Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the policeBut who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?Morons.
OhioUGrad: Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.
FARK rebel soldier: Jefferson County, Colorado, deputies unknowingly clashed with and then pepper-sprayed undercover Denver cops posing as violent protesters.[censored.fr image 500x280]
Smeggy Smurf: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.[generatormeme.com image 600x450]Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?So, what are you gonna do? What can we do?The police only care about themselves, and their pensions. Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.That's going to happen first./ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.
Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the policeBut who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?Morons.It's true. We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.*nods*You go ahead and take that attitude.I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?You people make me sick.Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.
Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted. You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama/4 dead in Ohio
Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the policeBut who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?
Barfmaker: It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
ghare: Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted. You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama/4 dead in OhioIn the world of Nemo's Bunghole and the rest of the teatards, facts are not really useful in a discussion.You cannot reason them out of a position they didn't reason them selves into. Obama is a libby lib lib commie to them, and they hate him (amd you) EVEN MORE when you point out he's really a Republican.
Vienna: OhioUGrad: Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.I know many "heavily armed Americans" who individually have more/better firearms than many (if not all) of their local police departments. Hell, I know of two people who own actually tanks, and I don't mean small armored personal carriers, I mean TANKS. High-caliber fully automatic assault rifles are more prevalent in American urban areas than some people would like you to know.That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.
JerkyMeat: Every local community should document each individual on their police force as to where they live and who are members of their family.
MuonNeutrino: Uncle Tractor:wtfiswrongwiththosepeople.pjgI decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again. I think I'll stick to that decision. Meanwhile, TFA makes me wonder whether the US is a third-world banana-republic with a first-world facade. I think you guys might be in some deep shiat, and it'll only get worse....But then again, it might not be as bad as it looks from the other side of the AtlanticNo, it *is* as bad as it looks. It's just that you're far enough away and have enough rationality around for comparison that you can actually see it, while the vast majority of people here are too busy watching 'reality' TV or similarly sticking their heads in the sand to notice. And so you get all of the comfortably simmering frogs croaking about how everything's fine, and they're loud enough that they actually do manage to convince some outside observers that they're right.I think outsiders actually usually have the best view of what's going wrong in a culture. They may miss or misinterpret some things due to not having a close view, but the ability to avoid all of the cultural blinders and comfortable assumptions more than makes up for it. It amuses me, in a frustrating sort of way, to watch americans pointing out all of the flaws they see in european countries (in many cases correctly, at least in my opinion) while being completely oblivious to the house burning down right behind them./sometimes I wonder if I should try to get out of here...
eventhelosers: rev. dave: It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down. What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming. There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this. We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions. We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.completely understood, and if some of us feel this way now, what about our children, what will it be like for them to face it?
Nemo's Brother: I was inquiring about the pig-proof door design. As a future homeowner, I am curious.
Barfmaker: local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. They issued forty-one citations, all of them misdemeanors.Impressive.It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
BarkingUnicorn: lostcat: Weaver95:For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.I tend to agree as well. Currently in Vietnam, where you'd have to actually hit someone with your car to get a traffic citation, and even that could be avoided with a big enough bribe.Basically, if you have the money to bribe the right people, you have unlimited freedom.Unless of course you want to complain about the government.In the US, I can complain about the government all day and night and it's not going to amount to much.Of course, any tiny infraction of a traffic rule will get me pulled over, or automatically cited by camera.I have to follow a ridiculous number of regulations, or even hire a lawyer, if I want to start a small business. Kids get their lemonade stands closed down by cops. In Vietnam I can just start selling whatever I want on the sidewalk, as long as I offer a small cut to any officials who come to inquire about it.But more importantly, in Vietnam, people tend to not jump down each others' throats if they think the other person is getting an unfair advantage by breaking some social convention, while in the US, you get people riding your bumper and flipping you off if you make the mistake of driving driving the actual posted speed limit, instead of going 5-10 MPH over it.Basically there's more of a feeling of freedom in some of the places that are technically not free. The only thing that seems better in the US is the reduced amount of government corruption, but we're not even completely free of that. And honestly, I think I could get by not starting a blog to complain about the government if I had to.Interesting points. What some call freedom is what others call lawlessness. You can have too much freedom or too many laws. I think the U. S. is in the "too many laws" phase now, and headed further in that direction.
puffy999: Smeggy Smurf: You can't afford it. It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes. But it damned well will scoff at even a .50I should think about getting into this industry...I live in an area that's incredibly poor, and kept that way, but there are a LOT of people with money around here who have a lot of fear of the local population. Home invasions are not uncommon, but random acts of violence in another person's home generally are uncommon (now, acts of violence involving associated people, addicts, and the like...).
Empty H: Dafatone: Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?I'm pretty sure the article said that it was a different cop who hadn't slept in however many hours and shot the guy.But yeah. Ugh.Ah, thank you. Apparently I haven't gotten enough sleep today.
basemetal: In January 2011, the Culosi family accepted a $2 million settlement offer from Fairfax County. That same year, Virginia's government spent $20 million promoting the state lottery.I wish they wouldn't settle these things. I have a feeling a jury would show just how much the people are outraged.
Babwa Wawa: Huck And Molly Ziegler: I recognize this won't be a popular viewpoint, but until cops are paid better -- which would allow cities the luxury of NOT having to employ every other malcontent bully who fills out an application form, but instead hire the better men and women out there who would be seeking that better salary -- then this trend will continue.If you gotta have a warm body out there, some places will cut corners, and that includes hiring men and women who are only 60 percent ethical, rather than 99 percent ethical.((The above also applies to teachers, in my opinion. If I won a 200 million dollar lottery, I'd fund a school system with $80,000-a-year elementary-school teachers just to see what happens.))I come from a long line of civil servants - police and teachers, in fact. The compensation for both can be quite good, or it can be quite bad. Teachers in my town have media pay of about $70k. Police are compensated better (but work more hours during the year, so it's probably about even). Cops and teachers can retire after 20 years.We have a good school system, but it's as much due to the fact that parents in the town care as it is quality of the teachers. And we don't have a militarized police force, but that's because the upper and upper-middle class people who live here do not want to see douchebags in camoflage patrolling their streets. That would be bad for property values.
TheBigJerk: Teacher and police compensation are both really good and really bad. They get paid better than the average prole, but their job is super high-stress and has shiat hours.
mark12A: My blood pressure was doing pretty good until I RTFA.I'm currently building my hobby farm up in New Hampshire. Since I've spent most of my life living or working on military bases, the theme of my farm, Omega Station (so named because it's my very last posting) is going to be sort of a quasi-military base, with a;l the accents I recall from the many bases I've been on, like a flagpole, building border fences made of white painted chain and plumbing pipe, a nifty sign (Welcome to Omega Station - Commanding Officer, Mark12A), a nice red/white antenna tower for TV/CB/Sat internet and other similar touches. I've even gotten Omega Station patches made to wear on my coveralls.Now I'm getting the idea I'll just get raided within six months of moving in and getting my old Shih Tzu's assassinated just for looking suspicious....
d23: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]"Why are you reading?"
ex-nuke: Wasn't it LA that has made it illegal to install a door that is reinforced to be Police Proof?
LeroyBourne: OgreMagi: LeroyBourne: PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening. Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game. The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in. Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs. When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.That's about how our poker night went. And the big winner of the night had to buy the snacks on the next poker night.Do you have that 'one' guy, you know the one who biatches and moans when he loses and wants his money back, then you have to calmly explain the definition of gambling to him? He's a nice guy, he just gets stupid everyonceinawhile.
Astorix: That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.I'm glad I call Canada home. I hear the "ssssssssssss" of the lit fuse.
lostinthebathroom: All cops are heroes, citizen. The only people who question the police are (right-wing lunatics/Occupy anarchists). Remember 9/11!man, I really wish I could move somewhere the cops can only beat you with billy clubs and not shoot you, you know, one of the backwards commie pinko nanny-states like the United Kingdom or Norway.
Recoil Therapy: Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing - The only way that this is going to change is from within. The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems. Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable). The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done. That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price. You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing. If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in. You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasingAgain, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results./still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids
DustBunny: I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?
Shostie: nmemkha: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.[i681.photobucket.com image 383x300]
fredklein: Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.This is me asking....You can't afford it. It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes. But it damned well will scoff at even a .50/incorporated millibar and other exotic materialsJust make it a solid wood door, and a few nice long bolts (make sure they are screwed into the actual frame with long and strong screws).[www.thehardwarehut.com image 250x151]Maybe line the inside of the door with a thick sheet of metal.Of course, the most secure door in the world is useless if it's next to an open window, so you have to be sure to secure the other possible entries, too.
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