levels of prep from bone stock to racing Spec Miata.  They're pretty much the best bang for your buck there is for a track car.  They're ridiculously fun to toss around on the track and cheap enough that you don't cry when you get it very, very wrong.
 
2013-07-08 08:53:14 PM

TheHighlandHowler: I just read about this yesterday.  I am definitely going.  Check out some of the videos on YouTube.  It seems like a hoot.


It really does, there's probably one in your neighborhood AREA.
http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
 
2013-07-08 09:05:17 PM
This might be a good car.   http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-Pontiac-Grand-AM-SE-4-Dr-3-4-lite r -V-6-/190867566922?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c7097f14a#ht_500wt_1182

All you have to do is drive to MN to pick it up, haul it back, remove the interior, add a roll cage and other safety equipment, haul it to the track, pay the entry, etc, it adds up.

/If you want to be a millionaire in racing, you better start as a multi-millionaire
//Just kidding, if there's a solid team of people with cash, communications equipment (you can probably rent that), a welder with equipment and supplies, someone with a truck and trailer, and cash you can make most anything happen.
///a really big motor home would be nice.  you can rent that also though
 
M-G
2013-07-09 11:02:01 AM

spentshells: I'm confused as to how the value of the car is determined


As I recall, it's all in what you've actually spent.  And if you buy your car for $1000, but sell off the parts you don't need for $500, you've only spent $500 towards your cap.
 
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