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(Boulder Daily Camera)   Man training to be an Ironman says a motorist suffering from road rage nearly made him a 6-million dollar man   (dailycamera.com) divider line 228
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2013-07-07 10:40:17 AM  
Really Twowheeling Tim?  You're going to dump on the guy with the CDL who's driven responsibly for 9 years to earn a living delivering products that you have in your house, all the while taking care to keep inconsiderate cyclists alive?
 
2013-07-07 10:41:35 AM  
I was upset when I read the headline as I thought it was someone jogging. When I read the article and realized it was a bicyclists, a smile slowly crept across my face!
 
2013-07-07 10:42:06 AM  
I constantly listen and look back for approaching cars, especially near intersections. If I am going straight and car is going to turn right I will slow down and let the car pass, even stop before the intersection. My goal is to do my route and make it home, I don't care how long it takes. I usually slow and move over to let cars pass and will give a friendly wave as drivers slow a bit or move over some as they pass.

Drivers have to use indicators though, the sooner the better, otherwise it looks like you are going to go straight.
 
2013-07-07 10:42:07 AM  
I lived in boulder for seven years most of which was up a mountain pass that cyclist really liked to ride. Most were fine, but like drivers, some were idiots. I nearly hit at least 20 cyclists, and the occasional skate boarder, when they flew around blind corners in the on coming traffic lane. The most annoying cyclists are the ones who ride in large groups and then get mad when you pass them. Or the ones who are not in good enough shape to ride the mountain they are exhausted, not paying attention, and are weaving back and forth with every pedal push.

The laws in boulder are wired when it comes to cyclist and cars. Bikes are supposed to ride as far to the right as they can, cars are to give three feet when passing, this makes it technically illegal to pass a bike on double yellow one lane roads. Bikes are also considered vehicles and have to abide by all traffic laws, and dismount on sidewalks. This means impeding the flow of traffic is a ticketable offence, but I've never seen a ticket given to a cyclist for this.

If both cyclists and cars abide by the general rules of the road and are courteous to each other things would be fine. Instead cyclist kick and whip chains at cars, and drivers run cyclist off the road. It's a fight the cyclist won't win. I would rather be alive then right.. The saying I lived by in boulder as a cyclist and pedestrian. I had friend get hit two times while riding a bike in boulder, both times he thought he was in the right but it ended up being his fault. He is a big guy and broke his collarbone and totaled a metro in one of the wreaks.
 
2013-07-07 10:42:16 AM  

Zeno-25: Cyclists... the scourge of anyone trying to get anywhere on time using the roads. This guy's luck probably caught up with him after blocking the road for many, many other people and enjoying it.


You mean the scourge of those who only give themselves a marginal amount of time to get where they want to be rather than ample time?

I always give myself an hour to ride my bike to work though it only takes thirty five minutes or so. I'm never late, even when I get a flat tire.

Maybe you should get your slovenly ass out of the car more often.
 
2013-07-07 10:44:56 AM  
I read the whole article and what a gem! No contact between the cyclist and the car, meaning the vehicle isn't at fault and no tickets will be issued.

Learn how to use your damn brakes correctly! How hilarious, flipping yourself over the bars because you braked too hard! I love it
 
2013-07-07 10:46:15 AM  
"Yeah I think he had some road rage," Cunningham said. "I don't know if he got angry cause it was a large group or what."

I'm guessing the other side of the story starts there.
 
2013-07-07 10:49:01 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Maybe some 40 year olds are faster than some *OTHER* 20 year olds, but barring disease, there is NO WAY that the same person is better at 40 than 20.


Define better.

The 20 yr old is going to be bale to recover, and gain muscle faster.

If they regularly exercised from their 20's on there is a good chance they will be stronger and or faster (depending on their exercise).

I do a lot of local 10k's and would routinely win or place when I was in my 20's.  I got faster in my 30's but no longer placed as everyone who did them got faster.  Generally the 40's are the fastest group.
 
2013-07-07 10:51:37 AM  

WRXminion: I lived in boulder for seven years most of which was up a mountain pass that cyclist really liked to ride. Most were fine, but like drivers, some were idiots. I nearly hit at least 20 cyclists, and the occasional skate boarder, when they flew around blind corners in the on coming traffic lane. The most annoying cyclists are the ones who ride in large groups and then get mad when you pass them. Or the ones who are not in good enough shape to ride the mountain they are exhausted, not paying attention, and are weaving back and forth with every pedal push.

The laws in boulder are wired when it comes to cyclist and cars. Bikes are supposed to ride as far to the right as they can, cars are to give three feet when passing, this makes it technically illegal to pass a bike on double yellow one lane roads. Bikes are also considered vehicles and have to abide by all traffic laws, and dismount on sidewalks. This means impeding the flow of traffic is a ticketable offence, but I've never seen a ticket given to a cyclist for this.

If both cyclists and cars abide by the general rules of the road and are courteous to each other things would be fine. Instead cyclist kick and whip chains at cars, and drivers run cyclist off the road. It's a fight the cyclist won't win. I would rather be alive then right.. The saying I lived by in boulder as a cyclist and pedestrian. I had friend get hit two times while riding a bike in boulder, both times he thought he was in the right but it ended up being his fault. He is a big guy and broke his collarbone and totaled a metro in one of the wreaks.


CRS 42-4-1005(d) allows  passing a bicyclist moving the same direction and in the same lane when such movement can be made in safety and without interfering with, impeding, or endangering other traffic lawfully using the highway.
 
2013-07-07 10:52:50 AM  

shaddix: I read the whole article and what a gem! No contact between the cyclist and the car, meaning the vehicle isn't at fault and no tickets will be issued.

Learn how to use your damn brakes correctly! How hilarious, flipping yourself over the bars because you braked too hard! I love it


So if one motorist runs the other off the road, but there is no contact between the cars, it's all cool then?

Sounds like the cyclist is mostly at fault in the article. If the motorist passing them was acting at all antagonistic, it's time to slow down and avoid that car like the plague. Just because someone may have the right of the road doesnt mean they have the right to be oblivious to changing conditions of the road. As others have stated in thread, in the battle car vs bicycle, the bicycle will always lose.
 
2013-07-07 10:56:36 AM  
mark12A:One thing that continues to amaze me is all the Hipsters on old school Scwhinn type bikes that ride in traffic listening to Ipods. THAT is suicidal. You need to hear the enemy approaching....

I figure every asshole out there running or riding with ear buds in is completely insane.  They're afraid to be alone with their own thoughts so they drown them out.
 
2013-07-07 10:56:46 AM  

Zeno-25: Cyclists... the scourge of anyone trying to get anywhere on time using the roads. This guy's luck probably caught up with him after blocking the road for many, many other people and enjoying it.


Leave more time. If you can't get to where you need to be without a guarantee of being able to go the speed limit or higher all the time, then fark you. It's nice to be able to justify grievous bodily harm by inventing a vendetta in the cyclist's head.

wichitaleaf: If you cannot keep up with the pace of traffic you do not belong on the road.

Just like a slow car, they cause massive problems in traffic also.


No. They don't. It's only a problem to those drivers that can't stand being delayed a few seconds. The impatience of the average driver is immense. Add bike hate to the equation and they just can't stand the idea of having to slow down for anyone or anything.

Anyone who mentions what a cyclist is wearing is a complete asshat.
 
2013-07-07 10:57:34 AM  

blacksho89: Oh. Montreal. Never mind with facts, then, continue with your ignorant snobbery.


That's an interesting argument. Care to expound?

I'd like to know what's ignorant, and what's snobbery.

Obviously the educational system here is lacking.

liam76: Define better.

The 20 yr old is going to be bale to recover, and gain muscle faster.


I'd say that's "better". The 20s will also be lighter, learn faster, have less AGE molecules in their body.

Less wrinkles, more hair.

Better hearing, eyesight.

Is it really that hard to believe that being younger is better?
 
2013-07-07 10:59:45 AM  
As a runner, cyclist and driver, I can't stand people like you. It's good to be wary of cars and defer to them whenever possible, but dont break the law and be a dick to everyone else.

13 years. Oh, and by the way, 13 YEARS. 13 years I've been doing this, and if I was a dick I would have gotten my ass kicked loooong time ago by the good, but rough hewn, citizens of Philly. If what I was doing was dangerous, I would have been tagged years ago.

Is simples: Stay away from pedestrians when they're on sidewalks. And riding against traffic takes up NOT ONE SINGLE SQUARE INCH more space than riding with traffic. As for the oncoming motorists having less reaction time, that's OK, because now I HAVE REACTION TIME, unlike when I'm not facing traffic. So now I'm not completely vulnerable to an endless stream of total strangers coming up behind me.
 
2013-07-07 11:04:09 AM  

squegeebooo: phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?

The car should move over into the bike lane and treat it like a right turn lane.


I encounter this every day on the way to work, enough so that I actually took the time to look up the laws.  This is correct.
 
2013-07-07 11:05:13 AM  

SoupJohnB: As some Farker put it in an unrelated thread, you can't drink poison and expect the other person to die.


Unfortunately, that seems to be exactly what the Millenial generation expects, and even demands. Otherwise It's Not Fair and We Must Have Justice For (insert name of latest an hero).
 
2013-07-07 11:10:05 AM  
Why hasn't he been cited for reckless driving yet?
 
2013-07-07 11:10:07 AM  

mark12A: As a runner, cyclist and driver, I can't stand people like you. It's good to be wary of cars and defer to them whenever possible, but dont break the law and be a dick to everyone else.

13 years. Oh, and by the way, 13 YEARS. 13 years I've been doing this, and if I was a dick I would have gotten my ass kicked loooong time ago by the good, but rough hewn, citizens of Philly. If what I was doing was dangerous, I would have been tagged years ago.

Is simples: Stay away from pedestrians when they're on sidewalks. And riding against traffic takes up NOT ONE SINGLE SQUARE INCH more space than riding with traffic. As for the oncoming motorists having less reaction time, that's OK, because now I HAVE REACTION TIME, unlike when I'm not facing traffic. So now I'm not completely vulnerable to an endless stream of total strangers coming up behind me.


Since the bike is a vehicle, you are violating the law by driving against the flow of traffic and you put cyclists who do follow the law in an awkward and dangerous position when you pass them. If Philly is really that violent I'm sure more than one rider has wanted to knock you off your bike, but that would probably risk them getting injured too.

As for riding in the sidewalk, it is illegal in your city, but I'm sure people dont care if dont actually share it with pedestrians. It's still stupid. If a person stays deep in the bike lane and is a cautious rider, it's safer to follow traffic laws because it makes your behavior predictable.
 
2013-07-07 11:12:38 AM  

Yogimus: How does one "Suffer" from road rage? It isn't cancer.  It is a voluntary state of being.


This. Suffer implies no fault. Should be douchnozzle with road rage
 
2013-07-07 11:12:54 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: I'd say that's "better". The 20s will also be lighter, learn faster, have less AGE molecules in their body.


farking age molecules!


Quantum Apostrophe: Is it really that hard to believe that being younger is better


If that is your definition of better, no.

But in a thread about a guy doing an iron-man tri, discussing biking, etc speed would be a sensible measuring stick.
 
2013-07-07 11:17:50 AM  

liam76: farking age molecules!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_glycation_end-product

Tell me about it. The human body basically cooks itself sous vide for decades.

liam76: But in a thread about a guy doing an iron-man tri, discussing biking, etc speed would be a sensible measuring stick.


Then why is the guy in TFA bemoaning that at 40 it's pretty much over for him?

Maybe you should email him.
 
2013-07-07 11:19:35 AM  
Do dirtbag biker was:
Following to close.
Traveling too fast for conditions.

Ticket that SOB.
 
2013-07-07 11:20:07 AM  

kokomo61: There are asses on both sides of the rider / car equation, but in every case, the cyclist will lose. Yeah, we have a right to ride on the roads. No, cars don't have the right to put cyclists in danger. Still, the odds are stacked in favor of the driver. I try to minimize my time on the road to ones with wide shoulders just for safety.

(Not So ) CSB....

I was bike commuting to work on a paved bike trail that has several street level crossings. Stopped at one, and traffic on the right stopped. I held up my hand to acknowledge the driver, and waited for the left traffic to stop. Since it was a 2-lane street, and both sides were stopped, I clipped in and rolled forward. No sooner did I clear the car on the right, than a guy from three cars back came flying around the cars, passing on the right, and flipped me up on the hood like Mannix. I went up the hood, smacked my ribs on the A pillar of the car, and slid back down to the pavement still clipped into the pedals.

The guy at first said, "I didn't see him." Well, yeah - when you pass a line of stopped cars on the right at a highly marked crosswalk, you're not likely to see someone actually IN the crosswalk.

He initially pled 'not guilty' to the citation, probably hoping that the officer wouldn't show. They did, as did I. At first, he said he was trying to park the car (at 25MPH). He then said he was looking of a museum (in Vienna, Va....where there are no museums within 10 miles). THEN, he said that I ran out in front of him, using the 'spandex' defense (that all cyclists are dangerous)....When it was my turn, I just handed the judge a printout of my GPS/HR monitor data.....which showed my exact location, slowing my speed, heart rate and pedal cadence approaching the intersection...then being stopped for 45 seconds before moving forward at 5 MPH......then suddenly moving sideways at 20MPH.

Guilty as charged. Took three years to settle out for my bike, doctor visits and X-rays/MRI's and PT (thanks to bruised ribs, a hip injury and a cracked vertebrae). Not fun at all.


What do you use for GPS that gives such accurate results?
 
2013-07-07 11:21:05 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Then why is the guy in TFA bemoaning that at 40 it's pretty much over for him?


Because he is a whiny douche?
 
2013-07-07 11:21:18 AM  

phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?


Problem is the speeds. If the car and bike are both stopped, then I would yeild to the bike as a car driver.
But if the bike is overtaking in the bike lane, I think the bike should yield. it may not be the law, but it's the smart thing - Bikes are hard enough to see, and if you are overtaking in his blind spot, you're asking for trouble assuming he's going to spot you.

If the car is overtaking, he's being a jerk. Slow up for your turn anyway, and stay behind the bike.
 
2013-07-07 11:23:32 AM  

Shang-High: I just "buzzed" a bicyclist riding half of the way into the road, when there was a good 6 feet to his right for biking (and bike lane markings).  Sorry, I'm not going to cross the double yellow lines into oncoming traffic, "share the road" works both ways.


That makes you both assholes. Congratulations.
 
2013-07-07 11:25:01 AM  

liam76: Quantum Apostrophe: Then why is the guy in TFA bemoaning that at 40 it's pretty much over for him?

Because he is a whiny douche?


Oh I see. Just discard contrary opinions. Just remember to let fresh air into your bubble regularly.

If 76 refers to your birth year, you have some rude awakening ahead, in just a few years... It's downhill from here, and very rapidly at that.

Maybe if we can figure out how to clear out AGE molecules, aging wouldn't be such a problem.
 
2013-07-07 11:52:47 AM  

ggecko: [www.allfunnies.com image 400x400]


It should be illegal to make certain types of clothing in certain sizes.
 
2013-07-07 11:55:14 AM  
I've had motorists do the exact same thing to me (pull into the bike lane and then slam on the brakes). Fortunately I've always managed to stop in time. Since I'm in Fark's favorite state of Florida I generally expect this sort of behavior.

/always stays as far to the right as possible and stops at traffic lights
/rides alone or in a small group that rides single-file
/loves cars and bikes
 
2013-07-07 12:04:27 PM  

Shang-High: I just "buzzed" a bicyclist riding half of the way into the road, when there was a good 6 feet to his right for biking (and bike lane markings).  Sorry, I'm not going to cross the double yellow lines into oncoming traffic, "share the road" works both ways.


If a cyclist pushes all the way into the middle of the road, there's probably a good reason for it. There might be gravel or debris on the side, the road might be torn up over there, or there might be parked cars that create a 'door zone' you have to avoid. Cyclists typically don't ride in the middle of the road if they don't need to.

In my experience, 2/3 of bike lanes are unusable as places to ride due to being too narrow, too close to parked cars, too full of gravel and trash, too slanted, too uneven, or too torn up. They make you harder to see as well. I kind of wish they wouldn't make them; just make the road a bit wider with a good shoulder and have cyclists ride in the lane. It's actually safer to ride in the lane because drivers are more likely to see you there.
 
2013-07-07 12:04:56 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: liam76: farking age molecules!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_glycation_end-product

Tell me about it. The human body basically cooks itself sous vide for decades.

liam76: But in a thread about a guy doing an iron-man tri, discussing biking, etc speed would be a sensible measuring stick.

Then why is the guy in TFA bemoaning that at 40 it's pretty much over for him?

Maybe you should email him.


He competes in the Pro class. After he hits forty it is just about over for him: even at 39 he is at a huge disadvantage. He'll still be able to compete, and likely win, the master's age group but the purses aren't as big so he'll need a day job probably working as a coach or open his own Tri shop in the area.
 
2013-07-07 12:06:58 PM  

johnny queso: Shang-High: I just "buzzed" a bicyclist riding half of the way into the road, when there was a good 6 feet to his right for biking (and bike lane markings).  Sorry, I'm not going to cross the double yellow lines into oncoming traffic, "share the road" works both ways.

That makes you both assholes. Congratulations.


In Boise the driver could be charged with a misdomeaner
 
2013-07-07 12:07:48 PM  

foo monkey: What do you use for GPS that gives such accurate results?


Garmin Edge 305 - since upgraded to an Edge 500. Sample data image below:

bombaydigital.com

Like other GPS's, it's only accurate to within a few feet....but it DOES show speed, altitude, cadence, heart rate (and does averages, max, etc.) It showed my entire route up to that point, including all intersections, and how much time I stopped, etc. owed my location at that intersection, stopped for nearly a full minute, as well as the approach, where I coasted, stopped pedaling, slowed and stopped, with my HR falling the whole time.  You can get a watch-based GPS for a little over $100. A bike mounted one for 2X that or so. The only other thing I wish I had on a bike commute would be a GoPro Hero.
 
2013-07-07 12:10:01 PM  
look what i can do

www.3d-printers.com.au
 
2013-07-07 12:14:22 PM  

OnlyM3: Do dirtbag biker was:
Following to close.
Traveling too fast for conditions.

Ticket that SOB.




So, when you're driving, and some road raging fellow motorist cuts you off and brake checks you, it's still your fault if you rear end him? Even though he was intentionally trying to cause an accident?
 
2013-07-07 12:26:01 PM  

Publikwerks: phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?

Problem is the speeds. If the car and bike are both stopped, then I would yeild to the bike as a car driver.
But if the bike is overtaking in the bike lane, I think the bike should yield. it may not be the law, but it's the smart thing - Bikes are hard enough to see, and if you are overtaking in his blind spot, you're asking for trouble assuming he's going to spot you.

If the car is overtaking, he's being a jerk. Slow up for your turn anyway, and stay behind the bike.


If you're catching up to traffic stopped at a light when you're on a bicycle, and you see a car with a right turn signal on, the only sensible thing to do is to yield (stop behind them). And if they don't have a signal on, but are edging to the right, just assume they are a slob who doesn't use their signals, and still yield. And if you're cruising along at twenty plus MPH on your bicycle, catching up to a long line of cars stopped at a light, slow down. Sometimes there will be a car that does not have their signal on, has not edged over to the right, and has had an opportunity to do a legal right turn on a red for sometime (no cross traffic) who will instantly make a right turn when the light changes. I had that happen to me once - I think the guy in the truck saw me coming in his side view mirror, and decided he would try to make me crash. But I was able to turn inside of him.
 
2013-07-07 12:31:07 PM  
I give cyclists wide berth when able, and slow to pass when I can't.  There's a few jerks out there pedaling, but by and large they're a decent group.  Besides, I appreciate that they're not burning fossil fuel and getting a little exercise as I drive by.

/fat.
 
2013-07-07 12:34:28 PM  

zinny: I give cyclists wide berth when able, and slow to pass when I can't.  There's a few jerks out there pedaling, but by and large they're a decent group.  Besides, I appreciate that they're not burning fossil fuel and getting a little exercise as I drive by.

/fat.


Um, are you new to the internet?  You post exudes absolutely no toughness, and doesn't nothing to infuriate anyone.  You're supposed to brag about how you just harassed a cyclist.  Wait someone just did that--how you just killed a cyclist.  And you don't care, man, cause he looked like an illegal anyways.

That's FARKing.

/Also, very reasonable post
//I drive the same way around cyclists
///Had to stop cycling here because of the real life psychopaths on the road
 
2013-07-07 12:35:40 PM  
On July 2008, Thompson was driving a sedan in Brentwood when he came across two bicyclists. Thompson pulled out in front of the two bicyclists, and slammed the brakes, causing the two bicyclists to hit the back of the car. One of the bicyclists Ron Peterson, crashed through the back of the Infiniti. Peterson's nose was broken, and he suffered several other injuries. The other bicyclist fell to the pavement, and was also injured. Thompson went on trial in a case that was watched around the country. He was found guilty, and last week sentenced to 5 years in prison.

The sentence came after much support from bicyclists around the country. The court received more than 270 messages calling for a tough sentence on the doctor. The two bicyclists had also pleaded on bicycle forums calling on bicyclists to write in to show their support for bicyclists in Los Angeles, who are now involved in increasing confrontations with motorists. Letters of support have poured in from as far as the UK and China.

The judge said that he did not consider the messages of support that called for a stronger sentence, while delivering his decision. But he expressed his belief that Thompson has showed no remorse in his behavior after the accident. During the trial, Thompson had said that he and other residents in Brentwood were angry with bicyclists, because they frequently broke traffic rules. Why he choose to take that anger and misplaced frustration on two innocent bicyclists who were following traffic rules and riding safely, is not clear.


Los Angeles Doctor in Road Rage Bicycle Accident Sentenced to 5 years in Prison
 
2013-07-07 12:37:13 PM  

zinny: I give cyclists wide berth when able, and slow to pass when I can't.  There's a few jerks out there pedaling, but by and large they're a decent group.  Besides, I appreciate that they're not burning fossil fuel and getting a little exercise as I drive by.

/fat.


This is an outrage, you can't possibly come into a bike thread with that attitude. There are standards to uphold.
 
2013-07-07 12:37:49 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: liam76: Quantum Apostrophe: Then why is the guy in TFA bemoaning that at 40 it's pretty much over for him?

Because he is a whiny douche?

Oh I see. Just discard contrary opinions. Just remember to let fresh air into your bubble regularly.

If 76 refers to your birth year, you have some rude awakening ahead, in just a few years... It's downhill from here, and very rapidly at that.

Maybe if we can figure out how to clear out AGE molecules, aging wouldn't be such a problem.


As someone you'd consider old I'm cracking up reading your posts about being old sucking.  It does. I hope you live a long life ;)

Something you might not be aware of is that age has advantages in the more difficult endurance sports due to increased pain management.  You become mentally tougher and are able to make your body do things you couldn't when it was younger and stronger.

In cycling it is well known to fear the old men.  They are retired so can train all day and they have mastered pain control. I've seen guys in their 70s post times equal to the fastest 20-30s guys but only at time trial distances.
 
2013-07-07 12:39:11 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe:

mbillips: You see idiots drafting on each other at 30+ mph, dodging around little kids on tricycles and old couples out for a walk.

Out for a *walk* on a designated bike path?


What part of "multi-use path" do you not understand? It's not a bike path, it's a walking/cycling/running/skating trail, and labeled as such.
 
2013-07-07 12:45:45 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: /When I ride my bike I stop at all the stop signs and lights and stay to the far right.


Lane position is something that comes up a lot when I'm teaching a Basic Rider's Course (for motorcycles). One concern I have with a far-right lane position is this: You get the moron that wants to pass you and either:

1. Doesn't get over far enough and clips you, or
2. Sees and oncoming car and figures he can squeeze by you without getting over and clips you.

I usually ride in the left or middle of the lane: that way if someone wants to pass: it discourages the second type, and gives you space to get over for the first type.
 
2013-07-07 12:48:16 PM  

phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?


I believe the law of physics trumps traffic law in this situation
 
2013-07-07 12:49:29 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: mark12A:One thing that continues to amaze me is all the Hipsters on old school Scwhinn type bikes that ride in traffic listening to Ipods. THAT is suicidal. You need to hear the enemy approaching....

I figure every asshole out there running or riding with ear buds in is completely insane.  They're afraid to be alone with their own thoughts so they drown them out.


I had a cop stop me in Osaka once for listening to headphones on a bicycle.

Different culture there. Bikes rule the road and sidewalk too, due to sheer numbers.
 
2013-07-07 12:54:28 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: liam76: Quantum Apostrophe: Then why is the guy in TFA bemoaning that at 40 it's pretty much over for him?

Because he is a whiny douche?

Oh I see. Just discard contrary opinions.


Try taking your own advice.  Or maybe show up to some non pro endurance races.

Quantum Apostrophe: If 76 refers to your birth year, you have some rude awakening ahead, in just a few years... It's downhill from here, and very rapidly at that


It is in the ballpark.

It has been downhill for a number of things since 30.  But I am still putting up faster times in races (if I actively train) than I used to.
 
2013-07-07 12:54:28 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: But can we all agree that electric scooters don't belong on the bike path?

There's a reason I avoid bike paths in downtown Montreal.


No we can't agree....Let the scooters ride 4 or 5 abreast at 5mph and see how many of the bikers get a taste of road rage
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-07 01:00:19 PM  
So if one motorist runs the other off the road, but there is no contact between the cars, it's all cool then?

Without witnesses, yes. Nothing you can do. If there are witnesses or the driver confesses, depends on the situation. My ex-girlfriend ran a car off the road by making an unsafe lane change. She stopped to help and got a ticket. If she kept going she might have gotten away clean.

In my area a bicyclist got crushed under a rear wheel of a truck. Driver kept going. Grand jury refused to indict. It was likely the driver never knew he hit anything. The bicycle was to the right of the truck.
 
2013-07-07 01:11:41 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Mostly unrelated story - but early last year I was training for a 10k run.  I was out for a run, down a road I hadn't been on before - it was really crowded though (busy city here) and I couldn't run on the sidewalk.  But there was a bicycle lane that was being *very lightly* used.

So, I decided to run in the bicycle lane.

Cyclists are constantly riding with cars.  Cyclists are smaller and slower, and they constantly complain about how a**hole drivers don't give them space or treat them like they belong.  Seeing that I was slower than them, and without a bicycle, I expected that they would be understanding.  That they would give me plenty of space, and wait until it was safe to pass me.  Sure, I can't run as fast as a cyclist, but a cyclist can't cycle as fast as car.  If they expect cars to slow down and go their speed until they can safely pass - certainly, they wouldn't begrudge doing the same to me.  Right?

Apparently, I was wrong.  Yay for double standards!


From a traffic law standpoint, yes, you were wrong.


Fallout Zone: squegeebooo: phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?

The car should move over into the bike lane and treat it like a right turn lane.

I encounter this every day on the way to work, enough so that I actually took the time to look up the laws.  This is correct.


Yes it is, but from the description it sounds like the road markings at this particular intersection are wrong. I cant speak for everywhere, but around here at least there arent any bike lanes on roads that dont also have parking lanes. Approaching intersections, the bike lane becomes dotted and cars are supposed to move over the bike lane into the parking lane which has become a turn lane at the end of the block to make a right hand turn.
 
2013-07-07 01:39:53 PM  

Repo Man: Publikwerks: phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?

Problem is the speeds. If the car and bike are both stopped, then I would yeild to the bike as a car driver.
But if the bike is overtaking in the bike lane, I think the bike should yield. it may not be the law, but it's the smart thing - Bikes are hard enough to see, and if you are overtaking in his blind spot, you're asking for trouble assuming he's going to spot you.

If the car is overtaking, he's being a jerk. Slow up for your turn anyway, and stay behind the bike.

If you're catching up to traffic stopped at a light when you're on a bicycle, and you see a car with a right turn signal on, the only sensible thing to do is to yield (stop behind them). And if they don't have a signal on, but are edging to the right, just assume they are a slob who doesn't use their signals, and still yield. And if you're cruising along at twenty plus MPH on your bicycle, catching up to a long line of cars stopped at a light, slow down. Sometimes there will be a car that does not have their signal on, has not edged over to the right, and has had an opportunity to do a legal right turn on a red for sometime (no cross traffic) who will instantly make a right turn when the light changes. I had that happen to me once - I think the guy in the truck saw me coming in his side view mirror, and decided he would try to make me crash. But I was able to turn inside of him.


The car should blend into the bike lane for a right hand turn.  If the car isn't in the bike lane, it's on them for turning across a lane of traffic and causing an accident.  Just like a cyclist making a left turn needs to merge over into the left turn lane for left turns, instead of just turning from a bike lane.

That said, if you think someone is turning right, and they're not in the bike lane, you might want to consider yielding.  Being technically correct, while the best correct, isn't worth risking a hospital visit.
 
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