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(Washington Post)   California raisin farmer refuses to contribute part of his harvest to the national raisin reserve. I heard it through the grapevine   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 87
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2013-07-08 02:14:53 AM
 I hope he wins.
 
2013-07-08 02:19:31 AM
Seems to me our Constitution mentions something about the government can't take private property without just compensation.
 
2013-07-08 02:23:15 AM

Staffist: I hope he wins.


You are rooting for this guy?

"You have heard of the rape of the Sabine women? This is even worse," Horne said, referencing a legendary mass abduction from Roman mythology. "The rape of the raisin growers."

I'm sure all the raisin farmers will love a gigantic price crash.  This guy is also profiting off of selling more of his crop than his competitors by breaking the law.
 
2013-07-08 02:26:27 AM
If raisins were cheaper I would buy more of them. The government needs to stop its artificial price supports.
 
2013-07-08 02:55:47 AM

SnakeLee: Staffist: I hope he wins.

You are rooting for this guy?

"You have heard of the rape of the Sabine women? This is even worse," Horne said, referencing a legendary mass abduction from Roman mythology. "The rape of the raisin growers."

I'm sure all the raisin farmers will love a gigantic price crash.  This guy is also profiting off of selling more of his crop than his competitors by breaking the law.


A way outdated law that lets the government and some parasitic raisin lobby take his hard-grown product without compensation . I hope he wins.
 
2013-07-08 07:02:04 AM
Bunch of whiners.  Personally I think that whole industry needs to be pruned down a bit.
 
2013-07-08 07:38:33 AM
FTFA: Other reserves existed for almonds, walnuts, tart cherries and other products.

So THAT'S why those damn things are so expensive!
/yet so delicious
 
2013-07-08 07:42:46 AM
July 8, 2013 - 7:41am. I just realized why they used "Heard It Through The Grapevine" in the California Raisins commercial.
 
2013-07-08 07:43:22 AM
I hope the whole thing just dies on the vine.
 
2013-07-08 07:43:47 AM
Do we have a strategic raisin stockpile?
 
2013-07-08 07:44:47 AM

OgreMagi: Seems to me our Constitution mentions something about the government can't take private property without just compensation.


Seems to me that Mr. Raisin Hoarder shouldn't be taking those tax breaks that get handed out to farmers too!!!

It seriously would not surprise me if he also gets some other government assistance because of the specific crop he grows.

Take and give man...take and give...
 
2013-07-08 07:45:01 AM
Didn't we just go through this with the helium reserve and everyone lost their minds that we'll run out of helium in the next decade?
 
2013-07-08 07:46:22 AM

feckingmorons: If raisins were cheaper I would buy more of them. The government needs to stop its artificial price supports.


This.

Raisins really could be cheaper than they are here. I mean, sure they're cheap enough for most people to afford a couple spoonfuls for their breakfast oatmeal, but if they were even cheaper, well, there are some really tasty old European dishes that call for like $10 worth of raisins and I often can't justify that for a dessert or entree that only serves 12 people. So I only make those at Christmastime or for birthdays.
 
2013-07-08 07:46:52 AM
We must not allow a mineshaft gap.
 
2013-07-08 07:47:24 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Do we have a strategic raisin stockpile?


Yes, in massive underground salt domes in Louisiana.
 
2013-07-08 07:51:00 AM

feckingmorons: If raisins were cheaper I would buy more of them. The government needs to stop its artificial price supports.


Yeah, I saw the part of the article that said demand for raisins had gone down since 2004... well, duh. Raisins are expensive. My kid likes to eat them like candy but they seem pretty expensive compared to apples and bananas.
 
2013-07-08 07:54:58 AM
I make my own
 
2013-07-08 07:56:53 AM
I eat TONS of rasins. Go price crushing free-market hero.
 
2013-07-08 07:57:59 AM
Why are grapes and plums the only fruit that get a new name when they're dried?
 
2013-07-08 07:59:06 AM
At what point in your career does a colleague tell you "Yeah, there's an opening in the Raisin decision where you go around taking them from people" do you say "Ok, this is what I want to do with my life"?
 
2013-07-08 07:59:28 AM

Endive Wombat: OgreMagi: Seems to me our Constitution mentions something about the government can't take private property without just compensation.

Seems to me that Mr. Raisin Hoarder shouldn't be taking those tax breaks that get handed out to farmers too!!!

It seriously would not surprise me if he also gets some other government assistance because of the specific crop he grows.

Take and give man...take and give...


How much did you voluntarily give to the Federal government last year?
 
2013-07-08 08:01:59 AM

OgreMagi: Seems to me our Constitution mentions something about the government can't take private property without just compensation.


I love how the articles all state that they receive little to nothing, but don't really state how much they make. They best I can find is that these extra raisins are sold to schools and other countries at significantly reduced prices. Sounds more like an eminent domain issue, they are getting paid, just much less than they want. It wouldn't surprise me if removal of this program lowered raisin prices across the board and the growers found themselves making less total profit.
 
2013-07-08 08:02:21 AM

SpiderQueenDemon: feckingmorons: If raisins were cheaper I would buy more of them. The government needs to stop its artificial price supports.

This.

Raisins really could be cheaper than they are here. I mean, sure they're cheap enough for most people to afford a couple spoonfuls for their breakfast oatmeal, but if they were even cheaper, well, there are some really tasty old European dishes that call for like $10 worth of raisins and I often can't justify that for a dessert or entree that only serves 12 people. So I only make those at Christmastime or for birthdays.


I wouldn't.  Raisins almost killed my dog.  Seriously.  I had not idea they were toxic to dogs so I was sharing my trail mix with him while we watched TV and he started going into Kidney failure the next morning.   Fark you raisins!
 
2013-07-08 08:04:53 AM
Truman's five year plan-loop.
 
2013-07-08 08:05:31 AM
Cut all his tax breaks and his subsidies.
If he wants to operate without contributing to a known expectation, delist him as agriculture and classify him as a distributor.
 
2013-07-08 08:07:34 AM

Endive Wombat: Seems to me that Mr. Raisin Hoarder shouldn't be taking those tax breaks that get handed out to farmers too!!!

It seriously would not surprise me if he also gets some other government assistance because of the specific crop he grows.

Take and give man...take and give...


You would think that the article would mention that if it were happening or that the supreme court would have mentioned it or that someone would have mentioned it. Not all small farmers take govt. subsidies strictly because they usually come with stipulations like this. This is something different. This was something that their predecessors (meaning raisin farmers back in the 40's) voted on to bolster prices not unlike some regulations regarding milk prices. The flaw in how it was set up is that there was no provision to repeal it by the same method (farmers voting) and instead left it up to the Dept. of Agriculture to determine when it had outlived its usefulness. And we all know how eager govt. entities are to relinquish power now don't we?
 
2013-07-08 08:08:21 AM

vgss: At what point in your career does a colleague tell you "Yeah, there's an opening in the Raisin decision where you go around taking them from people" do you say "Ok, this is what I want to do with my life"?


No, you tell him PERFECT, this is my raison d'etre!
 
2013-07-08 08:08:28 AM
And to think of all the raisins I've thrown away from MREs.


\Grape anything is gross
 
2013-07-08 08:08:38 AM
does he play teh sax??

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2013-07-08 08:09:39 AM
Ugh, my idiot cousins heard that song on the Big Chill soundtrack and said, "ooh, the raisin song!"
 
2013-07-08 08:10:12 AM

elguerodiablo: SpiderQueenDemon: feckingmorons: If raisins were cheaper I would buy more of them. The government needs to stop its artificial price supports.

This.

Raisins really could be cheaper than they are here. I mean, sure they're cheap enough for most people to afford a couple spoonfuls for their breakfast oatmeal, but if they were even cheaper, well, there are some really tasty old European dishes that call for like $10 worth of raisins and I often can't justify that for a dessert or entree that only serves 12 people. So I only make those at Christmastime or for birthdays.

I wouldn't.  Raisins almost killed my dog.  Seriously.  I had not idea they were toxic to dogs so I was sharing my trail mix with him while we watched TV and he started going into Kidney failure the next morning.   Fark you raisins!


This is Fark, dammit! You can't tell a story like that without telling us how the dog is doin'!! It's not okay to leave your fellow Farkers hanging like that! >o(

/just sayin' ;)
 
2013-07-08 08:12:43 AM

BHShaman: Cut all his tax breaks and his subsidies.
If he wants to operate without contributing to a known expectation, delist him as agriculture and classify him as a distributor.


Did you read how at least one farmer had 30% in one year and 40% another year of his crop taken away from him? He'd probably be better off doing that if they would let him.
 
2013-07-08 08:18:42 AM
I like the cut of this man's newsletter.
 
2013-07-08 08:19:19 AM
I'm eating oatmeal with raisins, apples and cranberries right now, so I'm getting a high-fiber kick out of this thread.
 
2013-07-08 08:21:32 AM

vgss: At what point in your career does a colleague tell you "Yeah, there's an opening in the Raisin decision where you go around taking them from people" do you say "Ok, this is what I want to do with my life"?


When you see the easy  money... like the $65 mil mentioned in TFA.

I think the raisin market can find its own equilibrium.
 
2013-07-08 08:22:57 AM
Are they really raisin farmers because you can't actually grow raisins.  You can grow grapes, but you can't grow raisins.
 
2013-07-08 08:23:30 AM
If you're going to work and then somebody's going to take a huge chunk out of whatever you produce just for the sake of competition, why even bother being in that line of work? There's no point to being a raisin producer anymore. There's no point watching over and caring for the things that you grow because you know some asshole will collect almost half of it and then throw it wherever. You work for an entire year and you only get half of what you spent your time growing. We already have a system for that and it's called the tax. You're already giving away your money to pay taxes, don't let them take your fruits, vegetables, and other food as well!
 
2013-07-08 08:26:06 AM

BHShaman: Cut all his tax breaks and his subsidies.
If he wants to operate without contributing to a known expectation, delist him as agriculture and classify him as a distributor.


Why does this idiot logic always pop up in politics threads? (guess I answered my own question).

If you have ever accepted a dime of money from the federal government in your life, you are forbidden from questioning any of its policies.  (At least until a guy from the "other team" is in the White House, of course).

If you've never served in the military you cannot question any of its decisions.

If you've never been a teacher, you cannot question anything teachers say.

If you don't have children, you are completely discuss anything related to children.
 
2013-07-08 08:27:52 AM
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2013-07-08 08:31:41 AM

BarkingUnicorn: vgss: At what point in your career does a colleague tell you "Yeah, there's an opening in the Raisin decision where you go around taking them from people" do you say "Ok, this is what I want to do with my life"?

When you see the easy  money... like the $65 mil mentioned in TFA.

I think the raisin market can find its own equilibrium.


Exactly. The people taking the raisins are supposed to use any money gotten from their sale to either promote raisins somehow or give it back to the farmers. Oddly enough they always seem to need exactly as much as they rake in year after year. Funny how that works out.
 
2013-07-08 08:33:17 AM

MayoBoy: Are they really raisin farmers because you can't actually grow raisins.  You can grow grapes, but you can't grow raisins.


Raisins are just grapes of wrath.
 
2013-07-08 08:36:38 AM
Ooh, You know that I am feelin' bored
it is my job is to build a raisin hoard
With all o' tha farms in Cali-for-ni-a
Dryin' out grapes every night and day
It took me by surprise I must say,
When I found out yesterday.
Don't you know that...

(Chorus:)
I'm gettin' sued in District 9
How much longer will raisins be mine
Oh I heard it through the grapevine,
Oh and I'm takin dried grapes off the vine.
money, money yeah.
 
2013-07-08 08:38:10 AM

Falstaff: Ooh, You know that I am feelin' bored
it is my job is to build a raisin hoard
With all o' tha farms in Cali-for-ni-a
Dryin' out grapes every night and day
It took me by surprise I must say,
When I found out yesterday.
Don't you know that...

(Chorus:)
I'm gettin' sued in District 9
How much longer will raisins be mine
Oh I heard it through the grapevine,
Oh and I'm takin dried grapes off the vine.
money, money yeah.


/golfclap
 
2013-07-08 08:43:54 AM
He's under the thumb of the lobbyist of Big Raisin.
 
2013-07-08 08:45:55 AM

MindStalker: I love how the articles all state that they receive little to nothing, but don't really state how much they make. They best I can find is that these extra raisins are sold to schools and other countries at significantly reduced prices. Sounds more like an eminent domain issue, they are getting paid, just much less than they want. It wouldn't surprise me if removal of this program lowered raisin prices across the board and the growers found themselves making less total profit.


You must have read different articles than me.  The one I read said that the committee that confiscates the raisins is really really good at spending all of the proceeds before it gets to the point where it pays the farmers for the raisins they stole, and in the case of at least one farmer, that was close to 50% of his entire crop.
 
2013-07-08 08:49:28 AM

OgreMagi: Seems to me our Constitution mentions something about the government can't take private property without just compensation.


But it also says stuff about government needing things like probable cause and a warrant to invade our privacy. Fark progressives for years have been telling me that the Constitution was an old, outdated document written by white, rich slave owning men., that it was just a piece of paper.

"It took about 150 years, starting with a Bill of Rights that reserved to the states and the people all powers not explicitly delegated to the federal government, to produce a Supreme Court willing to rule that growing corn to feed to your own hogs is interstate commerce and can be regulated by Congress." -- David Friedman, THE MACHINERY OF FREEDOM (p.146)

"The Constitution is like my old blue dress ... it doesn't fit anymore." -- Rep. Ellen Tauscher, (democrat, California)

To hell with the Constitution. -- Former California Assemblyman Democrat Mike Roos, February 1989

"A strict reading of the constitution would be a mistake" Al Gore 3/14/00
 
2013-07-08 08:54:31 AM
Farm Subsidy database

•$292.5 billion in subsidies 1995-2012.
$177.6 billion in commodity subsidies.
$53.6 billion in crop insurance subsidies.
$38.9 billion in conservation subsidies.
$22.5 billion in disaster subsidies.
•62 percent of farms in United States did not collect subsidy payments - according to USDA.
•Ten percent collected 75 percent of all subsidies.

•Amounting to $178.5 billion over 18 years.
•Top 10%: $32,043 average per year between 1995 and 2012.
•Bottom 80%: $604 average per year between 1995 and 2012.


Crop Insurance in the United States

NEW DATA - Insurance subsidies to individual policyholders

Washington, D.C. - A new analysis of over a million government records never before made public and obtained by the Environmental Working Group through the Freedom of Information Act has found that in 2011 more than 10,000 individual farming operations have received federal crop insurance premium subsidies ranging from $100,000 to more than $1 million apiece. Some 26 farming operations received subsidies of $1 million or more last year. Read More

26 farm businesses benefitted from $1 million in subsidies to buy crop insurance in 2011.

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10 percent of farm businesses received 54 percent of all insurance subsidies in 2011
 
2013-07-08 08:56:28 AM

SnakeLee: Staffist: I hope he wins.

You are rooting for this guy?

"You have heard of the rape of the Sabine women? This is even worse," Horne said, referencing a legendary mass abduction from Roman mythology. "The rape of the raisin growers."

I'm sure all the raisin farmers will love a gigantic price crash.  This guy is also profiting off of selling more of his crop than his competitors by breaking the law.


If you bothered to read the U.S. constitution you would know about a provision that says if the government takes something of yours, they have to pay you for it.  This law is unconstitutional.
 
2013-07-08 08:56:30 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: MindStalker: I love how the articles all state that they receive little to nothing, but don't really state how much they make. They best I can find is that these extra raisins are sold to schools and other countries at significantly reduced prices. Sounds more like an eminent domain issue, they are getting paid, just much less than they want. It wouldn't surprise me if removal of this program lowered raisin prices across the board and the growers found themselves making less total profit.

You must have read different articles than me.  The one I read said that the committee that confiscates the raisins is really really good at spending all of the proceeds before it gets to the point where it pays the farmers for the raisins they stole, and in the case of at least one farmer, that was close to 50% of his entire crop.


Still no actual numbers, also it does pay for raisin commercials (which may or may not do any good, wish they would bring back the band ). I think they should cancel the program so they can see why the raisin farmers all agreed to this cartel in the first place. I'd be willing to bet in a few seasons they will sing a different tune.
 
2013-07-08 09:00:42 AM
Government welfare gone amuck
 
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