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2013-07-07 12:04:40 PM
Gerrymandering the Senate, how novel.
 
2013-07-07 12:11:22 PM
Wouldn't it just be a lot easier for these traitors to just find a country that suits their views and move their asses there? Instead of grouping up and trying to ruin everything for the rest of us?
 
2013-07-07 12:13:43 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Wouldn't it just be a lot easier for these traitors to just find a country that suits their views and move their asses there? Instead of grouping up and trying to ruin everything for the rest of us?


I think it has something to do with the "misery loves company" principle

/because these are some miserable sonsofbiatches
 
2013-07-07 12:30:03 PM
Here's an idea...  How about you don't let the elected carve up the districts?  Run your elections like every other first world nation (and a bunch of second) and have an independent agency whose only job is to run elections and set district boundries based on actual population changes and logical geographic and municipal boundries.  Even if it has to be state by state.

Never mind this appointment B.S.
 
2013-07-07 12:31:28 PM
Of course senators don't. They don't care. Do you think Boxer & Feinstein actually did what was in California's best interests or their own?
 
2013-07-07 01:06:49 PM
Does anyone other than Farkers actually read this stupid drivel?
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-07-07 01:07:21 PM
FTFA:Senators rarely represent the interests of their home state today,

Then quit defending the Citizens United ruling, you disingenuous douchebags.
 
2013-07-07 01:32:47 PM
The states can do this by individual vote; this way, a Constitutional Convention and the subsequent dangers presents to liberty can be avoided.

Someone got paid to write this sentence?
Why would a Constitutional Convention be a danger to liberty?

It would increase the sovereignty of the several states and restore true federalism back into our system of government.

What are the several states and what does the author think true federalism is?

/I am only about 3 paragraphs into this cluster fark.
 
2013-07-07 01:36:35 PM

spongeboob: The states can do this by individual vote; this way, a Constitutional Convention and the subsequent dangers presents to liberty can be avoided.

Someone got paid to write this sentence?
Why would a Constitutional Convention be a danger to liberty?

It would increase the sovereignty of the several states and restore true federalism back into our system of government.

What are the several states and what does the author think true federalism is?

/I am only about 3 paragraphs into this cluster fark.


You're a better man than I am

/just the stupid emanating from the link repulses my mouse cursor
 
2013-07-07 01:38:44 PM
A quick Google search for the author of this article has brought me to the conclusion that the author did in fact die in 1966,  which I think explains everything.
 
2013-07-07 02:07:20 PM

dj_bigbird: Of course senators don't. They don't care. Do you think Boxer & Feinstein actually did what was in California's best interests or their own?


Well, yes. But that's beside the point. Don't like your Senators? Vote them out, you already have the mechanism to do so. And if you think that a Senator elected by the people of a state is not accurately reflecting the will of all the people of the state,what makes you think a Senator appointed by one person will be more so?
What y'all are really saying with this crap is 'I don't like the way things are going for me, so I'm going to change the rules in mid-game.'

/political Calvinball
 
2013-07-07 02:14:40 PM
For "American Thinker," any Senator distinguishable from Vlad the Impaler isn't "representative". Hard to believe, I know.
 
2013-07-07 02:37:10 PM
Well, of course with Republicans having successfully rigged, er, gerrymandered so many of the state/House elections in their favor in so many states, of they want to be able to do the same to the Senate. Gerrymander the state for Republican state house wins. Get the laws changed back for that state house to appoint Senators. Modern Republican reactionaries able to drag the US back into the 1800s. Win!
 
2013-07-07 02:38:56 PM
What's the point? The GOP effectively controls the Senate anyway due to filibustering...
 
2013-07-07 02:44:36 PM
Politicians in general don't reflect the will of the people.
 
2013-07-07 02:48:14 PM
The Constitution: the only way to protect our liberties is to repeal it.

Yup. These are some DEEP thinkers...
 
2013-07-07 02:52:41 PM
Don't these people realize they are advocating for watered down fascism? We don't like the will of the people so we will find an alternative way to force our vision.
 
2013-07-07 02:54:30 PM

b2theory: Don't these people realize they are advocating for watered down fascism? We don't like the will of the people so we will find an alternative way to force our vision.


You're the fascist for pointing out their fascism.
 
2013-07-07 03:04:26 PM

b2theory: Don't these people realize they are advocating for watered down fascism? We don't like the will of the people so we will find an alternative way to force our vision.


Or they know it and it is exactly what they want.
 
2013-07-07 03:05:10 PM

WorldCitizen: Well, of course with Republicans having successfully rigged, er, gerrymandered so many of the state/House elections in their favor in so many states, of they want to be able to do the same to the Senate. Gerrymander the state for Republican state house wins. Get the laws changed back for that state house to appoint Senators. Modern Republican reactionaries able to drag the US back into the 1800s. Win!


Oh the halcyon days of the Boom/Bust cycle! Truly, only when we are free of the tyranny of the majority of citizens, can we be truly free of these shackles that we call democracy. Democracy: the real enemy of freedom!
 
2013-07-07 03:05:21 PM

hubiestubert: The Constitution: the only way to protect our liberties is to repeal it.

Yup. These are some DEEP thinkers...


In their defense, these truly are the best ideas they can come up with.
 
2013-07-07 03:10:49 PM
www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2013-07-07 03:12:57 PM

hubiestubert: The Constitution: the only way to protect our liberties is to repeal it.

Yup. These are some DEEP thinkers...


Translated into non-sarcasm:  These are some DERP thinkers*.

* using a very loose definition of "think."
 
2013-07-07 03:13:30 PM
When did "the popular vote" become the litmus test? When women weren't allow to vote? When blacks were 3/5ths of a person? When interracial marriage was against the law? When gays and lesbians were denied equal rights?

Our history is LITTERED with conservatives hating that others get the same rights as they do. SO... We get all this "how the fark can we make it so we can continue to be racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic assholes"? work.

I'd add: Do you notice when conservatives talk about the horror of gay marriage, it is ALWAYS about two men? Never two women. These old, fat white dudes with tiny dicks have some SERIOUS latent tendencies.
 
2013-07-07 03:13:54 PM

b2theory: Don't these people realize they are advocating for watered down fascism? We don't like the will of the people so we will find an alternative way to force our vision.


In fairness, the WSJ did just write a love letter to Pinochet for making a business friendly climate in the wake of the coup. Say what you like about the effect of wealth inequality, internment, torture and death squads, but he certainly turned their economy around for guest corporations, didn't he?

Corporatocracy and cronyism as side effects of the corruption of economic neoliberalism? Those are just side effects. The key is to make the trains run on time, and secure an underclass of peons. The Mexicans got one thing right, at least, amirite?
 
2013-07-07 03:14:11 PM
I wonder if the bright lights at American Thinker realize that there was a very good reason we went to the direct election of senators back in the early 20th century.

It's kinda like the people who carp about states' rights and the overreaching feds but we tried a loose confederation back in the 1780s and it didn't work so well.
 
2013-07-07 03:14:41 PM

sno man: Here's an idea...  How about you don't let the elected carve up the districts?  Run your elections like every other first world nation (and a bunch of second) and have an independent agency whose only job is to run elections and set district boundries based on actual population changes and logical geographic and municipal boundries.  Even if it has to be state by state.

Never mind this appointment B.S.


Best suggestion I've seen is, a congressional district must be composed of contiguous census tracts.  Besides the fact that it would be an easy-to-implement solution and very difficult to gerrymander, I'd love to hear the Republicans argue why it would be improper, unconstitutional, un-American etc.
 
2013-07-07 03:15:32 PM

born_yesterday: hubiestubert: The Constitution: the only way to protect our liberties is to repeal it.

Yup. These are some DEEP thinkers...

In their defense, these truly are the best ideas they can come up with.


God bless their poor, dear, sweet hearts, they try so very hard don't they?
 
2013-07-07 03:22:12 PM
starves the federal beast

Well, that's a good way to start off your argument if you want it to be taken seriously.

/yes, I know... 'murikan stinker
 
2013-07-07 03:23:28 PM
"How to Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments"

Hey, if we're going to start repealing Amendments, 22 must be fair game also.
 
2013-07-07 03:24:36 PM
It is amusing seeing someone trying to argue that direct election of senators is somehow NOT representative of the will of each state and its citizens.
 
2013-07-07 03:25:03 PM
Of course. What could be more 'Murican than an aggressive, partisan power grab?

1. Gerrymander the majority of states to ensure Rethuglican majorities, for the next 10 years
2. Gerrymandered state legislatures elect all senators after taking away people's right to vote for them.
3. ???
4. Potato


F*ck you, Merkin Stinker. F*ck you up the ass, with a giant purple dildo.
 
2013-07-07 03:25:57 PM

hubiestubert: WorldCitizen: Well, of course with Republicans having successfully rigged, er, gerrymandered so many of the state/House elections in their favor in so many states, of they want to be able to do the same to the Senate. Gerrymander the state for Republican state house wins. Get the laws changed back for that state house to appoint Senators. Modern Republican reactionaries able to drag the US back into the 1800s. Win!

Oh the halcyon days of the Boom/Bust cycle! Truly, only when we are free of the tyranny of the majority of citizens, can we be truly free of these shackles that we call democracy. Democracy: the real enemy of freedom!


Because we don't live in a boom bust cycle now?

1953-52
1957-58
1960-61
1969-70
1973-75
1980-1982
1990-1991
2001-2001
2008-> present

All vary in severity but have been extant nonetheless.  federal reserve whagarble.

SAVE US BERNANKE WITH YOUR WIZARDRY!
 
2013-07-07 03:26:13 PM
Especially since the 'Pubs got to gerrymander the districts up in '10, American Stinker.
 
2013-07-07 03:30:22 PM
This article has inspired me to conduct my own independent comprehensive review of all of the constitutional amendments.

Amendments 1-10:  Really good ones.  Keep them.
Amendments 11-12:  Blah blah blah, don't understand them.  REPEAL!
Amendment 13:  Abolishes slavery.  Keep it.  Maybe add an apology for ever having it.
Amendment 14:  Sounds pretty good until we get to something about the validity of the public debt.  No one likes that.  REPEAL.
Amendment 15:  Let ex-slaves vote.  Keep it.  Another apology might be in order.
Amendment 16:  Gives the government power to collect taxes.  No brainer.  REPEAL!
Amendment 17:  Direct election of Senators.  REPEAL!  See Amendment 26, below.
Amendment 18:  Bans the sale of alcoholic beverages!!  Oh my God!  REPEAL!!!
Amendment 19:  Gives women the vote.  Keep it.  Perhaps add yet another apology.
Amendment 20:  Changes Inauguration Day to January, when it's cold.  REPEAL! Go back to March, when the weather is better.  Maybe even summer.
Amendment 21:  Repeals the 18th Amendment.  Phew!  Definitely keep this one.
Amendment 22:  Limits Presidents to two terms.  REPEAL!  We would have been better off with Bill Clinton still in office, or even Reagan's corpse.
Amendment 23:  Gives Washington DC representation in Congress.  REPEAL!  They all work for the government anyway, that's enough power.
Amendment 24:  Eliminates the poll tax.  I'd hate to pay to have to stand it line.  Keep it.
Amendment 25:  Something about presidential succession, I think this is linked somehow to Kennedy's assassination so keep it.
Amendment 26:  Lowers the voting age to 18.  Terrible, terrible idea, now that I'm in my 60's.  REPEAL!
 
2013-07-07 03:32:38 PM

TDBoedy: hubiestubert: WorldCitizen: Well, of course with Republicans having successfully rigged, er, gerrymandered so many of the state/House elections in their favor in so many states, of they want to be able to do the same to the Senate. Gerrymander the state for Republican state house wins. Get the laws changed back for that state house to appoint Senators. Modern Republican reactionaries able to drag the US back into the 1800s. Win!

Oh the halcyon days of the Boom/Bust cycle! Truly, only when we are free of the tyranny of the majority of citizens, can we be truly free of these shackles that we call democracy. Democracy: the real enemy of freedom!

Because we don't live in a boom bust cycle now?

1953-52
1957-58
1960-61
1969-70
1973-75
1980-1982
1990-1991
2001-2001
2008-> present

All vary in severity but have been extant nonetheless.  federal reserve whagarble.

SAVE US BERNANKE WITH YOUR WIZARDRY!


You haven't exactly been paying attention to what precipitated those, have you? Take a minute and then get back to us and then try to lay blame on the Federal Reserve entirely. We can wait while you take notes...
 
2013-07-07 03:32:41 PM

TDBoedy: All vary in severity but have been extant nonetheless. federal reserve whagarble.


Oh, please. How many of those had bank panics and bank runs?

The Federal Reserve isn't perfect but it's a sight better than what came before.
 
2013-07-07 03:32:58 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Does anyone other than Farkers actually read this stupid drivel?


Comedy. We read it for lulz.
 
2013-07-07 03:36:01 PM
I refuse to believe that the geniuses at American Thinker came up with this on their own.  Someone else came up with the idea and American Thinker is championing it now because it's the echo chamber thing to do, right?
 
2013-07-07 03:36:46 PM
The Civil War is over. America has changed. We've passed peak "white, Christian, male patriarchy". By 2020, these grumpy oldsters will be dead and we can move on.

How about deal with Gerrymandering first.
 
2013-07-07 03:41:47 PM
"It'd be kind of neat if we could do start over with just the first 12 amendments and keep it that way.  Yeah, yeah.  There's stuff in there about slaves and Indian nations, but the Indians don't seem to mind selling smokes with no federal taxes or opening casinos, and nobody owns slaves these days."

"The 16th Amendment and the Federal Reserve Act came straight from Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.....the 17th Amendment tilted the nation toward a pure democracy (clearly against the wishes of the Founding Fathers) by eliminating State legislatures representation in Congress"

"  As it Egypt, there will be no coup until starvation stalks the land.  Pray for economic collapse!  Slim as that hope is, it is the only chance to reestablish the Republic." 

"The 19th Amendment is also problematic because women (and teenagers) vote predominantly for socialist policies/politicians, thanks to the communist's success in diluting marriage, minimizing fathers & pushing women into the workforce.  At least require them to be property owners, as originally written.
Wimmin and kids have no "skin" in the game for the most part.  Why do we allow them, in effect, to vote themselves largesse from the public coffers?  Teenagers are too dumb and women are too emotional."


o_O

This is what Murican Potato readers really believe.
 
2013-07-07 03:47:48 PM
Repeal of the 16th Amendment starves the federal beast by depriving it of its consumption of money from the states and the taxpayers through income taxes.


Do they really think there is any chance in hell of this happening?
 
2013-07-07 03:48:57 PM

mediablitz: I'd add: Do you notice when conservatives talk about the horror of gay marriage, it is ALWAYS about two men? Never two women. These old, fat white dudes with tiny dicks have some SERIOUS latent tendencies.


Oh no, they are afraid of dykes as well. Its only lipstick lesbians that get a pass.
 
2013-07-07 03:50:00 PM
American Thinker makes this comic apropos to TWO threads today...

media.oglaf.com
 
2013-07-07 03:54:45 PM

TDBoedy: hubiestubert: WorldCitizen: Well, of course with Republicans having successfully rigged, er, gerrymandered so many of the state/House elections in their favor in so many states, of they want to be able to do the same to the Senate. Gerrymander the state for Republican state house wins. Get the laws changed back for that state house to appoint Senators. Modern Republican reactionaries able to drag the US back into the 1800s. Win!

Oh the halcyon days of the Boom/Bust cycle! Truly, only when we are free of the tyranny of the majority of citizens, can we be truly free of these shackles that we call democracy. Democracy: the real enemy of freedom!

Because we don't live in a boom bust cycle now?

1953-52
1957-58
1960-61
1969-70
1973-75
1980-1982
1990-1991
2001-2001
2008-> present

All vary in severity but have been extant nonetheless.  federal reserve whagarble.

SAVE US BERNANKE WITH YOUR WIZARDRY!


Me being pretty familiar with the causes and severity of all the panics, crashes, recessions, and depressions in US history makes me wonder if you studied history in an alternate timeline.
 
2013-07-07 03:54:47 PM

jst3p: Repeal of the 16th Amendment starves the federal beast by depriving it of its consumption of money from the states and the taxpayers through income taxes.


Do they really think there is any chance in hell of this happening?


These are folks who think that our President is simultaneously an empty suited tyrant Commie-Fascist-Socialist who is so domineering that his weakness led to the economic collapse of the housing market thanks to his time machine that FORCED people to invest in credit default swaps and undermine the American dollar so heavily, and coerced China to lend us money, while being the weakest President EVER that didn't have anything to do with getting Osama Bin Ladin and crushing all those who stood in his path for the White House.

They live in a little place called "Hope"...
 
2013-07-07 03:55:30 PM
fark you, fascists, I'll defend Barbara Mikulski with every firearm I can get my liberal Maryland hands on.
 
2013-07-07 03:56:21 PM
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-07 03:59:21 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Does anyone other than Farkers actually read this stupid drivel?


American Thinker is worse than the pot. 
Not even once.

cdn.cannabisclubber.com
 
2013-07-07 04:00:27 PM

spongeboob: The states can do this by individual vote; this way, a Constitutional Convention and the subsequent dangers presents to liberty can be avoided.

Someone got paid to write this sentence?
Why would a Constitutional Convention be a danger to liberty?

It would increase the sovereignty of the several states and restore true federalism back into our system of government.

What are the several states and what does the author think true federalism is?

/I am only about 3 paragraphs into this cluster fark.


Nothing bad can come from increasing state sovereignty. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_Sovereignty_Commissio n

http://sovereignstates.org/books/The_Sovereign_States/SovereignState s. html
 
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