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(The Weekly Standard)   NBC's Chuck Todd says, 'The White House doesn't see a path' to passing immigration reform, flooding America's bloated labor market   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 106
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-07 03:29:24 PM
Considering that the average Weekly Standard reader is competing for the sort of jobs that illegal aliens do, I can see why they are upset.
 
2013-07-07 03:32:45 PM
...they think maybe the House won't act

My surprised face...

"It was supposed to be Paul Ryan--" "He's gone silent,"

So Rubio worked out a compromise in the Senate but Ryan won't do shiat in the Congress so nothing gets done for another year?

So the GOP are gonna keep on doing nothing that could possibly make Obama look good even if it's good for the country and will continue to cry "Wolfghazi!" at the top of their lungs for the foreseeable future?

*le sigh*

The really sad thing?

These asshats will prolly keep the farking House in 2014 because Dems are such unreliable voters in midterms and because CU.

*wanders off for a much needed dandelion break after flipping Subby the bird for that trolltastic headline*
 
2013-07-07 04:28:56 PM
One man's bloated labor market is another man's deficient job market.
 
2013-07-07 04:46:21 PM
Flooding the markets.. is a 13 year wait 'flooding'?

Glaciers move faster than that.
 
2013-07-07 04:49:28 PM
It's nice that someone finally found the balls to stand up to the American hating left!
 
2013-07-07 04:54:11 PM
I think it was Doug Stanhope, comedian who said, if your job can be replaced by a guy who doesn't speak English and came here with no shoes, you're a farking loser.
 
2013-07-07 04:54:43 PM
This is NOT the Change we were Hoping for.

The administration needs to learn to work both sides of the aisle.  They got to be adults about it, does some real thinking and not just jam things through and then later find out it parts of it doesn't work (as in Obamacare).

Being President is a very different job than running for office.  Hopefully they will learn that eventually.
 
2013-07-07 04:56:57 PM

Marcus Aurelius: One man's bloated labor market is another man's deficient job market.


This. There'd be less people looking for a job if the jobs hadn't been pushed overseas. And if companies would hire more than the absolute bare minimum, instead of piling more work on fewer workers without raising wages, so the CEO can buy another yacht.
 
2013-07-07 04:58:01 PM
If you're over the age of 25 and still refer to yourself as "Chuck," I refuse to take you seriously.
 
2013-07-07 04:59:13 PM

TerminalEchoes: If you're over the age of 25 and still refer to yourself as "Chuck," I refuse to take you seriously.


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2013-07-07 05:00:14 PM

Weatherkiss: TerminalEchoes: If you're over the age of 25 and still refer to yourself as "Chuck," I refuse to take you seriously.

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That does nothing to disprove his point.
 
2013-07-07 05:01:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The administration needs to learn to work both sides of the aisle.  They got to be adults about it, does some real thinking and not just jam things through and then later find out it parts of it doesn't work (as in Obamacare).


I'm not trying to fellate Obama or anything because he's been a bit of a disappointment in un-farking Bush's fark ups but in his defense he did deal with a congress whose only purpose was to fight every single thing he tried to do, even things they used to support.
 
2013-07-07 05:01:41 PM
Operation Wetback.  It was real and worked to protect jobs.   Look it up.  We don't need to protect the border if we don't hire illegals and require a US birth certificate to get a job.   Rich Republicans want cheap, abundant labor and are the fundamental reason we have illegal aliens.

www.bartcop.com
 
2013-07-07 05:02:58 PM

LordJiro: Weatherkiss: TerminalEchoes: If you're over the age of 25 and still refer to yourself as "Chuck," I refuse to take you seriously.

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That does nothing to disprove his point.


You mean a washed-up B-list actor whose claim to fame was fighting Bruce Lee, acting in a cheesy western TV series, plugging fitness equipment, and becoming an internet meme shouldn't be taken ser--... OH. OH.... yeah... nevermind.
 
2013-07-07 05:04:52 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: This is NOT the Change we were Hoping for.

The administration needs to learn to work both sides of the aisle.  They got to be adults about it, does some real thinking and not just jam things through and then later find out it parts of it doesn't work (as in Obamacare).

Being President is a very different job than running for office.  Hopefully they will learn that eventually.


It's amusing seeing someone demand compromise when the core principle of the tea party is that of being uncompromising. Obama and Dems did work both sides of the aisle, that's why the Senate bill passed easily. It's the right-wing extremists in the House that are gumming up the works. The entire friggin' country knows this. Hell, the tea party is PROUD of this aspect! No compromise! Even Boehner can't work with those lunatics. When Boehner is able to work with the people in his own party, then you might have a leg to stand on complaining about Obama.
 
2013-07-07 05:06:03 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The administration needs to learn to work both sides of the aisle.


Takes two to tango and the Republicans have refused to dance over and over again.

Democrats in the Senate worked with Rubio and and others to put a bill forward.

Republicans in the house refuse to do shiat despite Ryan setting himself up the go to guy.

Your concern trolling rings hollow as always.
 
2013-07-07 05:06:28 PM
Good
 
2013-07-07 05:09:38 PM
Why is this phrased from a White House point of view? The HoR is an active agent. It bears the responsibility for making this decision.
 
2013-07-07 05:15:09 PM
More workers isn't a problem if you're able to compete with them.  I'm sure it sucks when any idiot with a laptop can steal your patriot-blogger job.
 
2013-07-07 05:15:14 PM
When did Chuck Todd become the White House Press Secretary?
 
2013-07-07 05:16:15 PM
Our benighted ruling class is hell bent on destroying the middle class and turning this country into another third world shiathole 'cause beggars are easier to please. Bringing in millions of third worlders just pushes wages down, and makes it easier to push the citizens around. Republicans want lots of cheap workers to exploit, and Democrats want to expand the ranks of the poor so they'll vote for more government goodies, thus increasing government control over the citizens. The US is so over, man....
 
2013-07-07 05:19:49 PM

ObamaTheOmnipotent: When did Chuck Todd become the White House Press Secretary?


2nd week of the 1st term like the rest of the station
 
2013-07-07 05:19:52 PM
America's real problem?  Magazines no one reads feuding with cable news outlets no one watches over nothing in particular.
 
2013-07-07 05:22:10 PM

mark12A: Our benighted ruling class is hell bent on destroying the middle class and turning this country into another third world shiathole 'cause beggars are easier to plea

se. Bringing in millions of third worlders just pushes wages down, and makes it easier to push the citizens around. Republicans want lots of cheap workers to exploit, and Democrats want to expand the ranks of the poor so they'll vote for more government goodies, thus increasing government control over the citizens. The US is so over, man....

Sounds like you need to go Galt, Mr. "Producer".

Please, proceed.
 
2013-07-07 05:22:13 PM

mark12A: Our benighted ruling class is hell bent on destroying the middle class and turning this country into another third world shiathole 'cause beggars are easier to please. Bringing in millions of third worlders just pushes wages down, and makes it easier to push the citizens around. Republicans want lots of cheap workers to exploit, and Democrats want to expand the ranks of the poor so they'll vote for more government goodies, thus increasing government control over the citizens. The US is so over, man....


Zzzzzzzzzzzzz......
 
2013-07-07 05:22:39 PM
I would like to point out my only issue that I know about the Senate bill.  Please fund a study of all people who become unemployed in the IT sector and how soon they get a job.  Track wages over 10 years and see how much they drop.
 
2013-07-07 05:23:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: More workers isn't a problem if you're able to compete with them.  I'm sure it sucks when any idiot with a laptop can steal your patriot-blogger job.


It is if you're a carpenter, painter or landscaper with a wife and mortgage "competing" against a flood of illegals who work for minimum wage, cash. What used to be good 20 hour a dollar jobs just aren't anymore.
 
2013-07-07 05:24:47 PM

jim32rr: ObamaTheOmnipotent: When did Chuck Todd become the White House Press Secretary?

2nd week of the 1st term like the rest of the station



You're a card but it doesn't explain why Fox News is still working for the Bush administration.
 
2013-07-07 05:29:19 PM
I'm happy to see Boehner and the US House take a stand on this. There is no urgent need to pass this and most people especially Hispanics will believe that it has already been placed into law since the Senate pass their version. I hope the US House votes on restoring DOMA soon.
 
2013-07-07 05:29:54 PM

catpuncher: Rapmaster2000: More workers isn't a problem if you're able to compete with them.  I'm sure it sucks when any idiot with a laptop can steal your patriot-blogger job.

It is if you're a carpenter, painter or landscaper with a wife and mortgage "competing" against a flood of illegals who work for minimum wage, cash. What used to be good 20 hour a dollar jobs just aren't anymore.


Holy shiat you are underpaid!
 
2013-07-07 05:32:04 PM

catpuncher: Rapmaster2000: More workers isn't a problem if you're able to compete with them.  I'm sure it sucks when any idiot with a laptop can steal your patriot-blogger job.

It is if you're a carpenter, painter or landscaper with a wife and mortgage "competing" against a flood of illegals who work for minimum wage, cash. What used to be good 20 hour a dollar jobs just aren't anymore.



You're right in that illegal immigrants don't follow minimum wage laws, don't report worker safety problems, don't participate in insurance claims, and so on. That's because they are illegal immigrants and so employers are free to treat them like slave labor. Turning illegal immigrants into citizens makes it easier to compete with them because then employers have to follow labor laws when dealing with them.
 
2013-07-07 05:39:43 PM

catpuncher: Rapmaster2000: More workers isn't a problem if you're able to compete with them.  I'm sure it sucks when any idiot with a laptop can steal your patriot-blogger job.

It is if you're a carpenter, painter or landscaper with a wife and mortgage "competing" against a flood of illegals who work for minimum wage, cash. What used to be good 20 hour a dollar jobs just aren't anymore.


If those employers could have managed by employing minimum wage workers instead of $20/hr workers, they would have been doing so already.
 
2013-07-07 05:42:40 PM
As long as "reform" = kicking the dirty Mexicans back across the border while giving a pass to the white people (yeah I went there) who hire them, good.

The shiat obviously has to hit the fan before we really take the issue seriously.
 
2013-07-07 05:44:33 PM
tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): This is NOT the Change we were Hoping for.

The administration needs to learn to work both sides of the aisle.  They got to be adults about it, does some real thinking and not just jam things through and then later find out it parts of it doesn't work (as in Obamacare).

Being President is a very different job than running for office.  Hopefully they will learn that eventually.


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2013-07-07 05:52:10 PM
Chuck Todd, who knows nothing about real life in the United States of America.
 
2013-07-07 06:03:11 PM
The estimated number of illegal immigrants -- 11 million -- is similar to the number of people, Jew and Gentile, who died in the Holocaust.[1] Now consider the massive expenditure of money, resources and time needed to round up all those people and haul them off to the camps -- and that's even without actually killing them; I don't think even the Tea Party advocates exterminating the illegals[2].  It may well have cost Germany the war.

So y'all who advocate rounding up the illegals, kicking them out and building the Great Wall of Texas can SHUT THE FARK UP about having to pay taxes.  You are not anywhere near "Taxed Enough Already" if this is the sort of thing you want Limited Government® to do.

---
[1] Yes, I went there.  If the jackboot fits, wear it.
[2] Not yet, at least.  The Nazis themselves weren't particularly eager to slaughter Jews in the beginning, as long as they could just deport them.
 
2013-07-07 06:06:20 PM
But who's going to fill all the jobs that the job creators are creating?
 
2013-07-07 06:08:29 PM

fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.netvpb: Considering that the average Weekly Standard reader is competing for the sort of jobs that illegal aliens do, I can see why they are upset.

The immigration bill contains a clause to vastly increase the number of H1-B visas.
 
2013-07-07 06:12:46 PM

Weatherkiss: TerminalEchoes: If you're over the age of 25 and still refer to yourself as "Chuck," I refuse to take you seriously.

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....well ok, you got me there.
 
2013-07-07 06:12:53 PM

SamWaters: Operation Wetback.  It was real and worked to protect jobs.   Look it up.  We don't need to protect the border if we don't hire illegals and require a US birth certificate to get a job.   Rich Republicans want cheap, abundant labor and are the fundamental reason we have illegal aliens.


Ayup. And as I've said before this lays out the crux of the Republican conundrum on immigration: xenophobia vs greed.
 
2013-07-07 06:13:15 PM

quatchi: "It was supposed to be Paul Ryan--" "He's gone silent,"


Did someone nominate him VP again?

that does tend to shut him up...
 
2013-07-07 06:15:10 PM
Spiffy subby? Really? What's so great about congress being useless as usual? Immigration reform is needed, and last I checked we were a nation of immigrants. My family came here, your family probably came here, and yes while they did so legally they also did so when it was much easier to immigrate to the United States. Not to mention there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States, good luck deporting them all. Oh, and lets recall the economic reality that our agricultural sector is heavily depended on migrant workers.

Then there is the fact that this isn't just an immigration problem, this is an eduction problem as well. As the most threatened by illegal immigrants are unskilled labor. Anyway, long story short its a complex problem. How good is Congress at solving those kinds of problems? Oh, right. >.>
 
2013-07-07 06:17:00 PM

fusillade762: SamWaters: Operation Wetback.  It was real and worked to protect jobs.   Look it up.  We don't need to protect the border if we don't hire illegals and require a US birth certificate to get a job.   Rich Republicans want cheap, abundant labor and are the fundamental reason we have illegal aliens.

Ayup. And as I've said before this lays out the crux of the Republican conundrum on immigration: xenophobia vs greed.


I don't think xenophobia is much of an issue, as long as they can treat them like second-class (or even third-class) citizens once they're here.
 
2013-07-07 06:17:01 PM
Congressmen are only supposed to jerk off and piss of libs. Passing laws is for idiots.

Political theatre ftw.
 
2013-07-07 06:25:00 PM
Too many people are overpaid for the jobs they do. You need the massive influx of 'cheap' labor to bring wages back to where they should be (because the Dollars valve has been destroyed). If people keep getting paid large amounts for 'basic' jobs the price for any good would just increase.....causing people to need more money.
 
2013-07-07 06:37:58 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: This is NOT the Change we were Hoping for.


As I told you before, and apparently I will have to do it in every thread, YOU were never a part of the WE that voted for hope and change. Your dishonesty is typical of conservatives these days. Your concern is noted and you are dismissed.
 
2013-07-07 06:55:43 PM

ferretman: Too many people are overpaid for the jobs they do.


do what now?
 
2013-07-07 07:02:18 PM

ferretman: Too many people are overpaid for the jobs they do. You need the massive influx of 'cheap' labor to bring wages back to where they should be (because the Dollars valve has been destroyed). If people keep getting paid large amounts for 'basic' jobs the price for any good would just increase.....causing people to need more money.


Yeah, it's like the guys who writes everything JJ Abrams does, not that the last five or so Star Trek films were works of art but these guys get shiattons of money to write these things and they write screenplays that at a screenwriting 101 class at the community learning annex would get a C- at best.
 
2013-07-07 07:03:48 PM
stop H1b visas completely. drastically enforce employee verification of status. that drastically means huge fines imposed on employers using rules like snatching drug cash. grab their cash and make them fight to get it back. take that money and spending it on two year technical schools. run a PR campaign aimed at getting folks to only hire "certified" workers. dry up the home depot labor parking lot pool. by that and making insurance mandatory for ANY construction requiring a permit. prove your contractor is "certified" and uses "certified" labor, cheap insurance. can't prove that?  big insurance fees. high risk workers after all. conduct raids on slaughter houses, migrant camps, etc. enforce the rules about decent housing and food at those camps and when you find farmers trying to hide behind labor contractors fine the shiat out of both of them. that crap doesn't happen without the farmer knowing.

would it be disruptive? oh hell yeah. but over not too much time it would reduce the employment problem, provide decent wages and the illegals who couldn't get training would go home. there would be no work for them. don't have to bother with adding a bazillion dollars of metal fence with all that high tech crap. you would have to hire some more ICE folks and some judges.

we are in this mess because we didn't cut off the head long ago. well it's time to now. hit con agra hard. same with sanderson farms. have a team of ICE agents assigned to each. find a violation? write a ticket, access a dollar penalty, seize that much from their bank account and keep it until the court case is settled. given their horrible record of compliance to date it would be easy to convince a judge that they wouldn't honor a fine otherwise.
 
2013-07-07 07:13:28 PM

ferretman: Too many people are overpaid for the jobs they do.


[Citation needed]

You need the massive influx of 'cheap' labor to bring wages back to where they should be (because the Dollars valve has been destroyed).

You're contradicting yourself.  If the dollar is worth less than it should be, then people should be paid more of them to make a fair price for their labor.

If people keep getting paid large amounts for 'basic' jobs the price for any good would just increase.....causing people to need more money.

And just who the hell are these people getting paid large amounts for 'basic' jobs?  Citation needed!
 
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