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2013-07-07 05:20:44 PM
What a DUMBASS!  Amirite Fark?

High five!
 
2013-07-07 05:29:33 PM

The_Sponge: Do you think it would be totally cool if I used a Babe Ruth baseball card to light a cigar?


The Bambino would be proud.
 
Oak
2013-07-07 05:43:01 PM

Savage Belief: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Not a very good correlation there skippy. Troll harder.


Not a very good use of the work "correlation," there, Skippy.  Write better.

/Punctuation and capitalization were poor, too.
 
2013-07-07 05:56:35 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Speculators and collectors ruined comic books


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-07 06:23:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: The_Sponge: FirstNationalBastard: Second, it's better to see an old, valuable comic like this actually used for something as opposed to sealed in mylar, or worse, locked in a slab of lucite so that it will never be touched by air or human hands again, but will retain its "collectible value".


Wrong.

Do you think it would be totally cool if I used a Babe Ruth baseball card to light a cigar?

Different things.

A baseball card is a collectable. It really has no purpose other than to sit there and look pretty.

A comic book was meant to be read (and tossed). And, at this point, if someone really wants to read the actual story, there are a dozen different ways to read it.


Right.. and if someone wants to read it, they can.  Or they can cherish this piece of initial art that virtually nobody else can have.

You

The_Y2P_Problem: This is a brilliant statement on the behalf of the artist on the subjectivity of nostalgia.  It's as if the artist is daring the viewer to ask themselves the question: What's more important?  Nostalgia in its purest, raw form, left untouched and unadulterated or the use of those memories to create something new and greater?  To the collector, the comics used were worth $30k because they represent a collectible keepsake from days gone by in the most original form possible.  To the artist, they were merely paper that fit his artistic vision and lent themselves to something that, in his mind, was of more value: the creation of his statue.   The piece forces us to ask ourselves if the comfort of the security blanket that is nostalgia is worth the value we ascribe to it or if we should cherish those memories but make new ones as well.

Or the artist had no idea what comics he had and just thought they were pretty enough to put on his statue.


Or the artist knew it as same old crappy paper statues and the only way to get people to look at it is to add some bling.
It was either make it of old comics, or put crosses on it and piss on it... anything to get his name in the news.

mission accomplished.
 
2013-07-07 06:24:30 PM
I'm okay with this. Art that pisses people off is the best kind of art.
 
2013-07-07 06:32:27 PM

eggrolls: neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame.


whointhewhatnow?
 
2013-07-07 06:36:42 PM

zero7717: I'm okay with this. Art that pisses people off is the best kind of art.


Exactly. A self-aware viewer might first become angered by the art, but then ask, "why does this bother me so much?" Perhaps it's supposed to be a piece of art asking us not to place so much value on little pieces of four-color funybooks.
 
2013-07-07 06:44:06 PM
Artists are stupid.
 
2013-07-07 07:11:24 PM
While i dont give a stuff about what happened to some old comic book, I love the guy's post-facto justification. Reckon that oglaf delusionist from several other threads is needed here.
 
2013-07-07 07:59:58 PM

timujin: eggrolls: neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame.

whointhewhatnow?


Face it, Lennon's notebook was NOT a valued commodity until after the Beatles hit it big. DaVinci was hired for his work as an artist, but was still only paid a reasonable scale for a very talented artist of his era. It was only after these men became more famous that Jesus (thank you John) that every thing they ever touched became worth more than gold.
 
2013-07-07 08:00:01 PM

eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.


i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.
 
2013-07-07 08:01:25 PM

zjoik: eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.

i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.


Closer to them than you've ever been, I wager.

/12 yrs museum curator.
 
2013-07-07 08:07:32 PM

eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.

i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.

Closer to them than you've ever been, I wager.

/12 yrs museum curator.


then you're aware he had relevance in his time.
 
2013-07-07 08:14:28 PM

zjoik: eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.

i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.

Closer to them than you've ever been, I wager.

/12 yrs museum curator.

then you're aware he had relevance in his time.


Relevance, yes. Even star power, for lack of a better term, in his time. But all of it pales to how he is regarded, and how valuable his work has become, 500 years later.
 
2013-07-07 08:14:31 PM

eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!


CSB time: I attended art school in the late 80's. One of my fine arts "teachers" was just this kind of a-hole. He displayed reproductions of Picasso's self portraits tinted green (he was "appropriating the imagery"). One of his favorite students wanted to buy an original Picasso drawing so he could erase it. He hated my work because I spent too much time developing my technical skills. I replied that I thought that was why I was in school to develop skills.
I switched out of fine arts.
 
2013-07-07 08:17:31 PM

theotherles: Artists are stupid.


THIS
 
2013-07-07 08:38:58 PM

eggrolls: timujin: eggrolls: neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame.

whointhewhatnow?

Face it, Lennon's notebook was NOT a valued commodity until after the Beatles hit it big. DaVinci was hired for his work as an artist, but was still only paid a reasonable scale for a very talented artist of his era. It was only after these men became more famous that Jesus (thank you John) that every thing they ever touched became worth more than gold.


Both men gained their fame during their "own time frame," so your initial statement is incorrect or, at the least, very poorly put.  Secondly, you apparently know nothing about da Vinci's career.
 
2013-07-07 08:45:08 PM

timujin: Both men gained their fame during their "own time frame," so your initial statement is incorrect or, at the least, very poorly put.  Secondly, you apparently know nothing about da Vinci's career.


He had a code.
 
2013-07-07 08:45:52 PM

eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.

i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.

Closer to them than you've ever been, I wager.

/12 yrs museum curator.


12 years as a museum curator and you don't know it's "da Vinci" and not "DaVinci"?  Just because you call the collection of unopened Pokemon cards you keep in your mom's basement a "museum" doesn't make you a "curator"
 
2013-07-07 09:03:55 PM

timujin: eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.

i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.

Closer to them than you've ever been, I wager.

/12 yrs museum curator.

12 years as a museum curator and you don't know it's "da Vinci" and not "DaVinci"?  Just because you call the collection of unopened Pokemon cards you keep in your mom's basement a "museum" doesn't make you a "curator"

 
It's the degree from Harvard that makes me a curator, zippy. What you got, besides a hard-on for grammatical nazism?

/And it's spelled Temujin.
 
2013-07-07 09:17:43 PM

eggrolls: It's the degree from Harvard that makes me a curator, zippy.


Sure it is.

/And it's spelled Temujin.

No, it's spelled timujin.  Temujin was the birth name of Genghis Khan, though even that can be found with half a dozen different spellings since his name wasn't originally written in Latin based script.

And that doesn't make you any more correct in your preposterous statement that Lennon or da Vinci's notebooks didn't have "much relevance or value" in their own time.  There are plenty of examples of that, but those two are not among them.
 
2013-07-07 10:16:16 PM

eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.

i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.

Closer to them than you've ever been, I wager.

/12 yrs museum curator.

then you're aware he had relevance in his time.

Relevance, yes. Even star power, for lack of a better term, in his time. But all of it pales to how he is regarded, and how valuable his work has become, 500 years later.


i apologize for debating what you had written.

"or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame "
 
2013-07-07 11:49:46 PM

eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!



If he bought and paid for them, then yeah, go nuts.
 
2013-07-08 12:06:56 AM

PsiChick: The_Y2P_Problem: This is a brilliant statement on the behalf of the artist on the subjectivity of nostalgia.  It's as if the artist is daring the viewer to ask themselves the question: What's more important?  Nostalgia in its purest, raw form, left untouched and unadulterated or the use of those memories to create something new and greater?  To the collector, the comics used were worth $30k because they represent a collectible keepsake from days gone by in the most original form possible.  To the artist, they were merely paper that fit his artistic vision and lent themselves to something that, in his mind, was of more value: the creation of his statue.   The piece forces us to ask ourselves if the comfort of the security blanket that is nostalgia is worth the value we ascribe to it or if we should cherish those memories but make new ones as well.

Or the artist had no idea what comics he had and just thought they were pretty enough to put on his statue.

I think this is the part people take issue with. The statue isn't 'greater', it's just a statue. If it had been, say, recycled with the paper used for a reboot edition?  Fark yes that would've been awesome (provided the reboot was honestly better than the original). But for that crappy thing? Uh...no.


Oh, the statue is bad and the artist should feel bad.  I probably put more thought into a meaning behind it than he did.  I was more talking nostalgia in the abstract sense rather than the paper mache thing.
 
2013-07-08 12:42:44 AM

zjoik: eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.

i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.

Closer to them than you've ever been, I wager.

/12 yrs museum curator.

then you're aware he had relevance in his time.

Relevance, yes. Even star power, for lack of a better term, in his time. But all of it pales to how he is regarded, and how valuable his work has become, 500 years later.

i apologize for debating what you had written.

"or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame "


My bad. The way I wrote that *is* far too dismissive of da Vinci's (happy NOW, Timujin?) relevance to his own era as a brilliant engineer and hotshot artist in relation to the legend he became over the centuries. Perils of no peer review or even just an 'edit' button.

(And Timmy, *you* can still bite me.)
 
2013-07-08 01:06:10 AM

The_Y2P_Problem: PsiChick: The_Y2P_Problem: This is a brilliant statement on the behalf of the artist on the subjectivity of nostalgia.  It's as if the artist is daring the viewer to ask themselves the question: What's more important?  Nostalgia in its purest, raw form, left untouched and unadulterated or the use of those memories to create something new and greater?  To the collector, the comics used were worth $30k because they represent a collectible keepsake from days gone by in the most original form possible.  To the artist, they were merely paper that fit his artistic vision and lent themselves to something that, in his mind, was of more value: the creation of his statue.   The piece forces us to ask ourselves if the comfort of the security blanket that is nostalgia is worth the value we ascribe to it or if we should cherish those memories but make new ones as well.

Or the artist had no idea what comics he had and just thought they were pretty enough to put on his statue.

I think this is the part people take issue with. The statue isn't 'greater', it's just a statue. If it had been, say, recycled with the paper used for a reboot edition?  Fark yes that would've been awesome (provided the reboot was honestly better than the original). But for that crappy thing? Uh...no.

Oh, the statue is bad and the artist should feel bad.  I probably put more thought into a meaning behind it than he did.  I was more talking nostalgia in the abstract sense rather than the paper mache thing.


Ah. Fair enough--had the work actually been worth a shiat, I'd have supported him. It was just a bad statue.
 
2013-07-08 01:30:48 AM

eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: zjoik: eggrolls: Great_Milenko: eggrolls: So if it's ok to trash someone else's art to make your own, we should let him make his next 'masterpiece' out of the Mona Lisa, John Lennon's handwritten lyrics, and the Constitution. It's fun to destroy something that's valuable to other people!

Yes, because a comic book has the same cultural significance as any of these things...

The Constitution clearly had immediate value and significance, but neither Lennon's notebook scribbles or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame. Cultural significance comes later. Often much later. If anybody knew what that would be when it happened, we'd still have copies of Shakespeare's 'Love's Labor Won' and 'Cardenio'.

i'm not certain you're familiar with some of da vinci's work.

Closer to them than you've ever been, I wager.

/12 yrs museum curator.

then you're aware he had relevance in his time.

Relevance, yes. Even star power, for lack of a better term, in his time. But all of it pales to how he is regarded, and how valuable his work has become, 500 years later.

i apologize for debating what you had written.

"or DaVicni's work had much relevance or value in their own time frame "

My bad. The way I wrote that *is* far too dismissive of da Vinci's (happy NOW, Timujin?) relevance to his own era as a brilliant engineer and hotshot artist in relation to the legend he became over the centuries. Perils of no peer review or even just an 'edit' button.

(And Timmy, *you* can still bite me.)


Gosh, how will I sleep at night?  Don't you have some Pokemon cards to catalog?
 
2013-07-08 01:34:51 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-08 01:50:38 AM
"I really love the idea of me creating something out of such expensive things that's worth less. I think it's brilliant."

Going by market value for your organs, your work has become repetitive, sir.
 
2013-07-08 02:24:28 AM

GreenAdder: [i.imgur.com image 500x374]


meh, white border
 
2013-07-08 08:32:54 AM

The_Sponge: FirstNationalBastard: Second, it's better to see an old, valuable comic like this actually used for something as opposed to sealed in mylar, or worse, locked in a slab of lucite so that it will never be touched by air or human hands again, but will retain its "collectible value".


Wrong.

Do you think it would be totally cool if I used a Babe Ruth baseball card to light a cigar?


I think that would depend on the cigar.
A Dominican Cohiba? No.
A Cuban Cohiba. Maybe.
 
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