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(AP)   If you've petitioned the state of California to do something about the rampant prison sex in the state's penitentiaries, you're probably not going to like the state's solution   ( hosted.ap.org) divider line
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2013-07-08 12:21:21 AM  
PMITA prison.

Now with condoms!

Progress!
 
2013-07-08 12:44:32 AM  
I dont think a rapist behind bars would even consider using a condom on his victims as long as he was always the pitcher
 
2013-07-08 01:30:22 AM  
Why is it a felony to have sex in prison? America arrests more people than any other country for the most bullshiat of reasons, then makes it an environment where real
hardcore felons can get aids and rape people who shouldn't even be in prison, spreading both disease and suffering everywhere.

farkin' horrific. What they should do is segregate prisoners with AIDS, Hep, etc into a quarantine ward first off, offer condoms secondly, and allow fraternization between male and female prisoners in for non-violent offenses of a minor nature.

Also, a shiat ton of money coukd be saved if we dialed back sentencing to 1900s things. 14 days' hard labor is better for everyone than multiple months to a year for a misdemeanor.
 
2013-07-08 01:54:42 AM  
"It's a felony for prisoners to have sex while they're in prison, so I don't think it's good government for the state to encourage inmates to break the law," said Republican Assemblyman Dan Logue of Marysville.


I love the bureaucratic mind, don't you? Better to follow the letter of the law and risk increased spread of HIV both in and out of the prison than to modify it any. These are the same minds which came up with the poorly designed sexual offender laws and never went back to correct them, even after they threw kids as young as 6 out of school as sex offenders.

You could feed them all antidepressants. The Drug companies claim that only about 1 to 5% of users suffer sexual dysfunction. Therapists and patients know that it's actually 90%.

They used to put salt-peter in the food (potassium nitrate) to knock down the sexual urges of the prisoners. I don't know how well that worked or when they stopped it.

Of course, they could stop throwing everyone in jail for pi$$ arse little charges, like having a few pot seeds on them or a roach in the ashtray of their car or any number of minor crimes that the government, in the last 30 years, had made into felonies. (If you have a cable TV connection not connected and find you can 'connect' it by poking the wire loosely in the socket attached to your home, that is a felony. You're stealing cable. The cable companies pushed to get it made from a misdemeanor to a felony and the well paid off congressmen obliged.)

The way to prevent it? Cut the cable at the pole. Don't just unscrew the wire at the house and cut the end off.

Since we have more prisoners in the USA than nearly any other nation in the world, you'd think someone might have the brains to stop arresting everyone for nearly everything.

I think Russia is the only nation that has more. They don't spend billions on prisons either. Not too many isolation cells there and prisoners mainly work to support the prisons. Plus, the guards are armed, often accompanied by attack dogs and think nothing of bashing mouthy prisoners around.

In the US, guards have to be careful not to offend gangs who mainly run prisons. Being unarmed but for mace, a guard can be killed or maimed easily.

That's why Russian mobsters are showing up in the US. When arrested, going to prison for them is like going on a luxury vacation here.

Decrease the massive over crowding in the prisons, release non-violent offenders and/or put them on parole, stop arresting every stoner who reeks of pot and the incidents of sex in jail will decrease dramatically. Inmate violence will decrease dramatically also when they're not packed like sardines in cells.

The crowding in some prisons is so bad that some inmates act out just to get thrown into solitary for a little peace.
 
2013-07-08 01:59:33 AM  
Spouses and domestic partners are allowed to bring as many as 10 on overnight family visits with lower-level offenders who qualify for the incentive program, said corrections department spokeswoman Terry Thornton. But the condoms must be accounted for

That's a job I don't want. Used condom counter.
 
2013-07-08 03:02:51 AM  

Rik01: They used to put salt-peter in the food (potassium nitrate) to knock down the sexual urges of the prisoners. I don't know how well that worked or when they stopped it.


Whatever else you said that may or may not be true, this certainly isn't. It's an often-told urban legend that has never been demonstrated to be true anywhere.
 
2013-07-08 03:26:51 AM  
Why is consensual sex in prison a felony, or even illegal at all for that matter.
 
2013-07-08 03:37:39 AM  

coco ebert: Why is consensual sex in prison a felony, or even illegal at all for that matter.


For the same reason we have sex offender registries with public urinators and school children on them and innocent people on death rowbeing let go 25 years later: cowards in power.
 
2013-07-08 03:51:48 AM  
411posters.com

/I want you to feel this
 
2013-07-08 04:58:54 AM  
Is this just going to be a rehash of the prison sterilization thread?
 
2013-07-08 05:00:34 AM  
Wouldn't it make more sense to provide inflatable men and women?
 
2013-07-08 05:03:55 AM  
Look, if I can't make jokes about the horrific culture of rape in US penitentiaries and their contribution to the proliferation of STDs and mental illness in our nation then I don't know what it means to be an American anymore.
 
2013-07-08 05:09:56 AM  
If they sell it at the commissary, it'll never catch on.
 
2013-07-08 05:16:05 AM  

coco ebert: Why is consensual sex in prison a felony, or even illegal at all for that matter.


Not an expert, but my common-sense guess is that it's the same reason guards can't have sex with prisoners: a prisoner isn't really in a position to give free and willing consent. Even if they sign a contract with witnesses saying "yeah PMITA please," there's no way of knowing if they're being coerced behind the scenes.

The radical price drop and technological advances in video monitoring would make it a realistic option to keep an eye on all the cells for the most part, but I think the mandates to reduce prison rape are unfunded, so given a choice between spending $0 to do nothing or spending $30k wiring a surveillance system around the prison, $0 is going to win.
 
2013-07-08 05:16:40 AM  

doglover: Why is it a felony to have sex in prison? America arrests more people than any other country for the most bullshiat of reasons, then makes it an environment where real
hardcore felons can get aids and rape people who shouldn't even be in prison, spreading both disease and suffering everywhere.

farkin' horrific. What they should do is segregate prisoners with AIDS, Hep, etc into a quarantine ward first off, offer condoms secondly, and allow fraternization between male and female prisoners in for non-violent offenses of a minor nature.

Also, a shiat ton of money coukd be saved if we dialed back sentencing to 1900s things. 14 days' hard labor is better for everyone than multiple months to a year for a misdemeanor.


however - prison for profit (private) would lose profit
(rumor - primary advocates for tuffer sentencing are the owners of private prisons and the prison worker unions)
and we cannot have that
 
2013-07-08 05:30:29 AM  

bindlestiff2600: doglover: Why is it a felony to have sex in prison? America arrests more people than any other country for the most bullshiat of reasons, then makes it an environment where real
hardcore felons can get aids and rape people who shouldn't even be in prison, spreading both disease and suffering everywhere.

farkin' horrific. What they should do is segregate prisoners with AIDS, Hep, etc into a quarantine ward first off, offer condoms secondly, and allow fraternization between male and female prisoners in for non-violent offenses of a minor nature.

Also, a shiat ton of money coukd be saved if we dialed back sentencing to 1900s things. 14 days' hard labor is better for everyone than multiple months to a year for a misdemeanor.

however - prison for profit (private) would lose profit
(rumor - primary advocates for tuffer sentencing are the owners of private prisons and the prison worker unions)
and we cannot have that


I'm not saying we should set up a kangaroo court run by citizens for citizens and behead all the proponents and owners of private prisons, but in the unlikely event that did happen I'm fairly certain history would only be critical of the methods, not the outcome.
 
2013-07-08 05:32:31 AM  

T Baggins: coco ebert: Why is consensual sex in prison a felony, or even illegal at all for that matter.

Not an expert, but my common-sense guess is that it's the same reason guards can't have sex with prisoners: a prisoner isn't really in a position to give free and willing consent. Even if they sign a contract with witnesses saying "yeah PMITA please," there's no way of knowing if they're being coerced behind the scenes.

The radical price drop and technological advances in video monitoring would make it a realistic option to keep an eye on all the cells for the most part, but I think the mandates to reduce prison rape are unfunded, so given a choice between spending $0 to do nothing or spending $30k wiring a surveillance system around the prison, $0 is going to win.


I understand making it illegal for a prisoner to have sex with a guard- after all, there is a power differential there. But it would seem to me that making sex illegal between prisoners is different, but I guess I see how grey an area it could be. Still, I don't see why they would make it a felony- they're just further criminalizing the actions of an already marginalized population.
 
2013-07-08 05:43:58 AM  
Everyone in solitary 24/7/365?

Oh wait, subby said NOT going to like....
 
2013-07-08 05:51:44 AM  
Wow California catches up with Indonesia...
 
2013-07-08 06:11:40 AM  

doglover: Why is it a felony to have sex in prison? America arrests more people than any other country for the most bullshiat of reasons, then makes it an environment where real
hardcore felons can get aids and rape people who shouldn't even be in prison, spreading both disease and suffering everywhere.

farkin' horrific. What they should do is segregate prisoners with AIDS, Hep, etc into a quarantine ward first off, offer condoms secondly, and allow fraternization between male and female prisoners in for non-violent offenses of a minor nature.

Also, a shiat ton of money coukd be saved if we dialed back sentencing to 1900s things. 14 days' hard labor is better for everyone than multiple months to a year for a misdemeanor.


yeah but then republican dicks don't make $50000 a person a year to keep them in a privately run prison.
 
2013-07-08 06:18:22 AM  
So California's response to horrific numbers of males being raped is to give male prisoners condoms?

Can you even imagine the level of outrage at Jezebel if, say, condoms were given out to known sex offenders in lieu of prosecution?
 
2013-07-08 06:19:42 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Can you even imagine the level of outrage at Jezebel if, say, [insert anything reasonable towards men]

 
2013-07-08 06:28:12 AM  
And now the prisoners will have a reservoir of sexual emissions to flick at the guards. How nice.

///eeewwww
 
2013-07-08 06:38:09 AM  
FTFA:
On a lower-level, condoms have been available to jail inmates in San Francisco since 1989 and in Los Angeles County since 2001. Jails in New York City, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., also distribute them.

Wow, they're not going to like that.
 
2013-07-08 06:39:28 AM  
That seems like an incredibly smart thing to do.  Men have sex with men.  Get over yourselves.
 
2013-07-08 06:44:06 AM  
Enforce the law?

Oh.  Pass out condoms.   That's highly analogous to our approach to immigration issues too.
 
2013-07-08 06:45:25 AM  
lets see.  i just committed a farking crime, now i'm gonna fark someone.  i mean how retarded are people?  prison is for reflecting upon ones self  not celebrating gayly
 
2013-07-08 06:47:10 AM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: And now the prisoners will have a reservoir of sexual emissions to flick at the guards. How nice.

///eeewwww


My father was a C.O. at our Maximum Security Prison here in MA (It was called Walpole State Prison back then, now it's call ACI Plymouth). When inmates would through disgusting things at the guards (everything from shiat and piss to vomit and semen), the offender was immediately placed into isolation and charges were filed. That was the official policy... The unofficial policy was to blast Country and Western Music into the cell block all day as collective punishment.

'Course, that's the cleaned up version coming from my dad... I can only imagine what happened to the offending inmate when/if there was no one looking.
 
2013-07-08 06:55:31 AM  
The program has created no security issues, she said, while giving nurses a chance to counsel inmates and advise them that they should seek help if they are being coerced into having sex.

So the guy is being coerced into sex raped and he is going to ask the guy to put a condom on?
 
2013-07-08 06:56:07 AM  
If the law is going to be broken, no matter how well you enforce it, then there's a few things going on.

1) The law is busted. If nobody follows the law, it is much like making a law regulating the tides, or the rising and setting of the sun. Saying "We need to enforce it more!" doesn't fix the fact the law, itself, doesn't work.

2) Enforcement of a busted law (see above), and proclaiming such, undermine respect and authority of other laws, regardless of their validity. If an authority figure demands that the army enforce the law he made against the tides going in and out, they might not follow his orders for more simple things, like patrols.

So... why do it?

3) It feeds the ego that someone is DOING SOMETHING to solve a problem. It doesn't matter that the problem only exists in their heads. But, in addition to that, there is often also...

4) It is meant to punish a specific class of people, in this case prisoners, to 'legally' give additional punishments above and beyond what their original crimes were.

All told, this is a bad law, and our local Republicans should feel bad for trying to defend it.

If they're going to fark, and it has been demonstrated they're going to do so without regard for the rules, then make certain they at least fark safely.

But that line of logic leads to effective sex ed for kids and the giving of condoms and other preventives to teens, so we can't have that.

/Every day I get more ashamed I called myself an American Conservative, even for a short period of time, and supported these fudgetards.
 
2013-07-08 06:56:16 AM  
"I believe in two things: discipline and condoms. Here you'll receive both. Put your trust in the rubbers; your ass belongs to me. Welcome to Shawshank."
 
2013-07-08 06:57:52 AM  
you people are missing the point here. prisons are about to get a new form of currency.
 
2013-07-08 06:58:08 AM  
coco ebert
Why is consensual sex in prison a felony, or even illegal at all for that matter.


My guess:
1. Single-sex prisons = it's icky
2. It could reduce the number of reported prison rapes because the victims might (think they) get into legal trouble without having proof that it was non-consensual (a bit like the religious approach of shutting up victims by threatening to stone them or to force them to marry the rapist)
 
2013-07-08 06:59:24 AM  

gravebayne2: you people are missing the point here. prisons are about to get a new form of currency.


what? bitcoins?
 
2013-07-08 07:00:04 AM  

The Voice of Doom: coco ebert
Why is consensual sex in prison a felony, or even illegal at all for that matter.

My guess:
1. Single-sex prisons = it's icky
2. It could reduce the number of reported prison rapes because the victims might (think they) get into legal trouble without having proof that it was non-consensual (a bit like the religious approach of shutting up victims by threatening to stone them or to force them to marry the rapist)


male male "sex" is not even sex.  it's just playing.  and no one gets hurt
 
2013-07-08 07:02:39 AM  
So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.
 
2013-07-08 07:03:00 AM  

The Voice of Doom: coco ebert
Why is consensual sex in prison a felony, or even illegal at all for that matter.

My guess:
1. Single-sex prisons = it's icky
2. It could reduce the number of reported prison rapes because the victims might (think they) get into legal trouble without having proof that it was non-consensual (a bit like the religious approach of shutting up victims by threatening to stone them or to force them to marry the rapist)


I was thinking the first item you wrote is probably true as well.
 
2013-07-08 07:05:01 AM  

Summercat: 3) It feeds the ego that someone is DOING SOMETHING to solve a problem. It doesn't matter that the problem only exists in their heads. But, in addition to that, there is often also...


I think you are hung up on the consensual part.  There is a huge problem with rape.
 
2013-07-08 07:05:28 AM  

dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.


somehow i don't think men are "raped" persay.  since we don't have to worry about getting pregnant and blaming the other one for child support, etc.  why would we ever regret what we did?
 
2013-07-08 07:06:28 AM  
I can't imagine anyone is holdin off from rapin because they're HIV positive and they might pass it to someone else, so handing our condoms isnt going to make the problem of coerced sex any worse
 
2013-07-08 07:08:16 AM  

cman: I dont think a rapist behind bars would even consider using a condom on his victims as long as he was always the pitcher


Hopefully, he'll wind up to be a catcher.
 
2013-07-08 07:08:34 AM  
Eh, it's not a very creative solution.  I thought it would be something more along the lines of adding more security cameras and microphones to make it harder to avoid being seen - then connecting them all to a web server and charging the public for access.
 
2013-07-08 07:10:51 AM  
"But the condoms must be accounted for and are not permitted outside visiting areas."

What? I don't even...
 
2013-07-08 07:12:17 AM  

dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.


I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped
 
2013-07-08 07:14:47 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped


lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough
 
2013-07-08 07:14:57 AM  

gravebayne2: you people are missing the point here. prisons are about to get a new form of currency.


Well, then it's time to sell all my Honey Buns stock.
 
2013-07-08 07:17:28 AM  
This is great... next up CA will use the possession of condoms among prisoners as evidence of the "intent to commit a felony" just like NY used the possession of condoms among women on the street as evidence of prostitution.

/sadly not a sarcastic comment
 
2013-07-08 07:17:55 AM  
on a good note, it would add more lubrication than spit
 
2013-07-08 07:18:21 AM  

Lady J: I can't imagine anyone is holdin off from rapin because they're HIV positive and they might pass it to someone else, so handing our condoms isnt going to make the problem of coerced sex any worse


Make prison's co-ed, and see how many women suddenly magically care about the issue of prison rape.
 
2013-07-08 07:19:16 AM  

jpadc: This is great... next up CA will use the possession of condoms among prisoners as evidence of the "intent to commit a felony" just like NY used the possession of condoms among women on the street as evidence of prostitution.

/sadly not a sarcastic comment


yeah
cause men are supposed to supply the condoms not women.  they SHOULD be arrested.  any woman that buys a condom should be put in jail
 
2013-07-08 07:20:09 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Lady J: I can't imagine anyone is holdin off from rapin because they're HIV positive and they might pass it to someone else, so handing our condoms isnt going to make the problem of coerced sex any worse

Make prison's co-ed, and see how many women suddenly magically care about the issue of prison rape.


uh i don't think rape would be the issue then, but "nagging"
 
2013-07-08 07:29:39 AM  
The real solution is to realize how easy it is to be arrested in America. There's more than 10,000 crimes and not even the DAs know all of them. They have to do research before charging to find out exactly how many charges they can levy against you. At least one or two will stick. It's a repugnant abuse of power.

Then, the average citizen judges every convict the same. This guy raped and murdered a single mother in front of her kids, whom he then ate, while this guy over here pissed off a cop and got hit with some bullshiat like felony intent to distribute for having a few pot plants in a greenhouse. The state doesn't differentiate between them and neither does the public. Felony arrest? Not even a conviction? You're boned for life. And it's so easy to get arrested. All you gotta do is be the wrong color or meet the wrong cop when the cops' quota is low and the DA wants re-elected.

What we really need to do is stop pretending criminals aren't humans.
 
2013-07-08 07:29:47 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough


Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10
 
2013-07-08 07:32:31 AM  

alienated: Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough

Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10


if u can send me a video of someone getting violently raped, i'll believe it exists.  until then, STFU.
 
2013-07-08 07:38:56 AM  
If they'd done this in Baltimore then those four prison guards wouldn't have gotten pregnant from that prisoner.
 
2013-07-08 07:39:00 AM  
doglover:
The real solution is to realize how easy it is to be arrested in America. There's more than 10,000 crimes and not even the DAs know all of them. They have to do research before charging to find out exactly how many charges they can levy against you. At least one or two will stick. .

24.media.tumblr.com

"Well there was no actual evidence, so we got him for 'depraved indifference to human life'."
 
2013-07-08 07:48:41 AM  

No Such Agency: doglover:
The real solution is to realize how easy it is to be arrested in America. There's more than 10,000 crimes and not even the DAs know all of them. They have to do research before charging to find out exactly how many charges they can levy against you. At least one or two will stick. .

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]

"Well there was no actual evidence, so we got him for 'depraved indifference to human life'."


Exactly.

Think of society as a study hall full of school children and the law as the teacher. It's not a very good metaphor, because school children are waaaaaay more intelligent than most adults and far less likely to do something stupid enough to kill a body, but let's pretend. The teacher's there to facilitate freedom for the kids to do what they want within reason, keeping them on task and from harming one another or going crazy. 100% of them misbehave during the day. If the teacher grabbed every kid who done wrong and just tossed them in detention every time, there'd be no kids in any classes. So often kids have to be reprimanded without actually removing them from the classroom. If you take a borderline kid and reprimand them just so without harming them or their psyche, oftentimes they'll become more well behaved over time. If instead you throw the whole book at them, they'll rebel and become a poisonous pupil who never lets a class remain on task again. Just scale the process up.

If current American law were a teacher, this is what class would look like:

i.i.com.com

That's not a good way to create a better society.
 
2013-07-08 07:50:09 AM  
We should just have them sign purity pledges before they enter prison then wear promise rings. This will remind them of their commitment to remain pure and serve as a witness to others.
 
2013-07-08 07:51:17 AM  

kid_icarus: We should just have them sign purity pledges before they enter prison then wear promise rings. This will remind them of their commitment to remain pure and serve as a witness to others.


to remain pure.  as in what?  don't become a cop officer?
 
2013-07-08 07:52:47 AM  
When I go out a raping I always remember to have a condom with me.  And lube.  Carmex wasn't slippery enough.
 
2013-07-08 07:56:31 AM  
i can't get off with condoms.  and since everyone has an STD, i just don't have sex.  period.
 
2013-07-08 08:01:25 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Lady J: I can't imagine anyone is holdin off from rapin because they're HIV positive and they might pass it to someone else, so handing our condoms isnt going to make the problem of coerced sex any worse

Make prison's co-ed, and see how many women suddenly magically care about the issue of prison rape.


i'd love to know how you got that i dont care about prison rape from what i said.
 
2013-07-08 08:03:52 AM  

dbirchall: Eh, it's not a very creative solution.  I thought it would be something more along the lines of adding more security cameras and microphones to make it harder to avoid being seen - then connecting them all to a web server and charging the public for access.


Hmmm, you may have just found a way to keep all prisons well-funded and self-sustaining forever...

/Or, at least the women's prisons, anyway!
 
2013-07-08 08:05:50 AM  
www.arcade-museum.com
 
2013-07-08 08:12:01 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: alienated: Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough

Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10

if u can send me a video of someone getting violently raped, i'll believe it exists.  until then, STFU.


what?! are you for real?
 
2013-07-08 08:14:01 AM  

Lady J: Jon iz teh kewl: alienated: Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough

Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10

if u can send me a video of someone getting violently raped, i'll believe it exists.  until then, STFU.

what?! are you for real?


that's how i get off
 
2013-07-08 08:24:26 AM  

Lady J: Jon iz teh kewl: alienated: Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough

Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10

if u can send me a video of someone getting violently raped, i'll believe it exists.  until then, STFU.

what?! are you for real?


I've seen him almost utter a coherent thought a time or two, but today it is thinly veiled trolling all the way down.
 
2013-07-08 08:26:44 AM  

ph0rk: Lady J: Jon iz teh kewl: alienated: Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough

Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10

if u can send me a video of someone getting violently raped, i'll believe it exists.  until then, STFU.

what?! are you for real?

I've seen him almost utter a coherent thought a time or two, but today it is thinly veiled trolling all the way down.


but.. i like rape
 
2013-07-08 08:31:53 AM  

ph0rk: Lady J: Jon iz teh kewl: alienated: Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough

Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10

if u can send me a video of someone getting violently raped, i'll believe it exists.  until then, STFU.

what?! are you for real?

I've seen him almost utter a coherent thought a time or two, but today it is thinly veiled trolling all the way down.


aha. thank you. I was worried I was going a bit mad. big weekend
 
2013-07-08 08:41:54 AM  
Dear Prisoner,
We heard your concerns about getting HIV during prison rape.  Please take these lubed condoms in rainbow colors as a sign of our progressive California penal system..  We hope this makes it feel less rapey.   We will give you the same instructions we give K-8 grade girls in our progressive California sex education classes.  You should have received a banana with your condoms.
Your BFF, The Warden

P.S.  We know this action will result in the inability to collect DNA evidence after your rape.  Our new metric is "it isn't rape if they wore a condom."  Suck it up,  buttercup.
 
2013-07-08 08:43:21 AM  

doglover: Why is it a felony to have sex in prison? America arrests more people than any other country for the most bullshiat of reasons, then makes it an environment where real
hardcore felons can get aids and rape people who shouldn't even be in prison, spreading both disease and suffering everywhere.

farkin' horrific. What they should do is segregate prisoners with AIDS, Hep, etc into a quarantine ward first off, offer condoms secondly, and allow fraternization between male and female prisoners in for non-violent offenses of a minor nature.

Also, a shiat ton of money coukd be saved if we dialed back sentencing to 1900s things. 14 days' hard labor is better for everyone than multiple months to a year for a misdemeanor.


Oh I'm sorry, since when did sex become a right? Where are you batshiat insane "stop breaking the law asshole!" Liberals when it's time to point out prison isn't supposed to be a farkin resort.
 
2013-07-08 08:47:01 AM  
who the hell is having sex in jails?  Liberace?
 
2013-07-08 08:47:24 AM  

coco ebert: Why is consensual sex in prison a felony, or even illegal at all for that matter.


They have a curfew too.  The outrage!
 
2013-07-08 08:54:14 AM  

Fade2black: Where are you batshiat insane "stop breaking the law asshole!"


That only works if the law isn't broken.

As it is, prison is full of people, most of whom shouldn't be there. The bad ones should be dead and the medium ones shouldn't be in prison but rehabilitation programs.
 
2013-07-08 08:57:10 AM  
Condoms and dental dams (yes, dental dams) have been available to inmates in Ontario correctional facilities for about 20 years. They are given out by Registered Nurses upon asking. Look, inmates are going to have sex, like it or not. May as well make it as safe as possible. Ounce of prevention and all that.
 
2013-07-08 08:58:08 AM  

tbeatty: Our new metric is "it isn't rape if they wore a condom."


I am too lazy to find it on google, but I am pretty user I heard that as a reason why it wasn;t rape from prison officails in at least one case before.
 
2013-07-08 09:17:14 AM  

Foxxinnia: Look, if I can't make jokes about the horrific culture of rape in US penitentiaries and their contribution to the proliferation of STDs and mental illness in our nation then I don't know what it means to be an American anymore.


I like where your head's at. God bless you and the United States of 'Muricah!
 
2013-07-08 09:17:31 AM  

doglover: Fade2black: Where are you batshiat insane "stop breaking the law asshole!"

That only works if the law isn't broken.

As it is, prison is full of people, most of whom shouldn't be there. The bad ones should be dead and the medium ones shouldn't be in prison but rehabilitation programs.


Ah my bad, I wasn't aware you were a judge and knew that they were all not guilty. You'd fit right in if you ever had to go in. You'd be amazed, ask around. Everyone in there is a victim of the Popo's or framed.
 
2013-07-08 09:24:36 AM  

Fade2black: Ah my bad, I wasn't aware you were a judge and knew that they were all not guilty.


You're forgiven. This time. Next time, it's 14 days hard labor.
 
2013-07-08 09:26:05 AM  

doglover: Why is it a felony to have sex in prison? America arrests more people than any other country for the most bullshiat of reasons, then makes it an environment where real
hardcore felons can get aids and rape people who shouldn't even be in prison, spreading both disease and suffering everywhere.

farkin' horrific. What they should do is segregate prisoners with AIDS, Hep, etc into a quarantine ward first off, offer condoms secondly, and allow fraternization between male and female prisoners in for non-violent offenses of a minor nature.

Also, a shiat ton of money coukd be saved if we dialed back sentencing to 1900s things. 14 days' hard labor is better for everyone than multiple months to a year for a misdemeanor.


I'd say it depends on whether or not both participants are willing. My guess is, in most scenarios, they're not.

Agree on the hard labor thing. There's a lot of shiat that could be done by prisoners for cheap that's neither dangerous nor humiliating. Trash collection, painting lines on roads, weed pulling in medians... the list goes on.
 
2013-07-08 09:28:05 AM  

Lady J: ph0rk: Lady J: Jon iz teh kewl: alienated: Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough

Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10

if u can send me a video of someone getting violently raped, i'll believe it exists.  until then, STFU.

what?! are you for real?

I've seen him almost utter a coherent thought a time or two, but today it is thinly veiled trolling all the way down.

aha. thank you. I was worried I was going a bit mad. big weekend



No, it's just the village idiot.  I'm sorry you had to see that.  Don't look directly at it, next time.
 
2013-07-08 09:35:39 AM  
If we take the stereotypical sexually aggressive inmate, we find a violent, dominant man with poor impulse control and a high sex drive. The likelihood of him deciding to wear a condom during his encounters is low, whether the encounter consensual, coerced, or violent.

Everything about this is ridiculous. Condoms are a silly idea. Having a special law making sex among inmates is silly. If an inmate rapes another inmate, charge him with rape.

Have prison rules against sex, consensual or otherwise. Adjust policy to limit opportunities to engage in sex, and punish violators with in-house corrective action - loss of privileges, loss of 'good behavior' time towards parole, physical isolation and no questions asked isolation of known sexual predators.

And it's silly that we lock so many people up that STDs in the prison population poses a legitimate risk to public health at-large.
 
2013-07-08 09:57:09 AM  

lizyrd: If we take the stereotypical sexually aggressive inmate, we find a violent, dominant man with poor impulse control and a high sex drive. The likelihood of him deciding to wear a condom during his encounters is low, whether the encounter consensual, coerced, or violent.

Everything about this is ridiculous. Condoms are a silly idea. Having a special law making sex among inmates is silly. If an inmate rapes another inmate, charge him with rape.

Have prison rules against sex, consensual or otherwise. Adjust policy to limit opportunities to engage in sex, and punish violators with in-house corrective action - loss of privileges, loss of 'good behavior' time towards parole, physical isolation and no questions asked isolation of known sexual predators.

And it's silly that we lock so many people up that STDs in the prison population poses a legitimate risk to public health at-large.


why not just give him seroquel?  i'm talking from a serious perspective??  they gave it to me and i'm not even remotely violent.
 
2013-07-08 10:01:33 AM  

Rik01: "It's a felony for prisoners to have sex while they're in prison, so I don't think it's good government for the state to encourage inmates to break the law," said Republican Assemblyman Dan Logue of Marysville.


I love the bureaucratic mind, don't you? Better to follow the letter of the law and risk increased spread of HIV both in and out of the prison than to modify it any. These are the same minds which came up with the poorly designed sexual offender laws and never went back to correct them, even after they threw kids as young as 6 out of school as sex offenders.

You could feed them all antidepressants. The Drug companies claim that only about 1 to 5% of users suffer sexual dysfunction. Therapists and patients know that it's actually 90%.

They used to put salt-peter in the food (potassium nitrate) to knock down the sexual urges of the prisoners. I don't know how well that worked or when they stopped it.

Of course, they could stop throwing everyone in jail for pi$$ arse little charges, like having a few pot seeds on them or a roach in the ashtray of their car or any number of minor crimes that the government, in the last 30 years, had made into felonies. (If you have a cable TV connection not connected and find you can 'connect' it by poking the wire loosely in the socket attached to your home, that is a felony. You're stealing cable. The cable companies pushed to get it made from a misdemeanor to a felony and the well paid off congressmen obliged.)

The way to prevent it? Cut the cable at the pole. Don't just unscrew the wire at the house and cut the end off.

Since we have more prisoners in the USA than nearly any other nation in the world, you'd think someone might have the brains to stop arresting everyone for nearly everything.

I think Russia is the only nation that has more. They don't spend billions on prisons either. Not too many isolation cells there and prisoners mainly work to support the prisons. Plus, the guards are armed, often accompanied by attack dogs and think nothing of bashing mouthy prisoners around.

In the US, guards have to be careful not to offend gangs who mainly run prisons. Being unarmed but for mace, a guard can be killed or maimed easily.

That's why Russian mobsters are showing up in the US. When arrested, going to prison for them is like going on a luxury vacation here.

Decrease the massive over crowding in the prisons, release non-violent offenders and/or put them on parole, stop arresting every stoner who reeks of pot and the incidents of sex in jail will decrease dramatically. Inmate violence will decrease dramatically also when they're not packed like sardines in cells.

The crowding in some prisons is so bad that some inmates act out just to get thrown into solitary for a little peace.


Zoloft killed my sex drive completely when I was on it for post partum depression. Made it impossible to orgasm too.

But it also made me feel like a zombie incapable of feeling either happy or sad.

They switched me to Wellbutrin for the rest of my time on it, and that didn't have an effect on my libido.

If this was an outbreak of SARS or Mrsa or something else, they would be taking steps to stop it. Besides, how many innocent wives and girlfriends are they going to infect when they are released? There are a lot of men who only have gay sex while in prison and would never consider themselves gay. True this wouldn't stop a prison rapist, but someone that dangerous to others should not be in general population anyway.
 
2013-07-08 10:05:50 AM  
Quite apparently, if it's ghey rape, it's not "rape-rape" or "legitimate rape", and the incarcerated male body has ways of shutting that down.
 
2013-07-08 10:13:11 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Lady J: I can't imagine anyone is holdin off from rapin because they're HIV positive and they might pass it to someone else, so handing our condoms isnt going to make the problem of coerced sex any worse

Make prison's co-ed, and see how many women suddenly magically care about the issue of prison rape.


I'm a woman and it concerns me already. Rape is rape, though I have found that when explaining man on woman rape to a guy, the only way to elicit the level of revulsion a woman feels about that is to ask them how they personally would feel if raped by another man. That usually gets a horrified response out if them.

Now imagine if as a man, you had a one in four chance of being raped by another man in your lifetime.

That's the reality women live with in the US every day.

For males it's actually a 1in 6 chance of being raped/molested by a man, but typically that is under reported and not the sort of thing your buddies will share with you.

Oprah did a show towards the end of her run where the audience was made up of about 200 men holding a photo of themselves at the age they were raped/molested. It was the most heartbreaking show of hers I had ever seen and men even now in their 50's were still having this act affect their lives and relationships.

They got sentenced to jail, not sentenced to getting HIV. The men with HIV should be jailed in a high risk area because they are not only a threat to the other inmates, but to the guards.
 
2013-07-08 10:17:07 AM  
putting your dick in another guys asshole seems like a lot of extra work, when all u really have to do is think of your wife and masturbate
 
2013-07-08 10:19:52 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Rik01: They used to put salt-peter in the food (potassium nitrate) to knock down the sexual urges of the prisoners. I don't know how well that worked or when they stopped it.

Whatever else you said that may or may not be true, this certainly isn't. It's an often-told urban legend that has never been demonstrated to be true anywhere.


Lots of the guys at ITB on Fort Benning in the early 2000s believed they put salt-peter in our food.  Because certainly our sex drives could not possibly have been diminished by the constant physical and mental exhaustion, sleep deprivation, extremely stressful environment, PT, and complete lack of any sexual stimulus whatsoever.  Couldn't possibly have been that. Urban legends die hard.
 
2013-07-08 10:34:18 AM  
ocd002:
Now imagine if as a man, you had a one in four chance of being raped by another man in your lifetime.

That's the reality women live with in the US every day.


I believe the 1/4 statistic covers a broader list of sexual assault and harrassment, not just rape as defined by law.  Though obviously, ideally 0/4 people should be victims of any kind of sexual assault.

ocd002:
They got sentenced to jail, not sentenced to getting HIV.

This is a point that can't be stated enough... and its true for any crime, not just the minor non-violent offenders we tend to see as victims of the prison system.
 
2013-07-08 10:53:51 AM  
If your cellmate "Tiny", a tattooed, shaven-headed 350lb behemoth, decides the moonlight has put him in a romantic mood, it would be a thoughtful gesture if he were to put on a condom. An unlikely gesture, for sure, but having the option is better than not having the option.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-08 11:16:57 AM  
So, back in the day, a cowboy rides into town.
He asks at the bar if female companionship is available.
Bartender says "No women in these here parts. But, we do have Chinaman Charlie."
Cowboy thinks about it. "I'm not really that kinds guy. How many people would have to know?"
"Well, there's you and Chinaman Charlie of course. Then there's me and the two guys to hold Chinaman Charlie down, 'cause he's not that kinda guy either."
 
2013-07-08 11:19:02 AM  
OBTW, Republican Assemblyman Dan Logue of Marysville is an idiot and a douch.

/what other uses for condoms would prisoners have?
 
2013-07-08 11:23:19 AM  
"It's a felony for prisoners to have sex while they're in prison, so I don't think it's good government for the state to encourage inmates to break the law," said Republican Assemblyman Dan Logue of Marysville.

If that makes sense, then just lock them up.

Problem solved.
 
2013-07-08 11:32:44 AM  
"It's a felony for prisoners to have sex while they're in prison,

Yet we'll turn a blind eye, and up the volume on our TVs in the guard shack
Its too much of a hassle to stop a violent sexual assult
 
2013-07-08 11:37:33 AM  

wambu: I don't think it's good government for the state to encourage


Well, that's quite a pickle you've gotten yourself into. You have created wards of the State, so everything about their lives in under your control. That means that them not having condoms is your problem (just like all their other problems). If you look at all your actions as encouragement/discouragement, like some kind of parent figure or God-type person, then you're going to have weird moral problems like this. If you see your actions as a remedy to the problem they are intended to solve, like reducing the spread of HIV/AIDS, you'll have a lot fewer moral quandaries. Everything gets more straight-forward.

I know which job I'd rather have, but I'm not an ego-maniac exploiting society's weakest members.
 
2013-07-08 11:56:35 AM  

doglover: Why is it a felony to have sex in prison? America arrests more people than any other country for the most bullshiat of reasons, then makes it an environment where real
hardcore felons can get aids and rape people who shouldn't even be in prison, spreading both disease and suffering everywhere.

farkin' horrific. What they should do is segregate prisoners with AIDS, Hep, etc into a quarantine ward first off, offer condoms secondly, and allow fraternization between male and female prisoners in for non-violent offenses of a minor nature.

Also, a shiat ton of money coukd be saved if we dialed back sentencing to 1900s things. 14 days' hard labor is better for everyone than multiple months to a year for a misdemeanor.


I agree.  Instead of herding people into jails for minor offenses, impose a fine.  Can't pay the fine?  Work it off for X number of days of hard labor, community service, etc. depending on the crime.  And God forbid we actually try to reform our prison population and help them find employment when they get out.  Better to let them go jobless and hungry so they commit more crimes.
 
2013-07-08 12:05:47 PM  
Ironic ad placement?

I really chucked at the banana getting a HJ pic I got in the side bar...


pagead2.googlesyndication.com
 
2013-07-08 12:15:43 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped


Well...the victim's tears are the lubricant. The state aint got time for those expensive lubricated condoms.
 
2013-07-08 12:55:34 PM  

Lady J: Jon iz teh kewl: alienated: Jon iz teh kewl: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: dig420: So basically if it's men being beaten and raped, we just hand the attacker a condom.  God bless Amurica.

I guess it's to collect the victim's tears while he's being raped

lets stop pretending that rape is real.  don't u think women have suffered enough

Low grade even from you, but feel free to keep digging.
.005/10

if u can send me a video of someone getting violently raped, i'll believe it exists.  until then, STFU.

what?! are you for real?


This sounds like an awesome way to get a bunch of people to send you violent rape videos for an underground rape video collection, actually.
 
2013-07-08 01:21:47 PM  

Fade2black: Oh I'm sorry, since when did sex become a right?


Nobody said it was a right, just that making it illegal had consequences. Ultimately, the spread of HIV/AIDs. You don't want to have an AIDS-ridden prison population. AIDS is permanent, prison is not. It's also a sign that you don't have any control over your inmates, a sign you can't just make disappear, because AIDS patients have to be tracked by law. If I were in charge of this, I would be trying to make it go away as quietly as possible, not grandstanding on it.
 
2013-07-08 01:44:26 PM  

Rik01: Of course, they could stop throwing everyone in jail for pi$$ arse little charges, like having a few pot seeds on them or a roach in the ashtray of their car or any number of minor crimes that the government, in the last 30 years, had made into felonies.


I was 8 years old when i figured out the entire war on drugs was bullshiat. During one of the first DARE lessons, the sheriff told us how she put a kid in jail just a few years older than us because he borrowed his older brothers coat and there were some marijuana seeds in the pocket. Little 8 year old me, who didnt know anything about drugs, had never been around anything besides alcohol... I was incredulous, and i was pissed at the sheriff, i asked her flat out, why would you ruin a kids life over that? Do you want to put us in jail? Why are seeds illegal? Ive got seeds stuck in my shoe treads, what if one of these is a marijuana seed, are you going to arrest me? Other kids started checking their shoes, some started crying because they didnt want to go to jail... Between that and another incident i wound up not having to take DARE.
 
2013-07-08 01:49:49 PM  

Rik01: They used to put salt-peter in the food (potassium nitrate) to knock down the sexual urges of the prisoners. I don't know how well that worked or when they stopped it.


When it became against the law to give inmates any medicines or substances with medicinal qualities against their will or consent for non-medical use. That is, unless the inmate is complaining of a headache, you don't give them tylenol. Food additives for the purpose of controlling body or brain chemistry are forbidden as well, unless they are prescribed medicines. This makes sure we don't end up with any Mengele wannabes in our state prisons.
 
2013-07-08 02:00:22 PM  

AndreMA: snocone: /what other uses for condoms would prisoners have?

Braid them together into an effective device with which to strangle a guard?


THIS. Folks on the outside have no idea. My brother has been an officer (not a "guard") for almost 24 years, and he has seen the most amazing weapons made from things no one would think could be made into weapons. Tightly rolled up typing paper soaked in water and toothpaste or other adhesive makes stabbing weapons. A ballpoint pen and rubber bands make darts. Anything can be a weapon for people with time on their hands, life sentences, and nothing to lose.

Remember also that for some inmate populations, injuring or killing staff is a badge of honor. Any staff, from the warden to the prison doctor to the clerk in the office to anyone wearing a uniform, at any time. This is also why I do not begrudge them their job, or their pay. They can have that sh*t.
 
2013-07-08 02:14:39 PM  
ts3.mm.bing.net
This will fix it.
 
2013-07-08 05:27:52 PM  

Cyno01: Rik01: Of course, they could stop throwing everyone in jail for pi$$ arse little charges, like having a few pot seeds on them or a roach in the ashtray of their car or any number of minor crimes that the government, in the last 30 years, had made into felonies.

I was 8 years old when i figured out the entire war on drugs was bullshiat. During one of the first DARE lessons, the sheriff told us how she put a kid in jail just a few years older than us because he borrowed his older brothers coat and there were some marijuana seeds in the pocket. Little 8 year old me, who didnt know anything about drugs, had never been around anything besides alcohol... I was incredulous, and i was pissed at the sheriff, i asked her flat out, why would you ruin a kids life over that? Do you want to put us in jail? Why are seeds illegal? Ive got seeds stuck in my shoe treads, what if one of these is a marijuana seed, are you going to arrest me? Other kids started checking their shoes, some started crying because they didnt want to go to jail... Between that and another incident i wound up not having to take DARE.

You. I like you.

/Wished I could have gotten out of shiatty D.A.R.E. classes.

 
2013-07-08 09:04:53 PM  

rewind2846: AndreMA: snocone: /what other uses for condoms would prisoners have?

Braid them together into an effective device with which to strangle a guard?

THIS. Folks on the outside have no idea. My brother has been an officer (not a "guard") for almost 24 years, and he has seen the most amazing weapons made from things no one would think could be made into weapons. Tightly rolled up typing paper soaked in water and toothpaste or other adhesive makes stabbing weapons. A ballpoint pen and rubber bands make darts. Anything can be a weapon for people with time on their hands, life sentences, and nothing to lose.

Remember also that for some inmate populations, injuring or killing staff is a badge of honor. Any staff, from the warden to the prison doctor to the clerk in the office to anyone wearing a uniform, at any time. This is also why I do not begrudge them their job, or their pay. They can have that sh*t.


Waaah, waaah.  Maybe they should find another job if they can't deal with the pressure.  Everyone's job sucks.
 
2013-07-09 04:46:12 PM  

keylock71: Do you know the way to Mordor: And now the prisoners will have a reservoir of sexual emissions to flick at the guards. How nice.

///eeewwww

My father was a C.O. at our Maximum Security Prison here in MA (It was called Walpole State Prison back then, now it's call ACI Plymouth). When inmates would through disgusting things at the guards (everything from shiat and piss to vomit and semen), the offender was immediately placed into isolation and charges were filed. That was the official policy... The unofficial policy was to blast Country and Western Music into the cell block all day as collective punishment.

'Course, that's the cleaned up version coming from my dad... I can only imagine what happened to the offending inmate when/if there was no one looking.


Another good one was in Silence of the Lambs when a TV tuned to the Evangelical Christian Channel was set up outside Hannibal Lecter's cell all day.
 
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