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2013-07-07 04:49:48 PM
My blood pressure was doing pretty good until I RTFA.

I'm currently building my hobby farm up in New Hampshire. Since I've spent most of my life living or working on military bases, the theme of my farm, Omega Station (so named because it's my very last posting) is going to be sort of a quasi-military base, with a;l the accents I recall from the many bases I've been on, like a flagpole, building border fences made of white painted chain and plumbing pipe, a nifty sign (Welcome to Omega Station - Commanding Officer, Mark12A), a nice red/white antenna tower for TV/CB/Sat internet and other similar touches. I've even gotten Omega Station patches made to wear on my coveralls.

Now I'm getting the idea I'll just get raided within six months of moving in and getting my old Shih Tzu's assassinated just for looking suspicious....
 
2013-07-07 04:50:15 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


"Thank you for calling 911.  We're sorry, all our officers are raiding a Saturday poker night in Fred's rumpus room.  We will respond to your emergency in the order your call was received.  Your call is important to us, so stay on the line to take this short survey for quality purposes."
 
2013-07-07 04:50:26 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.



It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.
 
2013-07-07 04:50:48 PM

OhioUGrad: Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.


I know many "heavily armed Americans" who individually have more/better firearms than many (if not all) of their local police departments.  Hell, I know of two people who own actually tanks, and I don't mean small armored personal carriers, I mean TANKS.  High-caliber fully automatic assault rifles are more prevalent in American urban areas than some people would like you to know.

That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.
 
2013-07-07 04:50:48 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Jefferson County, Colorado, deputies unknowingly clashed with and then pepper-sprayed undercover Denver cops posing as violent protesters.

[censored.fr image 500x280]


Still can't watch that curb stomping bit in in American History X
 
2013-07-07 04:52:09 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.

That's going to happen first.

/ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.


How's your back door design? Wink!
 
2013-07-07 04:56:07 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


You mean AFTER you get robbed, shot, or mugged?  Cops, minutes away when seconds count.  I'm more likely to get shot by an overzealous cop than a terrorist, anarchist, hippie, gangster, or Raider Fan.  Well, maybe not a Raider Fan.
 
2013-07-07 04:57:18 PM
 All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.


You mean AFTER you get robbed, shot, or mugged?  Cops, minutes away when seconds count.  I'm more likely to get shot by an overzealous cop than a terrorist, anarchist, hippie, gangster, or Raider Fan.  Well, maybe not a Raider Fan.


"Not I, said the pig."
"Not I, said the dog."
 
2013-07-07 04:57:57 PM

raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?


Www.change.org
 
2013-07-07 04:58:49 PM
    
Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.
 
2013-07-07 05:00:15 PM
And this is a story that warrants a list of things to do. Ahem

Steps.

1. Get not morally outraged at peoples friendly wagers, but that you're not getting your cut for your pork barrel projects.
2. Find some guys that make friendly wagers on games.
3. Make friends with them, and talk them into higher bets, thus gaining felony convictions.
4. Get an arrest warrant and wait for the unarmed and non violent "friend" to come to get paid, with a fully geared out swat team.
5. Shoot the unarmed civilian in a fit of orgasmic self righteousness, shoot him dead. That will teach him not to give up the state's cut.
6. Pay off the family after battling your un winnable case, thus wasting more taxpayer money.
7. Promote YOUR lottery that is rigged on your side, thus teaching the populace who's in charge, and where the real game is.
8. Profit.
 
2013-07-07 05:00:22 PM
eventhelosers:

yeah how about NO, that's farking sick

No, what was sick was what was suggested be done to the kid if a cop killed an innocent person & essentially walked away, that was disgusting.  A bloody nose & a few scrapes that will heal in a day or two to send a strong message might do the trick for some (& it might send others completely over the edge).  However you have to admit that if an entire community is intelligence gathering on it's police force & doing this that it is WAY too far gone for administrative changes.  At that point it is only a couple of short steps to essentially open warfare.

Again, I'm not encouraging this nor saying that we're there yet, but things are getting to a critical point in a lot of places.  It isn't just the poor areas & those of darker hues that are being abused by the police.  I hope that the police recognize the dangerous direction that they are pushing people in, I fear that they don't, but I hope they do & take corrective action soon.
 
2013-07-07 05:00:34 PM

Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.



Whoa, whoa, WHOA!  How do I not know about this!?
 
2013-07-07 05:07:02 PM

Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


The power grab has been going on for a long time too. I'm so old I remember when police couldn't seize your vehicle, period. Then you started seeing DPS in Camaros and Mustang GT's. Now it seems like every other police car is an SUV.

We, the people, are either going to have to reclaim our rights or lose the rest of them. Political affiliation, gender, race, everything aside. Human rights.
 
2013-07-07 05:07:23 PM

Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Paramedics.  WTF is a cop gonna do besides bother me with questions while I'm bleeding to death?
 
2013-07-07 05:08:50 PM
If more things were legal for civilians, we'd see a lot less deaths by cop. Gambling, drugs, prostitution, all those should be legal. Then the cops would never have any reason to shoot people reading books.
 
2013-07-07 05:09:51 PM

Barfmaker: It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.


If we were concerned about wasting resources...  I mean shiat dude the US is committed to spend 700 billion over the next 10 years to 'modernize' our nuclear weapons stockpile. For what, 80's era nukes aren't scary enough?  It's not like a Pu239 pit goes bad.  Seriously if we were smart we'd let the Russians build nukes for us, for a tenth the cost, just like rocket engines.

Seriously ask for funding for basic research, infrastructure, education, and the red pens come out.  Ask for money for police, spooks, and 'defense related pork and OMFG terrorism! how much money do you need!!!
 
2013-07-07 05:10:48 PM

ghare: Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio

In the world of Nemo's Bunghole and the rest of the teatards, facts are not really useful in a discussion.

You cannot reason them out of a position they didn't reason them selves into. Obama is a libby lib lib commie to them, and they hate him (amd you) EVEN MORE when you point out he's really a Republican.


Right? Because if he was a lefty he would be a sweetheart like Stalin, Mao were.

If you don't think both sides of the aisle are only interested in control then you have fallen into the trap game that is politics.
 
2013-07-07 05:11:05 PM
I just watched a cop shoot a dog dead with little provocation so my sympathy for them is ebbing pretty low today:

http://www.upworthy.com/dog-tries-to-save-owner-after-cops-handcuff- hi m-what-ensues-is-heartbreaking-2

The dude was filming the cops and they didn't like that.
 
2013-07-07 05:11:39 PM

Vienna: OhioUGrad: Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.

I know many "heavily armed Americans" who individually have more/better firearms than many (if not all) of their local police departments.  Hell, I know of two people who own actually tanks, and I don't mean small armored personal carriers, I mean TANKS.  High-caliber fully automatic assault rifles are more prevalent in American urban areas than some people would like you to know.

That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.


Wish I could join you in that statement.

Swat is a different beast then just the typical local law though.
 
2013-07-07 05:16:15 PM

Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.


Not long ago the cops where I live responded to an auto accident and determined the old guy (a physician) was under the influence and told the EMT  that wanted to take dude to the hospital to chill out, dude was only drunk. Except dude was having a stroke and ended up with permanent brain damage.  The lawsuit that followed had the cops blaming the EMTs and visa-versa.  Bottom line, dude had a stroke and the cops didn't allow him to go to the emergency room.

Same town, drunk dude laying beside the street, unarmed, beaten severely by several cops and attacked by K9 because he was "resisting".  Dude dies at the emergency room of heart attack.  That lawsuit has yet to hit the courts.

"Oh please come to my assistance Mr. Cop, how could it possibly not help me?"

Keep sucking that law enforcement cawk if you want.
 
2013-07-07 05:18:56 PM

Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.


I was googling "failure to aid a police officer" when I came across a statute that made it crime for a police officer to fail to render first aid to an injured citizen.  I forget which State.  But think about that. Legislators felt it necessary to use the threat of criminal punishment to ensure cops render first aid.
 
2013-07-07 05:22:15 PM

JerkyMeat: Every local community should document each individual on their police force as to where they live and who are members of their family.


That's actually a fascinating idea.

A .org website that is a wikipedia(or quasi-wiki) of every cop in in every city with pics and details submitted by local residents. Would that inspire police to take more care and responsibility for their actions?
 
2013-07-07 05:27:09 PM

MuonNeutrino: Uncle Tractor:
wtfiswrongwiththosepeople.pjg

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again. I think I'll stick to that decision. Meanwhile, TFA makes me wonder whether the US is a third-world banana-republic with a first-world facade. I think you guys might be in some deep shiat, and it'll only get worse.

...But then again, it might not be as bad as it looks from the other side of the Atlantic

No, it *is* as bad as it looks. It's just that you're far enough away and have enough rationality around for comparison that you can actually see it, while the vast majority of people here are too busy watching 'reality' TV or similarly sticking their heads in the sand to notice. And so you get all of the comfortably simmering frogs croaking about how everything's fine, and they're loud enough that they actually do manage to convince some outside observers that they're right.

I think outsiders actually usually have the best view of what's going wrong in a culture. They may miss or misinterpret some things due to not having a close view, but the ability to avoid all of the cultural blinders and comfortable assumptions more than makes up for it. It amuses me, in a frustrating sort of way, to watch americans pointing out all of the flaws they see in european countries (in many cases correctly, at least in my opinion) while being completely oblivious to the house burning down right behind them.

/sometimes I wonder if I should try to get out of here...


Yes. You should.
 
2013-07-07 05:39:49 PM

eventhelosers: rev. dave: It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down.    What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.   There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this.
  We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions.  We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.

completely understood, and if some of us feel this way now, what about our children, what will it be like for them to face it?


When people have nothing left and nothing left to lose, they will rebel.
 
2013-07-07 05:42:33 PM

Vienna: OhioUGrad: Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.

I know many "heavily armed Americans" who individually have more/better firearms than many (if not all) of their local police departments.  Hell, I know of two people who own actually tanks, and I don't mean small armored personal carriers, I mean TANKS.  High-caliber fully automatic assault rifles are more prevalent in American urban areas than some people would like you to know.

That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.


I'm glad I call Canada home. I hear the "ssssssssssss" of the lit fuse.
 
2013-07-07 05:43:30 PM

Nemo's Brother: I was inquiring about the pig-proof door design.  As a future homeowner, I am curious.


From "You couldn't afford it" the answer is pretty clearly, "expensive armored door."  Honestly pretty easystraightforward to make, just have a heavy-duty frame, super-tough hinges, and construct it out of steel, or tungsten, or whatever.   Door strength is mostly limited by price of construction material and weight of construction material.  The tougher the door, the harder to open and harder to support (hinges and doorframe) it is and the more it costs to make (and maintain, if you're using mechanical-assist opening). Also the locking mechanism is a concern, but it basically boils down to "have more deadbolts in more positions around the frame."

Thing is, if you can afford a "pig-proof door" you can probably afford "knows the (insert politician here) personally and you better not fark with her/him," protection plan, which is less likely to get your dog (who was outside) shot or your windows broken when they launch tear gas at you.

Sorry, I got interested in the wrong part of this thread didn't I?  Moving back on topic, a part of the general acceptance of the "police state" is the fact that, right or wrong, it looks like it worked.  Remember New York in the 80s?  The stereotype of its horrific crime rate, the way SNL could do sketches based on how dangerous the streets were?  Giuliani's "street-level fascism" coincided with the drop starting.  Correlation may not equal causation but it's still pretty compelling to anyone who's old enough to remember and (being that old) tired of worrying about it every damn day?

If you wanna fight the LEAs' various mission creeps, that is a hill you'll have to climb.
 
2013-07-07 05:44:21 PM

Barfmaker: local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. They issued forty-one citations, all of them misdemeanors.

Impressive.

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.


How was it a bad use of resources? They made a profit by grabbing every dollar in the place, I wonder who got to keep the booze?
 
2013-07-07 05:51:58 PM
No comment because this is so wrong, I'll get in trouble saying what I want to say
 
2013-07-07 05:52:15 PM

BarkingUnicorn: lostcat: Weaver95:

For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.


I tend to agree as well. Currently in Vietnam, where you'd have to actually hit someone with your car to get a traffic citation, and even that could be avoided with a big enough bribe.

Basically, if you have the money to bribe the right people, you have unlimited freedom.

Unless of course you want to complain about the government.

In the US, I can complain about the government all day and night and it's not going to amount to much.

Of course, any tiny infraction of a traffic rule will get me pulled over, or automatically cited by camera.

I have to follow a ridiculous number of regulations, or even hire a lawyer, if I want to start a small business. Kids get their lemonade stands closed down by cops. In Vietnam I can just start selling whatever I want on the sidewalk, as long as I offer a small cut to any officials who come to inquire about it.

But more importantly, in Vietnam, people tend to not jump down each others' throats if they think the other person is getting an unfair advantage by breaking some social convention, while in the US, you get people riding your bumper and flipping you off if you make the mistake of driving driving the actual posted speed limit, instead of going 5-10 MPH over it.

Basically there's more of a feeling of freedom in some of the places that are technically not free. The only thing that seems better in the US is the reduced amount of government corruption, but we're not even completely free of that. And honestly, I think I could get by not starting a blog to complain about the government if I had to.

Interesting points.   What some call freedom is  what others call lawlessness. You can have too much freedom or too many laws.  I think the U. S. is in the "too many laws" phase now, and headed further in that direction.




Soon in the United States, whatever is not mandatory, will be illegal. And what is not illegal, will be mandatory.
 
2013-07-07 05:59:00 PM

puffy999: Smeggy Smurf: You can't afford it. It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes. But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

I should think about getting into this industry...

I live in an area that's incredibly poor, and kept that way, but there are a LOT of people with money around here who have a lot of fear of the local population. Home invasions are not uncommon, but random acts of violence in another person's home generally are uncommon (now, acts of violence involving associated people, addicts, and the like...).


Wasn't it LA that has made it illegal to install a door that is reinforced to be Police Proof?
 
2013-07-07 05:59:22 PM
Uncle Tractor:

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again.


I work in the tech sector and you'd be surprised to hear how many need convincing to enter the US for business trips. I'd imagine the tourism sector is being affected similarly.
 
2013-07-07 06:00:21 PM
see, cops now have to manufacture the crimes since they're not happening fast enough to justify their endless budget increases.

reading the article you learn that a cop at a bar overheard the dude making a bet on sports with his friends, so cop befriends him, encourages him to bet more and more, then arrests him for it.

************************

here in canada the cops helped some poor, stupid dudes manufacture pressure cooker "bombs" and then arrested him for it.

i'm sure they sent in the swat team too, even as they knew the 'bombs' were useless.
 
2013-07-07 06:01:10 PM

Empty H: Dafatone: Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?

I'm pretty sure the article said that it was a different cop who hadn't slept in however many hours and shot the guy.

But yeah.  Ugh.

Ah, thank you. Apparently I haven't gotten enough sleep today.


Well don't shoot anybody, you won't get 2 weeks off with pay.
 
2013-07-07 06:01:51 PM

basemetal: In January 2011, the Culosi family accepted a $2 million settlement offer from Fairfax County. That same year, Virginia's government spent $20 million promoting the state lottery.

I wish they wouldn't settle these things.  I have a feeling a jury would show just how much the people are outraged.


Virgina has a cap on lawsuits and, your life is worth only 1.2 million after lawyers and court fees.
 
2013-07-07 06:01:53 PM

Babwa Wawa: Huck And Molly Ziegler: I recognize this won't be a popular viewpoint, but until cops are paid better -- which would allow cities the luxury of NOT having to employ every other malcontent bully who fills out an application form, but instead hire the better men and women out there who would be seeking that better salary -- then this trend will continue.

If you gotta have a warm body out there, some places will cut corners, and that includes hiring men and women who are only 60 percent ethical, rather than 99 percent ethical.

((The above also applies to teachers, in my opinion. If I won a 200 million dollar lottery, I'd fund a school system with $80,000-a-year elementary-school teachers just to see what happens.))

I come from a long line of civil servants - police and teachers, in fact.  The compensation for both can be quite good, or it can be quite bad.  Teachers in my town have media pay of about $70k.   Police are compensated better (but work more hours during the year, so it's probably about even).   Cops and teachers can retire after 20 years.

We have a good school system, but it's as much due to the fact that parents in the town care as it is quality of the teachers.  And we don't have a militarized police force, but that's because the upper and upper-middle class people who live here do not want to see douchebags in camoflage patrolling their streets.  That would be bad for property values.


Teacher and police compensation are both really good and really bad.  They get paid better than the average prole, but their job is super high-stress and has shiat hours.  I mean I know there is a lot of hate for the bad ones and the "blue wall" and all that but be honest, would YOU want to do it?  Would YOU work 12-14 hour days with weekly schedule shifts trying to teach screaming children who run from "nebbish and constantly victimized by other kids" to "parent(s) alternate between raping them and pimping them for drugs every week"?  What would YOU consider fair compensation for spending 80% of every day dealing with people like the parents I just mentioned?

I mean, tangentially-related, a military veteran comes home with PTSD and ends up beating the hell out of his girlfriend during some dispute, but BEFORE he enlisted he was always a low-grade jerkass; is he a veteran to be respected, a victim of circumstance (ptsd), or an asshole who deserves only scorn?

How about when the VA helps him with his legal defense?

Sorry, I'm feeling more philosophical than I probably should...
 
2013-07-07 06:38:50 PM

TheBigJerk: Teacher and police compensation are both really good and really bad.  They get paid better than the average prole, but their job is super high-stress and has shiat hours.


It's hard to make the argument that all teaching jobs have shiat hours and are super high stress.  Hell, it's hard to make the point that all police jobs are high stress.

The point I was trying to make (and I made it poorly) is this:  quality of school and law enforcement systems are the result of proper governmental oversight.  in my town, the schools and police get the vast majority of their funding from local revenue sources, and thus the qualities of the bureaucracies reflect the qualities the community wants them to have.

Locals here don't want the police to have a paramilitary function, so they don't get their swat team.  And they don't have to beg for funding from the feds - and so do not have a second master.

We do this with (gasp) taxes.  Taxes are relatively high around here, but the result is that incompetent federal law enforcement or education agencies have very little say in how we run our shiat.
 
2013-07-07 06:40:00 PM

Fiction Fan: Fiction Fan: All you idiots complaining about the police
But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?

Morons.

It's true.  We all definitely need someone to show up after the fact and do paperwork.

*nods*
You go ahead and take that attitude.
I'm sure it will come in handy when you are bleeding on the street.
Oh, can I have your X-box when you die from your wounds because you didn't want a law enforcement member there to help tend to your injuries, ensure that the area was safe, and to help catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?

You people make me sick.
Excuse me while I go masturbate to naked Futurama.


The cops are less than likely to "catch the MFer that did it to you in the first place to ensure he-she won't do it again?" since there is no money in it for them. 8% clearance rate for violent crimes, better than 4:1 odds against getting caught.  Or take NYC and Bloomberg's PRIVATE ARMY whose main job is profiling dark people and collecting revenue for the city. When the riots start after Zimmerman is found not guilty the cops are going to wonder why so few people are willing to back them up,
 
2013-07-07 06:40:24 PM

mark12A: My blood pressure was doing pretty good until I RTFA.

I'm currently building my hobby farm up in New Hampshire. Since I've spent most of my life living or working on military bases, the theme of my farm, Omega Station (so named because it's my very last posting) is going to be sort of a quasi-military base, with a;l the accents I recall from the many bases I've been on, like a flagpole, building border fences made of white painted chain and plumbing pipe, a nifty sign (Welcome to Omega Station - Commanding Officer, Mark12A), a nice red/white antenna tower for TV/CB/Sat internet and other similar touches. I've even gotten Omega Station patches made to wear on my coveralls.

Now I'm getting the idea I'll just get raided within six months of moving in and getting my old Shih Tzu's assassinated just for looking suspicious....


You're building a playground for your murderers. Suggest you have the address listed as a donor with the local police pension organization and every year you invite all of the county judges to a BBQ.

Otherwise construct a panic room and underground phone hardline with the local FBI branch on speeddial (if the cops raid, turn yourself in to federal authorities)
 
2013-07-07 07:16:53 PM
The CATO Institute sponsors an interactive US map to show the locations and details of Botched Paramilitary Police Raids.
 
2013-07-07 07:20:51 PM

d23: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]

"Why are you reading?"


I thought the line was "Whatchu readin' fer?"
 
2013-07-07 07:24:43 PM

ex-nuke: Wasn't it LA that has made it illegal to install a door that is reinforced to be Police Proof?


They're definitely illegal in Oakland.  No all-metal doors, no barred doors, no wooden doors over 2" thick.

Of course, Oakland still bans over-the-counter condom sales, and only legalized jeans for women this decade, so I'm not sure how consistently that's enforced.
 
2013-07-07 07:38:07 PM
People love authority.  Especially American people.

The quickest, surest way to become an outcast in the community is to question authority.

Read the works of Stanley Milgram.
 
2013-07-07 07:40:35 PM
I'm not reading another Balko groaner unless he has a solution. Dude, you've been doing this for the better part of a decade. shiat or get off the pot. Tell us what the answer is.
 
2013-07-07 07:40:42 PM

LeroyBourne: OgreMagi: LeroyBourne: PacificaFitz: It's pretty easy to see why the government is trying so hard to stop innocent poker games from happening.  Money is changing hands and they aren't getting their "rake"/taxes on it.

I know, when me and some of my friends get together for a poker game.  The buy in is *gasp* typically $20, sometimes.....rarely we'll go up to *dear lord* $50 buy in.  Just think of all the clerks the IRS will need to hire, not only are my poker get togethers saving the country with tax moneys, but also creating jobs.  When I'm not being shot at by swat teams of coarse.

That's about how our poker night went.  And the big winner of the night had to buy the snacks on the next poker night.

Do you have that 'one' guy, you know the one who biatches and moans when he loses and wants his money back, then you have to calmly explain the definition of gambling to him?  He's a nice guy, he just gets stupid everyonceinawhile.


When I was about 15, they adults at our fishing/hunting/beer and whiskey drinking camp let me play cars with them.  Bouree's was the game.  My grandma would have been proud as I cleaned them out.  Took every cent from them.

What I quickly realized that since I was now the one with all the cash, and by far the only sober one there, I had to drive a few of them into town to buy more beer and other assorted supplies with 'my' money.  But it was all good since I was able to sample some of winnings.  The chips and dip of course....

I fail to see the problem with 'friendly' gaming environments.  I know for sure I don't want to move to VA anytime soon.  Are the VA police forces just filled with failed FBI, DEA and other a three letter agency dropouts/wannabes?
 
2013-07-07 07:44:04 PM

Astorix: That's one of the reasons why I am glad to call Europe home.

I'm glad I call Canada home. I hear the "ssssssssssss" of the lit fuse.


Yeah, but both of you will likely never go broke, loose your house and retirement due to medical bills, so you can never truly know what freedom really tastes like.  I would feel sorry for you, but I can't because empathy is socialist.
 
2013-07-07 07:48:06 PM

lostinthebathroom: All cops are heroes, citizen.  The only people who question the police are (right-wing lunatics/Occupy anarchists).  Remember 9/11!

man, I really wish I could move somewhere the cops can only beat you with billy clubs and not shoot you, you know, one of the backwards commie pinko nanny-states like the United Kingdom or Norway.


I did move to Norway- the other day we had a double- homicide in progress called in by a 12 yr old.

Given that it is vacation season, cops had a 3.5 hr response time.

It turned into a double murder suicide.
 
2013-07-07 08:00:36 PM

Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?


Sounds more like: Cop overheard him, put down $50 on the game, lost then kept playing double or nothing till he got to the point he didn't want to pay him back, so he set him up and shot him before he could be identified.
 
2013-07-07 08:01:19 PM

Recoil Therapy: Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing -  The only way that this is going to change is from within.  The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems.  Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable).  The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done.  That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price.  You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing.  If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in.  You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasing

Again, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results.

/still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids


Booby traps?
 
2013-07-07 08:01:58 PM
I completely agree that there are over the top escalations by police and very heavy handed tactics, but what do you expect when your society seems to encourage everyone to be as heavily armed as possible?

Seems to me that the cops are just trying to stay ahead in an arms race...how are they supposed to know whether the poker game they're raiding has a few fat drunk middle aged men who are zero threat, or a few fat drunk middle aged men packing 45s and AR-15s with a shotgun or two behind the couch?
 
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