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2013-07-07 03:46:50 PM

Astorix: Empty H: Let me see if I understand this. Some off duty cop overheard some friends betting a few bucks on a sports game. This off duty cop takes it upon himself to spend the next few months working the guy to get him to bet more and more. The cop works him up to the legal amount that can be punishable, goes to arrest him, then shoots him and blames it on not having enough sleep.

Was there seriously nothing he could have spent those months doing that would have been more productive?

How on Earth was this not deemed entrapment? It boggles the mind.


Because cops protect other cops, would be my guess.  It was absolutely entrapment, if the undercover officer worked the suspect up to illegal levels of gambling.  And in a fair world, it would have been acknowledged as entrapment.

Unfortunately, as TFA demonstrates, we don't live in a fair world.  We live in a world where the police can abuse/harm/rob you without any consequences.  Your best bet is simply to avoid the law at all costs.
 
2013-07-07 03:47:49 PM
The largest, most well armed gang that is immortal, has infinite resources, and a legal monopoly on violence.
 
2013-07-07 03:50:07 PM

Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.


It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio
 
2013-07-07 03:50:55 PM
"I was building a house."
 
2013-07-07 03:54:22 PM
You know, instead of paying attention to the Kardashians, Teen Mom and all that other crap, this should be headline news that everybody is aware of.  Seriously, if a little small stakes gambling among friends and co-workers is now a federal offense comparable to terrorism, we are already in deep doo-doo.  Because, what's next?
 
2013-07-07 03:54:29 PM
I've said here before, in other contexts, that we live in a police state, and people scoff at it.  If we didn't live in a police state, then the public outrage over a story like this would be off the charts.*  In our modern new "if you're not doing anything wrong, what do you care" state, police feel free to blaze away so long as they can say, "We acted in good faith, we believed there was probably at least some reason to suspect a crime might be going on, and the guy didn't immediately fall to the ground and scream for mercy, so naturally we shot him."**

There's a direct line running from "9/11 Crying Eagle Never Forget!" through "Keep America Safe" through "Trust Us, We Have Your Best Interests at Heart" through "We Need to Spread These Billions in Secure the Sacred Fatherland Spending Around" to "Another Dangerous Football Bettor Has Been Delivered Final Justice."

People sure do get furious about redlight cameras though.  So we've still got that.


*Assuming the victims are white, that is.  Otherwise it's a crapshoot.  For which you can be gunned down.
**Not all cops, but the police state over time fosters this kind of "us against the world" mentality.
 
2013-07-07 03:56:45 PM
Wow, this thread is essentially two groups of people with differently shaped foil caps arguing over whether folding the foil on the edges or twisting it at the top is the best protection against gubmint moonbeams

/OBAMA!
/THE PIGS!
 
2013-07-07 03:58:27 PM
Shooter must have been a Republican.
 
2013-07-07 03:58:37 PM

Astorix: It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


Indeed.  I remember either reading or watching something (I can't remember) that posited the idea that this breakdown began when cops quit walking beats around towns and got into increasingly-well-armored vehicles.  The idea was, that when we made this shift, the cops quit interacting with everyday people, and as such, lost touch with their communities.  The cops became a community unto themselves, and that's led to an "us vs. them" mentality, except that the "them" are the people they're supposed to be protecting.  From there, it's a natural progression for cops to become increasingly well-armed and aggressive.

I don't know how valid that theory is---but it makes some degree of sense.  Certainly the "neighborhood cop" is a thing of the past.  And it can't be totally coincidental that neighborhood beat cops disappeared around the same time that police respect for civilians' rights did.
 
2013-07-07 03:58:40 PM
Do we really need to go back SEVEN farking years to find police state outrages to write about?

Yeah... 2006. Look it up.

/Salon.com can eat my farking ass.
 
2013-07-07 04:00:07 PM

SomethingToDo: Wow, this thread is essentially two groups of people with differently shaped foil caps arguing over whether folding the foil on the edges or twisting it at the top is the best protection against gubmint moonbeams

/OBAMA!
/THE PIGS!


i just don't think pointing bazookas at everything that moves is a great way to make the world a safer place
 
2013-07-07 04:00:21 PM

Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


In the world of Nemo's Bunghole and the rest of the teatards, facts are not really useful in a discussion.

You cannot reason them out of a position they didn't reason them selves into. Obama is a libby lib lib commie to them, and they hate him (amd you) EVEN MORE when you point out he's really a Republican.
 
2013-07-07 04:02:37 PM
farm5.staticflickr.com

The first frog to get out of the pot will become the next George Washington. The notion that we're even remotely as "free" as we like to believe is laughably dismissible.
 
2013-07-07 04:03:10 PM
♫♪ The gang and the government are no different. ♫♪
 
2013-07-07 04:04:43 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-07 04:05:45 PM
We know the cop's name.
He might as well flee the country, that backstabbing snitchpig.
 
2013-07-07 04:06:01 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Astorix: It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio

Indeed.  I remember either reading or watching something (I can't remember) that posited the idea that this breakdown began when cops quit walking beats around towns and got into increasingly-well-armored vehicles.  The idea was, that when we made this shift, the cops quit interacting with everyday people, and as such, lost touch with their communities.  The cops became a community unto themselves, and that's led to an "us vs. them" mentality, except that the "them" are the people they're supposed to be protecting.  From there, it's a natural progression for cops to become increasingly well-armed and aggressive.

I don't know how valid that theory is---but it makes some degree of sense.  Certainly the "neighborhood cop" is a thing of the past.  And it can't be totally coincidental that neighborhood beat cops disappeared around the same time that police respect for civilians' rights did.


I remember a few years back here in San Diego it was a revolutionary(!) idea to bring back more beat walking by local cops in gang-heavy neighborhoods.  As I recall, it worked to a certain extent.


Pray 4 Mojo: Do we really need to go back SEVEN farking years to find police state outrages to write about?

Yeah... 2006. Look it up.

/Salon.com can eat my farking ass.


They did mention the guy that got shot in the back by the BART transit cop in Oakland, and the Davis pepper-spray pig, so it's not all old stuff---I think the author was going for a piece detailing the history of SWATification of the police, even for innocuous bullshiat like barbershop licensing.  Can't do a historical piece without writing about things that happened further back than last week.
 
2013-07-07 04:10:03 PM

Bonzo_1116: They did mention the guy that got shot in the back by the BART transit cop in Oakland, and the Davis pepper-spray pig, so it's not all old stuff---I think the author was going for a piece detailing the history of SWATification of the police, even for innocuous bullshiat like barbershop licensing. Can't do a historical piece without writing about things that happened further back than last week.


Noted. And I agree.

Every salon.com piece I've struggled through was about a 100 paragraphs that can be summed up in 4. Their contributors might as well masturbate on a piece of paper and scan it.

In other words... TLDR.
 
2013-07-07 04:11:59 PM
Yet another "police abusing their position" story, wake me when the second American revolution begins?
 
2013-07-07 04:12:57 PM
Barfmaker [TotalFark]

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
The state never feels killing americans is a bad use of resources.
 
2013-07-07 04:16:16 PM
FTFA:  WE KICKED YOUR FATHER'S ASS IN 1968 . . . WAIT 'TIL YOU SEE WHAT WE DO TO YOU!

i560.photobucket.com

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again. I think I'll stick to that decision. Meanwhile, TFA makes me wonder whether the US is a third-world banana-republic with a first-world facade. I think you guys might be in some deep shiat, and it'll only get worse.

...But then again, it might not be as bad as it looks from the other side of the Atlantic

 

skozlaw: Stop electing people who are tough on crime. Start supporting politicians who are opposed to crimes of "vice". Start supporting heavy punitive damages against paramilitary forces that engage in this type of behavior.


Hm. Sounds like "hope and change."

/my local politicians are all of the "drill baby drill" mentality
//voting green this fall
///hope they mean it
 
2013-07-07 04:17:05 PM
Looks like we've got ourselves a reader...
 
2013-07-07 04:17:12 PM

Nemo's Brother: Smeggy Smurf: Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.

That's going to happen first.

/ask me about my pig proof front door design.  100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

I was inquiring about the pig-proof door design.  As a future homeowner, I am curious.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-07 04:17:16 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Every salon.com piece I've struggled through was about a 100 paragraphs that can be summed up in 4. Their contributors might as well masturbate on a piece of paper and scan it.

In other words... TLDR.


In fairness to this article, that was just copypasta from the author's book.  So it would be long-winded, since it's from a book.
 
2013-07-07 04:18:01 PM
Salon article in support of libtard position: "Salon is a stupid blog authored by stupid libtard hacks!"
Salon article in support of libertarian position: "See! See!!"

/What's the insult for libertarian? (Or is it just "libertarian?")
 
2013-07-07 04:18:37 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: This makes me so angry. I am going to start a blog about it.



Thank God you're taking care of it.  I thought I was going to have to post a lot here to rectify the whole situation.

In all honesty this makes me want to arm myself with cyanide pills.  When I was 18 cops raided a bunch of us in Lake Delton, Wi (Wisconsin Dells), dogs, guns drawn, I went to jail for a few hours until they couldn't bluff me into confessing for a bunch of shiat that I really didn't do.  A-holes.  On top of that It was really nice how they gave me the ride to the station, and then released me with no phone privilege and on foot.

Needless to say I hate authority, and my brother is a cop.   LOL.   I really do believe he is a good one though, and the small community he works in tends to agree from what I hear.
 
2013-07-07 04:19:48 PM

OnlyM3: Barfmaker [TotalFark]

It's amazing that, if for no other reason, jobs aren't somehow lost over an outrageously bad use of resources.
-.-.-.-.-.-.


The state never feels killing americans is a bad use of resources.

www.austinchronicle.com
Especially if the state is Texas!
 
2013-07-07 04:21:12 PM
To all you people clamoring for "revolution."

Tell me how going after the government with guns is going to make the government less armed.
 
2013-07-07 04:26:35 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I recognize this won't be a popular viewpoint, but until cops are paid better -- which would allow cities the luxury of NOT having to employ every other malcontent bully who fills out an application form, but instead hire the better men and women out there who would be seeking that better salary -- then this trend will continue.

If you gotta have a warm body out there, some places will cut corners, and that includes hiring men and women who are only 60 percent ethical, rather than 99 percent ethical.

((The above also applies to teachers, in my opinion. If I won a 200 million dollar lottery, I'd fund a school system with $80,000-a-year elementary-school teachers just to see what happens.))


I come from a long line of civil servants - police and teachers, in fact.  The compensation for both can be quite good, or it can be quite bad.  Teachers in my town have media pay of about $70k.   Police are compensated better (but work more hours during the year, so it's probably about even).   Cops and teachers can retire after 20 years.

We have a good school system, but it's as much due to the fact that parents in the town care as it is quality of the teachers.  And we don't have a militarized police force, but that's because the upper and upper-middle class people who live here do not want to see douchebags in camoflage patrolling their streets.  That would be bad for property values.
 
2013-07-07 04:27:38 PM
Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing -  The only way that this is going to change is from within.  The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems.  Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable).  The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done.  That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price.  You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing.  If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in.  You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasing

Again, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results.

/still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids
 
2013-07-07 04:29:24 PM
 
2013-07-07 04:30:19 PM

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: Fark It: Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: I'll bet a large percentage of cops are right-wing lunatics of one sort or another.

They're statists whose politics are irrelevant to the problem at hand, the dismissal of these tactics by partisan lemmings like you, something the author went to great pains to highlight if you had bothered reading the whole article.  Part of the problem is exactly what you're doing, ascribing a certain political ideology to these horrible abuses in order to insulate your own.

I did read the article and your objections to my comments are irrelevant.

Anyone who worships guns, order, compliance, power and authority is a right-wing lunatic in my book.  If they wear uniforms, even more so.


You DO realize you just described DHS acting under Obama's authority and control, don't you?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-07 04:30:42 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

"Why are you reading?"
 
2013-07-07 04:31:52 PM

Smeggy Smurf: humanshrapnel: Smeggy Smurf: /ask me about my pig proof front door design. 100% guaranteed to stop any no-knock raiding asshole in his tracks.

This is me asking....

You can't afford it.  It's only for rich home builders with eccentric tastes.  But it damned well will scoff at even a .50

/incorporated millibar and other exotic materials


Just make it a solid wood door, and a few nice long bolts (make sure they are screwed into the actual frame with long and strong screws).

www.thehardwarehut.com

Maybe line the inside of the door with a thick sheet of metal.

Of course, the most secure door in the world is useless if it's next to an open window, so you have to be sure to secure the other possible entries, too.
 
2013-07-07 04:33:40 PM
It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down.    What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.   There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this.
  We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions.  We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.
 
2013-07-07 04:34:41 PM
Weaver95:

For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.


I tend to agree as well. Currently in Vietnam, where you'd have to actually hit someone with your car to get a traffic citation, and even that could be avoided with a big enough bribe.

Basically, if you have the money to bribe the right people, you have unlimited freedom.

Unless of course you want to complain about the government.

In the US, I can complain about the government all day and night and it's not going to amount to much.

Of course, any tiny infraction of a traffic rule will get me pulled over, or automatically cited by camera.

I have to follow a ridiculous number of regulations, or even hire a lawyer, if I want to start a small business. Kids get their lemonade stands closed down by cops. In Vietnam I can just start selling whatever I want on the sidewalk, as long as I offer a small cut to any officials who come to inquire about it.

But more importantly, in Vietnam, people tend to not jump down each others' throats if they think the other person is getting an unfair advantage by breaking some social convention, while in the US, you get people riding your bumper and flipping you off if you make the mistake of driving driving the actual posted speed limit, instead of going 5-10 MPH over it.

Basically there's more of a feeling of freedom in some of the places that are technically not free. The only thing that seems better in the US is the reduced amount of government corruption, but we're not even completely free of that. And honestly, I think I could get by not starting a blog to complain about the government if I had to.
 
2013-07-07 04:35:41 PM

Tatterdemalian: HempHead: I watched Dick Cheney phone into Fox News to lend support to President Obama in the Snowden affair. It was like I got sucked into an episode of the Twilight Zone.

That's because you and reality have a long-distance relationship, and you haven't even texted it since weed went legal.

/Cheney would try to do the same Obama is doing
//but the non-Fox media hates him, and they're the real power in the USA, so they'd pitch a big enough fit to make him behave
///just like they did with Bush in Iraq, which is one of the reasons it didn't turn into the clusterfark Egypt turned into

if you



In what reality do CNN, MSNBC, and ESPN weld the "real power"?
 
2013-07-07 04:39:16 PM
Uncle Tractor:
wtfiswrongwiththosepeople.pjg

I decided some time ago never to set foot on US soil ever again. I think I'll stick to that decision. Meanwhile, TFA makes me wonder whether the US is a third-world banana-republic with a first-world facade. I think you guys might be in some deep shiat, and it'll only get worse.

...But then again, it might not be as bad as it looks from the other side of the Atlantic


No, it *is* as bad as it looks. It's just that you're far enough away and have enough rationality around for comparison that you can actually see it, while the vast majority of people here are too busy watching 'reality' TV or similarly sticking their heads in the sand to notice. And so you get all of the comfortably simmering frogs croaking about how everything's fine, and they're loud enough that they actually do manage to convince some outside observers that they're right.

I think outsiders actually usually have the best view of what's going wrong in a culture. They may miss or misinterpret some things due to not having a close view, but the ability to avoid all of the cultural blinders and comfortable assumptions more than makes up for it. It amuses me, in a frustrating sort of way, to watch americans pointing out all of the flaws they see in european countries (in many cases correctly, at least in my opinion) while being completely oblivious to the house burning down right behind them.

/sometimes I wonder if I should try to get out of here...
 
2013-07-07 04:41:09 PM

Fark It: raerae1980: nmemkha: Fiction Fan: It doesn't matter. Americans have no qualms about living in a police state so long as they can maintain the illusion they are "free".

Tragically, the illusion is wearing thin these days, but never underestimate an American's ability to be a self-delusional apologetic hypocrite.

[generatormeme.com image 600x450]

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Does anyone really think the militarization of America's police and the increase use of unwarranted naked aggression by same is going to abate by people be outraged on the internet?

So, what are you gonna do?    What can we do?

The police only care about themselves, and their pensions.  Their qualified immunity needs to be seriously cut back, their special relationship with prosecutors and judges needs to be overlooked, and the lawsuits against them should come straight out of their pensions and pocketbooks, not from taxpayers.

And if that doesn't work people should start shooting back.


Even the most heavily armed American, is severely out armed by the police. It would take a military vs police situation to put the police back in their place, and that's never going to happen, unless you're in Syria.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-07 04:42:19 PM

HempHead: In what reality do CNN, MSNBC, and ESPN weld the "real power"?


I think you must underestimate how "bread and circuses" television is manipulating the knowledge on the ground in the U.S.   There is no left or right bias, there is a pro-corporate bias in the U.S. media.  Certain items never get discussed.  Have you ever heard a fair discussion of corporate personhood in the commercial media?  How about even a discussion about Internet downloading where the downloaders aren't labeled "pirates" from the very start?

We don't have informative media is U.S.  That's a huge part of the problem.
 
2013-07-07 04:42:45 PM

d23: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 300x168]

"Why are Whatchu you reading for?"

 
2013-07-07 04:42:51 PM
FTA:  Perhaps the best insight into the mentality the police brought to the DNC protests could be found on the T-shirts the Denver police union had printed up for the event. The shirts showed a menacing cop holding a baton. The caption: DNC 2008: WE GET UP EARLY, TO BEAT THE CROWDS. Police were spotted wearing similar shirts at the 2012 NATO summit in Chicago. At the 1996 DNC convention in Chicago, cops were seen wearing shirts that read: WE KICKED YOUR FATHER'S ASS IN 1968 . . . WAIT 'TIL YOU SEE WHAT WE DO TO YOU!

Go ahead, defend that. Every time I see someone apologize for a cop's actions, claiming "well, it's his duty" or "it was the heat of the moment" or "it was an accident", understand that the above demonstrates none of those actions.

Just another gang, only with government sanction and funded by the very folks they're beating.
 
2013-07-07 04:44:12 PM
Road Rash:
You DO realize you just described DHS acting under Obama's authority and control, don't you?

The DHS was an astonishingly bad idea right from the start.  That particular Congress and the Bush Admin should feel deeply ashamed by bringing it to life, and Obama should bust out his sequester budget machete on it.  The DHS is using federal tax monies to buy shiat like this for the Cape Cod police department.

 http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120827/NE WS/ 208270313

I mean really, are the lesbians in Martha's Vineyard that unruly?

www.capecodonline.com
 
2013-07-07 04:44:26 PM

d23: HempHead: In what reality do CNN, MSNBC, and ESPN weld the "real power"?

I think you must underestimate how "bread and circuses" television is manipulating the knowledge on the ground in the U.S.   There is no left or right bias, there is a pro-corporate bias in the U.S. media.  Certain items never get discussed.  Have you ever heard a fair discussion of corporate personhood in the commercial media?  How about even a discussion about Internet downloading where the downloaders aren't labeled "pirates" from the very start?

We don't have informative media is U.S.  That's a huge part of the problem.


Yep. Thanks, Reagan!
 
2013-07-07 04:44:30 PM

lostcat: Weaver95:

For what little it's worth, I tend to agree....we are not as free a country as we like to believe.


I tend to agree as well. Currently in Vietnam, where you'd have to actually hit someone with your car to get a traffic citation, and even that could be avoided with a big enough bribe.

Basically, if you have the money to bribe the right people, you have unlimited freedom.

Unless of course you want to complain about the government.

In the US, I can complain about the government all day and night and it's not going to amount to much.

Of course, any tiny infraction of a traffic rule will get me pulled over, or automatically cited by camera.

I have to follow a ridiculous number of regulations, or even hire a lawyer, if I want to start a small business. Kids get their lemonade stands closed down by cops. In Vietnam I can just start selling whatever I want on the sidewalk, as long as I offer a small cut to any officials who come to inquire about it.

But more importantly, in Vietnam, people tend to not jump down each others' throats if they think the other person is getting an unfair advantage by breaking some social convention, while in the US, you get people riding your bumper and flipping you off if you make the mistake of driving driving the actual posted speed limit, instead of going 5-10 MPH over it.

Basically there's more of a feeling of freedom in some of the places that are technically not free. The only thing that seems better in the US is the reduced amount of government corruption, but we're not even completely free of that. And honestly, I think I could get by not starting a blog to complain about the government if I had to.


Interesting points.   What some call freedom is  what others call lawlessness. You can have too much freedom or too many laws.  I think the U. S. is in the "too many laws" phase now, and headed further in that direction.
 
2013-07-07 04:45:03 PM

Recoil Therapy: Now I'm certainly not advocating this (because that would be wrong) but I read an idea in a thread a while ago that stuck with me. Paraphrasing -  The only way that this is going to change is from within.  The only way that's going to happen is if it personally impacts/affects the individual officers that cause the problems.  Making taxpayers pay for their fark ups certainly does nothing to slow them down (if anything it makes them feel even more untouchable).  The simple solution I saw proposed would take a community's involvement (for intelligence gathering if nothing else) but it could be done.  That when a bad cop does something that clearly crosses the line (shooting a chained up dog, planting drugs on a traffic stop, leading SWAT raids to wrong houses, etc), their kids pay the price.  You get a gangbanger, thug, future cop, whatever & give him $50 to beat the shiat out of the cop's kid & make sure that the kid understands that he got his butt kicked because his dad is doing things that he shouldn't be doing.  If every time he does something seriously or morally wrong his kid gets beat up, eventually the message would sink in.  You consider it an 'us vs them' society, fine we'll give you exactly that. /paraphrasing

Again, not advocating it but it is quite elegant in it's simplicity & potential for results.

/still will have to figure out something to do with the 22yr old 'roid freak with no kids


yeah how about NO, that's farking sick
 
2013-07-07 04:45:13 PM

Astorix: Nemo's Brother: While we were watching American Idol and doing the Harlem Shake, a police state was instituted.  You can blame Bush or Obama (both are part of it), but that is stupid distractions designed by the statists go keep us under control.

It was happening loooong before Bush and Obama

/4 dead in Ohio


Oh, goes way back before that.

One
Two
Three

There are many more examples
 
2013-07-07 04:46:26 PM
All you idiots complaining about the police

But who will you want there if you are robbed, shot, mugged, in a car accident?


Morons.
 
2013-07-07 04:48:18 PM

Tatterdemalian: Nobody is going to care enough to take effective action until we elect a Republican president. The closest we'll get to taking action will be telling people they are risking their lives making casual bets among friends and co-workers. Any further investigation will be branded conspiracy theory, and probably racist too.

/so vote Republican
//your freedom actually does depend on it


Right. I felt so free under Shrub that I left the country.
 
2013-07-07 04:48:33 PM

rev. dave: It took me a while to read all the way through the article, I had to stop a couple times to calm down.    What bothers me the most is that as someone who spends all his spare time just trying to get the bills paid, my feeling of helplessness is overwhelming.   There is nothing I can do or say which will stop this.
  We are like antelopes being preyed upon by lions.  We can only keep running and trying to eat and live and still take little comfort that the other guy was eaten today and not me.


completely understood, and if some of us feel this way now, what about our children, what will it be like for them to face it?
 
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