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2013-07-07 06:26:18 PM
Goyer: I wanna write it!
 
2013-07-07 06:34:46 PM
I would love to see the DC Universe become as cohesive as the Marvel Universe,"

Me and all. Cool beanz are cool.

[shutupandtakemymoney]
 
2013-07-07 06:53:25 PM

quatchi: I would love to see the DC Universe become as cohesive as the Marvel Universe,"

Me and all. Cool beanz are cool.

[shutupandtakemymoney]


Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen. Marvel beat them to the punch on a cohesive movie universe.

DC NAILED their animated features for cohesive structure, as well as great stories--which is just about the opposite of how Marvel dealt with their animated features. The Batman series was the groundwork for DC's animated features, and it went on even through the Justice League and even Batman Beyond. Marvel's Knights and eventual Ultimates sort of cohered things a bit, with odd Spiderman series and a brazillion X-Men series, and a craptastic Fantastic Four bit, and it was a mess. DC OWNED their sh*t when it came to cartoons and animated features, and then let their films just sort of spin out randomly. Marvel finally got it together and then came out with a plan for their film releases.

Don't get me wrong. del Toro is the man. I love his work, and I love his passion, and if anyone can make a decent Justice League movie, it's him. He likes comics. He gets comics. He is a mad genius, albeit tubby and genial, and I see pretty damn whatever he puts out. Like Jackson, because I've loved his stuff since Bad Taste and Meet the Feebles. I hope that DC can get their franchise in order, because I want a good Wonder Woman movie. I want a good JLA movie. I want good stuff for characters and lines that I love.

I want DC to do better, because Marvel needs competition. And that might mean a Black Panther movie, dammit, and we NEED a good Black Panther movie. And a frippin' Daredevil film that hasn't a hint of Affleck. We need a good Matt Murdoch, maybe even with a crossover Wolverine story, because I want to see Stick kicking Matt's ass. I want an Elektra movie that has NO flavor of the month actress, but someone who can actually bring across Matt's lost love. Daredevil, with the current direction that Marvel is taking with their movies, I can see not being put into the hands of someone who has only a passing fancy with the comics, as opposed to the guy who did Grumpier Old Men and Jack *f*cking Frost.
 
2013-07-07 07:12:57 PM
"I'm rewriting the outline.

"Can't they just use a photocopier?"
 
2013-07-07 07:26:10 PM

hubiestubert: I want DC to do better, because Marvel needs competition. And that might mean a Black Panther movie, dammit, and we NEED a good Black Panther movie. And a frippin' Daredevil film that hasn't a hint of Affleck. We need a good Matt Murdoch, maybe even with a crossover Wolverine story, because I want to see Stick kicking Matt's ass. I want an Elektra movie that has NO flavor of the month actress, but someone who can actually bring across Matt's lost love. Daredevil, with the current direction that Marvel is taking with their movies, I can see not being put into the hands of someone who has only a passing fancy with the comics, as opposed to the guy who did Grumpier Old Men and Jack *f*cking Frost.


I agree that DC owned in animation, that's a given. Also that Marvel came late to movie party and screwed the pooch for the most part. I also would love to see them to redo DD and Elecktra as comic book movies made by people who get comics culture rather than flavor of the week star vehicles. A proper BP movie would be awesome. That noted, I wouldn't count DC out yet. This race aint a speed test it's more of an long distance endurance thingy.

/Oh, and while I'm thinking about comic movie related things would it kill Marvel to make one Power Man/Iron First featur?.
//I can't be the only person who likes those guys.
//Seriously, their two awesome origin stories in one movie would kick ass.
 
2013-07-07 07:34:28 PM

quatchi: Also that Marvel came late to movie party and screwed the pooch for the most part.


What? The Avengers and their spin off movies were and are huge.All DC realistically has are Batman and Superman. They're going to have to reboot Batman and Man of Steel underperformed.
 
2013-07-07 07:57:32 PM

quatchi: I agree that DC owned in animation, that's a given. Also that Marvel came late to movie party and screwed the pooch for the most part. I also would love to see them to redo DD and Elecktra as comic book movies made by people who get comics culture rather than flavor of the week star vehicles. A proper BP movie would be awesome. That noted, I wouldn't count DC out yet. This race aint a speed test it's more of an long distance endurance thingy.

/Oh, and while I'm thinking about comic movie related things would it kill Marvel to make one Power Man/Iron First featur?.
//I can't be the only person who likes those guys.
//Seriously, their two awesome origin stories in one movie would kick ass.


Power Man and Iron Fist would be a fun feature. Same with Dr Strange, which could lead to a introducing Man Thing. There's a LOT of territory, and Marvel is really doing it right with tying films together--though, they might want to stay away from the Blade and Punisher franchises as some folks might not want those mixing.

DC has a lot of great territory. A decent Hellblazer movie would be a start, and simply forget that Constantine ever happened. Death, would be a way to get into the more esoteric and mystical side of DC's universe as well, and keep the Vertigo lines away from the superhero stuff, but with The Endless, there's a LOT of room to work with. There's still The Question, Sandman, Deadman, The Blue Beetle, Dr Fate, maybe keep the heck away from The Spectre, because while he's a compelling force to fiddle with, I can't see a whole movie with The Spirit of Vengence going apesh*t all over the DC Universe going over well with the film fans. Yes, in the comics, it has been a blast as the character has grown in power and stature, but film nerds will not sit through their favorite heroes just being trounced, again and again, and eventually having to invoke the more esoteric DC powers. The Teen Titans are maybe a bit dated now, but Birds of Prey has some promise for the fanboi dollars.
 
2013-07-07 07:59:23 PM

Mugato: quatchi: Also that Marvel came late to movie party and screwed the pooch for the most part.

What? The Avengers and their spin off movies were and are huge.All DC realistically has are Batman and Superman. They're going to have to reboot Batman and Man of Steel underperformed.


I think he was talking about the animation side of the coin. Marvel only got their sh*t together when they finally decided that The Ultimates and Knights universes were the ones they'd focus on.
 
2013-07-07 08:17:14 PM

hubiestubert: A decent Hellblazer movie would be a start, and simply forget that Constantine ever happened.


From your keyboard to the Flying Spagetti Monster's ears.

May this be so.

Mugato: quatchi: Also that Marvel came late to movie party and screwed the pooch for the most part.

What? The Avengers and their spin off movies were and are huge.All DC realistically has are Batman and Superman. They're going to have to reboot Batman and Man of Steel underperformed.

*facepalm*


I meant DC.

DC came late to the party.

/Writing is easy.
//Editing and revising. Now, that's a biatch.
///Devil's in the details, God's is there too. S'tricky.
 
2013-07-07 08:26:16 PM

quatchi: /Writing is easy.
//Editing and revising. Now, that's a biatch.
///Devil's in the details, God's is there too. S'tricky.


Well when comic book movies are concerned, the characters are important, IMO. DC has Batman and Superman, I actually liked Constantine. Marvel has the Avengers, The X-Men, Spider-Man, Blade and the Punisher. A couple of those properties are spread out over between Marvel and Sony though.
 
2013-07-07 08:43:55 PM

Mugato: quatchi: /Writing is easy.
//Editing and revising. Now, that's a biatch.
///Devil's in the details, God's is there too. S'tricky.

Well when comic book movies are concerned, the characters are important, IMO. DC has Batman and Superman, I actually liked Constantine. Marvel has the Avengers, The X-Men, Spider-Man, Blade and the Punisher. A couple of those properties are spread out over between Marvel and Sony though.


I liked pretty much everything about Constantine, except Keanu mucking it up. I mean, the character's signature look was supposed to be based on Sting. Sting. And f*cking English. It just made Constantine into a exorcist at that. Tilda Swinton was great. Rachael Weisz was fun. Cripes, even Shia LaBeouf was passable, but the film NEEDED an English star, and a hoary, mean bastiche at that, which Keanu has never been able to pull off. And if your Constantine sucks, in an adaptation of a Hellblazer movie, you're boned. It was about on par with Ben Affleck as Matt Murdoch. How many actors from New York? How many action stars could have done the thing? Nope. They got the guy from Mallrats--not a bad movie, but come on...
 
2013-07-07 08:50:30 PM
They either need to clone Kevin Feige or anoint Bruce Timm God King Emperor. Until then, it won't happen. And to be honest, I don't know how Bruce Timm would handle live action directors and casting. He'd probably do alright, but as long as Nolan's around, Bruce isn't going to get that chance.
 
2013-07-07 08:53:53 PM
I liked pretty much everything about Constantine,except Keanu mucking it up. I mean, the character's signature look was supposed to be based on Sting.Sting. And f*cking English

I just couldn't suspend my disbelief over that casting choice. It's wrongness overshadowed everything.

It ruined my enjoyment of the other better performances by Tilda Swinton, Racheal Weisz and Peter Stormare (will also give a grudging passable nod to Mr. Le Beef contribution).  And yes, Affleck-esque was KR's performance.
 
2013-07-07 08:54:18 PM
I liked it.
 
2013-07-07 08:56:38 PM
That first paragraph in my last post was supposed to be in italics and prefaced with Hubiestubert:

*goes to the virtual chalkboard to write "Preview is my friend" 1000 times and then go bang out of the virtual erasers*
 
2013-07-07 09:02:01 PM
wouldn't the correct usage be Guillermos del Toro, rather than Guillermo del Toros?

/didn't know there was more than one...
 
2013-07-07 09:12:16 PM
Here's hoping he does a better job than the Hellboy movies. They should have been amazing.

Given the level of writing and attention to detail Mignola treats readers to, the movies (except for parts of the second one) were a joke.
 
2013-07-07 09:23:07 PM

TheMadDefenestrator: wouldn't the correct usage be Guillermos del Toro, rather than Guillermo del Toros?

/didn't know there was more than one...


Del Toros is his non-union equivalent.  He studied under Señor Spielbergo.
 
2013-07-07 09:23:42 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Here's hoping he does a better job than the Hellboy movies. They should have been amazing.

Given the level of writing and attention to detail Mignola treats readers to, the movies (except for parts of the second one) were a joke.


This. And with the second movie, whoever edited that should be shot. I felt as if I was rushed through Disney World by my prick Aunt who wanted to get home to watch TV.
 
2013-07-07 09:28:50 PM
Guillermo del Toros says his Justice League Dark film will "fit in" to the Man of Steel universe, but will feature more interesting and developed characters

Oxymoron.
 
2013-07-07 09:36:39 PM
They should adopt the Preacher comics into an HBO series.
 
2013-07-07 09:40:18 PM
No. Do At the Mountains of Madness, you chubby jerk.
 
2013-07-07 09:53:05 PM
Will never happen. They're making a sequel to green lantern. The green lantern movie does not fit into the man of steel universe. If they wanted to reboot green lantern I'd be all for that but they said they're making a sequel. The justice league film can't fit both characters as they currently are.
 
2013-07-07 09:58:52 PM

Cheater71: The justice league film can't fit both characters as they currently are.


If that's true then there are studio suits that have the idea that comic book movies have to be gritty and realistic. That works with Batman. Maybe the Punisher. Not with much of anything else.
 
2013-07-07 10:10:26 PM
Well, hubiestubert has pretty much said everything that needs to be said about John Constantine, so my work here is already done.


sat1va: They should adopt the Preacher comics into an HBO series.


This X 1099
 
2013-07-07 10:12:58 PM
I don't know what it is, but DC can't seem to create a proper live-action villain for Superman. This new Zod was probably the best we've had, but (spoilers) he still went from "saving my own people at all costs" to "petty act of genocide" at the flip of a switch.  There were even two ways they could have explained it... 1 - the way he cobbled together his starship wasn't holding together, and no matter what, they could never go anywhere after Earth. So he didn't really want to destroy Earth - but was willing to sacrifice it to restore Krypton. 2 - he and his crew simply went mad in the Phantom Zone. Instead, we ended up with a villian-for-the-sake-of-a-villian yet again.

hubiestubert: Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen. Marvel beat them to the punch on a cohesive movie universe.

DC NAILED their animated features for cohesive structure, as well as great stories--which is just about the opposite of how Marvel dealt with their animated features. The Batman series was the groundwork for DC's animated features, and it went on even through the Justice League and even Batman Beyond. Marvel's Knights and eventual Ultimates sort of cohered things a bit, with odd Spiderman series and a brazillion X-Men series, and a craptastic Fantastic Four bit, and it was a mess. DC OWNED their sh*t when it came to cartoons and animated features, and then let their films just sort of spin out randomly. Marvel finally got it together and then came out with a plan for their film releases.


Timm's animated series were all rock solid - exactly the framework that the film universe needs. But as far as I know, the (otherwise fantastic) animated features don't even coexist with each other, let alone with the proper Timmverse. Still love the animated films though - the first one, Doomsday, created a more plausible and frightening Lex Luthor than four live-action films were able to give us.

DC would be foolish to abandon the Nolan Batman films though, if they want to establish continuity. They would be better off with John Blake under the cowl in a Justice League film than trying to reboot Batman yet again. The Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern flick could be dumped though, in favor of adding a John Stewart Lantern to the 'verse.

A good way to kick off the Justice League universe might be for the next movie (Flash or Wonder Woman?) to somehow be tied to the devastating events that have occurred in Gotham, Metropolis, and in the South Indian Ocean over the last few years. Superman isn't going to be terribly popular given all the collateral damage he caused fighting Zod... it might be good to stick with that, and let Wonder Woman emerge as the hero that the world rallies behind.
 
2013-07-07 10:14:17 PM
If this thing has a greenlight it pretty much means DC isn't interested in a JLA movie. Or they're bigger idiots than previously thought, letting the brand get diluted like this and possibly sowing confusion with the name.

Bonanza Jellybean: No. Do At the Mountains of Madness, you chubby jerk.


Makes a hell of a lot more sense than doing a film about characters that had their hey-day 40 years ago when Wolfman models and Stanley Mouse monster hot rods were all the rage.
 
2013-07-07 10:17:25 PM
Toros?

Really?
 
2013-07-07 10:17:56 PM

hubiestubert: quatchi: I agree that DC owned in animation, that's a given. Also that Marvel came late to movie party and screwed the pooch for the most part. I also would love to see them to redo DD and Elecktra as comic book movies made by people who get comics culture rather than flavor of the week star vehicles. A proper BP movie would be awesome. That noted, I wouldn't count DC out yet. This race aint a speed test it's more of an long distance endurance thingy.

/Oh, and while I'm thinking about comic movie related things would it kill Marvel to make one Power Man/Iron First featur?.
//I can't be the only person who likes those guys.
//Seriously, their two awesome origin stories in one movie would kick ass.

Power Man and Iron Fist would be a fun feature. Same with Dr Strange, which could lead to a introducing Man Thing. There's a LOT of territory, and Marvel is really doing it right with tying films together--though, they might want to stay away from the Blade and Punisher franchises as some folks might not want those mixing.

DC has a lot of great territory. A decent Hellblazer movie would be a start, and simply forget that Constantine ever happened. Death, would be a way to get into the more esoteric and mystical side of DC's universe as well, and keep the Vertigo lines away from the superhero stuff, but with The Endless, there's a LOT of room to work with. There's still The Question, Sandman, Deadman, The Blue Beetle, Dr Fate, maybe keep the heck away from The Spectre, because while he's a compelling force to fiddle with, I can't see a whole movie with The Spirit of Vengence going apesh*t all over the DC Universe going over well with the film fans. Yes, in the comics, it has been a blast as the character has grown in power and stature, but film nerds will not sit through their favorite heroes just being trounced, again and again, and eventually having to invoke the more esoteric DC powers. The Teen Titans are maybe a bit dated now, but Birds of Prey has some promise for t ...


YES! YES! YES! YES! I'd kill for a decent Hellblazer movie that did right by the franchise!

Also DC....get Scalped, DMZ or Y:The Last Man on a network like Showtime or FX and go balls-out. Don't pussy out on the content and you'll have a hit on your hands. The Walking Dead proved that you can license comic properties for TV and not have to turn them into animated kids shows.
 
2013-07-07 10:19:56 PM

clkeagle: I don't know what it is, but DC can't seem to create a proper live-action villain for Superman. This new Zod was probably the best we've had, but (spoilers) he still went from "saving my own people at all costs" to "petty act of genocide" at the flip of a switch.  There were even two ways they could have explained it... 1 - the way he cobbled together his starship wasn't holding together, and no matter what, they could never go anywhere after Earth. So he didn't really want to destroy Earth - but was willing to sacrifice it to restore Krypton. 2 - he and his crew simply went mad in the Phantom Zone. Instead, we ended up with a villian-for-the-sake-of-a-villian yet again.

hubiestubert: Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen. Marvel beat them to the punch on a cohesive movie universe.

DC NAILED their animated features for cohesive structure, as well as great stories--which is just about the opposite of how Marvel dealt with their animated features. The Batman series was the groundwork for DC's animated features, and it went on even through the Justice League and even Batman Beyond. Marvel's Knights and eventual Ultimates sort of cohered things a bit, with odd Spiderman series and a brazillion X-Men series, and a craptastic Fantastic Four bit, and it was a mess. DC OWNED their sh*t when it came to cartoons and animated features, and then let their films just sort of spin out randomly. Marvel finally got it together and then came out with a plan for their film releases.

Timm's animated series were all rock solid - exactly the framework that the film universe needs. But as far as I know, the (otherwise fantastic) animated features don't even coexist with each other, let alone with the proper Timmverse. Still love the animated films though - the first one, Doomsday, created a more plausible and frightening Lex Luthor than four live-action films were able to give us.

DC would be foolish to abandon the Nolan Batman films though, if they want to establish continuity. They would be better off with John Blake under the cowl in a Justice League film than trying to reboot Batman yet again. The Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern flick could be dumped though, in favor of adding a John Stewart Lantern to the 'verse.

A good way to kick off the Justice League universe might be for the next movie (Flash or Wonder Woman?) to somehow be tied to the devastating events that have occurred in Gotham, Metropolis, and in the South Indian Ocean over the last few years. Superman isn't going to be terribly popular given all the collateral damage he caused fighting Zod... it might be good to stick with that, and let Wonder Woman emerge as the hero that the world rallies behind.


I'm okay with this.jpg

If they could crossover with Marvel, the Princess Diana Tony Stark dynamic would be awesome...

/since we're dreaming anyway
//movie will be made for the lowest common denominator regardless
 
2013-07-07 10:22:50 PM

sat1va: They should adopt the Preacher comics into an HBO series.


That would be awesome, but I doubt even HBO wants the amount of hate mail (and probably actual farking death threats) that Preacher would generate.
 
2013-07-07 10:27:08 PM

Cheater71: Will never happen. They're making a sequel to green lantern.


I think this is highly unlikely.
 
2013-07-07 10:42:32 PM
A Justice League Dark movie?

So, will Zatanna get her "nu52" costume, or get to keep her old one?

/ I'll vote for the old one...
 
2013-07-07 10:43:56 PM

PiffMan420: sat1va: They should adopt the Preacher comics into an HBO series.

That would be awesome, but I doubt even HBO wants the amount of hate mail (and probably actual farking death threats) that Preacher would generate.


About that prospect:

cited/sourced from www.comicbookmovie.com:


Preacher is a comic book series created by writer Garth Ennis and artist Steve Dillon, published by Vertigo (an imprint of DC Comics), with painted covers by Glenn Fabry. Preacher tells the story of Jesse Custer, a down-and-out preacher in a small Texas town who is accidentally possessed by the supernatural creature named Genesis in an incident which killed his entire congregation and flattened his church. Garth Ennis, feeling Preacher would translate perfectly as a film, sold the film rights to Electric Entertainment. Rachel Talalay was hired to direct, with Ennis writing the script. Rupert Harvey and Tom Astor were set as producers. By May 1998, Ennis completed three drafts of the script, based largely on the Gone to Texas story arc. The filmmakers found it difficult financing Preacher because investors found the idea religiously controversial. Ennis approached Kevin Smith and Scott Mosier to help finance the film under their View Askew Productions banner. Ennis, Smith and Mosier pitched Preacher to Bob Weinstein at Miramax Films. Weinstein was confused by the characterization of Jesse Custer. Miramax also did not want to share the box office gross with Electric Entertainment, ultimately dropping the pitch. By May 2000, Smith and Mosier were still attached to produce with Talalay directing, but Smith did not know the status of Preacher, feeling it would languish in development hell. By then, Storm Entertainment, a UK-based production company known for their work on independent films, joined the production with Electric Entertainment. In September 2001, the two companies announced Preacher had been greenlighted to commence pre-production, with filming to begin in November and Talaly still directing Ennis' script. The production and start dates were pushed back because of financial issues of the $25 million projected budget. James Marsden was cast in the lead role sometime in 2002. In a March 2004 interview, Marsden said the filmmakers were hoping for filming to start the following August. With the full-length film adaptation eventually abandoned with budgetary concerns, HBO announced in November 2006 that they commissioned Mark Steven Johnson and Howard Deutch to produce a television pilot. Johnson was to write with Deutch directing. Impressed with Johnson's pilot script, HBO had him write the series bible for the first season but by August 2008, new studio executives at HBO decided to abandon the idea, finding it too stylistically dark and religiously controversial. Columbia Pictures then purchased the film rights in October 2008 with Sam Mendes directing. Neal H. Moritz and Jason Netter are producing the film. The previous scripts written by Ennis will not be used.

Update: (Mendes) says that "Skyfall" has fulfilled his interest in tackling an action movie, so don't expect him to take any more cracks at a "Preacher" film. He had to walk away from the project because he just couldn't figure out way to make it work on screen.

 
2013-07-07 10:45:08 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: If they could crossover with Marvel, the Princess Diana Tony Stark dynamic would be awesome...

/since we're dreaming anyway
//movie will be made for the lowest common denominator regardless


Hm... a crossover between Warner's DC property and the Mouse's Marvel. Talk about a film that would never be able to make its budget back... :)

Dr.Zom: Cheater71: Will never happen. They're making a sequel to green lantern.

I think this is highly unlikely.


I didn't think they were going forward with a sequel - it comes up every few months, but nothing ever materializes. On the other hand, Reynolds is probably under contract for any film appearance of the Lantern. So that probably rules out my idea of a John Stewart Lantern in a JLA film.
 
2013-07-07 10:51:11 PM

sat1va: They should adopt the Preacher comics into an HBO series.


James Marsden is a HUGE Preacher fan and was working to produce a movie or series, but it looks like nothing's come of it yet. I'm wondering if the content is too much for even HBO.
 
2013-07-07 10:53:08 PM
The difference between the good Marvel movies (Avengers & the spinoff movies) and the lousy ones (Wolverine, Elektra, Fantastic Four) is Marvel Studios. When they were near-broke & owned by Toy Biz, Marvel sold the movie rights to some of their best characters & those studios aren't about to give them back. They took a HUGE financial risk on Marvel Studios, just so they could control the rights to their remaining characters and it's paid off. It's worked because they hire good people
who understand the brand, like comics, and have found a nice balance between appealing to the fans as well as a larger audience.
 
2013-07-07 10:54:14 PM

Sinbox: PiffMan420: sat1va: They should adopt the Preacher comics into an HBO series.

That would be awesome, but I doubt even HBO wants the amount of hate mail (and probably actual farking death threats) that Preacher would generate.

About that prospect:

cited/sourced from www.comicbookmovie.com:


Preacher is a comic book series created by writer Garth Ennis and artist Steve Dillon, published by Vertigo (an imprint of DC Comics), with painted covers by Glenn Fabry. Preacher tells the story of Jesse Custer, a down-and-out preacher in a small Texas town who is accidentally possessed by the supernatural creature named Genesis in an incident which killed his entire congregation and flattened his church. Garth Ennis, feeling Preacher would translate perfectly as a film, sold the film rights to Electric Entertainment. Rachel Talalay was hired to direct, with Ennis writing the script. Rupert Harvey and Tom Astor were set as producers. By May 1998, Ennis completed three drafts of the script, based largely on the Gone to Texas story arc. The filmmakers found it difficult financing Preacher because investors found the idea religiously controversial. Ennis approached Kevin Smith and Scott Mosier to help finance the film under their View Askew Productions banner. Ennis, Smith and Mosier pitched Preacher to Bob Weinstein at Miramax Films. Weinstein was confused by the characterization of Jesse Custer. Miramax also did not want to share the box office gross with Electric Entertainment, ultimately dropping the pitch. By May 2000, Smith and Mosier were still attached to produce with Talalay directing, but Smith did not know the status of Preacher, feeling it would languish in development hell. By then, Storm Entertainment, a UK-based production company known for their work on independent films, joined the production with Electric Entertainment. In September 2001, the two companies announced Preacher had been greenlighted to commence pre-production, with filming to begin in November and ...


Which is why it should be done as gottverdammt series. Heck, look at how they've set up Green Arrow in a series. Darkly Dreaming Dexter inspired a series. True Blood came from a series of books, and the sad fact is, the TV series is better than the books ever were. TV and cable is where you can reach an audience, and make a property into a cult status. Which is why DC might want to look at their TV series options to raise awareness of some of the properties that only comic geeks are really aware of.
 
2013-07-07 10:54:31 PM
Cool, a comic book thread...I have a question that I am not completely sure how to answer...while watching Man of Steel I was talking about how boring Superman is, and how much he sucks as a super hero...and the question was asked of "Who is the best super hero?"  IMHO, this isn't about who has the best superpowers or anything like that...it is about depth and personality in addition to cool powers.  For me, the best super VILLAIN is easy, that just HAS to be magneto.  He has a fantastic back story, what with surviving the Holocaust, which leads into his motivation as a villain.  He isn't doing what he does because he is just evil, he has seen what happens when some people are segregated so drastically.  Because of this he is a SUPER cool villain.  AND he has a really cool superpower...Magneto's mutation has so much potential in the hands of a great writer...

I would like to know who is the superhero that has the best combination of personality back story, leading to their motivation for being a superhero, as well as cool powers/abilities.  My personal top 3 are Batman, Wolverine and arguably Spider-Man.  All 3 of them are damaged in some way which makes them interesting.  They all have powers/abilities that make them interesting when well written...any suggestions for who the best super hero is?
 
2013-07-07 10:56:24 PM
I really, truly would like to be far more excited by this news than I actually am.

/Pleasedon'tsuck.
 
2013-07-07 11:10:53 PM

Tarl3k: Cool, a comic book thread...I have a question that I am not completely sure how to answer...while watching Man of Steel I was talking about how boring Superman is, and how much he sucks as a super hero...and the question was asked of "Who is the best super hero?"  IMHO, this isn't about who has the best superpowers or anything like that...it is about depth and personality in addition to cool powers.  For me, the best super VILLAIN is easy, that just HAS to be magneto.  He has a fantastic back story, what with surviving the Holocaust, which leads into his motivation as a villain.  He isn't doing what he does because he is just evil, he has seen what happens when some people are segregated so drastically.  Because of this he is a SUPER cool villain.  AND he has a really cool superpower...Magneto's mutation has so much potential in the hands of a great writer...


Superman isn't boring at all in the animated films. The problem is exactly what you say - almost every character created has potential in the hands of a great writer. But great writers are seldom assigned to comic book films. It also applies to directors and actors.

Iron Man wasn't the top of anyone's "most recognizable heroes" list until handled by the 2008 film's writers. And Robert Downey Jr. wasn't on top of anyone's "action hero leads" list until Favreau filmed that script. On the other hand, Emma Frost has been a very interesting character in the books... but January Jones' portrayal will leave her off everyone's list for years.

Tarl3k: They all have powers/abilities that make them interesting when well written...any suggestions for who the best super hero is?


Superheroes were all created to appeal to different people. Most of the main heroes were created with different powers - each a metaphor for a personality trait (positive or negative) that fans (especially kids) can recognize. To people with anger issues - Hulk or Wolverine will probably be pretty high on the list. People who lost someone close during childhood? Batman or Spider-Man. People who feel outcast because they always follow the rules? Captain America, Superman, Cyclops. People who were deeply influenced in a key way by a teacher? Professor X.
 
2013-07-07 11:14:40 PM

hubiestubert: Which is why it should be done as gottverdammt series. Heck, look at how they've set up Green Arrow in a series. Darkly Dreaming Dexter inspired a series. True Blood came from a series of books, and the sad fact is, the TV series is better than the books ever were. TV and cable is where you can reach an audience, and make a property into a cult status. Which is why DC might want to look at their TV series options to raise awareness of some of the properties that only comic geeks are really aware of.


I concur.

In my gut, I sadly, as long as there are (or are perceived to be) religious extremist types around the world*,  there will never be a Preacher TV series/movie (or at least not one that will be funded as the material deserves). Hell, I'm amazed Mssrs. Ennis + Dillan don't receive daily death threats just for authoring the damn source material*. And the comic series is, in its warped way, not all-that-anti-religion at its core. In fact, it can be viewed as pretty damn.pro-religious-tolerance.

* or maybe they do. I'd be exactly O.OO% surprised to learn that they have.
 
2013-07-07 11:15:27 PM
...sadly know,...
 
2013-07-07 11:18:10 PM

PiffMan420: sat1va: They should adopt the Preacher comics into an HBO series.

That would be awesome, but I doubt even HBO wants the amount of hate mail (and probably actual farking death threats) that Preacher would generate.


HBO would get over it pretty quickly if the series was good and caught on. The hate mail and other histrionics from the outraged fundie community would end up doing more good in terms of generating buzz and free publicity than it would any appreciable harm.
 
2013-07-07 11:19:04 PM

swahnhennessy: If this thing has a greenlight it pretty much means DC isn't interested in a JLA movie. Or they're bigger idiots than previously thought, letting the brand get diluted like this and possibly sowing confusion with the name.

Bonanza Jellybean: No. Do At the Mountains of Madness, you chubby jerk.

Makes a hell of a lot more sense than doing a film about characters that had their hey-day 40 years ago when Wolfman models and Stanley Mouse monster hot rods were all the rage.


Mr. Del Toro? I'm not calling you a chubby jerk. Please do this - if the best thing I can show my little cousins to get them interested in Weird Fiction is 'House on Haunted Hill' or (DEAR. GOD.) Dean Stockwell in 'The Dunwich Horror' I'm calling it a lost cause.
 
2013-07-07 11:22:13 PM
Dillon

first *
* (meaning until the sun goes perma-black)

More sleep.
 
2013-07-07 11:32:40 PM

clkeagle: ThatBillmanGuy: If they could crossover with Marvel, the Princess Diana Tony Stark dynamic would be awesome...

/since we're dreaming anyway
//movie will be made for the lowest common denominator regardless

Hm... a crossover between Warner's DC property and the Mouse's Marvel. Talk about a film that would never be able to make its budget back... :)

Dr.Zom: Cheater71: Will never happen. They're making a sequel to green lantern.

I think this is highly unlikely.

I didn't think they were going forward with a sequel - it comes up every few months, but nothing ever materializes. On the other hand, Reynolds is probably under contract for any film appearance of the Lantern. So that probably rules out my idea of a John Stewart Lantern in a JLA film.


Contracts only work in favor of the studios. They are generally written so they can replace an actor any time they feel like it, like Edward Norton in The Avengers, or Terrance Howard in Iron Man 2. If they want a different GL, they can probably do it easily.
 
2013-07-07 11:35:53 PM

quatchi: PiffMan420: sat1va: They should adopt the Preacher comics into an HBO series.

That would be awesome, but I doubt even HBO wants the amount of hate mail (and probably actual farking death threats) that Preacher would generate.

HBO would get over it pretty quickly if the series was good and caught on. The hate mail and other histrionics from the outraged fundie community would end up doing more good in terms of generating buzz and free publicity than it would any appreciable harm.


I'd personally love to see a premium cable network tackle The Boys. There's so much fun they could have sending up the current crop of superhero movies.
 
2013-07-07 11:39:45 PM

Tarl3k: Cool, a comic book thread...I have a question that I am not completely sure how to answer...while watching Man of Steel I was talking about how boring Superman is, and how much he sucks as a super hero...and the question was asked of "Who is the best super hero?"  IMHO, this isn't about who has the best superpowers or anything like that...it is about depth and personality in addition to cool powers.  For me, the best super VILLAIN is easy, that just HAS to be magneto.  He has a fantastic back story, what with surviving the Holocaust, which leads into his motivation as a villain.  He isn't doing what he does because he is just evil, he has seen what happens when some people are segregated so drastically.  Because of this he is a SUPER cool villain.  AND he has a really cool superpower...Magneto's mutation has so much potential in the hands of a great writer...

I would like to know who is the superhero that has the best combination of personality back story, leading to their motivation for being a superhero, as well as cool powers/abilities.  My personal top 3 are Batman, Wolverine and arguably Spider-Man.  All 3 of them are damaged in some way which makes them interesting.  They all have powers/abilities that make them interesting when well written...any suggestions for who the best super hero is?


Dog Welder.
 
2013-07-07 11:41:08 PM
better be careful if Del Torro is in charge.  He's apt to quit in preproduction.
 
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