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(Canton Repository)   Good news for marriage equality in Ohio; the "traditional marriage" crowd says that the polls are skewed   (cantonrep.com) divider line 76
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2013-07-08 11:02:31 AM

FlashHarry:


That was completely different
 
2013-07-08 11:03:52 AM
Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


Translation:

"I see absolutely no cognitive dissonance in stating that there is one single traditional form of marriage while simultaneously stating that our ancestors have considered many different versions of marriage to be the societal norm at different points in history."
 
2013-07-08 11:07:00 AM
How are these dirty motherf*ckers still operating tax-free?
www.rightwingwatch.org
 
2013-07-08 11:08:59 AM

ampoliros: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Very unpopular.


I was unaware. His re-election attempt may alter the dynamic.
 
2013-07-08 11:33:44 AM

cameroncrazy1984: I don't understand. If this guy thinks "traditional marriage" (whatever that means) works, what's stopping him from having one if gays get married?


The implication of his statement is that he wants to force everyone to get straight married.
 
2013-07-08 11:37:17 AM

Lost Thought 00: cameroncrazy1984: I don't understand. If this guy thinks "traditional marriage" (whatever that means) works, what's stopping him from having one if gays get married?

The implication of his statement is that he wants to force everyone to get straight married.


These shiatlords are so small-minded and insecure that they truly believe that if they don't have cultural dominance over this country, including dictating that marriage is only what they believe marriage should be, their values are worthless. They need the validation of holding standards over others. It's not enough for them to hold the standards to themselves.
 
2013-07-08 11:39:40 AM

imontheinternet: Political trolling is a proud and storied American tradition, going all the way back to John Hancock's supersized signature on the Declaration of Independence.


I am so going to steal this.
 
2013-07-08 11:42:51 AM

Lord Dimwit: The people who want to enshrine "God's Law" into man's law and ban gay marriage are often the first to complain when we try to enshrine "God's Law" into man's law regarding charity. Jesus spoke far more about helping the poor than he did about any kind of sexual morality. If these people really wanted the law to reflect God's will, they would be campaigning ten times harder for the welfare state than for equal marriage bans.

In other words, they're bigots hiding behind religion.


farm4.staticflickr.com

"I think you're on to something"
 
2013-07-08 12:05:01 PM
Ohio already has the support of Republicans such as Senator Rob Portman and former AG Jim Petro to overturn the ban on same-sex marriage through popular vote. We really need to get more moderate Republicans such as Ken Blackwell, George Voinovich, Betty Montgomery, Bob Taft, and others to support this measure by convincing them to get rid of government interference on marriage. However, I could see the gay marriage ban stand if voted on in 2014 since most people agree that Kasich should be re-elected and thus a higher Republican turnout. Kasich hasn't said much and doesn't really care about the issue. Kasich should really stay out of the issue and let the people decide for themselves as Governor LePage of Maine did in 2012. If he does become vocal, his opponent will turn up the criticism.

Even if it the gay marriage ban is overturned, the state of Ohio may not enforce the new law allowing same-sex marriage similar to what California did when Prop 8 passed.
 
2013-07-08 12:35:01 PM

Funk Brothers: Even if it the gay marriage ban is overturned, the state of Ohio may not enforce the new law allowing same-sex marriage similar to what California did when Prop 8 passed.


They might go the Indiana route and criminalize filing a same-sex marriage license or altering the paperwork to allow for same (currently, the application lists "male applicant" and "female applicant"). Depending what the courts have to say about laws like that in the post-DOMA era, we may find out that some states don't blink at two dudes with a marriage license while others fine them, the clerk who filed it, anyone involved in printing it, and their offices. Possibly jail time as well.
 
2013-07-08 12:36:06 PM

Dog Welder: "Them putting the issue on the ballot does not concern us. What they'll do is guarantee that John Kasich gets re-elected."

Yeah, because Kasich is so beloved now after raising taxes on the poor, cutting taxes on the rich, lowering aid to poor families, and cutting off aid for birth control while also getting rid of abortion in Ohio.  It might play well out in the sticks with the Bible Bumpkins, but he's doomed unless the Democrats come up with a child murderer to run against him.


And if they can make the argument that the child had it coming, it will still be a horse race.
 
2013-07-08 12:38:50 PM

Graffito: My favorite part:


Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


The only reason the Greeks stopped with Teh Ghey was because of Christian prudeness. They would have kept on with it forever.
 
2013-07-08 01:28:42 PM

DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.


Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.
 
2013-07-08 01:34:21 PM

FlashHarry: [i45.tinypic.com image 400x300]


laf
 
2013-07-08 02:27:11 PM

dugitman: FlashHarry: [i45.tinypic.com image 400x300]

laf


not mine. totally stolen from a fellow farker (and rehosted).
 
2013-07-08 02:55:57 PM

FlashHarry: dugitman: FlashHarry: [i45.tinypic.com image 400x300]

laf

not mine. totally stolen from a fellow farker (and rehosted).


Still funny. I thought it looked like Jackson's work? at first glance- with the 'fart' and all.
 
2013-07-08 03:03:15 PM

REO-Weedwagon: How are these dirty motherf*ckers still operating tax-free?
[www.rightwingwatch.org image 617x260]


Because they aren't campaigning for a particular candidate? Being tax-free doesn't mean not having controversial opinions - it means that they focus on the issue instead of the candidates. (EG - "vote to save marriage", instead of "vote for X Candidate so s/he can save marriage").
 
2013-07-08 03:06:28 PM

Dog Welder: Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.


Have there been new polls showing how the budget has affected his popularity? Everything I've seen has had him viewed as more and more of a moderate, and gaining in popularity. I'm not sure how widely the new budget has been covered b/c I don't really watch too much news on TV...
 
2013-07-08 03:30:53 PM

REO-Weedwagon: How are these dirty motherf*ckers still operating tax-free?



Every group needs an enemy to spur membership.
 
2013-07-08 03:31:51 PM

Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.


The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?
 
2013-07-08 08:52:42 PM

DeaH: Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.

The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?


Ooo!  Ooo!  Mr Kotter!

Is it Kasich's line-item veto of language in the budget that would prevent his going forward with Medicaid expansion?

Is it the spider monkey thing?  It's the monkeys, isn't it.
 
2013-07-08 10:43:09 PM

Parthenogenetic: DeaH: Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.

The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?

Ooo!  Ooo!  Mr Kotter!

Is it Kasich's line-item veto of language in the budget that would prevent his going forward with Medicaid expansion?

Is it the spider monkey thing?  It's the monkeys, isn't it.


Exactly how would supporting Medicaid expansion hurt Kasich? (And, yes, Kasich's line item veto kept Medicaid expansion alive; it did the opposite of keeping it from going forward.) The Tea Party may not be happy, but most other people will be. Certainly you're not suggesting that sticking it to Mandel would make Kasich less popular. One thing good people of all political stripe have in common is that Joshy-boy is a bug who needs to be stepped on.

Or we're you just bitten by a rabid spider monkey?
 
2013-07-09 12:21:41 AM

DeaH: Parthenogenetic: DeaH: Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.

The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?

Ooo!  Ooo!  Mr Kotter!

Is it Kasich's line-item veto of language in the budget that would prevent his going forward with Medicaid expansion?

Is it the spider monkey thing?  It's the monkeys, isn't it.

Exactly how would supporting Medicaid expansion hurt Kasich? (And, yes, Kasich's line item veto kept Medicaid expansion alive; it did the opposite of keeping it from going forward.) The Tea Party may not be happy, but most other people will be. Certainly you're not suggesting that sticking it to Mandel would make Kasich less popular. One thing good people of all political stripe have in common is that Joshy-boy is a bug who needs to be stepped on.

Or we're you just bitten by a rabid spider monkey?


Supporting the Medicaid expansion upsets the Tea Party base and while it might endear him to the left in isolation, the rest of his actions make it impossible for him to run as a centrist candidate.  If he loses his right flank, he cannot be re-elected.
 
2013-07-09 12:34:34 AM
I'm pretty conservative as far as most things go, but I just don't get the whole uproar about gay marriage. Yes, some people have a moral problem with homosexuality. Deal with it. It's not the government's job to dictate morals and values, and banning gay marriage doesn't actually stop people from being gay anyways. In my opinion, from the state's point of view this is (or should be) an issue of legality, not morality. No, you can't force churches to perform or recognize gay marriage, nor should you try (again, not the government's place to dictate morals). As far as the state is concerned, however, marriage is a piece of paper, a legal agreement between 2 consenting adults.

"B-b-b-but Mod! If we allow 2 men to get married, why not let a man marry his pet turtle, or his toaster!?"

First of all, that's retarded. But, sure, why not. Why the fark do I care if some guy wants to stick his dick in his toaster? Maybe he'll forget to unplug it first and thin out the herd a little. Win-win. What about a man and 2 women? 2 men, 3 women and an albino goat? Again, who the fark cares. As long as it is between consenting adults (okay, probably not the goat), why the hell should it be any of my business? As long as you aren't hurting anyone else, do whatever floats your boat.
 
2013-07-09 01:02:21 AM

Stile4aly: DeaH: Parthenogenetic: DeaH: Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.

The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?

Ooo!  Ooo!  Mr Kotter!

Is it Kasich's line-item veto of language in the budget that would prevent his going forward with Medicaid expansion?

Is it the spider monkey thing?  It's the monkeys, isn't it.

Exactly how would supporting Medicaid expansion hurt Kasich? (And, yes, Kasich's line item veto kept Medicaid expansion alive; it did the opposite of keeping it from going forward.) The Tea Party may not be happy, but most other people will be. Certainly you're not suggesting that sticking it to Mandel would make Kasich less popular. One thing good people of all political stripe have in common is that Joshy-boy is a bug who needs to be stepped on.

Or we're you just bitten by a rabid spider monkey?

Supporting the Medicaid expansion upsets the Tea Party base and while it might endear him to the left in isolation, the rest of his actions make it impossible for him to run as a centrist candidate.  If he loses his right flank, he cannot be re-elected.


Even within the Tea Party, there are those who really like the idea of taking federal money to keep in-state taxes lower. I don't like Kasich. I mean, I SERIOUSLY dislike him, but his ratings in-state are strong, and I don't see that anything that's happened in the last two weeks is going to hurt him - unless the left can paint him as anti-woman. I hope they do this, but I am not seeing any action taken on this. There should have been huge protests in Columbus, and it's not happening. It needs to.
 
2013-07-09 10:40:45 AM

Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.


It's far less certain in 2014 than 2016, yes. On the other hand, such an experiment would bear close scrutiny -- while no certainty of such, it might imaginably be a driver for turnout of younger voters.

In which case, the older religious right voters will have cause for worry.

PC LOAD LETTER: The only reason the Greeks stopped with Teh Ghey was because of Christian prudeness.


And because it was ritually associated with certain pagan cults, as I understand.
 
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