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2013-07-07 10:45:52 AM
It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.
 
2013-07-07 10:56:31 AM
It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

generatormeme.com
 
2013-07-07 11:14:42 AM

Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]


Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?
 
2013-07-07 11:39:31 AM

nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?


So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?
 
2013-07-07 11:39:54 AM

nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.


i681.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-07 12:14:13 PM
Given the proximity to Culosi's death, residents could be forgiven for thinking the police department believed wagering on sports was a crime punishable by execution.

Why should the public be forgiven for seeing things as they were? Culosi was going to be picked up for gambling (entrapment says what?) and some douchebag officer decided to go full retard. They executed a man for gambling. The public shouldn't have to be convinced to see it any other way.
 
2013-07-07 12:22:59 PM
local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. They issued forty-one citations, all of them misdemeanors.

Impressive.

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
 
2013-07-07 01:09:26 PM

nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.


For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.
 
2013-07-07 01:52:54 PM

raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?


The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.
 
2013-07-07 01:54:42 PM
In January 2011, the Culosi family accepted a $2 million settlement offer from Fairfax County. That same year, Virginia's government spent $20 million promoting the state lottery.

I wish they wouldn't settle these things.  I have a feeling a jury would show just how much the people are outraged.
 
2013-07-07 02:11:57 PM
fark the police
 
2013-07-07 02:13:19 PM

Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.



The Obama Administration is trying to make sure you can't do that.
 
2013-07-07 02:14:05 PM

Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.


That's going to happen first.

/ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.
 
2013-07-07 02:16:18 PM
Reading a book is no defence.

www.compleatseanbean.com
 
2013-07-07 02:16:38 PM
"Now I'll never know how it ends!"
 
2013-07-07 02:17:18 PM
Was the book Silas Marner? Maybe it was a mercy killing.
 
2013-07-07 02:17:55 PM

Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.


This is me asking....
 
2013-07-07 02:18:13 PM
Wow, who needs enemies when you got friends like that.  And how is this not entrapment?  The guy got him to raise....oh nvmd, 'merica.
 
2013-07-07 02:19:11 PM

Barfmaker: local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. They issued forty-one citations, all of them misdemeanors.

Impressive.

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.


That's how you know you have a BAD cop: when they fark up royally, they still issue tickets.
 
2013-07-07 02:19:32 PM
Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?
 
2013-07-07 02:19:57 PM

LeroyBourne: Wow, who needs enemies when you got friends like that.  And how is this not entrapment?  The guy got him to raise....oh nvmd, 'merica.


All cops are heroes, citizen.  The only people who question the police are (right-wing lunatics/Occupy anarchists).  Remember 9/11!
 
2013-07-07 02:20:12 PM

SithLord: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.


The Obama Administration is trying to make sure you can't do that.


Oh, FFS...
 
2013-07-07 02:20:20 PM
don't tase me, bro.
 
2013-07-07 02:20:45 PM

humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....


No Smeggy, don't fall for it, he's a cop, planning a raid on your compound!
 
2013-07-07 02:20:51 PM

humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....


You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials
 
2013-07-07 02:21:53 PM
Radley Balko is a great writer.  I recommend following him on Twitter.
 
2013-07-07 02:21:55 PM

SithLord: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.


The Obama Administration is trying to make sure you can't do that.


No, decades of increasingly-advanced police and military armor, weapons and tactics that far outclass any wannabe revolutionary's arsenal are making sure you can't do that.
 
2013-07-07 02:22:09 PM

Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?


I'm pretty sure the article said that it was a different cop who hadn't slept in however many hours and shot the guy.

But yeah.  Ugh.
 
2013-07-07 02:22:35 PM

Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?


Well, not quite... a second cop shot him.
 
2013-07-07 02:22:57 PM

Dafatone: Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?

I'm pretty sure the article said that it was a different cop who hadn't slept in however many hours and shot the guy.

But yeah.  Ugh.


Ah, thank you. Apparently I haven't gotten enough sleep today.
 
2013-07-07 02:23:20 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


....it's giant bribes to the police, isn't it?
 
2013-07-07 02:23:55 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


I was thinking more along the lines of a trap door/pit with shiat smeared punji sticks as soon as the door threshold is breached.
 
2013-07-07 02:24:13 PM

raerae1980: So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?



If you can't beat them, join them.  SWAT team members tend not to get SWAT raided.  Also, those in the prosecutor's office.  Send in your applications now!
 
2013-07-07 02:24:26 PM

Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.


How does your pig-proof door work?
 
2013-07-07 02:24:29 PM
Seconds later, Det. Deval Bullock, who had been on duty since 4:00 AM and hadn't slept in seventeen hours, fired a bullet that pierced Culosi's heart.

He should have minded the Bullocks.
 
2013-07-07 02:25:29 PM

Smeggy Smurf: You can't afford it. It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes. But it damned well will scoff at even a .50


I should think about getting into this industry...

I live in an area that's incredibly poor, and kept that way, but there are a LOT of people with money around here who have a lot of fear of the local population. Home invasions are not uncommon, but random acts of violence in another person's home generally are uncommon (now, acts of violence involving associated people, addicts, and the like...).
 
2013-07-07 02:25:41 PM
While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.
 
2013-07-07 02:25:59 PM
Every local community should document each individual on their police force as to where they live and who are members of their family.
 
2013-07-07 02:26:11 PM

raerae1980: So, what are you gonna do? What can we do?


Stop electing people who are tough on crime. Start supporting politicians who are opposed to crimes of "vice". Start supporting heavy punitive damages against paramilitary forces that engage in this type of behavior.

In other words, something.

Since Americans are lazy, worthless, cowardly little shiats, what will happen instead is nothing.
 
2013-07-07 02:27:58 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.

That's going to happen first.

/ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.


I was inquiring about the pig-proof door design.  As a future homeowner, I am curious.
 
2013-07-07 02:28:04 PM
Well, when Bill Clinton boasted about putting 1 million new cops on the street, what did you think would happen.

Policing is fundamentally a bureaucratic endeavor.  When a police force gets a budget boost, they HAVE to use that money or they will lose it.  Consider a dept in a medium sized town that  gets an extra 1.5 million a year for a swat team. They may only legitimately need to use the swat force a handful of times a year.  A few years down the road, the bean counters in the city might decide that due to stats that indicate low use the swat team should take a 500k cut (and maybe transfer some of the full-time swat staff to a different dept).

Well the force doesn't want that, and the swat guys who enjoy their position of status CERTAINLY don't want that.  So you see the use of Swat teams in situations that really don't need it to boost the stats and justify continued funding.
 
2013-07-07 02:32:18 PM
Smeggy Smurf:

/ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

Tell us all.
 
2013-07-07 02:33:01 PM

keytronic: Well, when Bill Clinton boasted about putting 1 million new cops on the street, what did you think would happen.

Policing is fundamentally a bureaucratic endeavor.  When a police force gets a budget boost, they HAVE to use that money or they will lose it.  Consider a dept in a medium sized town that  gets an extra 1.5 million a year for a swat team. They may only legitimately need to use the swat force a handful of times a year.  A few years down the road, the bean counters in the city might decide that due to stats that indicate low use the swat team should take a 500k cut (and maybe transfer some of the full-time swat staff to a different dept).

Well the force doesn't want that, and the swat guys who enjoy their position of status CERTAINLY don't want that.  So you see the use of Swat teams in situations that really don't need it to boost the stats and justify continued funding.


The police agencies themselves also profit from the sale of seized articles, particularly property.  This was a long article, but it could have filled a book.  Wasn't it in MA recently that the cops tried to seize some guy's privately owned motel property, claiming that the dozen or so crimes that occurred in the past 10 years were a pattern of unlawful activity or some such shiat, while local major retailers like Home Depot had more crimes in a shorter time period?  It was disclosed that the local cops had a guy whose job it was to look up property that was free and clear (no mortgage or outstanding notes) and then cross-reference the addresses with police reports to manufacture cases against law-abiding property owners in order to seize and sell the property.
 
2013-07-07 02:35:20 PM
I tend to sympathize with cops. They have dangerous jobs, and they risk being hurt or killed every time they go to work. I was brought up to respect police officers and other first responders, because they are fellow humans and they often risk danger to help us.

HOWEVER, the more I read lately, the tougher it is to be sympathetic. I'm sure there are plenty of really great police officers who wouldn't hestitate to help any member of the public. I'm sure there are many who are conscientious and kind and brave. There seem to be more and more stories (or perhaps just more widely reported) of cops who do this stupid shiat, and end up going way overboard. There seems to be a more 'us vs them' mentality, and it turns out badly for those deemed the enemy (a few middle aged guys betting on college sports...really?).

As much as I support cops in general, I truly hope the ones who do this sort of thing get what they deserve. Their fellow cops need to stop covering up for them and supporting them when they f*ck up.
 
2013-07-07 02:35:47 PM
O'Neal, an aspiring lawman, had been made an "honorary deputy" with the department. Though he had no training as a SWAT officer, Shaq apparently had gone on several such raids with other police departments around the country. The thrill of bringing an untrained celebrity along apparently trumped the requirement that SWAT teams be staffed only with the most elite, most highly qualified and best-trained cops.

www.pinballrebel.com
 
2013-07-07 02:36:25 PM
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2013-07-07 02:36:41 PM
FTA: "Using the taxpayers' resources for such useless Gestapo-like tactics is more of a crime than is playing of the game. "

But they're wrong- the Gestapo always knocked first.
 
2013-07-07 02:38:26 PM
Fark It:
The police agencies themselves also profit from the sale of seized articles, particularly property.  This was a long article, but it could have filled a book.  Wasn't it in MA recently that the cops tried to seize some guy's privately owned motel property, claiming that the dozen or so crimes that occurred in the past 10 years were a pattern of unlawful activity or some such shiat, while local major retailers like Home Depot had more crimes in a shorter time period?  It was disclosed that the local cops had a guy whose job it was to look up property that was free and clear (no mortgage or outstanding notes) and then cross-reference the addresses with police reports to manufacture cases against law-abiding property owners in order to seize and sell the property.

Great point.  People need to see the link:  an increase in confiscated property ultimately translates into money in the budget that sort of acts as a buffer between the municipally imposed budget and the dept's needs.  More money for the dept means more of a cushion for new equipment but more importantly perks that directly benefit officers like overtime.
 
2013-07-07 02:38:51 PM
It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.
 
2013-07-07 02:41:05 PM
Cops are scum.

Used to think differently, until so many cops have made it clear that they are scum.
 
2013-07-07 02:41:22 PM

nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.


 You've been counted, Thought Criminal #8879700

Write down this number and report to your Kommissar at the nearest railroad station.   Don't forget warm clothes and a shovel!

Thanks to the People's Cube, we have been protected.
 
2013-07-07 02:42:09 PM
All cops are heroes, citizen.  The only people who question the police are (right-wing lunatics/Occupy anarchists).  Remember 9/11!

man, I really wish I could move somewhere the cops can only beat you with billy clubs and not shoot you, you know, one of the backwards commie pinko nanny-states like the United Kingdom or Norway.
 
2013-07-07 02:42:43 PM

Meesterjojo: FTA: "Using the taxpayers' resources for such useless Gestapo-like tactics is more of a crime than is playing of the game. "

But they're wrong- the Gestapo always knocked first.


Of course, then they'd disappear you and your entire family, so let's not go full retard just yet.
 
2013-07-07 02:42:44 PM
Pork is an unclean meat.
 
m00
2013-07-07 02:42:53 PM
But gamblers hat us for our freedoms.
 
m00
2013-07-07 02:43:28 PM

m00: But gamblers hat us for our freedoms.


hate
 
2013-07-07 02:43:33 PM

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keytronic
:
So you see the use of Swat teams in situations that really don't need it to boost the stats and justify continued funding.

 
2013-07-07 02:43:34 PM
The only good cop is a dead cop
 
2013-07-07 02:46:06 PM

PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.


I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game.  The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in.  Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs.  When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.
 
2013-07-07 02:48:35 PM

wide_eyed: As much as I support cops in general, I truly hope the ones who do this sort of thing get what they deserve. Their fellow cops need to stop covering up for them and supporting them when they f*ck up.


THIS.

I have always believed that "bad apples bring everybody down" and that "good" cops (or firefighters, or teachers, or whatever-profession) have a moral and professional obligation NOT to support the bad-among-them (and every profession has its miscreants).  But by clinging to "no-snitch" mantras and defending bad cops simply because they're cops, they're doing themselves a disservice in the long run.

And we're seeing the results right here -- in the ever-growing public mistrust of what used to be unimpeachable professions.
 
2013-07-07 02:50:28 PM

LeroyBourne: PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.

I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game.  The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in.  Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs.  When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.


That's about how our poker night went.  And the big winner of the night had to buy the snacks on the next poker night.
 
2013-07-07 02:52:10 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


Is that the hipster version of a prepper?

If you were serious about it, you wouldn't bother talking about rams or .50 cal. You would be talking in terms of minutes.
 
2013-07-07 02:52:25 PM

LeroyBourne: PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.

I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game.  The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in.  Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs.  When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.


You're the enemy of everything that America stands for!  Not really.  Unless you play those floofy pseudo-poker games with a dozen wild cards.  Then I stand by my assertion!

/I doubt it, though
//Few people want to play those when money is on the line
 
2013-07-07 02:54:46 PM
Nobody is going to care enough to take effective action until we elect a Republican president. The closest we'll get to taking action will be telling people they are risking their lives making casual bets among friends and co-workers. Any further investigation will be branded conspiracy theory, and probably racist too.

/so vote Republican
//your freedom actually does depend on it
 
2013-07-07 02:55:17 PM
I recognize this won't be a popular viewpoint, but until cops are paid better -- which would allow cities the luxury of NOT having to employ every other malcontent bully who fills out an application form, but instead hire the better men and women out there who would be seeking that better salary -- then this trend will continue.

If you gotta have a warm body out there, some places will cut corners, and that includes hiring men and women who are only 60 percent ethical, rather than 99 percent ethical.

((The above also applies to teachers, in my opinion. If I won a 200 million dollar lottery, I'd fund a school system with $80,000-a-year elementary-school teachers just to see what happens.))
 
2013-07-07 02:57:22 PM

OgreMagi: LeroyBourne: PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.

I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game.  The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in.  Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs.  When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.

That's about how our poker night went.  And the big winner of the night had to buy the snacks on the next poker night.


Do you have that 'one' guy, you know the one who biatches and moans when he loses and wants his money back, then you have to calmly explain the definition of gambling to him?  He's a nice guy, he just gets stupid everyonceinawhile.
 
2013-07-07 02:58:26 PM

Tatterdemalian: Nobody is going to care enough to take effective action until we elect a Republican president. The closest we'll get to taking action will be telling people they are risking their lives making casual bets among friends and co-workers. Any further investigation will be branded conspiracy theory, and probably racist too.

/so vote Republican
//your freedom actually does depend on it


I watched Dick Cheney phone into Fox News to lend support to President Obama in the Snowden affair. It was like I got sucked into an episode of the Twilight Zone.
 
2013-07-07 03:01:53 PM

LeroyBourne: OgreMagi: LeroyBourne: PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.

I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game.  The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in.  Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs.  When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.

That's about how our poker night went.  And the big winner of the night had to buy the snacks on the next poker night.

Do you have that 'one' guy, you know the one who biatches and moans when he loses and wants his money back, then you have to calmly explain the definition of gambling to him?  He's a nice guy, he just gets stupid everyonceinawhile.


Nope.  If we had "that guy", he wouldn't have been asked back.
 
2013-07-07 03:03:54 PM
PTSD should make the next round of home invasions interesting
 
2013-07-07 03:04:49 PM
He then looked up, and saw . . . former NBA star Shaquille O'Neal.

Could've been worse. Could've been Kobe.
 
2013-07-07 03:04:56 PM

LavenderWolf: Meesterjojo: FTA: "Using the taxpayers' resources for such useless Gestapo-like tactics is more of a crime than is playing of the game. "

But they're wrong- the Gestapo always knocked first.

Of course, then they'd disappear you and your entire family, so let's not go full retard just yet.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting

Or execute you in front of your wife and child.
 
2013-07-07 03:06:30 PM
It would have been a better novel if the main characters didn't keep getting either a) shot, or b) arrested. I'm also not that interested in poker so I just put it down about halfway through.
If your local police force has nothing better to do than SWAT raid poker games you have given them too much money and personnel. Also you might want to divert some of those funds to psych evaluations for the remaining officers.
 
2013-07-07 03:09:52 PM
Jefferson County, Colorado, deputies unknowingly clashed with and then pepper-sprayed undercover Denver cops posing as violent protesters.

censored.fr
 
2013-07-07 03:10:02 PM
No knock raids are a simple way to setup the violence that is claimed they are trying ti prevent.

Reality is the armed and dangerous people are far more likely to give up if they know they have already lost. Statistically speaking I'm sure 90% of raids with 20 or more dudes armed to
the teeth show up to the door tell you that you lose I'm sure it's all over but the shouting.

Burst in the door unannounced and catch a violent criminal off guard what does he know it could be hommie down the way or cartel hitmen or biker enforcers comming to end him fark yeah the idiot is gonna start shooting.


I'm saying this full well knowing thats what the cops would do.... Damn I would wouldnt you?

Put people in those shoot or its your ass positions and that's what they will do.

I work early in the morning in a big building about 4 blocks away from q pretty massive police station so I see half the tactidal squad in full gear getting coffee at the same place I do and I cant help but laugh when I see them thinking damn someone is about to have a really bad day.

I always hope it's not like te other week when at 5 am they kick down some ladies door whither her 2 kids in bed pointing machine guns at her screaming in a language she barely understands while her husband is out driving cab ti support them anyway he can
 
2013-07-07 03:11:14 PM

Fark It: All cops are heroes, citizen.  The only people who question the police are (right-wing lunatics/Occupy anarchists).  Remember 9/11!


I'll bet a large percentage of cops are right-wing lunatics of one sort or another.  Cops tend to be attracted to that authoritarian mindset.

Of course, their definition of a right-wing lunatic may differ from mine.
 
2013-07-07 03:14:55 PM

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: I'll bet a large percentage of cops are right-wing lunatics of one sort or another.


They're statists whose politics are irrelevant to the problem at hand, the dismissal of these tactics by partisan lemmings like you, something the author went to great pains to highlight if you had bothered reading the whole article.  Part of the problem is exactly what you're doing, ascribing a certain political ideology to these horrible abuses in order to insulate your own.
 
2013-07-07 03:15:29 PM

spentshells: Burst in the door unannounced and catch a violent criminal off guard what does he know it could be hommie down the way or cartel hitmen or biker enforcers comming to end him fark yeah the idiot is gonna start shooting.


now if only they were only doing this with people who were actually armed
 
2013-07-07 03:16:44 PM
i1172.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-07 03:16:49 PM

HempHead: I watched Dick Cheney phone into Fox News to lend support to President Obama in the Snowden affair. It was like I got sucked into an episode of the Twilight Zone.


That's because you and reality have a long-distance relationship, and you haven't even texted it since weed went legal.

/Cheney would try to do the same Obama is doing
//but the non-Fox media hates him, and they're the real power in the USA, so they'd pitch a big enough fit to make him behave
///just like they did with Bush in Iraq, which is one of the reasons it didn't turn into the clusterfark Egypt turned into
 
2013-07-07 03:16:59 PM
looking back through history, the only thing militarization of the police seems to do anywhere in the world is breed mafias and destroy communities

i mean if the Russian mafia could become a thing under Stalinism, then no amount of security means squat at the end of the day, you're screwed either way
 
2013-07-07 03:18:16 PM

raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?


Start burning and looting baby.  We outnumber the cops, somebody should figure out a way to turn that into a tactical advantage.
 
2013-07-07 03:19:15 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I recognize this won't be a popular viewpoint, but until cops are paid better -- which would allow cities the luxury of NOT having to employ every other malcontent bully who fills out an application form, but instead hire the better men and women out there who would be seeking that better salary -- then this trend will continue.

If you gotta have a warm body out there, some places will cut corners, and that includes hiring men and women who are only 60 percent ethical, rather than 99 percent ethical.

((The above also applies to teachers, in my opinion. If I won a 200 million dollar lottery, I'd fund a school system with $80,000-a-year elementary-school teachers just to see what happens.))


????????

They seem pretty well paid in my State. ( esp. compared to other "working class" people around here.)
 
2013-07-07 03:23:36 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: Start burning and looting baby.  We outnumber the cops, somebody should figure out a way to turn that into a tactical advantage.


We already know all the ways to turn that into a tactical advantage. Every single one of them would make us as bad as the cops, and probably worse, with the leaders we put into power the worst of all.

/literally by the very standards that required the revolution in the first place
//that's the price you pay when you base your revolution on opinions and beliefs instead of facts and rational thought
 
2013-07-07 03:25:46 PM

nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.


Done in one volley of armour-piercing ammo.
 
2013-07-07 03:27:58 PM
This makes me so angry. I am going to start a blog about it.
 
2013-07-07 03:28:29 PM
When you have a nation driven to the point of fearing bottles of shampoo and all other nonsense they can imagine, you're going to have a terrified police force prone to overreacting.

In the cops' brains, they genuinely believe that this abuse of force is simply erring on the side of caution. To them, the next car they pull over will be the one carrying the nuke. The barking dog is the distraction the desperate dealer needs to put a bullet in their heads.

We like to think that cops are brave, but they are just as scared as every other American. Unfortunately, they have resources that most Americans don't.
 
2013-07-07 03:29:05 PM

Tatterdemalian: Psycoholic_Slag: Start burning and looting baby.  We outnumber the cops, somebody should figure out a way to turn that into a tactical advantage.

We already know all the ways to turn that into a tactical advantage. Every single one of them would make us as bad as the cops, and probably worse, with the leaders we put into power the worst of all.

/literally by the very standards that required the revolution in the first place
//that's the price you pay when you base your revolution on opinions and beliefs instead of facts and rational thought


The twist is that by the time the enough justification for said revolution arrives to get the proles off their asses, the power to execute it successfully is usually complete gone.

To paraphrase a certain princess, this is how freedom dies.
 
2013-07-07 03:29:39 PM

Fark It: Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: I'll bet a large percentage of cops are right-wing lunatics of one sort or another.

They're statists whose politics are irrelevant to the problem at hand, the dismissal of these tactics by partisan lemmings like you, something the author went to great pains to highlight if you had bothered reading the whole article.  Part of the problem is exactly what you're doing, ascribing a certain political ideology to these horrible abuses in order to insulate your own.


I did read the article and your objections to my comments are irrelevant.

Anyone who worships guns, order, compliance, power and authority is a right-wing lunatic in my book.  If they wear uniforms, even more so.
 
2013-07-07 03:32:29 PM
Cops shoot the dogs to control them. Perhaps citizens should start shooting cops to control them.
Just an idea. I don't advocate violence.
 
2013-07-07 03:32:30 PM
nmemkha:To paraphrase a certain queen, "this is how freedom dies."

/FTFM
/Now technically correct!
 
2013-07-07 03:35:01 PM

Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?


What?

Like investigate crimes that have already taken place?

You watch too much TV. That would mean expecting a cop to do the job he was hired to do.
 
2013-07-07 03:36:26 PM

WhyteRaven74: spentshells: Burst in the door unannounced and catch a violent criminal off guard what does he know it could be hommie down the way or cartel hitmen or biker enforcers comming to end him fark yeah the idiot is gonna start shooting.

now if only they were only doing this with people who were actually armed


What's farked up is when they bust into the  wrong house (As in not the one they intended) and the homeowner shoots and kills an officer repelling the home invasion. If the homeowner is not outright murdered by the police, he's still going to jail for killing a cop, when in reality he was in the right under Castle Doctrine. Police or not, they entered his home without permission, warning, or cause (Warrant's not gonna cover the wrong address, will it?)
 
2013-07-07 03:38:10 PM
Lately, they've been deploying SWAT teams to raid adult book stores and theaters....

wtflolomgbbq.no-ip.org:88


A more recent example here.

Because, really, who wants to take a chance that some pervert might start spraying the police. amiright?
 
2013-07-07 03:40:18 PM

nmemkha: Tatterdemalian: Psycoholic_Slag: Start burning and looting baby.  We outnumber the cops, somebody should figure out a way to turn that into a tactical advantage.

We already know all the ways to turn that into a tactical advantage. Every single one of them would make us as bad as the cops, and probably worse, with the leaders we put into power the worst of all.

/literally by the very standards that required the revolution in the first place
//that's the price you pay when you base your revolution on opinions and beliefs instead of facts and rational thought

The twist is that by the time the enough justification for said revolution arrives to get the proles off their asses, the power to execute it successfully is usually complete gone.

To paraphrase a certain princess, this is how freedom dies.


Depends on whether you mean rational or emotional justification, and whether "success" means "successfully destroying the old government" or "successfully replacing it with something that meets the revolution's moral standards, instead of making a mockery of them." Using emotional justification to successfully destroy the old government has a long history of resounding success, all throughout the 19th and 20th centuries from the French Revolution onward, and is quite possibly the only way to overthrow a government that even allows the illusion of democratic process. Rational justification, on the other hand, is quite a bit more hit-and-miss, but when it does succeed, like the American Revolution, the results are pretty goddamn amazing.
 
2013-07-07 03:40:56 PM
We can thank the totally fruitless War on Drugs for the erosion of the 4th amendment and the militarization of the nation's cops.

I hope Nixon and Reagan are roasting in the hairy taint of Satan.

/the most reliable way to NOT get my vote is to put "tough on crime" bullshiat on your campaign mailers.  They're wasting tax dollars and eroding the public trust.
 
2013-07-07 03:41:57 PM

Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?


How on Earth was this not deemed entrapment? It boggles the mind.
 
2013-07-07 03:42:52 PM
From reading the article, it would seem that we've already been living in a police state.  Intentional or unintentional execution by a law enforcement officer without the benefit of a trial is a bit disturbing and entirely unacceptable.  Especially when the alleged "crimes" were not even crimes!

/wake up America
//government at every level is rather out-of-control
 
2013-07-07 03:45:28 PM

Smeggy Smurf: /incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


Might stop the first cop, and it might slow down cops #2 through #8, but by cop #9 your millibar, whatever that is, is going to start looking a bit shaky.  Cop #12 will be the first through the door.

You will run out of bullets before they run out of cops.  That's just how it works.  You can't defend yourself this way.
 
2013-07-07 03:45:59 PM

Empty H: Ah, thank you. Apparently I haven't gotten enough sleep today


Please don't kill me.
 
2013-07-07 03:46:17 PM

muddythinker: Radley Balko is a great writer.  I recommend following him on Twitter.


Yes he is.
 
2013-07-07 03:46:50 PM

Astorix: Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?

How on Earth was this not deemed entrapment? It boggles the mind.


Because cops protect other cops, would be my guess.  It was absolutely entrapment, if the undercover officer worked the suspect up to illegal levels of gambling.  And in a fair world, it would have been acknowledged as entrapment.

Unfortunately, as TFA demonstrates, we don't live in a fair world.  We live in a world where the police can abuse/harm/rob you without any consequences.  Your best bet is simply to avoid the law at all costs.
 
2013-07-07 03:47:49 PM
The largest, most well armed gang that is immortal, has infinite resources, and a legal monopoly on violence.
 
2013-07-07 03:50:07 PM

Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.


It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio
 
2013-07-07 03:50:55 PM
"I was building a house."
 
2013-07-07 03:54:22 PM
You know, instead of paying attention to the Kardashians, Teen Mom and all that other crap, this should be headline news that everybody is aware of.  Seriously, if a little small stakes gambling among friends and co-workers is now a federal offense comparable to terrorism, we are already in deep doo-doo.  Because, what's next?
 
2013-07-07 03:54:29 PM
I've said here before, in other contexts, that we live in a police state, and people scoff at it.  If we didn't live in a police state, then the public outrage over a story like this would be off the charts.*  In our modern new "if you're not doing anything wrong, what do you care" state, police feel free to blaze away so long as they can say, "We acted in good faith, we believed there was probably at least some reason to suspect a crime might be going on, and the guy didn't immediately fall to the ground and scream for mercy, so naturally we shot him."**

There's a direct line running from "9/11 Crying Eagle Never Forget!" through "Keep America Safe" through "Trust Us, We Have Your Best Interests at Heart" through "We Need to Spread These Billions in Secure the Sacred Fatherland Spending Around" to "Another Dangerous Football Bettor Has Been Delivered Final Justice."

People sure do get furious about redlight cameras though.  So we've still got that.


*Assuming the victims are white, that is.  Otherwise it's a crapshoot.  For which you can be gunned down.
**Not all cops, but the police state over time fosters this kind of "us against the world" mentality.
 
2013-07-07 03:56:45 PM
Wow, this thread is essentially two groups of people with differently shaped foil caps arguing over whether folding the foil on the edges or twisting it at the top is the best protection against gubmint moonbeams

/OBAMA!
/THE PIGS!
 
2013-07-07 03:58:27 PM
Shooter must have been a Republican.
 
2013-07-07 03:58:37 PM

Astorix: It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


Indeed.  I remember either reading or watching something (I can't remember) that posited the idea that this breakdown began when cops quit walking beats around towns and got into increasingly-well-armored vehicles.  The idea was, that when we made this shift, the cops quit interacting with everyday people, and as such, lost touch with their communities.  The cops became a community unto themselves, and that's led to an "us vs. them" mentality, except that the "them" are the people they're supposed to be protecting.  From there, it's a natural progression for cops to become increasingly well-armed and aggressive.

I don't know how valid that theory is---but it makes some degree of sense.  Certainly the "neighborhood cop" is a thing of the past.  And it can't be totally coincidental that neighborhood beat cops disappeared around the same time that police respect for civilians' rights did.
 
2013-07-07 03:58:40 PM
Do we really need to go back SEVEN farking years to find police state outrages to write about?

Yeah... 2006. Look it up.

/Salon.com can eat my farking ass.
 
2013-07-07 04:00:07 PM

SomethingToDo: Wow, this thread is essentially two groups of people with differently shaped foil caps arguing over whether folding the foil on the edges or twisting it at the top is the best protection against gubmint moonbeams

/OBAMA!
/THE PIGS!


i just don't think pointing bazookas at everything that moves is a great way to make the world a safer place
 
2013-07-07 04:00:21 PM

Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


In the world of Nemo's Bunghole and the rest of the teatards, facts are not really useful in a discussion.

You cannot reason them out of a position they didn't reason them selves into. Obama is a libby lib lib commie to them, and they hate him (amd you) EVEN MORE when you point out he's really a Republican.
 
2013-07-07 04:02:37 PM
farm5.staticflickr.com

The first frog to get out of the pot will become the next George Washington. The notion that we're even remotely as "free" as we like to believe is laughably dismissible.
 
2013-07-07 04:03:10 PM
♫♪ The gang and the government are no different. ♫♪
 
2013-07-07 04:04:43 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-07 04:05:45 PM
We know the cop's name.
He might as well flee the country, that backstabbing snitchpig.
 
2013-07-07 04:06:01 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Astorix: It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio

Indeed.  I remember either reading or watching something (I can't remember) that posited the idea that this breakdown began when cops quit walking beats around towns and got into increasingly-well-armored vehicles.  The idea was, that when we made this shift, the cops quit interacting with everyday people, and as such, lost touch with their communities.  The cops became a community unto themselves, and that's led to an "us vs. them" mentality, except that the "them" are the people they're supposed to be protecting.  From there, it's a natural progression for cops to become increasingly well-armed and aggressive.

I don't know how valid that theory is---but it makes some degree of sense.  Certainly the "neighborhood cop" is a thing of the past.  And it can't be totally coincidental that neighborhood beat cops disappeared around the same time that police respect for civilians' rights did.


I remember a few years back here in San Diego it was a revolutionary(!) idea to bring back more beat walking by local cops in gang-heavy neighborhoods.  As I recall, it worked to a certain extent.


Pray 4 Mojo: Do we really need to go back SEVEN farking years to find police state outrages to write about?

Yeah... 2006. Look it up.

/Salon.com can eat my farking ass.


They did mention the guy that got shot in the back by the BART transit cop in Oakland, and the Davis pepper-spray pig, so it's not all old stuff---I think the author was going for a piece detailing the history of SWATification of the police, even for innocuous bullshiat like barbershop licensing.  Can't do a historical piece without writing about things that happened further back than last week.
 
2013-07-07 04:10:03 PM

Bonzo_1116: They did mention the guy that got shot in the back by the BART transit cop in Oakland, and the Davis pepper-spray pig, so it's not all old stuff---I think the author was going for a piece detailing the history of SWATification of the police, even for innocuous bullshiat like barbershop licensing. Can't do a historical piece without writing about things that happened further back than last week.


Noted. And I agree.

Every salon.com piece I've struggled through was about a 100 paragraphs that can be summed up in 4. Their contributors might as well masturbate on a piece of paper and scan it.

In other words... TLDR.
 
2013-07-07 04:11:59 PM
Yet another "police abusing their position" story, wake me when the second American revolution begins?
 
2013-07-07 04:12:57 PM
Barfmaker [TotalFark]

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
The state never feels killing americans is a bad use of resources.
 
2013-07-07 04:16:16 PM
FTFA:  WE KICKED YOUR FATHER'S ASS IN 1968 . . . WAIT 'TIL YOU SEE WHAT WE DO TO YOU!

i560.photobucket.com

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again. I think I'll stick to that decision. Meanwhile, TFA makes me wonder whether the US is a third-world banana-republic with a first-world facade. I think you guys might be in some deep shiat, and it'll only get worse.

...But then again, it might not be as bad as it looks from the other side of the Atlantic

 

skozlaw: Stop electing people who are tough on crime. Start supporting politicians who are opposed to crimes of "vice". Start supporting heavy punitive damages against paramilitary forces that engage in this type of behavior.


Hm. Sounds like "hope and change."

/my local politicians are all of the "drill baby drill" mentality
//voting green this fall
///hope they mean it
 
2013-07-07 04:17:05 PM
Looks like we've got ourselves a reader...
 
2013-07-07 04:17:12 PM

Nemo's Brother: Smeggy Smurf: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.

That's going to happen first.

/ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

I was inquiring about the pig-proof door design.  As a future homeowner, I am curious.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-07 04:17:16 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Every salon.com piece I've struggled through was about a 100 paragraphs that can be summed up in 4. Their contributors might as well masturbate on a piece of paper and scan it.

In other words... TLDR.


In fairness to this article, that was just copypasta from the author's book.  So it would be long-winded, since it's from a book.
 
2013-07-07 04:18:01 PM
Salon article in support of libtard position: "Salon is a stupid blog authored by stupid libtard hacks!"
Salon article in support of libertarian position: "See! See!!"

/What's the insult for libertarian? (Or is it just "libertarian?")
 
2013-07-07 04:18:37 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: This makes me so angry. I am going to start a blog about it.



Thank God you're taking care of it.  I thought I was going to have to post a lot here to rectify the whole situation.

In all honesty this makes me want to arm myself with cyanide pills.  When I was 18 cops raided a bunch of us in Lake Delton, Wi (Wisconsin Dells), dogs, guns drawn, I went to jail for a few hours until they couldn't bluff me into confessing for a bunch of shiat that I really didn't do.  A-holes.  On top of that It was really nice how they gave me the ride to the station, and then released me with no phone privilege and on foot.

Needless to say I hate authority, and my brother is a cop.   LOL.   I really do believe he is a good one though, and the small community he works in tends to agree from what I hear.
 
2013-07-07 04:19:48 PM

OnlyM3: Barfmaker [TotalFark]

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
-.-.-.-.-.-.


The state never feels killing americans is a bad use of resources.

www.austinchronicle.com
Especially if the state is Texas!
 
2013-07-07 04:21:12 PM
To all you people clamoring for "revolution."

Tell me how going after the government with guns is going to make the government less armed.
 
2013-07-07 04:26:35 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I recognize this won't be a popular viewpoint, but until cops are paid better -- which would allow cities the luxury of NOT having to employ every other malcontent bully who fills out an application form, but instead hire the better men and women out there who would be seeking that better salary -- then this trend will continue.

If you gotta have a warm body out there, some places will cut corners, and that includes hiring men and women who are only 60 percent ethical, rather than 99 percent ethical.

((The above also applies to teachers, in my opinion. If I won a 200 million dollar lottery, I'd fund a school system with $80,000-a-year elementary-school teachers just to see what happens.))


I come from a long line of civil servants - police and teachers, in fact.  The compensation for both can be quite good, or it can be quite bad.  Teachers in my town have media pay of about $70k.   Police are compensated better (but work more hours during the year, so it's probably about even).   Cops and teachers can retire after 20 years.

We have a good school system, but it's as much due to the fact that parents in the town care as it is quality of the teachers.  And we don't have a militarized police force, but that's because the upper and upper-middle class people who live here do not want to see douchebags in camoflage patrolling their streets.  That would be bad for property values.
 
2013-07-07 04:27:38 PM
Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing -  The only way that this is going to change is from within.  The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems.  Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable).  The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done.  That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price.  You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing.  If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in.  You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasing

Again, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results.

/still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids
 
2013-07-07 04:29:24 PM
 
2013-07-07 04:30:19 PM

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: Fark It: Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: I'll bet a large percentage of cops are right-wing lunatics of one sort or another.

They're statists whose politics are irrelevant to the problem at hand, the dismissal of these tactics by partisan lemmings like you, something the author went to great pains to highlight if you had bothered reading the whole article.  Part of the problem is exactly what you're doing, ascribing a certain political ideology to these horrible abuses in order to insulate your own.

I did read the article and your objections to my comments are irrelevant.

Anyone who worships guns, order, compliance, power and authority is a right-wing lunatic in my book.  If they wear uniforms, even more so.


You DO realize you just described DHS acting under Obama's authority and control, don't you?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-07 04:30:42 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

"Why are you reading?"
 
2013-07-07 04:31:52 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


Just make it a solid wood door, and a few nice long bolts (make sure they are screwed into the actual frame with long and strong screws).

www.thehardwarehut.com

Maybe line the inside of the door with a thick sheet of metal.

Of course, the most secure door in the world is useless if it's next to an open window, so you have to be sure to secure the other possible entries, too.
 
2013-07-07 04:33:40 PM
It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down.    What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.   There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this.
  We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions.  We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.
 
2013-07-07 04:34:41 PM
Weaver95:

For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.


I tend to agree as well. Currently in Vietnam, where you'd have to actually hit someone with your car to get a traffic citation, and even that could be avoided with a big enough bribe.

Basically, if you have the money to bribe the right people, you have unlimited freedom.

Unless of course you want to complain about the government.

In the US, I can complain about the government all day and night and it's not going to amount to much.

Of course, any tiny infraction of a traffic rule will get me pulled over, or automatically cited by camera.

I have to follow a ridiculous number of regulations, or even hire a lawyer, if I want to start a small business. Kids get their lemonade stands closed down by cops. In Vietnam I can just start selling whatever I want on the sidewalk, as long as I offer a small cut to any officials who come to inquire about it.

But more importantly, in Vietnam, people tend to not jump down each others' throats if they think the other person is getting an unfair advantage by breaking some social convention, while in the US, you get people riding your bumper and flipping you off if you make the mistake of driving driving the actual posted speed limit, instead of going 5-10 MPH over it.

Basically there's more of a feeling of freedom in some of the places that are technically not free. The only thing that seems better in the US is the reduced amount of government corruption, but we're not even completely free of that. And honestly, I think I could get by not starting a blog to complain about the government if I had to.
 
2013-07-07 04:35:41 PM

Tatterdemalian: HempHead: I watched Dick Cheney phone into Fox News to lend support to President Obama in the Snowden affair. It was like I got sucked into an episode of the Twilight Zone.

That's because you and reality have a long-distance relationship, and you haven't even texted it since weed went legal.

/Cheney would try to do the same Obama is doing
//but the non-Fox media hates him, and they're the real power in the USA, so they'd pitch a big enough fit to make him behave
///just like they did with Bush in Iraq, which is one of the reasons it didn't turn into the clusterfark Egypt turned into

if you



In what reality do CNN, MSNBC, and ESPN weld the "real power"?
 
2013-07-07 04:39:16 PM
Uncle Tractor:
wtfiswrongwiththosepeople.pjg

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again. I think I'll stick to that decision. Meanwhile, TFA makes me wonder whether the US is a third-world banana-republic with a first-world facade. I think you guys might be in some deep shiat, and it'll only get worse.

...But then again, it might not be as bad as it looks from the other side of the Atlantic


No, it *is* as bad as it looks. It's just that you're far enough away and have enough rationality around for comparison that you can actually see it, while the vast majority of people here are too busy watching 'reality' TV or similarly sticking their heads in the sand to notice. And so you get all of the comfortably simmering frogs croaking about how everything's fine, and they're loud enough that they actually do manage to convince some outside observers that they're right.

I think outsiders actually usually have the best view of what's going wrong in a culture. They may miss or misinterpret some things due to not having a close view, but the ability to avoid all of the cultural blinders and comfortable assumptions more than makes up for it. It amuses me, in a frustrating sort of way, to watch americans pointing out all of the flaws they see in european countries (in many cases correctly, at least in my opinion) while being completely oblivious to the house burning down right behind them.

/sometimes I wonder if I should try to get out of here...
 
2013-07-07 04:41:09 PM

Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.


Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-07 04:42:19 PM

HempHead: In what reality do CNN, MSNBC, and ESPN weld the "real power"?


I think you must underestimate how "bread and circuses" television is manipulating the knowledge on the ground in the U.S.   There is no left or right bias, there is a pro-corporate bias in the U.S. media.  Certain items never get discussed.  Have you ever heard a fair discussion of corporate personhood in the commercial media?  How about even a discussion about Internet downloading where the downloaders aren't labeled "pirates" from the very start?

We don't have informative media is U.S.  That's a huge part of the problem.
 
2013-07-07 04:42:45 PM

d23: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]

"Why are Whatchu you reading for?"

 
2013-07-07 04:42:51 PM
FTA:  Perhaps the best insight into the mentality the police brought to the DNC protests could be found on the T-shirts the Denver police union had printed up for the event. The shirts showed a menacing cop holding a baton. The caption: DNC 2008: WE GET UP EARLY, TO BEAT THE CROWDS. Police were spotted wearing similar shirts at the 2012 NATO summit in Chicago. At the 1996 DNC convention in Chicago, cops were seen wearing shirts that read: WE KICKED YOUR FATHER'S ASS IN 1968 . . . WAIT 'TIL YOU SEE WHAT WE DO TO YOU!

Go ahead, defend that. Every time I see someone apologize for a cop's actions, claiming "well, it's his duty" or "it was the heat of the moment" or "it was an accident", understand that the above demonstrates none of those actions.

Just another gang, only with government sanction and funded by the very folks they're beating.
 
2013-07-07 04:44:12 PM
Road Rash:
You DO realize you just described DHS acting under Obama's authority and control, don't you?

The DHS was an astonishingly bad idea right from the start.  That particular Congress and the Bush Admin should feel deeply ashamed by bringing it to life, and Obama should bust out his sequester budget machete on it.  The DHS is using federal tax monies to buy shiat like this for the Cape Cod police department.

 http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120827/NE WS/ 208270313

I mean really, are the lesbians in Martha's Vineyard that unruly?

www.capecodonline.com
 
2013-07-07 04:44:26 PM

d23: HempHead: In what reality do CNN, MSNBC, and ESPN weld the "real power"?

I think you must underestimate how "bread and circuses" television is manipulating the knowledge on the ground in the U.S.   There is no left or right bias, there is a pro-corporate bias in the U.S. media.  Certain items never get discussed.  Have you ever heard a fair discussion of corporate personhood in the commercial media?  How about even a discussion about Internet downloading where the downloaders aren't labeled "pirates" from the very start?

We don't have informative media is U.S.  That's a huge part of the problem.


Yep. Thanks, Reagan!
 
2013-07-07 04:44:30 PM

lostcat: Weaver95:

For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.


I tend to agree as well. Currently in Vietnam, where you'd have to actually hit someone with your car to get a traffic citation, and even that could be avoided with a big enough bribe.

Basically, if you have the money to bribe the right people, you have unlimited freedom.

Unless of course you want to complain about the government.

In the US, I can complain about the government all day and night and it's not going to amount to much.

Of course, any tiny infraction of a traffic rule will get me pulled over, or automatically cited by camera.

I have to follow a ridiculous number of regulations, or even hire a lawyer, if I want to start a small business. Kids get their lemonade stands closed down by cops. In Vietnam I can just start selling whatever I want on the sidewalk, as long as I offer a small cut to any officials who come to inquire about it.

But more importantly, in Vietnam, people tend to not jump down each others' throats if they think the other person is getting an unfair advantage by breaking some social convention, while in the US, you get people riding your bumper and flipping you off if you make the mistake of driving driving the actual posted speed limit, instead of going 5-10 MPH over it.

Basically there's more of a feeling of freedom in some of the places that are technically not free. The only thing that seems better in the US is the reduced amount of government corruption, but we're not even completely free of that. And honestly, I think I could get by not starting a blog to complain about the government if I had to.


Interesting points.   What some call freedom is  what others call lawlessness. You can have too much freedom or too many laws.  I think the U. S. is in the "too many laws" phase now, and headed further in that direction.
 
2013-07-07 04:45:03 PM

Recoil Therapy: Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing -  The only way that this is going to change is from within.  The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems.  Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable).  The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done.  That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price.  You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing.  If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in.  You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasing

Again, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results.

/still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids


yeah how about NO, that's farking sick
 
2013-07-07 04:45:13 PM

Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


Oh, goes way back before that.

One
Two
Three

There are many more examples
 
2013-07-07 04:46:26 PM
All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.
 
2013-07-07 04:48:18 PM

Tatterdemalian: Nobody is going to care enough to take effective action until we elect a Republican president. The closest we'll get to taking action will be telling people they are risking their lives making casual bets among friends and co-workers. Any further investigation will be branded conspiracy theory, and probably racist too.

/so vote Republican
//your freedom actually does depend on it


Right. I felt so free under Shrub that I left the country.
 
2013-07-07 04:48:33 PM

rev. dave: It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down.    What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.   There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this.
  We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions.  We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.


completely understood, and if some of us feel this way now, what about our children, what will it be like for them to face it?
 
2013-07-07 04:49:48 PM
My blood pressure was doing pretty good until I RTFA.

I'm currently building my hobby farm up in New Hampshire. Since I've spent most of my life living or working on military bases, the theme of my farm, Omega Station (so named because it's my very last posting) is going to be sort of a quasi-military base, with a;l the accents I recall from the many bases I've been on, like a flagpole, building border fences made of white painted chain and plumbing pipe, a nifty sign (Welcome to Omega Station - Commanding Officer, Mark12A), a nice red/white antenna tower for TV/CB/Sat internet and other similar touches. I've even gotten Omega Station patches made to wear on my coveralls.

Now I'm getting the idea I'll just get raided within six months of moving in and getting my old Shih Tzu's assassinated just for looking suspicious....
 
2013-07-07 04:50:15 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


"Thank you for calling 911.  We're sorry, all our officers are raiding a Saturday poker night in Fred's rumpus room.  We will respond to your emergency in the order your call was received.  Your call is important to us, so stay on the line to take this short survey for quality purposes."
 
2013-07-07 04:50:26 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.



It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.
 
2013-07-07 04:50:48 PM

OhioUGrad: Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.


I know many "heavily armed Americans" who individually have more/better firearms than many (if not all) of their local police departments.  Hell, I know of two people who own actually tanks, and I don't mean small armored personal carriers, I mean TANKS.  High-caliber fully automatic assault rifles are more prevalent in American urban areas than some people would like you to know.

That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.
 
2013-07-07 04:50:48 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Jefferson County, Colorado, deputies unknowingly clashed with and then pepper-sprayed undercover Denver cops posing as violent protesters.

[censored.fr image 500x280]


Still can't watch that curb stomping bit in in American History X
 
2013-07-07 04:52:09 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.

That's going to happen first.

/ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.


How's your back door design? Wink!
 
2013-07-07 04:56:07 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


You mean AFTER you get robbed, shot, or mugged?  Cops, minutes away when seconds count.  I'm more likely to get shot by an overzealous cop than a terrorist, anarchist, hippie, gangster, or Raider Fan.  Well, maybe not a Raider Fan.
 
2013-07-07 04:57:18 PM
 All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


You mean AFTER you get robbed, shot, or mugged?  Cops, minutes away when seconds count.  I'm more likely to get shot by an overzealous cop than a terrorist, anarchist, hippie, gangster, or Raider Fan.  Well, maybe not a Raider Fan.


"Not I, said the pig."
"Not I, said the dog."
 
2013-07-07 04:57:57 PM

raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?


Www.change.org
 
2013-07-07 04:58:49 PM
    
Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.
 
2013-07-07 05:00:15 PM
And this is a story that warrants a list of things to do. Ahem

Steps.

1. Get not morally outraged at peoples friendly wagers, but that you're not getting your cut for your pork barrel projects.
2. Find some guys that make friendly wagers on games.
3. Make friends with them, and talk them into higher bets, thus gaining felony convictions.
4. Get an arrest warrant and wait for the unarmed and non violent "friend" to come to get paid, with a fully geared out swat team.
5. Shoot the unarmed civilian in a fit of orgasmic self righteousness, shoot him dead. That will teach him not to give up the state's cut.
6. Pay off the family after battling your un winnable case, thus wasting more taxpayer money.
7. Promote YOUR lottery that is rigged on your side, thus teaching the populace who's in charge, and where the real game is.
8. Profit.
 
2013-07-07 05:00:22 PM
eventhelosers:

yeah how about NO, that's farking sick

No, what was sick was what was suggested be done to the kid if a cop killed an innocent person & essentially walked away, that was disgusting.  A bloody nose & a few scrapes that will heal in a day or two to send a strong message might do the trick for some (& it might send others completely over the edge).  However you have to admit that if an entire community is intelligence gathering on it's police force & doing this that it is WAY too far gone for administrative changes.  At that point it is only a couple of short steps to essentially open warfare.

Again, I'm not encouraging this nor saying that we're there yet, but things are getting to a critical point in a lot of places.  It isn't just the poor areas & those of darker hues that are being abused by the police.  I hope that the police recognize the dangerous direction that they are pushing people in, I fear that they don't, but I hope they do & take corrective action soon.
 
2013-07-07 05:00:34 PM

Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.



Whoa, whoa, WHOA!  How do I not know about this!?
 
2013-07-07 05:07:02 PM

Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


The power grab has been going on for a long time too. I'm so old I remember when police couldn't seize your vehicle, period. Then you started seeing DPS in Camaros and Mustang GT's. Now it seems like every other police car is an SUV.

We, the people, are either going to have to reclaim our rights or lose the rest of them. Political affiliation, gender, race, everything aside. Human rights.
 
2013-07-07 05:07:23 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Paramedics.  WTF is a cop gonna do besides bother me with questions while I'm bleeding to death?
 
2013-07-07 05:08:50 PM
If more things were legal for civilians, we'd see a lot less deaths by cop. Gambling, drugs, prostitution, all those should be legal. Then the cops would never have any reason to shoot people reading books.
 
2013-07-07 05:09:51 PM

Barfmaker: It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.


If we were concerned about wasting resources...  I mean shiat dude the US is committed to spend 700 billion over the next 10 years to 'modernize' our nuclear weapons stockpile. For what, 80's era nukes aren't scary enough?  It's not like a Pu239 pit goes bad.  Seriously if we were smart we'd let the Russians build nukes for us, for a tenth the cost, just like rocket engines.

Seriously ask for funding for basic research, infrastructure, education, and the red pens come out.  Ask for money for police, spooks, and 'defense related pork and OMFG terrorism! how much money do you need!!!
 
2013-07-07 05:10:48 PM

ghare: Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio

In the world of Nemo's Bunghole and the rest of the teatards, facts are not really useful in a discussion.

You cannot reason them out of a position they didn't reason them selves into. Obama is a libby lib lib commie to them, and they hate him (amd you) EVEN MORE when you point out he's really a Republican.


Right? Because if he was a lefty he would be a sweetheart like Stalin, Mao were.

If you don't think both sides of the aisle are only interested in control then you have fallen into the trap game that is politics.
 
2013-07-07 05:11:05 PM
I just watched a cop shoot a dog dead with little provocation so my sympathy for them is ebbing pretty low today:

http://www.upworthy.com/dog-tries-to-save-owner-after-cops-handcuff- hi m-what-ensues-is-heartbreaking-2

The dude was filming the cops and they didn't like that.
 
2013-07-07 05:11:39 PM

Vienna: OhioUGrad: Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.

I know many "heavily armed Americans" who individually have more/better firearms than many (if not all) of their local police departments.  Hell, I know of two people who own actually tanks, and I don't mean small armored personal carriers, I mean TANKS.  High-caliber fully automatic assault rifles are more prevalent in American urban areas than some people would like you to know.

That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.


Wish I could join you in that statement.

Swat is a different beast then just the typical local law though.
 
2013-07-07 05:16:15 PM

Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.


Not long ago the cops where I live responded to an auto accident and determined the old guy (a physician) was under the influence and told the EMT  that wanted to take dude to the hospital to chill out, dude was only drunk. Except dude was having a stroke and ended up with permanent brain damage.  The lawsuit that followed had the cops blaming the EMTs and visa-versa.  Bottom line, dude had a stroke and the cops didn't allow him to go to the emergency room.

Same town, drunk dude laying beside the street, unarmed, beaten severely by several cops and attacked by K9 because he was "resisting".  Dude dies at the emergency room of heart attack.  That lawsuit has yet to hit the courts.

"Oh please come to my assistance Mr. Cop, how could it possibly not help me?"

Keep sucking that law enforcement cawk if you want.
 
2013-07-07 05:18:56 PM

Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.


I was googling "failure to aid a police officer" when I came across a statute that made it crime for a police officer to fail to render first aid to an injured citizen.  I forget which State.  But think about that. Legislators felt it necessary to use the threat of criminal punishment to ensure cops render first aid.
 
2013-07-07 05:22:15 PM

JerkyMeat: Every local community should document each individual on their police force as to where they live and who are members of their family.


That's actually a fascinating idea.

A .org website that is a wikipedia(or quasi-wiki) of every cop in in every city with pics and details submitted by local residents. Would that inspire police to take more care and responsibility for their actions?
 
2013-07-07 05:27:09 PM

MuonNeutrino: Uncle Tractor:
wtfiswrongwiththosepeople.pjg

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again. I think I'll stick to that decision. Meanwhile, TFA makes me wonder whether the US is a third-world banana-republic with a first-world facade. I think you guys might be in some deep shiat, and it'll only get worse.

...But then again, it might not be as bad as it looks from the other side of the Atlantic

No, it *is* as bad as it looks. It's just that you're far enough away and have enough rationality around for comparison that you can actually see it, while the vast majority of people here are too busy watching 'reality' TV or similarly sticking their heads in the sand to notice. And so you get all of the comfortably simmering frogs croaking about how everything's fine, and they're loud enough that they actually do manage to convince some outside observers that they're right.

I think outsiders actually usually have the best view of what's going wrong in a culture. They may miss or misinterpret some things due to not having a close view, but the ability to avoid all of the cultural blinders and comfortable assumptions more than makes up for it. It amuses me, in a frustrating sort of way, to watch americans pointing out all of the flaws they see in european countries (in many cases correctly, at least in my opinion) while being completely oblivious to the house burning down right behind them.

/sometimes I wonder if I should try to get out of here...


Yes. You should.
 
2013-07-07 05:39:49 PM

eventhelosers: rev. dave: It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down.    What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.   There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this.
  We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions.  We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.

completely understood, and if some of us feel this way now, what about our children, what will it be like for them to face it?


When people have nothing left and nothing left to lose, they will rebel.
 
2013-07-07 05:42:33 PM

Vienna: OhioUGrad: Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.

I know many "heavily armed Americans" who individually have more/better firearms than many (if not all) of their local police departments.  Hell, I know of two people who own actually tanks, and I don't mean small armored personal carriers, I mean TANKS.  High-caliber fully automatic assault rifles are more prevalent in American urban areas than some people would like you to know.

That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.


I'm glad I call Canada home. I hear the "ssssssssssss" of the lit fuse.
 
2013-07-07 05:43:30 PM

Nemo's Brother: I was inquiring about the pig-proof door design.  As a future homeowner, I am curious.


From "You couldn't afford it" the answer is pretty clearly, "expensive armored door."  Honestly pretty easystraightforward to make, just have a heavy-duty frame, super-tough hinges, and construct it out of steel, or tungsten, or whatever.   Door strength is mostly limited by price of construction material and weight of construction material.  The tougher the door, the harder to open and harder to support (hinges and doorframe) it is and the more it costs to make (and maintain, if you're using mechanical-assist opening). Also the locking mechanism is a concern, but it basically boils down to "have more deadbolts in more positions around the frame."

Thing is, if you can afford a "pig-proof door" you can probably afford "knows the (insert politician here) personally and you better not fark with her/him," protection plan, which is less likely to get your dog (who was outside) shot or your windows broken when they launch tear gas at you.

Sorry, I got interested in the wrong part of this thread didn't I?  Moving back on topic, a part of the general acceptance of the "police state" is the fact that, right or wrong, it looks like it worked.  Remember New York in the 80s?  The stereotype of its horrific crime rate, the way SNL could do sketches based on how dangerous the streets were?  Giuliani's "street-level fascism" coincided with the drop starting.  Correlation may not equal causation but it's still pretty compelling to anyone who's old enough to remember and (being that old) tired of worrying about it every damn day?

If you wanna fight the LEAs' various mission creeps, that is a hill you'll have to climb.
 
2013-07-07 05:44:21 PM

Barfmaker: local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. They issued forty-one citations, all of them misdemeanors.

Impressive.

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.


How was it a bad use of resources? They made a profit by grabbing every dollar in the place, I wonder who got to keep the booze?
 
2013-07-07 05:51:58 PM
No comment because this is so wrong, I'll get in trouble saying what I want to say
 
2013-07-07 05:52:15 PM

BarkingUnicorn: lostcat: Weaver95:

For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.


I tend to agree as well. Currently in Vietnam, where you'd have to actually hit someone with your car to get a traffic citation, and even that could be avoided with a big enough bribe.

Basically, if you have the money to bribe the right people, you have unlimited freedom.

Unless of course you want to complain about the government.

In the US, I can complain about the government all day and night and it's not going to amount to much.

Of course, any tiny infraction of a traffic rule will get me pulled over, or automatically cited by camera.

I have to follow a ridiculous number of regulations, or even hire a lawyer, if I want to start a small business. Kids get their lemonade stands closed down by cops. In Vietnam I can just start selling whatever I want on the sidewalk, as long as I offer a small cut to any officials who come to inquire about it.

But more importantly, in Vietnam, people tend to not jump down each others' throats if they think the other person is getting an unfair advantage by breaking some social convention, while in the US, you get people riding your bumper and flipping you off if you make the mistake of driving driving the actual posted speed limit, instead of going 5-10 MPH over it.

Basically there's more of a feeling of freedom in some of the places that are technically not free. The only thing that seems better in the US is the reduced amount of government corruption, but we're not even completely free of that. And honestly, I think I could get by not starting a blog to complain about the government if I had to.

Interesting points.   What some call freedom is  what others call lawlessness. You can have too much freedom or too many laws.  I think the U. S. is in the "too many laws" phase now, and headed further in that direction.




Soon in the United States, whatever is not mandatory, will be illegal. And what is not illegal, will be mandatory.
 
2013-07-07 05:59:00 PM

puffy999: Smeggy Smurf: You can't afford it. It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes. But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

I should think about getting into this industry...

I live in an area that's incredibly poor, and kept that way, but there are a LOT of people with money around here who have a lot of fear of the local population. Home invasions are not uncommon, but random acts of violence in another person's home generally are uncommon (now, acts of violence involving associated people, addicts, and the like...).


Wasn't it LA that has made it illegal to install a door that is reinforced to be Police Proof?
 
2013-07-07 05:59:22 PM
Uncle Tractor:

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again.


I work in the tech sector and you'd be surprised to hear how many need convincing to enter the US for business trips. I'd imagine the tourism sector is being affected similarly.
 
2013-07-07 06:00:21 PM
see, cops now have to manufacture the crimes since they're not happening fast enough to justify their endless budget increases.

reading the article you learn that a cop at a bar overheard the dude making a bet on sports with his friends, so cop befriends him, encourages him to bet more and more, then arrests him for it.

************************

here in canada the cops helped some poor, stupid dudes manufacture pressure cooker "bombs" and then arrested him for it.

i'm sure they sent in the swat team too, even as they knew the 'bombs' were useless.
 
2013-07-07 06:01:10 PM

Empty H: Dafatone: Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?

I'm pretty sure the article said that it was a different cop who hadn't slept in however many hours and shot the guy.

But yeah.  Ugh.

Ah, thank you. Apparently I haven't gotten enough sleep today.


Well don't shoot anybody, you won't get 2 weeks off with pay.
 
2013-07-07 06:01:51 PM

basemetal: In January 2011, the Culosi family accepted a $2 million settlement offer from Fairfax County. That same year, Virginia's government spent $20 million promoting the state lottery.

I wish they wouldn't settle these things.  I have a feeling a jury would show just how much the people are outraged.


Virgina has a cap on lawsuits and, your life is worth only 1.2 million after lawyers and court fees.
 
2013-07-07 06:01:53 PM

Babwa Wawa: Huck And Molly Ziegler: I recognize this won't be a popular viewpoint, but until cops are paid better -- which would allow cities the luxury of NOT having to employ every other malcontent bully who fills out an application form, but instead hire the better men and women out there who would be seeking that better salary -- then this trend will continue.

If you gotta have a warm body out there, some places will cut corners, and that includes hiring men and women who are only 60 percent ethical, rather than 99 percent ethical.

((The above also applies to teachers, in my opinion. If I won a 200 million dollar lottery, I'd fund a school system with $80,000-a-year elementary-school teachers just to see what happens.))

I come from a long line of civil servants - police and teachers, in fact.  The compensation for both can be quite good, or it can be quite bad.  Teachers in my town have media pay of about $70k.   Police are compensated better (but work more hours during the year, so it's probably about even).   Cops and teachers can retire after 20 years.

We have a good school system, but it's as much due to the fact that parents in the town care as it is quality of the teachers.  And we don't have a militarized police force, but that's because the upper and upper-middle class people who live here do not want to see douchebags in camoflage patrolling their streets.  That would be bad for property values.


Teacher and police compensation are both really good and really bad.  They get paid better than the average prole, but their job is super high-stress and has shiat hours.  I mean I know there is a lot of hate for the bad ones and the "blue wall" and all that but be honest, would YOU want to do it?  Would YOU work 12-14 hour days with weekly schedule shifts trying to teach screaming children who run from "nebbish and constantly victimized by other kids" to "parent(s) alternate between raping them and pimping them for drugs every week"?  What would YOU consider fair compensation for spending 80% of every day dealing with people like the parents I just mentioned?

I mean, tangentially-related, a military veteran comes home with PTSD and ends up beating the hell out of his girlfriend during some dispute, but BEFORE he enlisted he was always a low-grade jerkass; is he a veteran to be respected, a victim of circumstance (ptsd), or an asshole who deserves only scorn?

How about when the VA helps him with his legal defense?

Sorry, I'm feeling more philosophical than I probably should...
 
2013-07-07 06:38:50 PM

TheBigJerk: Teacher and police compensation are both really good and really bad.  They get paid better than the average prole, but their job is super high-stress and has shiat hours.


It's hard to make the argument that all teaching jobs have shiat hours and are super high stress.  Hell, it's hard to make the point that all police jobs are high stress.

The point I was trying to make (and I made it poorly) is this:  quality of school and law enforcement systems are the result of proper governmental oversight.  in my town, the schools and police get the vast majority of their funding from local revenue sources, and thus the qualities of the bureaucracies reflect the qualities the community wants them to have.

Locals here don't want the police to have a paramilitary function, so they don't get their swat team.  And they don't have to beg for funding from the feds - and so do not have a second master.

We do this with (gasp) taxes.  Taxes are relatively high around here, but the result is that incompetent federal law enforcement or education agencies have very little say in how we run our shiat.
 
2013-07-07 06:40:00 PM

Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.


The cops are less than likely to "catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?" since there is no money in it for them. 8% clearance rate for violent crimes, better than 4:1 odds against getting caught.  Or take NYC and Bloomberg's PRIVATE ARMY whose main job is profiling dark people and collecting revenue for the city. When the riots start after Zimmerman is found not guilty the cops are going to wonder why so few people are willing to back them up,
 
2013-07-07 06:40:24 PM

mark12A: My blood pressure was doing pretty good until I RTFA.

I'm currently building my hobby farm up in New Hampshire. Since I've spent most of my life living or working on military bases, the theme of my farm, Omega Station (so named because it's my very last posting) is going to be sort of a quasi-military base, with a;l the accents I recall from the many bases I've been on, like a flagpole, building border fences made of white painted chain and plumbing pipe, a nifty sign (Welcome to Omega Station - Commanding Officer, Mark12A), a nice red/white antenna tower for TV/CB/Sat internet and other similar touches. I've even gotten Omega Station patches made to wear on my coveralls.

Now I'm getting the idea I'll just get raided within six months of moving in and getting my old Shih Tzu's assassinated just for looking suspicious....


You're building a playground for your murderers. Suggest you have the address listed as a donor with the local police pension organization and every year you invite all of the county judges to a BBQ.

Otherwise construct a panic room and underground phone hardline with the local FBI branch on speeddial (if the cops raid, turn yourself in to federal authorities)
 
2013-07-07 07:16:53 PM
The CATO Institute sponsors an interactive US map to show the locations and details of Botched Paramilitary Police Raids.
 
2013-07-07 07:20:51 PM

d23: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]

"Why are you reading?"


I thought the line was "Whatchu readin' fer?"
 
2013-07-07 07:24:43 PM

ex-nuke: Wasn't it LA that has made it illegal to install a door that is reinforced to be Police Proof?


They're definitely illegal in Oakland.  No all-metal doors, no barred doors, no wooden doors over 2" thick.

Of course, Oakland still bans over-the-counter condom sales, and only legalized jeans for women this decade, so I'm not sure how consistently that's enforced.
 
2013-07-07 07:38:07 PM
People love authority.  Especially American people.

The quickest, surest way to become an outcast in the community is to question authority.

Read the works of Stanley Milgram.
 
2013-07-07 07:40:35 PM
I'm not reading another Balko groaner unless he has a solution. Dude, you've been doing this for the better part of a decade. shiat or get off the pot. Tell us what the answer is.
 
2013-07-07 07:40:42 PM

LeroyBourne: OgreMagi: LeroyBourne: PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.

I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game.  The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in.  Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs.  When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.

That's about how our poker night went.  And the big winner of the night had to buy the snacks on the next poker night.

Do you have that 'one' guy, you know the one who biatches and moans when he loses and wants his money back, then you have to calmly explain the definition of gambling to him?  He's a nice guy, he just gets stupid everyonceinawhile.


When I was about 15, they adults at our fishing/hunting/beer and whiskey drinking camp let me play cars with them.  Bouree's was the game.  My grandma would have been proud as I cleaned them out.  Took every cent from them.

What I quickly realized that since I was now the one with all the cash, and by far the only sober one there, I had to drive a few of them into town to buy more beer and other assorted supplies with 'my' money.  But it was all good since I was able to sample some of winnings.  The chips and dip of course....

I fail to see the problem with 'friendly' gaming environments.  I know for sure I don't want to move to VA anytime soon.  Are the VA police forces just filled with failed FBI, DEA and other a three letter agency dropouts/wannabes?
 
2013-07-07 07:44:04 PM

Astorix: That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.

I'm glad I call Canada home. I hear the "ssssssssssss" of the lit fuse.


Yeah, but both of you will likely never go broke, loose your house and retirement due to medical bills, so you can never truly know what freedom really tastes like.  I would feel sorry for you, but I can't because empathy is socialist.
 
2013-07-07 07:48:06 PM

lostinthebathroom: All cops are heroes, citizen.  The only people who question the police are (right-wing lunatics/Occupy anarchists).  Remember 9/11!

man, I really wish I could move somewhere the cops can only beat you with billy clubs and not shoot you, you know, one of the backwards commie pinko nanny-states like the United Kingdom or Norway.


I did move to Norway- the other day we had a double- homicide in progress called in by a 12 yr old.

Given that it is vacation season, cops had a 3.5 hr response time.

It turned into a double murder suicide.
 
2013-07-07 08:00:36 PM

Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?


Sounds more like: Cop overheard him, put down $50 on the game, lost then kept playing double or nothing till he got to the point he didn't want to pay him back, so he set him up and shot him before he could be identified.
 
2013-07-07 08:01:19 PM

Recoil Therapy: Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing -  The only way that this is going to change is from within.  The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems.  Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable).  The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done.  That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price.  You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing.  If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in.  You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasing

Again, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results.

/still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids


Booby traps?
 
2013-07-07 08:01:58 PM
I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?

Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?
 
2013-07-07 08:02:42 PM

DustBunny: I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?

Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?


Except that they aren't kicking in the doors of some middle-aged teabagger gun nut, are they?
 
2013-07-07 08:04:23 PM

Shostie: nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

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You know, I seriously can't stand eye rolling farks like you who think it's just so amusing when people get angry about what this country is becoming.  Like you're above being worried about living in a police state.  You suck.
 
2013-07-07 08:09:10 PM

fredklein: Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials

Just make it a solid wood door, and a few nice long bolts (make sure they are screwed into the actual frame with long and strong screws).

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Maybe line the inside of the door with a thick sheet of metal.

Of course, the most secure door in the world is useless if it's next to an open window, so you have to be sure to secure the other possible entries, too.


Anybody rich enough to afford pig-proof doors is rich enough to not have to worry about being the victim subject of a no-knock raid.
 
2013-07-07 08:09:40 PM

DustBunny: I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?

Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?


The fact that they have gone over to the same place before, knocked and were politely let in to write the appropriate $100 ticket.

Or the fact that they befriended the suspect and focused in on some middle class nobody for months before popping him in the chest.

Or the fact they had full stakeout on a case where they were 'inspecting' for minor alcohol violations that should not have raised massive armed citizen population.

Or this fancy new thing called 'investigative policing' where you build a case and have a very good idea of what you are walking into.
 
2013-07-07 08:13:55 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


Paramedics.
 
2013-07-07 08:14:02 PM

DustBunny: I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?

Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?


It really doesn't matter, the point is that there is ZERO reason to be raiding a $20 buy in home poker game.  It wouldn't matter if they were armed or not or even if all of them were wearing suicide vests (except by perhaps the other players...) if the police didn't show up in the first place.  It is beyond an asinine waste of time & resources to conduct such raids on those evil pillars of the community.

/of course the police would much rather raid a poker game than go after an armed robber
//the armed robber might actually shoot at them, it's generally much safer to break in on accountants & dentists playing cards & doing nothing wrong other than describing their receptionist's butt & the things they'd like to do to it
///better things to seize through 'asset forfeiture' too
 
2013-07-07 08:15:28 PM

fredklein: Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials

Just make it a solid wood door, and a few nice long bolts (make sure they are screwed into the actual frame with long and strong screws).

[www.thehardwarehut.com image 250x151]

Maybe line the inside of the door with a thick sheet of metal.

Of course, the most secure door in the world is useless if it's next to an open window, so you have to be sure to secure the other possible entries, too.


Layered oak for asthetics, ballistic cloth, steel, insulation for the door.  A modified moment anchored to the footing.  Windows all with 3M or approved equal security film.  Plywood sheathing, fire resistant siding and defensive (i.e. thorny and/or difficult to maneuver through) landscaping.  All that combined with good lines of sight internally and the pigs are reduced to using an armored vehicle.  If I wanted to get even more exotic, the perimeter security uses a lesser version of the passive system used at all secure military installation gates.

It's really nothing more than many of the lesser secure facilities use.  It's enough to keep pretty much anybody out unless they bring up an armored vehicle.  All for the low low price of you can't afford it.  But it can be done.
 
2013-07-07 08:15:36 PM

kim jong-un: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.

Paramedics.


You have to admin, having a police report is handy for the insurance paperwork.
 
2013-07-07 08:16:34 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: [farm5.staticflickr.com image 640x425]

The first frog to get out of the pot blah blah blah


What's stopping ya chief? Enlighten everyone...
 
2013-07-07 08:23:01 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


FYI, I assume you do not plan on having windows or any other openings that are large enough for a human body to pass?  I also suppose that your walls will be of similar or stronger construction to prevent them from just leaving the door alone?  At that point, why arent you just living in a bunker?

Hope you enjoy the mold due to a lack of fresh air....

If you are going to do it, look at the decommissioned Minuteman silos, a 3+ ton door minimizes ANY chance of a surprise entry.  Then again, so does the fact that living in one requires you to live in BFE nowhere.

/wont link the video of the SWAT team bashing on the apartment door.
 
2013-07-07 08:25:23 PM

pxlboy: Except that they aren't kicking in the doors of some middle-aged teabagger gun nut, are they?


How do they know? They can't exactly check the local gun registry can they...
 
2013-07-07 08:28:03 PM

DustBunny: How do they know?


Really? How does a police department that is charged with investigating crimes learn things about potential criminal targets? Really?
 
2013-07-07 08:32:13 PM

LordJiro: No, decades of increasingly-advanced police and military armor, weapons and tactics that far outclass any wannabe revolutionary's arsenal are making sure you can't do that.


This doesnt matter much when you are in a guerilla war against a force that doesn't want to bomb you.
Nobody is going to go EFF YEAHHHH. I just blew up main street....wwwwwwot!
 
2013-07-07 08:33:31 PM

dig420: You know, I seriously can't stand eye rolling farks like you who think it's just so amusing when people get angry about what this country is becoming. Like you're above being worried about living in a police state. You suck.


Are you sure it's the impotent rage he's amused by or the way it evaporates the moment celebrity gossip splashes across the headlines and the next reality TV show is announced?
 
2013-07-07 08:35:49 PM

skozlaw: Really? How does a police department that is charged with investigating crimes learn things about potential criminal targets? Really?


So Americans do everything they can to prevent the govt knowing what guns they might have purchased or acquired (with the subtext being that if they don't know if you've got them they have to assume you've got them so they can't oppress you), then complain when it's hard to find out what guns someone might have purchased or acquired and the cops have to assume you've got them?

The whole uber-militarised police thing is a logical extension of the whole semi-militarised society that a lot of people seem to think they want, ie everyone should have a firearm to launch a revolution or resist the govt at the drop of a hat.

Would cops having to out-gun the populace be considered and unintended consequence?
 
2013-07-07 08:43:23 PM

Babwa Wawa: I come from a long line of civil servants - police and teachers, in fact.  The compensation for both can be quite good, or it can be quite bad.  Teachers in my town have media pay of about $70k.


Well no wonder so many municipalities are going broke.
 
2013-07-07 08:46:33 PM

d23: I think you must underestimate how "bread and circuses" television is manipulating the knowledge on the ground in the U.S.   There is no left or right bias, there is a pro-corporate bias in the U.S. media.  Certain items never get discussed.  Have you ever heard a fair discussion of corporate personhood in the commercial media?  How about even a discussion about Internet downloading where the downloaders aren't labeled "pirates" from the very start?


Well, we could call them gypsies, tramps, and thieves if you like, rather than pirates.
 
2013-07-07 10:02:37 PM
Here in Flint, Michigan, not that long ago, an off duty cop was working as security for a private club where they did nothing but play Texas Hold-em. When some asshat tried to rob the place with a shotgun, the cop shot and killed him. This is not to say that cops here aren't a-holes because I went to high school with one of the Lt's and he hasn't changed one bit since then but we have very, very few cops here anymore so we mostly provide home security for each other - i.e., everyone I know has some sort of weapon be it a rifle, shotgun and/or pistol. We have very few home crimes around my neighborhood anymore.

Not all places are Police States.
 
2013-07-07 10:09:01 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


Start a train of thought, encourage people to ask you about it, then become ridiculously condescending, without answering in an educational way.

Don't you go changing, Fark!
 
2013-07-07 10:09:34 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: Not long ago the cops where I live responded to an auto accident and determined the old guy (a physician) was under the influence and told the EMT that wanted to take dude to the hospital to chill out, dude was only drunk. Except dude was having a stroke and ended up with permanent brain damage. The lawsuit that followed had the cops blaming the EMTs and visa-versa. Bottom line, dude had a stroke and the cops didn't allow him to go to the emergency room.

Same town, drunk dude laying beside the street, unarmed, beaten severely by several cops and attacked by K9 because he was "resisting". Dude dies at the emergency room of heart attack. That lawsuit has yet to hit the courts.


I am somewhat thankful that one of the DAs near where I live will actually stand up to the police. There are 3 officers currently facing felony charges, including one for murder, after killing a homeless schizophrenic man simply because he didn't sit exactly how the one officer wanted him to. Of course murder cop was audio taping the entire encounter (including the officer blatantly threatening the homeless man) while it was also being filmed by the transit center's CCT system. The synched audio/video is rather chilling.

/I hope all three officer's enjoy their time in general population
//I think I hear a knock at my door now...
 
2013-07-07 11:14:09 PM

starsrift: JerkyMeat: Every local community should document each individual on their police force as to where they live and who are members of their family.

That's actually a fascinating idea.

A .org website that is a wikipedia(or quasi-wiki) of every cop in in every city with pics and details submitted by local residents. Would that inspire police to take more care and responsibility for their actions?


I would ask for a quote on liability insurance before I did that, and be guided by the insurance companies' responses.
 
2013-07-07 11:16:05 PM

HempHead: Soon in the United States, whatever is not mandatory, will be illegal. And what is not illegal, will be mandatory.


What's fapping going to be?
 
2013-07-07 11:22:34 PM

DustBunny: I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?

Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?


So the response is to run in guns blazing? That's foolish, it's called police work. Look around find out about the people and their habbits. It costs about 1/10 as much if that and is far more effective.


People have to stop making excuses for police acting in this way. I live in a rough neighborhood and they don't do this shiat for every misstep so why to some professionals or retirees having fun with their own money?
 
2013-07-07 11:33:01 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Babwa Wawa: I come from a long line of civil servants - police and teachers, in fact.  The compensation for both can be quite good, or it can be quite bad.  Teachers in my town have media pay of about $70k.

Well no wonder so many municipalities are going broke.


The good ones teach the youngens not to end up short sighted fools like us too stupid to see education as a sound investment
 
2013-07-07 11:38:18 PM
As far as these 'regualtory inspections' go, I imagine once a court or legislature says 'sorry boys, drug evidence you found while inspecting people for proper barber permits is inadmissible' that crap would quit pretty quick. It's a crappy end run around the 4th and they know it. Same goes for bar inspections. There is no justifiable reason to search everybody in the place for anything other than an ID that shows they're of age, and you only have to ask for that, zip cuffs are not required.
 
2013-07-08 12:09:03 AM

jaybeezey: Smeggy Smurf: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.

That's going to happen first.

/ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

How's your back door design? Wink!


Heeeehehehe...anus...heh heh
 
2013-07-08 12:12:57 AM

humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....


Here is mine...

i297.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-08 02:34:42 AM

filter: I did move to Norway- the other day we had a double- homicide in progress called in by a 12 yr old.

Given that it is vacation season, cops had a 3.5 hr response time.

It turned into a double murder suicide.


...And as a result, the Stavanger police department is under investigation:

Nettavisen
Dagbladet
(both in norwegian)

Frankly, the more I hear about Stavanger, the more I think there's something seriously wrong with that town. Broken healthcare system as well.
 
2013-07-08 02:43:09 AM

fredklein: Just make it a solid wood door, and a few nice long bolts (make sure they are screwed into the actual frame with long and strong screws).


www.thehardwarehut.com

Maybe line the inside of the door with a thick sheet of metal.

My former grower-neighbour had a door like that.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-08 07:04:48 AM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


You know what the cops are going to do after you're robbed? Not a damn thing. If you're lucky they might file a report. If they feel like it that is. They're certainly not going to recover any stolen property and return it much less do anything else useful. They're really good at harassing people for no good reason though. Seems to be one of their favorites pastimes and I'm white...which is probably the only reason I haven't been shot by them yet.

About the only people I want to see after an accident are the EMTs. At least they're helpful.
 
2013-07-08 07:54:45 AM
Police are disgusting animals that have been given way too much power in our society and a culling is in order.
 
2013-07-08 08:16:12 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
Ten seconds later this kitty was nothing but a red mist.
The officers were questioned and said that the cat made aggressive moves in their direction.
The cat owner was fined for having a dangerous animal
The officers were given two weeks paid vacation for the incident.
 
2013-07-08 08:34:46 AM

pxlboy: Except that they aren't kicking in the doors of some middle-aged teabagger gun nut, are they?


Of course not. That would put officers at risk.

/did you think that when I said "your freedom depends on having a Republican president," I somehow meant, "MY freedom depends on having a Republican president?"
//mock and filter me as much as you want, it will only make the end result that much harder for you to understand
 
2013-07-08 09:05:02 AM
The heavily armored orcs dropped like flies as Legolas shot them through the neck with his swift arrows.
 
2013-07-08 09:10:32 AM

Trid_Kicker: wide_eyed: As much as I support cops in general, I truly hope the ones who do this sort of thing get what they deserve. Their fellow cops need to stop covering up for them and supporting them when they f*ck up.

THIS.

I have always believed that "bad apples bring everybody down" and that "good" cops (or firefighters, or teachers, or whatever-profession) have a moral and professional obligation NOT to support the bad-among-them (and every profession has its miscreants).  But by clinging to "no-snitch" mantras and defending bad cops simply because they're cops, they're doing themselves a disservice in the long run.

And we're seeing the results right here -- in the ever-growing public mistrust of what used to be unimpeachable professions.


Oh, legally, they're still unimpeachable. The power trusts them. Fark the public. They're not ultimately responsible to the public.
 
2013-07-08 09:19:25 AM
I had the swat team show up at my apartment door one morning. Turns out that overnight some meth-head had stolen a car, then took the license plate from my car (the screws were still on the ground behind it) because it matched the make and model, and was later arrested. After the cops got done questioning me, the officer in charge returned my license plate and said (no joke) "You need to do a better job of keeping track of this."
 
2013-07-08 09:56:53 AM
A little Godwin before its over ...

When they just harassed black people, I didn't worry because I wasn't black ...

When they just harassed Mexicans ,I didn't worry because I wasn't Mexican ...

When they started harassing me, everyone else just pointed and said, "Welcome to our world you stupid cracker."

 
2013-07-08 09:59:13 AM
A little Godwin before its over:

When they just harassed black people, I didn't worry because I wasn't black ...

When they just harassed Mexicans ,I didn't worry because I wasn't Mexican ...

When they started harassing me, the others just laughed and said, "Welcome to our world you stupid cracker."

 
2013-07-08 11:49:14 AM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


If a cop somehow manages to show up just in the nick of time and leap directly into the path of a bullet meant for me, hey, that's great. That's probably the most useful thing a cop can do in any given situation (and I do mean *any* situation - gangland driveby, political riot, baby shower, whatever).

Otherwise, I'd prefer the services of, literally, any other branch of emergency services.
 
2013-07-08 12:08:50 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


They generally don't break the door, it's the doorframe that gives. They make a blade style deadbolt, where the deadbolt is like a yard wide. That will stop a no-knock bash. It won't stop them from chopping through your wall, since most houses are not that tough. You can get into most houses with a utility knife, they are just plaster and vinyl. Windows are also obvious points of egress.
 
2013-07-08 01:34:25 PM
If your city doesn't have a bank robbery and hostage situation on a daily basis, you've got to find a use for the SWAT team, otherwise justify the cost of keeping one.  Just another bloated bureacracy finding meaning for their contuniued existence at the cost of the tax payers.  The bloat.  It's everywhere!
 
2013-07-08 01:37:17 PM
Follow up

So if accidentally shoot a cop with out malice I can expect no charges to be filled just like this guy?
 
2013-07-08 01:44:05 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


And your windows?
 
2013-07-08 01:49:44 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


Not only did the cops botch the investigation into my dad's death, but there was a woman in my neighborhood who was attacked in a stairwell by a rapist. 3 neighbors including myself saw it and chased the man off just as he was banging her head against the wall. We called the NYPD. Not one of us was ever spoken to by a cop. We followed up. They put us off and let drop.

Finally, I WAS mugged once on East 14th Street. I saw the building the 3 muggers ran to and I ran to the nearest cop car and reported it. They didn't even take a report. They told me it would be my word against the accused and the cops even went so far as to say (exact quote) "what do you expect us to do about your problems?"

Real police response to emergencies and crime is the exception - not the rule. It's entirely based on how much public scrutiny they will get versus the PR they can generate and they weigh how much work they will have to do against the likelihood of a conviction that will look good on the record.

You need a more realistic image of the cops than the one you have, moron.
 
2013-07-08 01:52:24 PM
And by the way, while we on the left are congratulating Hollywood for their contribution to the sea change in gay issues, we should also point out that same Hollywood is very deeply responsible for the societal fellatio that we give cops.
 
2013-07-08 02:05:50 PM

DustBunny: I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?

Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?


Um...farking police work? Investigation? Surveillance? The cops involved in shiat like this should be executed.
 
2013-07-08 02:25:03 PM
Well, or imprisoned in gen pop, at the very least.
 
2013-07-08 03:39:03 PM

gshepnyc: And by the way, while we on the left are congratulating Hollywood for their contribution to the sea change in gay issues, we should also point out that same Hollywood is very deeply responsible for the societal fellatio that we give cops.


Hmmm, I'm not sure they really deserve the credit or blame in either case... Maybe, possibly, the former, in some very small part... But, cop worship? Wouldn't that imply that cops were always shown as heroes and saints, and there were no movies/shows with bad cops depicted? Because, I'm pretty sure I've seen a few of those!
 
2013-07-08 04:12:16 PM

RobSeace: gshepnyc: And by the way, while we on the left are congratulating Hollywood for their contribution to the sea change in gay issues, we should also point out that same Hollywood is very deeply responsible for the societal fellatio that we give cops.

Hmmm, I'm not sure they really deserve the credit or blame in either case... Maybe, possibly, the former, in some very small part... But, cop worship? Wouldn't that imply that cops were always shown as heroes and saints, and there were no movies/shows with bad cops depicted? Because, I'm pretty sure I've seen a few of those!


I think they were referring more to the fact that, in fiction, protagonist police characters frequently do things that are illegal, unethical, unconstitutional, or outright criminal, and it's presented as being okay because they're the good guy and the recipient of their mistreatment is the bad guy.

I caught an episode of Longmire the other week where our rustic protagonist drilled a fleeing suspect at long range.  He approaches the (critically) injured badguy and pumps him for information, with the promise to summon medical help as soon as the guy tells him what he wants to know.  After the badguy caves, Longmire walks away from the screaming, bleeding gunshot victim and casually states, "I don't have a cellphone," presumably leaving him to bleed out.
 
2013-07-08 04:49:57 PM

China White Tea: I think they were referring more to the fact that, in fiction, protagonist police characters frequently do things that are illegal, unethical, unconstitutional, or outright criminal, and it's presented as being okay because they're the good guy and the recipient of their mistreatment is the bad guy.


OK, I suppose I can see that in some cases... Even when they try to obviously depict such actions as morally wrong, some people don't get it... I know lots of people considered Vic Mackey from "The Shield" to be a good guy! And, I thought they were pretty damn clear in communicating how evil he really was... (I have to admit, I found myself rooting for him on a few occassions, as well, but I thought it was pretty clear he was definitely a very bad guy... But, when your protagonist is evil, you just often end up rooting for evil to triumph for the sake of the story, anyway... I root for Dexter, but I'm under no illusions that he's a good guy or someone to emulate!)
 
2013-07-08 06:32:59 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Jefferson County, Colorado, deputies unknowingly clashed with and then pepper-sprayed undercover Denver cops posing as violent protesters.

[censored.fr image 500x280]


So, F_lse F_ag?
 
2013-07-08 06:43:33 PM
pixhost.me

"Let me tell you something - last time I read a book, I was raped.  Let that be a lesson to you."
 
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