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2013-07-07 10:45:52 AM
12 votes:
It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.
2013-07-07 01:52:54 PM
7 votes:

raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?


The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.
2013-07-07 03:16:44 PM
5 votes:
i1172.photobucket.com
2013-07-07 02:19:32 PM
5 votes:
Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?
2013-07-07 12:14:13 PM
5 votes:
Given the proximity to Culosi's death, residents could be forgiven for thinking the police department believed wagering on sports was a crime punishable by execution.

Why should the public be forgiven for seeing things as they were? Culosi was going to be picked up for gambling (entrapment says what?) and some douchebag officer decided to go full retard. They executed a man for gambling. The public shouldn't have to be convinced to see it any other way.
2013-07-07 03:58:37 PM
4 votes:

Astorix: It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


Indeed.  I remember either reading or watching something (I can't remember) that posited the idea that this breakdown began when cops quit walking beats around towns and got into increasingly-well-armored vehicles.  The idea was, that when we made this shift, the cops quit interacting with everyday people, and as such, lost touch with their communities.  The cops became a community unto themselves, and that's led to an "us vs. them" mentality, except that the "them" are the people they're supposed to be protecting.  From there, it's a natural progression for cops to become increasingly well-armed and aggressive.

I don't know how valid that theory is---but it makes some degree of sense.  Certainly the "neighborhood cop" is a thing of the past.  And it can't be totally coincidental that neighborhood beat cops disappeared around the same time that police respect for civilians' rights did.
2013-07-07 03:28:29 PM
4 votes:
When you have a nation driven to the point of fearing bottles of shampoo and all other nonsense they can imagine, you're going to have a terrified police force prone to overreacting.

In the cops' brains, they genuinely believe that this abuse of force is simply erring on the side of caution. To them, the next car they pull over will be the one carrying the nuke. The barking dog is the distraction the desperate dealer needs to put a bullet in their heads.

We like to think that cops are brave, but they are just as scared as every other American. Unfortunately, they have resources that most Americans don't.
2013-07-07 02:41:05 PM
4 votes:
Cops are scum.

Used to think differently, until so many cops have made it clear that they are scum.
2013-07-07 02:19:57 PM
4 votes:

LeroyBourne: Wow, who needs enemies when you got friends like that.  And how is this not entrapment?  The guy got him to raise....oh nvmd, 'merica.


All cops are heroes, citizen.  The only people who question the police are (right-wing lunatics/Occupy anarchists).  Remember 9/11!
2013-07-07 01:54:42 PM
4 votes:
In January 2011, the Culosi family accepted a $2 million settlement offer from Fairfax County. That same year, Virginia's government spent $20 million promoting the state lottery.

I wish they wouldn't settle these things.  I have a feeling a jury would show just how much the people are outraged.
2013-07-07 01:09:26 PM
4 votes:

nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.


For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.
2013-07-07 03:54:29 PM
3 votes:
I've said here before, in other contexts, that we live in a police state, and people scoff at it.  If we didn't live in a police state, then the public outrage over a story like this would be off the charts.*  In our modern new "if you're not doing anything wrong, what do you care" state, police feel free to blaze away so long as they can say, "We acted in good faith, we believed there was probably at least some reason to suspect a crime might be going on, and the guy didn't immediately fall to the ground and scream for mercy, so naturally we shot him."**

There's a direct line running from "9/11 Crying Eagle Never Forget!" through "Keep America Safe" through "Trust Us, We Have Your Best Interests at Heart" through "We Need to Spread These Billions in Secure the Sacred Fatherland Spending Around" to "Another Dangerous Football Bettor Has Been Delivered Final Justice."

People sure do get furious about redlight cameras though.  So we've still got that.


*Assuming the victims are white, that is.  Otherwise it's a crapshoot.  For which you can be gunned down.
**Not all cops, but the police state over time fosters this kind of "us against the world" mentality.
2013-07-07 03:54:22 PM
3 votes:
You know, instead of paying attention to the Kardashians, Teen Mom and all that other crap, this should be headline news that everybody is aware of.  Seriously, if a little small stakes gambling among friends and co-workers is now a federal offense comparable to terrorism, we are already in deep doo-doo.  Because, what's next?
2013-07-07 03:16:59 PM
3 votes:
looking back through history, the only thing militarization of the police seems to do anywhere in the world is breed mafias and destroy communities

i mean if the Russian mafia could become a thing under Stalinism, then no amount of security means squat at the end of the day, you're screwed either way
2013-07-07 02:43:34 PM
3 votes:
The only good cop is a dead cop
2013-07-07 02:33:01 PM
3 votes:

keytronic: Well, when Bill Clinton boasted about putting 1 million new cops on the street, what did you think would happen.

Policing is fundamentally a bureaucratic endeavor.  When a police force gets a budget boost, they HAVE to use that money or they will lose it.  Consider a dept in a medium sized town that  gets an extra 1.5 million a year for a swat team. They may only legitimately need to use the swat force a handful of times a year.  A few years down the road, the bean counters in the city might decide that due to stats that indicate low use the swat team should take a 500k cut (and maybe transfer some of the full-time swat staff to a different dept).

Well the force doesn't want that, and the swat guys who enjoy their position of status CERTAINLY don't want that.  So you see the use of Swat teams in situations that really don't need it to boost the stats and justify continued funding.


The police agencies themselves also profit from the sale of seized articles, particularly property.  This was a long article, but it could have filled a book.  Wasn't it in MA recently that the cops tried to seize some guy's privately owned motel property, claiming that the dozen or so crimes that occurred in the past 10 years were a pattern of unlawful activity or some such shiat, while local major retailers like Home Depot had more crimes in a shorter time period?  It was disclosed that the local cops had a guy whose job it was to look up property that was free and clear (no mortgage or outstanding notes) and then cross-reference the addresses with police reports to manufacture cases against law-abiding property owners in order to seize and sell the property.
2013-07-07 02:25:59 PM
3 votes:
Every local community should document each individual on their police force as to where they live and who are members of their family.
2013-07-07 02:21:55 PM
3 votes:

SithLord: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.


The Obama Administration is trying to make sure you can't do that.


No, decades of increasingly-advanced police and military armor, weapons and tactics that far outclass any wannabe revolutionary's arsenal are making sure you can't do that.
2013-07-07 02:16:18 PM
3 votes:
Reading a book is no defence.

www.compleatseanbean.com
2013-07-07 02:11:57 PM
3 votes:
fark the police
2013-07-07 12:22:59 PM
3 votes:
local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. They issued forty-one citations, all of them misdemeanors.

Impressive.

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
2013-07-07 08:04:23 PM
2 votes:

Shostie: nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[i681.photobucket.com image 383x300]


You know, I seriously can't stand eye rolling farks like you who think it's just so amusing when people get angry about what this country is becoming.  Like you're above being worried about living in a police state.  You suck.
2013-07-07 05:07:23 PM
2 votes:

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Paramedics.  WTF is a cop gonna do besides bother me with questions while I'm bleeding to death?
2013-07-07 04:04:43 PM
2 votes:
i1182.photobucket.com
2013-07-07 04:02:37 PM
2 votes:
farm5.staticflickr.com

The first frog to get out of the pot will become the next George Washington. The notion that we're even remotely as "free" as we like to believe is laughably dismissible.
2013-07-07 03:45:28 PM
2 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: /incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


Might stop the first cop, and it might slow down cops #2 through #8, but by cop #9 your millibar, whatever that is, is going to start looking a bit shaky.  Cop #12 will be the first through the door.

You will run out of bullets before they run out of cops.  That's just how it works.  You can't defend yourself this way.
2013-07-07 03:42:52 PM
2 votes:
From reading the article, it would seem that we've already been living in a police state.  Intentional or unintentional execution by a law enforcement officer without the benefit of a trial is a bit disturbing and entirely unacceptable.  Especially when the alleged "crimes" were not even crimes!

/wake up America
//government at every level is rather out-of-control
2013-07-07 02:42:09 PM
2 votes:
All cops are heroes, citizen.  The only people who question the police are (right-wing lunatics/Occupy anarchists).  Remember 9/11!

man, I really wish I could move somewhere the cops can only beat you with billy clubs and not shoot you, you know, one of the backwards commie pinko nanny-states like the United Kingdom or Norway.
2013-07-07 02:38:51 PM
2 votes:
It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.
2013-07-07 02:35:20 PM
2 votes:
I tend to sympathize with cops. They have dangerous jobs, and they risk being hurt or killed every time they go to work. I was brought up to respect police officers and other first responders, because they are fellow humans and they often risk danger to help us.

HOWEVER, the more I read lately, the tougher it is to be sympathetic. I'm sure there are plenty of really great police officers who wouldn't hestitate to help any member of the public. I'm sure there are many who are conscientious and kind and brave. There seem to be more and more stories (or perhaps just more widely reported) of cops who do this stupid shiat, and end up going way overboard. There seems to be a more 'us vs them' mentality, and it turns out badly for those deemed the enemy (a few middle aged guys betting on college sports...really?).

As much as I support cops in general, I truly hope the ones who do this sort of thing get what they deserve. Their fellow cops need to stop covering up for them and supporting them when they f*ck up.
2013-07-07 02:26:11 PM
2 votes:

raerae1980: So, what are you gonna do? What can we do?


Stop electing people who are tough on crime. Start supporting politicians who are opposed to crimes of "vice". Start supporting heavy punitive damages against paramilitary forces that engage in this type of behavior.

In other words, something.

Since Americans are lazy, worthless, cowardly little shiats, what will happen instead is nothing.
2013-07-07 02:20:20 PM
2 votes:
don't tase me, bro.
2013-07-07 11:39:54 AM
2 votes:

nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.


i681.photobucket.com
2013-07-07 11:14:42 AM
2 votes:

Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]


Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?
2013-07-08 09:56:53 AM
1 votes:
A little Godwin before its over ...

When they just harassed black people, I didn't worry because I wasn't black ...

When they just harassed Mexicans ,I didn't worry because I wasn't Mexican ...

When they started harassing me, everyone else just pointed and said, "Welcome to our world you stupid cracker."

2013-07-07 08:35:49 PM
1 votes:

skozlaw: Really? How does a police department that is charged with investigating crimes learn things about potential criminal targets? Really?


So Americans do everything they can to prevent the govt knowing what guns they might have purchased or acquired (with the subtext being that if they don't know if you've got them they have to assume you've got them so they can't oppress you), then complain when it's hard to find out what guns someone might have purchased or acquired and the cops have to assume you've got them?

The whole uber-militarised police thing is a logical extension of the whole semi-militarised society that a lot of people seem to think they want, ie everyone should have a firearm to launch a revolution or resist the govt at the drop of a hat.

Would cops having to out-gun the populace be considered and unintended consequence?
2013-07-07 08:25:23 PM
1 votes:

pxlboy: Except that they aren't kicking in the doors of some middle-aged teabagger gun nut, are they?


How do they know? They can't exactly check the local gun registry can they...
2013-07-07 08:23:01 PM
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


FYI, I assume you do not plan on having windows or any other openings that are large enough for a human body to pass?  I also suppose that your walls will be of similar or stronger construction to prevent them from just leaving the door alone?  At that point, why arent you just living in a bunker?

Hope you enjoy the mold due to a lack of fresh air....

If you are going to do it, look at the decommissioned Minuteman silos, a 3+ ton door minimizes ANY chance of a surprise entry.  Then again, so does the fact that living in one requires you to live in BFE nowhere.

/wont link the video of the SWAT team bashing on the apartment door.
2013-07-07 08:01:58 PM
1 votes:
I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?

Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?
2013-07-07 05:00:22 PM
1 votes:
eventhelosers:

yeah how about NO, that's farking sick

No, what was sick was what was suggested be done to the kid if a cop killed an innocent person & essentially walked away, that was disgusting.  A bloody nose & a few scrapes that will heal in a day or two to send a strong message might do the trick for some (& it might send others completely over the edge).  However you have to admit that if an entire community is intelligence gathering on it's police force & doing this that it is WAY too far gone for administrative changes.  At that point it is only a couple of short steps to essentially open warfare.

Again, I'm not encouraging this nor saying that we're there yet, but things are getting to a critical point in a lot of places.  It isn't just the poor areas & those of darker hues that are being abused by the police.  I hope that the police recognize the dangerous direction that they are pushing people in, I fear that they don't, but I hope they do & take corrective action soon.
2013-07-07 04:50:15 PM
1 votes:

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


"Thank you for calling 911.  We're sorry, all our officers are raiding a Saturday poker night in Fred's rumpus room.  We will respond to your emergency in the order your call was received.  Your call is important to us, so stay on the line to take this short survey for quality purposes."
2013-07-07 04:33:40 PM
1 votes:
It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down.    What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.   There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this.
  We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions.  We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.
2013-07-07 04:31:52 PM
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


Just make it a solid wood door, and a few nice long bolts (make sure they are screwed into the actual frame with long and strong screws).

www.thehardwarehut.com

Maybe line the inside of the door with a thick sheet of metal.

Of course, the most secure door in the world is useless if it's next to an open window, so you have to be sure to secure the other possible entries, too.
2013-07-07 04:29:24 PM
1 votes:
2013-07-07 04:27:38 PM
1 votes:
Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing -  The only way that this is going to change is from within.  The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems.  Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable).  The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done.  That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price.  You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing.  If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in.  You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasing

Again, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results.

/still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids
2013-07-07 04:16:16 PM
1 votes:
FTFA:  WE KICKED YOUR FATHER'S ASS IN 1968 . . . WAIT 'TIL YOU SEE WHAT WE DO TO YOU!

i560.photobucket.com

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again. I think I'll stick to that decision. Meanwhile, TFA makes me wonder whether the US is a third-world banana-republic with a first-world facade. I think you guys might be in some deep shiat, and it'll only get worse.

...But then again, it might not be as bad as it looks from the other side of the Atlantic

 

skozlaw: Stop electing people who are tough on crime. Start supporting politicians who are opposed to crimes of "vice". Start supporting heavy punitive damages against paramilitary forces that engage in this type of behavior.


Hm. Sounds like "hope and change."

/my local politicians are all of the "drill baby drill" mentality
//voting green this fall
///hope they mean it
2013-07-07 04:03:10 PM
1 votes:
♫♪ The gang and the government are no different. ♫♪
2013-07-07 04:00:21 PM
1 votes:

Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


In the world of Nemo's Bunghole and the rest of the teatards, facts are not really useful in a discussion.

You cannot reason them out of a position they didn't reason them selves into. Obama is a libby lib lib commie to them, and they hate him (amd you) EVEN MORE when you point out he's really a Republican.
2013-07-07 04:00:07 PM
1 votes:

SomethingToDo: Wow, this thread is essentially two groups of people with differently shaped foil caps arguing over whether folding the foil on the edges or twisting it at the top is the best protection against gubmint moonbeams

/OBAMA!
/THE PIGS!


i just don't think pointing bazookas at everything that moves is a great way to make the world a safer place
2013-07-07 03:50:07 PM
1 votes:

Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.


It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio
2013-07-07 03:47:49 PM
1 votes:
The largest, most well armed gang that is immortal, has infinite resources, and a legal monopoly on violence.
2013-07-07 03:41:57 PM
1 votes:

Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?


How on Earth was this not deemed entrapment? It boggles the mind.
2013-07-07 03:40:18 PM
1 votes:

nmemkha: Tatterdemalian: Psycoholic_Slag: Start burning and looting baby.  We outnumber the cops, somebody should figure out a way to turn that into a tactical advantage.

We already know all the ways to turn that into a tactical advantage. Every single one of them would make us as bad as the cops, and probably worse, with the leaders we put into power the worst of all.

/literally by the very standards that required the revolution in the first place
//that's the price you pay when you base your revolution on opinions and beliefs instead of facts and rational thought

The twist is that by the time the enough justification for said revolution arrives to get the proles off their asses, the power to execute it successfully is usually complete gone.

To paraphrase a certain princess, this is how freedom dies.


Depends on whether you mean rational or emotional justification, and whether "success" means "successfully destroying the old government" or "successfully replacing it with something that meets the revolution's moral standards, instead of making a mockery of them." Using emotional justification to successfully destroy the old government has a long history of resounding success, all throughout the 19th and 20th centuries from the French Revolution onward, and is quite possibly the only way to overthrow a government that even allows the illusion of democratic process. Rational justification, on the other hand, is quite a bit more hit-and-miss, but when it does succeed, like the American Revolution, the results are pretty goddamn amazing.
2013-07-07 03:38:10 PM
1 votes:
Lately, they've been deploying SWAT teams to raid adult book stores and theaters....

wtflolomgbbq.no-ip.org:88


A more recent example here.

Because, really, who wants to take a chance that some pervert might start spraying the police. amiright?
2013-07-07 03:29:39 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: I'll bet a large percentage of cops are right-wing lunatics of one sort or another.

They're statists whose politics are irrelevant to the problem at hand, the dismissal of these tactics by partisan lemmings like you, something the author went to great pains to highlight if you had bothered reading the whole article.  Part of the problem is exactly what you're doing, ascribing a certain political ideology to these horrible abuses in order to insulate your own.


I did read the article and your objections to my comments are irrelevant.

Anyone who worships guns, order, compliance, power and authority is a right-wing lunatic in my book.  If they wear uniforms, even more so.
2013-07-07 03:29:05 PM
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian: Psycoholic_Slag: Start burning and looting baby.  We outnumber the cops, somebody should figure out a way to turn that into a tactical advantage.

We already know all the ways to turn that into a tactical advantage. Every single one of them would make us as bad as the cops, and probably worse, with the leaders we put into power the worst of all.

/literally by the very standards that required the revolution in the first place
//that's the price you pay when you base your revolution on opinions and beliefs instead of facts and rational thought


The twist is that by the time the enough justification for said revolution arrives to get the proles off their asses, the power to execute it successfully is usually complete gone.

To paraphrase a certain princess, this is how freedom dies.
2013-07-07 03:27:58 PM
1 votes:
This makes me so angry. I am going to start a blog about it.
2013-07-07 03:23:36 PM
1 votes:

Psycoholic_Slag: Start burning and looting baby.  We outnumber the cops, somebody should figure out a way to turn that into a tactical advantage.


We already know all the ways to turn that into a tactical advantage. Every single one of them would make us as bad as the cops, and probably worse, with the leaders we put into power the worst of all.

/literally by the very standards that required the revolution in the first place
//that's the price you pay when you base your revolution on opinions and beliefs instead of facts and rational thought
2013-07-07 03:18:16 PM
1 votes:

raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

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Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?


Start burning and looting baby.  We outnumber the cops, somebody should figure out a way to turn that into a tactical advantage.
2013-07-07 03:14:55 PM
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Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: I'll bet a large percentage of cops are right-wing lunatics of one sort or another.


They're statists whose politics are irrelevant to the problem at hand, the dismissal of these tactics by partisan lemmings like you, something the author went to great pains to highlight if you had bothered reading the whole article.  Part of the problem is exactly what you're doing, ascribing a certain political ideology to these horrible abuses in order to insulate your own.
2013-07-07 03:10:02 PM
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No knock raids are a simple way to setup the violence that is claimed they are trying ti prevent.

Reality is the armed and dangerous people are far more likely to give up if they know they have already lost. Statistically speaking I'm sure 90% of raids with 20 or more dudes armed to
the teeth show up to the door tell you that you lose I'm sure it's all over but the shouting.

Burst in the door unannounced and catch a violent criminal off guard what does he know it could be hommie down the way or cartel hitmen or biker enforcers comming to end him fark yeah the idiot is gonna start shooting.


I'm saying this full well knowing thats what the cops would do.... Damn I would wouldnt you?

Put people in those shoot or its your ass positions and that's what they will do.

I work early in the morning in a big building about 4 blocks away from q pretty massive police station so I see half the tactidal squad in full gear getting coffee at the same place I do and I cant help but laugh when I see them thinking damn someone is about to have a really bad day.

I always hope it's not like te other week when at 5 am they kick down some ladies door whither her 2 kids in bed pointing machine guns at her screaming in a language she barely understands while her husband is out driving cab ti support them anyway he can
2013-07-07 02:50:28 PM
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LeroyBourne: PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.

I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game.  The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in.  Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs.  When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.


That's about how our poker night went.  And the big winner of the night had to buy the snacks on the next poker night.
2013-07-07 02:48:35 PM
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wide_eyed: As much as I support cops in general, I truly hope the ones who do this sort of thing get what they deserve. Their fellow cops need to stop covering up for them and supporting them when they f*ck up.


THIS.

I have always believed that "bad apples bring everybody down" and that "good" cops (or firefighters, or teachers, or whatever-profession) have a moral and professional obligation NOT to support the bad-among-them (and every profession has its miscreants).  But by clinging to "no-snitch" mantras and defending bad cops simply because they're cops, they're doing themselves a disservice in the long run.

And we're seeing the results right here -- in the ever-growing public mistrust of what used to be unimpeachable professions.
2013-07-07 02:38:26 PM
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Fark It:
The police agencies themselves also profit from the sale of seized articles, particularly property.  This was a long article, but it could have filled a book.  Wasn't it in MA recently that the cops tried to seize some guy's privately owned motel property, claiming that the dozen or so crimes that occurred in the past 10 years were a pattern of unlawful activity or some such shiat, while local major retailers like Home Depot had more crimes in a shorter time period?  It was disclosed that the local cops had a guy whose job it was to look up property that was free and clear (no mortgage or outstanding notes) and then cross-reference the addresses with police reports to manufacture cases against law-abiding property owners in order to seize and sell the property.

Great point.  People need to see the link:  an increase in confiscated property ultimately translates into money in the budget that sort of acts as a buffer between the municipally imposed budget and the dept's needs.  More money for the dept means more of a cushion for new equipment but more importantly perks that directly benefit officers like overtime.
2013-07-07 02:25:41 PM
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While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.
2013-07-07 02:24:26 PM
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Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.


How does your pig-proof door work?
2013-07-07 02:24:13 PM
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raerae1980: So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?



If you can't beat them, join them.  SWAT team members tend not to get SWAT raided.  Also, those in the prosecutor's office.  Send in your applications now!
2013-07-07 02:23:55 PM
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Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


I was thinking more along the lines of a trap door/pit with shiat smeared punji sticks as soon as the door threshold is breached.
2013-07-07 02:23:20 PM
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Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


....it's giant bribes to the police, isn't it?
2013-07-07 02:21:53 PM
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Radley Balko is a great writer.  I recommend following him on Twitter.
2013-07-07 02:19:11 PM
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Barfmaker: local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. They issued forty-one citations, all of them misdemeanors.

Impressive.

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.


That's how you know you have a BAD cop: when they fark up royally, they still issue tickets.
2013-07-07 02:18:13 PM
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Wow, who needs enemies when you got friends like that.  And how is this not entrapment?  The guy got him to raise....oh nvmd, 'merica.
2013-07-07 02:17:55 PM
1 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.


This is me asking....
2013-07-07 02:13:19 PM
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Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.



The Obama Administration is trying to make sure you can't do that.
2013-07-07 10:56:31 AM
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It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

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