If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Canton Repository)   Good news for marriage equality in Ohio; the "traditional marriage" crowd says that the polls are skewed   (cantonrep.com) divider line 76
    More: Spiffy, Ohio, same-sex marriages, Marlboro, Citizens for Community Values  
•       •       •

2090 clicks; posted to Politics » on 08 Jul 2013 at 8:13 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



76 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2013-07-08 12:39:36 AM
I can't wait until I get to vote on this again!
 
2013-07-08 01:08:11 AM
It's not traditional if there's no dowry.
 
2013-07-08 01:13:08 AM

themindiswatching: It's not traditional if there's no dowry.


I have a gay goat that you may be interested in ...
 
2013-07-08 08:16:23 AM
img153.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-08 08:23:33 AM
"On no other issue in America is the polling data is so wrong," he said. "The real polls are when people go to the polls and vote."


And, as we all know, nothing has changed in the last 10 years. NOTHING! LALALALALALALALALALA!!!
 
2013-07-08 08:23:48 AM
There goes that damned reality, all being skewed and liberal biased again. :-/
 
2013-07-08 08:26:40 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-08 08:29:48 AM
What's interesting about that article is that the pastor all but admits that churches in Ohio are networking and canvassing for the express purpose of electing John Kasich and stopping gay marriage.
 
2013-07-08 08:30:29 AM
This is easy. Simply ask Jabba the Poller to apply some Jesus-y math to the numbers.
 
2013-07-08 08:30:30 AM
The derp in the article came this close to saying that gay marriage would mean men humping turtles. Glad to see some churches see this as a civil rights issue.
 
2013-07-08 08:31:48 AM
I live in Ohio, I voted against the ban the first time and I'll do it again.

Even out here in the red'est part of the state where Romney got upwards of 70% of the vote, marriage equality has a decent amount of support. I can imagine that if it were put to a vote, it would be allowed.
 
2013-07-08 08:32:26 AM
I'm cool with whatever keeps cute lesbian couples in the news
 
2013-07-08 08:36:16 AM
When did Ohio become such a key battle state for every farking issue? Should be really be even listening to any state that doesnt disavow Cleveland?
 
2013-07-08 08:36:32 AM

ampoliros: I live in Ohio, I voted against the ban the first time and I'll do it again.

Even out here in the red'est part of the state where Romney got upwards of 70% of the vote, marriage equality has a decent amount of support. I can imagine that if it were put to a vote, it would be allowed.


Oh, and the biggest reason I can tell it would pass? I'm seeing openly gay couples now all over the place. At the gas station, grocery store, and everywhere else. Five years ago they would get stares and maybe a few snickers from teenagers. Now even the old people don't give them a second look.
 
2013-07-08 08:38:26 AM
My favorite part:


Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


 
2013-07-08 08:41:48 AM
Lol!  There's only one comment in TFA:

Phil Burress from Citizens for Community Values has been married 3 times as is a self-professed "porn-addict."

Awesome!
 
2013-07-08 08:42:46 AM

Piizzadude: When did Ohio become such a key battle state for every farking issue? Should be really be even listening to any state that doesnt disavow Cleveland?


7th most populous state.
 
2013-07-08 08:43:54 AM
Marriage should only be between a man and his Cheetos.

i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-08 08:44:00 AM

Graffito: My favorite part:


Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


Um I uhhhh... what? That's the dumbest thing ever.
 
2013-07-08 08:46:22 AM

Graffito: My favorite part:


Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


A perfect description of conservatism. No need to think, because our ancestors already solved all problems.
 
2013-07-08 08:49:03 AM

Graffito: My favorite part:


Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


"Grog f*ck tree for months and still no children."
"No more f*ck tree, Grog. Go f*ck dog and see if make children."
 
2013-07-08 08:51:43 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Graffito: My favorite part:


Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."

A perfect description of conservatism. No need to think, because our ancestors already solved all problems.


Tradition is the worst argument to use in defense of something.

Just because a practice has been followed as tradition tells us nothing of its virtue.

It also doesn't cover the fact that tradition is like saying "because we've always done it".

Ok then, why? "Just because" is 3rd grade logic.

/you know what that means...
 
2013-07-08 08:52:02 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: A perfect description of conservatism. No need to think, because our ancestors already solved all problems.


And yet, even our ancestors knew this was a stupid idea.
i.imgur.com
From the Jefferson Memorial
 
2013-07-08 08:55:35 AM
Aah, the old Appeal to Tradition, the last resort of people that are coming to realize that public opinion is shifting away from them, and that facts, logic, human decency, and fairness are not on their side, but damn it they don't want to change anything.

Our ancestors did it, so it must be right. You know, like bloodletting, slavery, women as property, segregation, alchemy...people used the same argument in favor of all those things and against reality. They eventually came around (well honestly many haven't but they know you can't openly advocate for those things anymore) and they will be dragged, kicking and screaming, across this threshold too.
 
2013-07-08 09:00:58 AM

WI241TH: Tyrone Slothrop: A perfect description of conservatism. No need to think, because our ancestors already solved all problems.

And yet, even our ancestors knew this was a stupid idea.
[i.imgur.com image 370x582]
From the Jefferson Memorial



A sentiment that conservative intelligentsia dismisses as "utopianism."   Something deeply changed in this nation with the election of Reagan.  American exceptionalism prior was an aspiration, afterword it became an excuse for lazy entitlement.
 
2013-07-08 09:01:06 AM
But if gay people are able to get married, then  gay people will be able to get married.
 
2013-07-08 09:03:41 AM

WI241TH: Tyrone Slothrop: A perfect description of conservatism. No need to think, because our ancestors already solved all problems.

And yet, even our ancestors knew this was a stupid idea.
[i.imgur.com image 370x582]
From the Jefferson Memorial


Pfft. All REAL 'muricans know that TJ was the red-headed step child of the founding fathers.
 
2013-07-08 09:04:01 AM
"On no other issue in America is the polling data is so wrong," he said. "The real polls are when people go to the polls and vote."

Read more: http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x208443666/Ohio-gay-marriage-push-gains- heft-on-both-sides#ixzz2YSVNtCxl


Mr. Burress has evidently learned well the lessons of Washington, Maine and Maryland.
 
2013-07-08 09:06:30 AM

dangelder: But if gay people are able to get married, then  gay people will be able to get married.


And that infringes on my religious mandate to treat gay people like dirt.

// I'm just pissed I never got to vote on hetero marriage
// you people have been making a mockery of it for some time now
 
2013-07-08 09:09:24 AM

theknuckler_33: "On no other issue in America is the polling data is so wrong," he said. "The real polls are when people go to the polls and vote."

And, as we all know, nothing has changed in the last 10 years. NOTHING! LALALALALALALALALALA!!!


Indeed.

Ohio is a median US state -- enough so it can be used pretty accurately as a proxy for the nation as a whole, and vice-versa. (This is one reason why it's a fairly tight swing state in close presidential elections.) When "In 2004, Ohioans approved a constitutional ban on gay marriage by 62 percent", the ratio of "oppose" to "support" for gay marriage legalization (including "strongly" on both, excluding "neither" and miscelaneous responses) from the US General Social Survey was 64% to 36% -- about the expected result.

As of 2012, oppose to support is nationally now 44% to 56%, and continues trending increasing support. Ergo, if a clearly-worded amendment supporting gay marriage gets past the Ohio legislature (which is GOP dominated, so not likely any time soon) or gets the circa 0.4M signatures for triggering Amendment by direct referendum (not impossible, but color me skeptical), it will likely be approved by the voters.

In contrast, despite Buress citing "North Carolina, where polls showed an even split on gay marriage, but a vote to legalize it went down to a sizable defeat", the polling for North Carolina indicated that the ban was supported 55-39; the actual vote turned out 61-39 -- undecideds all breaking against. Using that on the GSS-2012 indicates 52-48 oppose-vs-support, so Ohio might narrowly reject it... if the ballot is attempted before 2014. The attitudes have been shifting by about 1% each year. It's pretty much just a matter of waiting for enough funerals to go by.

a.imageshack.us
carryabigsticker.com
 
2013-07-08 09:09:26 AM
Cant't stop the homomentum!
 
2013-07-08 09:29:31 AM
DarnoKonrad:
I'm cool with whatever keeps cute lesbian couples in the news

Hey, look at the bods on these two:

ww2.hdnux.com

(kind of a cute photo, actually)
 
2013-07-08 09:34:47 AM
If gays getting married causes you problems, just get Xanax for gay summer weddings...
 
2013-07-08 09:39:42 AM
I don't understand. If this guy thinks "traditional marriage" (whatever that means) works, what's stopping him from having one if gays get married?
 
2013-07-08 09:40:57 AM

Graffito: My favorite part:


Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


Appeal to antiquity: I'm curious if he can point to where gay marriage was tried and ultimately rejected as an example of a lesson learned by our ancestors. Bonus points if he says Sodom and Gomorrah.
 
2013-07-08 09:43:30 AM
"Them putting the issue on the ballot does not concern us. What they'll do is guarantee that John Kasich gets re-elected."

Yeah, because Kasich is so beloved now after raising taxes on the poor, cutting taxes on the rich, lowering aid to poor families, and cutting off aid for birth control while also getting rid of abortion in Ohio.  It might play well out in the sticks with the Bible Bumpkins, but he's doomed unless the Democrats come up with a child murderer to run against him.
 
2013-07-08 09:46:31 AM
At long last, a real-life lesbian couple I can fap to.
 
2013-07-08 09:48:02 AM
I can't wait to vote for this.

I'm not proud to admit this, but I support gay marriage almost entirely because I enjoy the histrionics by the people who oppose gay marriage.  Every time another state flips, these people lose their minds about the end of the world.  It's hilarious to watch.  Equal rights are great and all, but it's my inner troll that loves this the most.
 
2013-07-08 09:49:19 AM
The people who want to enshrine "God's Law" into man's law and ban gay marriage are often the first to complain when we try to enshrine "God's Law" into man's law regarding charity. Jesus spoke far more about helping the poor than he did about any kind of sexual morality. If these people really wanted the law to reflect God's will, they would be campaigning ten times harder for the welfare state than for equal marriage bans.

In other words, they're bigots hiding behind religion.
 
2013-07-08 09:51:49 AM

abb3w: theknuckler_33: "On no other issue in America is the polling data is so wrong," he said. "The real polls are when people go to the polls and vote."

And, as we all know, nothing has changed in the last 10 years. NOTHING! LALALALALALALALALALA!!!

Indeed.

Ohio is a median US state -- enough so it can be used pretty accurately as a proxy for the nation as a whole, and vice-versa. (This is one reason why it's a fairly tight swing state in close presidential elections.) When "In 2004, Ohioans approved a constitutional ban on gay marriage by 62 percent", the ratio of "oppose" to "support" for gay marriage legalization (including "strongly" on both, excluding "neither" and miscelaneous responses) from the US General Social Survey was 64% to 36% -- about the expected result.

As of 2012, oppose to support is nationally now 44% to 56%, and continues trending increasing support. Ergo, if a clearly-worded amendment supporting gay marriage gets past the Ohio legislature (which is GOP dominated, so not likely any time soon) or gets the circa 0.4M signatures for triggering Amendment by direct referendum (not impossible, but color me skeptical), it will likely be approved by the voters.

In contrast, despite Buress citing "North Carolina, where polls showed an even split on gay marriage, but a vote to legalize it went down to a sizable defeat", the polling for North Carolina indicated that the ban was supported 55-39; the actual vote turned out 61-39 -- undecideds all breaking against. Using that on the GSS-2012 indicates 52-48 oppose-vs-support, so Ohio might narrowly reject it... if the ballot is attempted before 2014. The attitudes have been shifting by about 1% each year. It's pretty much just a matter of waiting for enough funerals to go by.

[a.imageshack.us image 850x575]
[carryabigsticker.com image 449x533]


I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.
 
2013-07-08 09:52:47 AM

Troy McClure: I can't wait to vote for this.

I'm not proud to admit this, but I support gay marriage almost entirely because I enjoy the histrionics by the people who oppose gay marriage.  Every time another state flips, these people lose their minds about the end of the world.  It's hilarious to watch.  Equal rights are great and all, but it's my inner troll that loves this the most.


Political trolling is a proud and storied American tradition, going all the way back to John Hancock's supersized signature on the Declaration of Independence.
 
2013-07-08 10:08:36 AM

Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.


The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.
 
2013-07-08 10:25:09 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.


Very unpopular.
 
2013-07-08 10:26:36 AM

Raharu: [img153.imageshack.us image 800x600]


One of my favorites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw
 
2013-07-08 10:29:42 AM

G. Tarrant: Our ancestors did it, so it must be right. You know, like bloodletting, slavery, women as property, segregation, alchemy...people used the same argument in favor of all those things and against reality.


FTFY.  Because they still want those things back too
 
2013-07-08 10:50:20 AM
There are way more "moderate" Ohioans than most think. They just don't scream as much about this social conservative bullshiat. Frankly, I don't think most people give a shiat. They're more concerned about their sales taxes going through the roof and the economy.

We're a purple state for a reason and despite all it's done, the Ohio GOP really hasn't had that much success.
 
2013-07-08 10:50:22 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.


Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.
 
2013-07-08 10:53:52 AM

DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.


Really? That's sad. They must have forgotten about all the crap he lost last year.
 
2013-07-08 10:54:36 AM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-08 10:55:07 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: What's interesting about that article is that the pastor all but admits that churches in Ohio are networking and canvassing for the express purpose of electing John Kasich and stopping gay marriage.


And thanks to all the false outrage over the fake IRS scandal - the churches will never be penalized.
 
2013-07-08 11:02:31 AM

FlashHarry:


That was completely different
 
2013-07-08 11:03:52 AM
Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


Translation:

"I see absolutely no cognitive dissonance in stating that there is one single traditional form of marriage while simultaneously stating that our ancestors have considered many different versions of marriage to be the societal norm at different points in history."
 
2013-07-08 11:07:00 AM
How are these dirty motherf*ckers still operating tax-free?
www.rightwingwatch.org
 
2013-07-08 11:08:59 AM

ampoliros: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Very unpopular.


I was unaware. His re-election attempt may alter the dynamic.
 
2013-07-08 11:33:44 AM

cameroncrazy1984: I don't understand. If this guy thinks "traditional marriage" (whatever that means) works, what's stopping him from having one if gays get married?


The implication of his statement is that he wants to force everyone to get straight married.
 
2013-07-08 11:37:17 AM

Lost Thought 00: cameroncrazy1984: I don't understand. If this guy thinks "traditional marriage" (whatever that means) works, what's stopping him from having one if gays get married?

The implication of his statement is that he wants to force everyone to get straight married.


These shiatlords are so small-minded and insecure that they truly believe that if they don't have cultural dominance over this country, including dictating that marriage is only what they believe marriage should be, their values are worthless. They need the validation of holding standards over others. It's not enough for them to hold the standards to themselves.
 
2013-07-08 11:39:40 AM

imontheinternet: Political trolling is a proud and storied American tradition, going all the way back to John Hancock's supersized signature on the Declaration of Independence.


I am so going to steal this.
 
2013-07-08 11:42:51 AM

Lord Dimwit: The people who want to enshrine "God's Law" into man's law and ban gay marriage are often the first to complain when we try to enshrine "God's Law" into man's law regarding charity. Jesus spoke far more about helping the poor than he did about any kind of sexual morality. If these people really wanted the law to reflect God's will, they would be campaigning ten times harder for the welfare state than for equal marriage bans.

In other words, they're bigots hiding behind religion.


farm4.staticflickr.com

"I think you're on to something"
 
2013-07-08 12:05:01 PM
Ohio already has the support of Republicans such as Senator Rob Portman and former AG Jim Petro to overturn the ban on same-sex marriage through popular vote. We really need to get more moderate Republicans such as Ken Blackwell, George Voinovich, Betty Montgomery, Bob Taft, and others to support this measure by convincing them to get rid of government interference on marriage. However, I could see the gay marriage ban stand if voted on in 2014 since most people agree that Kasich should be re-elected and thus a higher Republican turnout. Kasich hasn't said much and doesn't really care about the issue. Kasich should really stay out of the issue and let the people decide for themselves as Governor LePage of Maine did in 2012. If he does become vocal, his opponent will turn up the criticism.

Even if it the gay marriage ban is overturned, the state of Ohio may not enforce the new law allowing same-sex marriage similar to what California did when Prop 8 passed.
 
2013-07-08 12:35:01 PM

Funk Brothers: Even if it the gay marriage ban is overturned, the state of Ohio may not enforce the new law allowing same-sex marriage similar to what California did when Prop 8 passed.


They might go the Indiana route and criminalize filing a same-sex marriage license or altering the paperwork to allow for same (currently, the application lists "male applicant" and "female applicant"). Depending what the courts have to say about laws like that in the post-DOMA era, we may find out that some states don't blink at two dudes with a marriage license while others fine them, the clerk who filed it, anyone involved in printing it, and their offices. Possibly jail time as well.
 
2013-07-08 12:36:06 PM

Dog Welder: "Them putting the issue on the ballot does not concern us. What they'll do is guarantee that John Kasich gets re-elected."

Yeah, because Kasich is so beloved now after raising taxes on the poor, cutting taxes on the rich, lowering aid to poor families, and cutting off aid for birth control while also getting rid of abortion in Ohio.  It might play well out in the sticks with the Bible Bumpkins, but he's doomed unless the Democrats come up with a child murderer to run against him.


And if they can make the argument that the child had it coming, it will still be a horse race.
 
2013-07-08 12:38:50 PM

Graffito: My favorite part:


Arguing that traditional marriage is also best for children, Cochran said he subscribes to the writer G.K. Chesterton's philosophy of "the Democracy of the Dead."

"It's the idea that the vast majority of our ancestors tried and experimented with different ideas, and they came up with what works best," he said. "The traditional concept of one man, one woman is what works best."


The only reason the Greeks stopped with Teh Ghey was because of Christian prudeness. They would have kept on with it forever.
 
2013-07-08 01:28:42 PM

DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.


Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.
 
2013-07-08 01:34:21 PM

FlashHarry: [i45.tinypic.com image 400x300]


laf
 
2013-07-08 02:27:11 PM

dugitman: FlashHarry: [i45.tinypic.com image 400x300]

laf


not mine. totally stolen from a fellow farker (and rehosted).
 
2013-07-08 02:55:57 PM

FlashHarry: dugitman: FlashHarry: [i45.tinypic.com image 400x300]

laf

not mine. totally stolen from a fellow farker (and rehosted).


Still funny. I thought it looked like Jackson's work? at first glance- with the 'fart' and all.
 
2013-07-08 03:03:15 PM

REO-Weedwagon: How are these dirty motherf*ckers still operating tax-free?
[www.rightwingwatch.org image 617x260]


Because they aren't campaigning for a particular candidate? Being tax-free doesn't mean not having controversial opinions - it means that they focus on the issue instead of the candidates. (EG - "vote to save marriage", instead of "vote for X Candidate so s/he can save marriage").
 
2013-07-08 03:06:28 PM

Dog Welder: Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.


Have there been new polls showing how the budget has affected his popularity? Everything I've seen has had him viewed as more and more of a moderate, and gaining in popularity. I'm not sure how widely the new budget has been covered b/c I don't really watch too much news on TV...
 
2013-07-08 03:30:53 PM

REO-Weedwagon: How are these dirty motherf*ckers still operating tax-free?



Every group needs an enemy to spur membership.
 
2013-07-08 03:31:51 PM

Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.


The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?
 
2013-07-08 08:52:42 PM

DeaH: Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.

The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?


Ooo!  Ooo!  Mr Kotter!

Is it Kasich's line-item veto of language in the budget that would prevent his going forward with Medicaid expansion?

Is it the spider monkey thing?  It's the monkeys, isn't it.
 
2013-07-08 10:43:09 PM

Parthenogenetic: DeaH: Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.

The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?

Ooo!  Ooo!  Mr Kotter!

Is it Kasich's line-item veto of language in the budget that would prevent his going forward with Medicaid expansion?

Is it the spider monkey thing?  It's the monkeys, isn't it.


Exactly how would supporting Medicaid expansion hurt Kasich? (And, yes, Kasich's line item veto kept Medicaid expansion alive; it did the opposite of keeping it from going forward.) The Tea Party may not be happy, but most other people will be. Certainly you're not suggesting that sticking it to Mandel would make Kasich less popular. One thing good people of all political stripe have in common is that Joshy-boy is a bug who needs to be stepped on.

Or we're you just bitten by a rabid spider monkey?
 
2013-07-09 12:21:41 AM

DeaH: Parthenogenetic: DeaH: Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.

The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?

Ooo!  Ooo!  Mr Kotter!

Is it Kasich's line-item veto of language in the budget that would prevent his going forward with Medicaid expansion?

Is it the spider monkey thing?  It's the monkeys, isn't it.

Exactly how would supporting Medicaid expansion hurt Kasich? (And, yes, Kasich's line item veto kept Medicaid expansion alive; it did the opposite of keeping it from going forward.) The Tea Party may not be happy, but most other people will be. Certainly you're not suggesting that sticking it to Mandel would make Kasich less popular. One thing good people of all political stripe have in common is that Joshy-boy is a bug who needs to be stepped on.

Or we're you just bitten by a rabid spider monkey?


Supporting the Medicaid expansion upsets the Tea Party base and while it might endear him to the left in isolation, the rest of his actions make it impossible for him to run as a centrist candidate.  If he loses his right flank, he cannot be re-elected.
 
2013-07-09 12:34:34 AM
I'm pretty conservative as far as most things go, but I just don't get the whole uproar about gay marriage. Yes, some people have a moral problem with homosexuality. Deal with it. It's not the government's job to dictate morals and values, and banning gay marriage doesn't actually stop people from being gay anyways. In my opinion, from the state's point of view this is (or should be) an issue of legality, not morality. No, you can't force churches to perform or recognize gay marriage, nor should you try (again, not the government's place to dictate morals). As far as the state is concerned, however, marriage is a piece of paper, a legal agreement between 2 consenting adults.

"B-b-b-but Mod! If we allow 2 men to get married, why not let a man marry his pet turtle, or his toaster!?"

First of all, that's retarded. But, sure, why not. Why the fark do I care if some guy wants to stick his dick in his toaster? Maybe he'll forget to unplug it first and thin out the herd a little. Win-win. What about a man and 2 women? 2 men, 3 women and an albino goat? Again, who the fark cares. As long as it is between consenting adults (okay, probably not the goat), why the hell should it be any of my business? As long as you aren't hurting anyone else, do whatever floats your boat.
 
2013-07-09 01:02:21 AM

Stile4aly: DeaH: Parthenogenetic: DeaH: Dog Welder: DeaH: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.

The very unpopular governor is also up for re-election in 2014.

Um, as of June, Kasich was polling at 54%, and his numbers were on the rise. Personally, I hate that bastard, but the people in my corner of Ohio see him as the Savior. It seems like a lot of other folks in Ohio do, too, according to June's polls.

Yes, if only something had happened in between June and now that might cause people to think differently.

The only thing I can think of that's happened between the end of June and, well, one week later is the Abortion stuff shoved into the budget. Frankly, I don't see that making a bit of difference unless there's a ballot initiative (much like the union-busting stuff) on the issue. There are lots of "nice" Ohioans, men and women alike, who are perfectly fine with gutting reproductive health. I don't like it, but that's been my experience with Ohioans.

Or we're you think of something else that happened over the last week-and-a-half?

Ooo!  Ooo!  Mr Kotter!

Is it Kasich's line-item veto of language in the budget that would prevent his going forward with Medicaid expansion?

Is it the spider monkey thing?  It's the monkeys, isn't it.

Exactly how would supporting Medicaid expansion hurt Kasich? (And, yes, Kasich's line item veto kept Medicaid expansion alive; it did the opposite of keeping it from going forward.) The Tea Party may not be happy, but most other people will be. Certainly you're not suggesting that sticking it to Mandel would make Kasich less popular. One thing good people of all political stripe have in common is that Joshy-boy is a bug who needs to be stepped on.

Or we're you just bitten by a rabid spider monkey?

Supporting the Medicaid expansion upsets the Tea Party base and while it might endear him to the left in isolation, the rest of his actions make it impossible for him to run as a centrist candidate.  If he loses his right flank, he cannot be re-elected.


Even within the Tea Party, there are those who really like the idea of taking federal money to keep in-state taxes lower. I don't like Kasich. I mean, I SERIOUSLY dislike him, but his ratings in-state are strong, and I don't see that anything that's happened in the last two weeks is going to hurt him - unless the left can paint him as anti-woman. I hope they do this, but I am not seeing any action taken on this. There should have been huge protests in Columbus, and it's not happening. It needs to.
 
2013-07-09 10:40:45 AM

Dimensio: I would suggest that 2016 may be a safer year for such an amendment. I am skeptical of the possible success of such a measure in a midterm election.


It's far less certain in 2014 than 2016, yes. On the other hand, such an experiment would bear close scrutiny -- while no certainty of such, it might imaginably be a driver for turnout of younger voters.

In which case, the older religious right voters will have cause for worry.

PC LOAD LETTER: The only reason the Greeks stopped with Teh Ghey was because of Christian prudeness.


And because it was ritually associated with certain pagan cults, as I understand.
 
Displayed 76 of 76 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report