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(Boulder Daily Camera)   Man training to be an Ironman says a motorist suffering from road rage nearly made him a 6-million dollar man   (dailycamera.com) divider line 228
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2013-07-07 09:43:10 AM

Zeno-25: Cyclists... the scourge of anyone trying to get anywhere on time using the roads. This guy's luck probably caught up with him after blocking the road for many, many other people and enjoying it.


Every time I see someone like you cresting a hill or coming around a blind corner straddling the center line in their truck I think of these bike threads.  Oh sure in these threads you are all ragging on cyclists because you don't look good in spandex and get winded carrying the big bag of tater tots out of the freezer but once you get behind the wheel of your truck its time to drive down the middle of the road like an encephalitic cataract sufferer on Ambien.

Happy Baseless Assumption Day to you too!!
 
2013-07-07 09:46:39 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Mostly unrelated story - but early last year I was training for a 10k run.  I was out for a run, down a road I hadn't been on before - it was really crowded though (busy city here) and I couldn't run on the sidewalk.  But there was a bicycle lane that was being *very lightly* used.

So, I decided to run in the bicycle lane.

Cyclists are constantly riding with cars.  Cyclists are smaller and slower, and they constantly complain about how a**hole drivers don't give them space or treat them like they belong.  Seeing that I was slower than them, and without a bicycle, I expected that they would be understanding.  That they would give me plenty of space, and wait until it was safe to pass me.  Sure, I can't run as fast as a cyclist, but a cyclist can't cycle as fast as car.  If they expect cars to slow down and go their speed until they can safely pass - certainly, they wouldn't begrudge doing the same to me.  Right?

Apparently, I was wrong.  Yay for double standards!


You are not a vehicle. Stay out of the street. Bikes should stay off the sidewalk for the same reason. If it's too crowded to run on a sidewalk, find a different running route.

Re: TFA. It's quite possible the car driver was just a dick, but I'd be interested to know if the cyclists were riding abreast. Because that is a total dick move; share the road goes both ways.
 
2013-07-07 09:46:43 AM
Dead for Tax Reasons:
///let me tell you about the time someone did a "swoop and squat" on me in Vegas... guess who was at fault?  (not them)

Swoop and squat in vegas? That'll cost you double at least


They all got out of the car holding their necks and screaming they were hurt.  The cop arrived and found no damage on either car.  (literally not a scratch) The cop did not even fill out an actual accident report since there was no damage.  They refused any type of medical treatment.  I never did ask how much my insurance company settled for, but quite sure it would've been enough to make my blood boil.  After they took the bumper off of their car, they claimed there damage.  Not sure how much there could have been since the vehicle I was in had nothing (it was fully inspected along with the frame behind the bumper)  I guess their Mercedes was no match for my awesome Chrysler sebring convertible rental car.
 
2013-07-07 09:50:28 AM

stirfrybry: Very strange people at fark. They scream about global warming and carbon footprints yet they side with the evil polluters! LOL


Everything said in a Fark thread will eventually become a reductio. There is no facrtoid or philosophy that this place does not render into a ridiculous mental goo. But much like a Salvador Dali clock painting, it persists, so what else is there to do?
 
2013-07-07 09:51:23 AM

Carth: Publikwerks: I

If the roles were reversed, and the car ran him over because it couldn't come to a complete stop fast enough, would that then be the bikers fault?

If the biker intentionally stopped with the goal of creating an unsafe situation? Yes. That is what the cyclist seems to be accusing the driver of and if it actually happened would make the car at fault.


Bikes are inherently unsafe when on the road with cars.

BTW - Here's the problem with bikers:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/14/waltham-man-killed-maine -w hile-riding-his-bike-for-charity/sD9DDRiWJyln4b5LS6tOyL/story.html

Here's a part of the article:

Police said David LeClair was cycling along Route 2 in Hanover just before 9 a.m. with a group of other employees from Athenahealth Inc. of Watertown when the rear of a tractor-trailer hit LeClair, killing him instantly.

The truck did not stop, police said in a statement, although it was unclear if the driver knew his vehicle had struck LeClair.

LeClair's companions called police with a description of the truck, and police stopped a driver operating a truck matching the description a short time later in nearby Rumford. Police said they were interviewing the driver Friday and examining the vehicle.


Here's the follow up:
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/06/17/news/state/bicyclist-drinking- wa ter-at-time-of-fatal-collision-with-canadian-truck-in-trek-across-main e-police-say/
A bicyclist  who died Friday while participating in the Trek Across Maine lost control of his bike while drinking from a water bottle as a tractor-trailer passed him, according to police.

So part of me wonders whether or not they were operating as they should, because the fact of the matter is that he was not in control of his bicycle. If you cannot come to a complete stop safely, you are not in control
 
2013-07-07 09:52:33 AM

stirfrybry: Very strange people at fark. They scream about global warming and carbon footprints yet they side with the evil polluters! LOL


Every single bicyclist I know doesn't also own a car, and they get all their spandex clothing from naturally occurring fairy rings where the forest druids call upon the earth mother to grant them the gift of brightly colored spandex outfits.  Every single one.
 
2013-07-07 09:53:21 AM

nucal: Does not approve


I would punch my momma right in da mouf....
 
2013-07-07 09:53:47 AM

Carth: BunkyBrewman:

He might be trolling, but he does have a point.  The bicyclist rear-ended the car.  He has to prove why he was following to close.  The question here is simple;  What takes longer to stop when going downhill... a bicycle or a two ton vehicle?


The bike at the same speed takes longer, definitely. Bike brakes suck. Cars weigh a lot more, but they have giant disc brakes gripped hydraulically by ceramic plates, while bikes have itty bits of rubber hand-squeezed onto a tiny strip of often-damp tire rim.

/Have a permanent dent in my left thigh from where a car with old-fashioned door handles passed me and immediately turned right into a parking lot, in the rain, assuming I could stop.
 
2013-07-07 09:53:51 AM

Publikwerks: I'm no fan of road rage assholes, but to be fair, Mr Ironman didn't hit the car. He misjudged if he could get around the car, had to stop too fast, and flipped over the handlebars.  He was operating his bike too fast then. If you cannot come to a complete stop safely, then you are going too fast.

If the roles were reversed, and the car ran him over because it couldn't come to a complete stop fast enough, would that then be the bikers fault?


You know, that's actually a pretty good point. He did say his first choice was to try to get around the car. I'm not defending the motorist, but it's a valid argument.
 
2013-07-07 09:54:17 AM

BunkyBrewman: Dead for Tax Reasons:
///let me tell you about the time someone did a "swoop and squat" on me in Vegas... guess who was at fault?  (not them)

Swoop and squat in vegas? That'll cost you double at least

They all got out of the car holding their necks and screaming they were hurt.  The cop arrived and found no damage on either car.  (literally not a scratch) The cop did not even fill out an actual accident report since there was no damage.  They refused any type of medical treatment.  I never did ask how much my insurance company settled for, but quite sure it would've been enough to make my blood boil.  After they took the bumper off of their car, they claimed there damage.  Not sure how much there could have been since the vehicle I was in had nothing (it was fully inspected along with the frame behind the bumper)  I guess their Mercedes was no match for my awesome Chrysler sebring convertible rental car.


That story suffered from a severe lack of hookers
 
2013-07-07 09:58:47 AM
I commute by car every morning through Boulder. It's peak time for bike commuters and cyclists taking advantage of cooler temperatures, and there are a lot of them on my route.

Even the rare riders not obeying the law and riding two or three abreast are such a momentary inconvenience I'm having a hard time understanding the contempt in this thread, let alone the people who would act aggressively towards them while driving in a car.
 
2013-07-07 09:58:56 AM
STAY. AWAY. FROM. CARS.

If you can't, KEEP YOUR EYES ON THEM.

13 years now I've been biking thru Philly. No road rage incidents. No injuries. Why? Ride against traffic, stay on the sidewalk as much as you can, don't be a dick when pedestrians are around. Simple. Works. Saved by ass NUMEROUS times.
 
2013-07-07 09:59:37 AM
"I was having one of my best seasons. I'm 39 soon to be 40. I don't have that much longer to keep competing."

But doesn't he know that at 40 he's in better shape than at 20?

Where are the Middle Aged Delusion Syndrome farkers?

Ker_Thwap: idiots dressed in spandex were peddling 3 wide across the entire lane.


It is dangerous to sell bikes on the highway, yes. Perhaps one day someone will sell you a dictionary.
 
2013-07-07 10:02:03 AM

WinoRhino: The Googles Do Nothing: It is for this reason that I don't ever want to do a triathlon.  Too much time on the road training with the bike and running into drivers like this.  Drivers usually don't road rage at runners, but when they see a cyclist it seems to trigger something in them.

Oddly, I've had more problems running than biking. Most of the time it involves crossing a street at a T intersection. Someone coming off a side street attempting to make a right turn onto the main road will approach the intersection while staring out their left window for oncoming traffic. If there isn't any, they immediately start their right turn without ever checking the crosswalk for pedestrians. Happens at least once every week. On the rare occasion they cut so close to me could give their car a kick, but usually just manage to yell a "HEY!" and spend the next mile or two being all annoyed. 

Fark_Guy_Rob: Apparently, I was wrong.

Do you think you should be able to go for a run down the middle of the traffic lane as well? Cycle lanes are usually there because it's been determined safety issues exist with cars and bikes sharing the road, or there is a large population of cycles in the area requiring their own lane. If I was in an area with a cycle lane and there were runners using it, I'd probably be annoyed too-- especially if there was a sidewalk.


I'm too much a klutz for road or mountain biking, so I run. In Colorado at least, it is legal for a pedestrian to walk or run in the roadway. Not recommended, but legal. When I run roads (very rarely) I run in the bike lane facing traffic - and share. It's easy to get around a bike.

Have almost been hit 3 times this calendar year by people turning right without looking. And I've been run off the road in my car by a broad from South Dakota who didn't understand that you need to look before changing lanes. Pickups and minivans seem to be the vehicle of choice for idiots.

Now: As for the crowd that thinks carbon fiber is a substitute for penis length - yes, there are too many to count. I stopped at a midblock crosswalk to let a family on bikes cross. Asshole in spandex passed me on the right, nearly clipped a 7 year old girl, and ran the red. I followed him at 20-25 mph for 3 miles, never honking, never saying anything, never buzzing him, obeying all traffic laws, just calmly following him. By the time he found a path I couldn't drive on the guy was screaming and shaking; he had no idea what I was up to, which was nothing except pure psychological warfare.
 
2013-07-07 10:02:53 AM

mark12A: STAY. AWAY. FROM. CARS.

If you can't, KEEP YOUR EYES ON THEM.

13 years now I've been biking thru Philly. No road rage incidents. No injuries. Why? Ride against traffic, stay on the sidewalk as much as you can, don't be a dick when pedestrians are around. Simple. Works. Saved by ass NUMEROUS times.


That's fine if you're going a short distance, slowly. Bikes don't belong on the sidewalk. I commuted in DC, and on many streets I was faster than the cars, because I could pass a whole line of them at a light. The sidewalks aren't an option there; crowded and in poor repair.

You stay hard to the right, and if you're slowing up cars because of a narrow lane with cars parked along it, you stand on the pedals and sprint. Never had an incident.
 
2013-07-07 10:07:11 AM

WinoRhino: Publikwerks: I'm no fan of road rage assholes, but to be fair, Mr Ironman didn't hit the car. He misjudged if he could get around the car, had to stop too fast, and flipped over the handlebars.  He was operating his bike too fast then. If you cannot come to a complete stop safely, then you are going too fast.

If the roles were reversed, and the car ran him over because it couldn't come to a complete stop fast enough, would that then be the bikers fault?

You know, that's actually a pretty good point. He did say his first choice was to try to get around the car. I'm not defending the motorist, but it's a valid argument.


That's what I'm saying. I give Bikes a wide berth, and I try to chill with the little things. But the problem is that some bicyclists seem to have no issue with operating right up to and beyond the line of safe operation, and when something goes wrong, the car operator has to make up the difference or bad things happen.
 
2013-07-07 10:07:18 AM

blacksho89: Now: As for the crowd that thinks carbon fiber is a substitute for penis length - yes, there are too many to count. I stopped at a midblock crosswalk to let a family on bikes cross. Asshole in spandex passed me on the right, nearly clipped a 7 year old girl, and ran the red. I followed him at 20-25 mph for 3 miles, never honking, never saying anything, never buzzing him, obeying all traffic laws, just calmly following him. By the time he found a path I couldn't drive on the guy was screaming and shaking; he had no idea what I was up to, which was nothing except pure psychological warfare.


Tell me about your father.
 
2013-07-07 10:09:02 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: "I was having one of my best seasons. I'm 39 soon to be 40. I don't have that much longer to keep competing."

But doesn't he know that at 40 he's in better shape than at 20?

Where are the Middle Aged Delusion Syndrome farkers?


That's a real thing. When I was 43, I got down to 155 pounds, and inline-skated 38 miles in 3:20. At 45, I ran a 10k in under an hour. When I was 20, I couldn't do endurance sports. I could run three miles in under 25 minutes for my Navy ROTC test, but I felt like I was dying the whole time.

/Got fat; can't do crap in my 50s.
 
2013-07-07 10:09:12 AM
"Youre goin' 30 feet up in the FARKing air, that's where you're going!" -G. Carlin
 
2013-07-07 10:09:31 AM

Yogimus: How does one "Suffer" from road rage? It isn't cancer.  It is a voluntary state of being.


It's like having an itchy trigger finger I think.
 
2013-07-07 10:11:15 AM
I've been in the driver's position before.  Idiot cyclers going half the speed limit but riding in a way that makes it really hard to pass.  And it sounds like the driver finally got a chance to pass and the cyclists took offense to the way he passed and started riding him.  Oops.

//If you live in SF and you ever see Critical Mass, you will lose all ability to ever feel bad for a cyclist who gets nailed by a car
 
2013-07-07 10:11:27 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: "I was having one of my best seasons. I'm 39 soon to be 40. I don't have that much longer to keep competing."

But doesn't he know that at 40 he's in better shape than at 20?

Where are the Middle Aged Delusion Syndrome farkers?

Ker_Thwap: idiots dressed in spandex were peddling 3 wide across the entire lane.

It is dangerous to sell bikes on the highway, yes. Perhaps one day someone will sell you a dictionary.


Go look at Ironman race winners, and look at their ages. 40 year olds are faster than 20 year olds. And when you get into ultrarunning (100 miles +), women are minutes away from beating men. Ann Trason has won some ultras outright.
You might want to check your assumptions; they don't agree with the facts. And make sure you polish the brush guard on your Ram this weekend; you'll need it at the grocery store.
 
2013-07-07 10:11:48 AM

kokomo61: There are asses on both sides of the rider / car equation, but in every case, the cyclist will lose. Yeah, we have a right to ride on the roads. No, cars don't have the right to put cyclists in danger. Still, the odds are stacked in favor of the driver. I try to minimize my time on the road to ones with wide shoulders just for safety.


I live in NoVa too (Live in Herndon, work in Reston).  Very close to the W&OD trail in fact.  I've got mad love for the bikers around here.  Butttt....Nothing infuriates me more than encountering a group of 8 to 12, or even 20+, heavily logoed, spandex wearing, Lance Armstrong wannabees riding 4-5 abreast down a 2 lane street that also happens to have a dedicated bike lane, or at least a section that is large enough for a bike, hell...even two bike riding side by side.

I know I am supposed to "share the road," but that does not give the bikers the right to be road hogging dicks too.  If the speed limit is 40, and you cannot sustain that kind of speed...GET THE FARK OUT OF THE FARKING WAY AND LET CARS PASS YOU, YOU SELF CENTERED DICKS!!!  There is no reason that they need to ride 4-5 abreast.  I know you may take issue with what I am saying here...but the bikers, like it or not, have some responsibility in the matter here too.  Just because you have the right to do something, depending on the circumstance, or location, may not make it correct.

Reminds me of The Dude saying: "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole"

You pickin' up what I'm throwin' down?

CSB:
A few years ago, I (among others) called the cops on a biker.  He was on Fairfax County Parkway...not riding on the shoulder/bike lane, no...in the actual car lane, at like 15MPH.  He had created a line of traffic that went back at least a 1/2 mile or more.  Once I got to the front and had the opportunity to discover the reason for the slowing, and pass him, I called 911.  The dude was going to get himself hurt due to the rage that was building behind him.  I was told that I was like the 20th person to call in the last 15 minutes, and that they already had a cop at the next intersection waiting to "deal with the moron" as the dispatcher put it.

I honestly cannot fathom why anyone sees it as being a good idea riding a bike on a, not perfectly straight, often curvy and somewhat hilly, 4 lane road that has 50MPH posted speed limits, where drivers regularly drive 60+MPH, and cross into each others lanes and the shoulder too.
 
2013-07-07 10:12:49 AM
I just "buzzed" a bicyclist riding half of the way into the road, when there was a good 6 feet to his right for biking (and bike lane markings).  Sorry, I'm not going to cross the double yellow lines into oncoming traffic, "share the road" works both ways.
 
2013-07-07 10:13:41 AM

lazymojo: Yogimus: How does one "Suffer" from road rage? It isn't cancer.  It is a voluntary state of being.

It's like having an itchy trigger finger I think.


I have road rage pretty bad sometimes. I'm at my worst when I'm running late and in general need to get my shiat together. I assume it's a control issue. But I'm not such a shiat that I would take it out on some dude on a bike.
 
2013-07-07 10:13:52 AM
Hey, if you want to inconvenience hundreds of motorists for your own gay little hobby, then you take your chances. Cry me a river, a**holes, and pray I still believe there's a chance I could get caught.
 
2013-07-07 10:13:57 AM
I'm getting a kick because I'm also training for an Ironman at the end of this summer...

I sympathize quite a bit with the biker. As long as he doesn't ride like an asshole. Most cyclists don't, but the few who do ruin it for the rest of us. On the other hand, 9 out of 10 drivers don't drive like assholes either.

Articles like this are why this will probably be my only Ironman. I'll stick to running and shorter triathlons. I've come to realize that it's only a matter of time before some asshole who hates cyclists runs me off the road/hits me and seriously injures or kills me.

/It's always some dumbass redneck in a giant truck getting as close as he can to you and then flooring it to scare you.
//last week I had to jump off the road to avoid a crop dusting plane taking off on it. That was a new experience...
 
2013-07-07 10:17:09 AM
Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?
 
2013-07-07 10:17:40 AM
The guy may have slammed in his brakes to be a dick, but it wouldn't be an issue if the bike wasn't following so close.
 
2013-07-07 10:18:10 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: blacksho89: Now: As for the crowd that thinks carbon fiber is a substitute for penis length - yes, there are too many to count. I stopped at a midblock crosswalk to let a family on bikes cross. Asshole in spandex passed me on the right, nearly clipped a 7 year old girl, and ran the red. I followed him at 20-25 mph for 3 miles, never honking, never saying anything, never buzzing him, obeying all traffic laws, just calmly following him. By the time he found a path I couldn't drive on the guy was screaming and shaking; he had no idea what I was up to, which was nothing except pure psychological warfare.

Tell me about your father.


In that ferocious and self-annihilating way in which so many men of his generation served their families, my father served my mother, my sister Hannah, but particularly me.
 
2013-07-07 10:18:23 AM
Also, there's a damn good reason cyclist wear those spandex shorts. They have a pad on the crotch of the shorts and are a million times more comfortable on a long ride. It's not because they're "Lance Armstrong wannabes". Would you call a high school football player wearing his pads and uniform a "Tom Brady" wannabe? No, it's a farking uniform.
 
2013-07-07 10:19:04 AM
FTFA:
"To be perfectly honest, there are enough cyclists and courteous drivers that we have it pretty good here," he said. "But occasionally you have a bad apple... It's just tough when something like this happens. It seems completely senseless."

And by "bad apple", he means someone who doesn't think it's okay to just let the rest of a large group of bicyclists through on red light, in clear violation of the law.

farking dicks.
 
2013-07-07 10:19:44 AM

Endive Wombat: kokomo61: There are asses on both sides of the rider / car equation, but in every case, the cyclist will lose. Yeah, we have a right to ride on the roads. No, cars don't have the right to put cyclists in danger. Still, the odds are stacked in favor of the driver. I try to minimize my time on the road to ones with wide shoulders just for safety.

I live in NoVa too (Live in Herndon, work in Reston).  Very close to the W&OD trail in fact.  I've got mad love for the bikers around here.  Butttt....Nothing infuriates me more than encountering a group of 8 to 12, or even 20+, heavily logoed, spandex wearing, Lance Armstrong wannabees riding 4-5 abreast down a 2 lane street that also happens to have a dedicated bike lane, or at least a section that is large enough for a bike, hell...even two bike riding side by side.


Cycle racing definitely seems to appeal to self-entitled dicks. They're even worse on multi-use trails. You see idiots drafting on each other at 30+ mph, dodging around little kids on tricycles and old couples out for a walk. I was skating on a trail in NoVa when some jerk leading a bike pace line told me not to use so much of my lane. They're skates, asshole; they require a much wider track than a bicycle. I sent him off with a few choice comments about his cranial anatomy and parentage.

Spandex, though; spandex rules. If you're on a bike or skates for more than an hour, you REALLY appreciate how much more comfortable spandex is than running shorts.
 
2013-07-07 10:23:04 AM

phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?


No. Car turning yields both to traffic from the left, and traffic abreast in the bike lane. If the cyclist is coming up from behind the car, the car should still should yield because he's crossing the bike lane in order to turn. In practice, the cyclist should be ready to yield, because car drivers are generally oblivious to bikes.
 
2013-07-07 10:23:46 AM

phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?


Traffic laws suck. Not sure of the legality, but in the case you mention, common sense would dictate that the cyclist stage to the left of and in front of the right-turning car, much as if he were a vehicle. Otherwise, as a cyclist is technically a pedestrian, he has the right of way if he is at the crosswalk..

If cycles behaved as vehicles ALL OF THE TIME or as pedestrians ALL OF THE TIME there would be less angry interaction.
 
2013-07-07 10:24:20 AM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Also, there's a damn good reason cyclist wear those spandex shorts. They have a pad on the crotch of the shorts and are a million times more comfortable on a long ride. It's not because they're "Lance Armstrong wannabes". Would you call a high school football player wearing his pads and uniform a "Tom Brady" wannabe? No, it's a farking uniform.


Eh, not really.  The padding helps initially when you first start riding.  Once you build up some muscle in the area, you don't really need the pads.  I've been riding about a year, when I do bother to wear the padded liner, I wear some baggy shorts over it.  No one wants to see my 50 year old butt with that much detail.

I also pull over when cars approach me, screw my rights, I'm not going to trust half blind elderly drivers, texting idiots, distracted and drunk drivers with my life.  I just get right off the road when any car at all approaches.
 
2013-07-07 10:25:52 AM

blacksho89: Go look at Ironman race winners, and look at their ages. 40 year olds are faster than 20 year olds. And when you get into ultrarunning (100 miles +), women are minutes away from beating men. Ann Trason has won some ultras outright.
You might want to check your assumptions; they don't agree with the facts. And make sure you polish the brush guard on your Ram this weekend; you'll need it at the grocery store.


You might want to learn how to read.

Maybe some 40 year olds are faster than some *OTHER* 20 year olds, but barring disease, there is NO WAY that the same person is better at 40 than 20.

The guy in the article said it himself.

Why people want to desperately deny that youth is better than oldth, I don't know.

I wonder why the Olympics aren't packed with paunchy balding 40 year olds.

mbillips: You see idiots drafting on each other at 30+ mph, dodging around little kids on tricycles and old couples out for a walk.


Out for a *walk* on a designated bike path?

Here in Montreal there are places where there are pictures of bikes spray-painted on the ground.

At what point can we say we've done enough to tell people it's a bike path?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-07 10:26:19 AM
phaseolus: Traffic law question: Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Starting from a red light or in moving traffic? In moving traffic it should be a "yield" type situation where you aren't supposed to disrupt the movement of bicycle traffic to make your turn. Same as changing lanes in front of a car.

I recently heard about ongoing experiments with "bike boxes" to try to improve safety at red lights. If you tell me where I misplaced my notes I'll transcribe them for you. The idea is you put bikes ahead of cars at the red light. Now Ms. Right Turner On Her Cell Phone is going to have to look at the pack of bicycles which are in her path. Maybe she will notice them. They didn't work as well as hoped.
 
2013-07-07 10:26:50 AM

phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?


The car should move over into the bike lane and treat it like a right turn lane.
 
2013-07-07 10:26:57 AM

phaseolus: Traffic law question:

Intersection, car in right lane wishing to turn right. Bicycle to his right in bike lane, going straight.

Bike yields to car, correct?


Incorrect, in theory. When you're driving a car you should not expect a bike to yield any more than another motorist. Doing this to another motorist is called "cutting them off".

In practice, the bike has to farking yield and may end up going head over handlebars in doing so, like the gentleman in TFA.
 
2013-07-07 10:29:31 AM
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2013-07-07 10:30:39 AM

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You'd need a deep neutrino scan to see where the bike seat is...
 
2013-07-07 10:32:11 AM

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2013-07-07 10:32:36 AM

BunkyBrewman: He might be trolling, but he does have a point. The bicyclist rear-ended the car. He has to prove why he was following to close. The question here is simple; What takes longer to stop when going downhill... a bicycle or a two ton vehicle?


Sounds like a swoop and squat to me

FTA:
Cunningham said a car passed them over a double-yellow line, honked its horn and "buzzed" them.
"It just went flying by as we were starting to go down the hill," said Cunningham, who was at the head of the group. "Then halfway down the hill, all of a sudden he just slammed on the brakes."

Intentional? Only one person knows...
 
2013-07-07 10:34:28 AM

runescorpio: BunkyBrewman: astro716: TheGregiss: Sounds like the dude on the bike was following too close. He should be issued a ticket in addition to his injuries.


If youre on a bike on the road, do the 45/50 mph speed limit or get the fark out of the way, and don't get mad and tailgate on a hill when you get passed. Youll be made to look like the douche ftfa.

3/10.  I got halfway through typing a response.

He might be trolling, but he does have a point.  The bicyclist rear-ended the car.  He has to prove why he was following to close.  The question here is simple;  What takes longer to stop when going downhill... a bicycle or a two ton vehicle?

Yes, I believe the guy in the car most likely had road rage but from the cyclist's own story, he was passed before they started going downhill which means he was going substantially below the speed limit.  (unless these guys can pedal 45mph up a hill outside Boulder)

/glad the guy wasn't hurt too bad
//and I don't have any reason not to believe the cyclist's story but he is going to have to prove he wasn't following too close (although the motorist is going to be cited for leaving the scene of an accident)
///let me tell you about the time someone did a "swoop and squat" on me in Vegas... guess who was at fault?  (not them)

Thing is noone hit the motorist. He wasnt actually in an accident.
I personally do not think cyclists should be on the roads with cars. No insurance for the reckless ones and no visible identification for the ones that cruise through 4 way stops. No lights when all other new vehicles have daytime running lights as a requirement.
I am a commercial driver that has a vehicle that is literally the legal maximum width. Cyclists hopping curbs at lights to get around me essentially barricade moderate traffic at their speed and endanger pedestrians when they get in the middle of them but they do it regularly.
They cut people off with no signals, come past at high speed in heavy traffic when I have a reduced rear visibility vehicle and crowd me.
Screw all cyclists. Make bike paths and go there. 9 years of accident free driving all my most dangerous situations are with cyclists.


People like you should take the bus. That you have a CDL proves that there should be some sort of psych evaluation for all license holders.
 
2013-07-07 10:38:55 AM
But can we all agree that electric scooters don't belong on the bike path?

There's a reason I avoid bike paths in downtown Montreal.
 
2013-07-07 10:39:02 AM
Meh. I ride 17 miles each way in plain old walking shorts. And a tshirt. I look like some south philly goomba riding his bike to his contracting job 'cause he lost his license after his third DUI....

If I rode thru south philly in spandex I'd get my ass kicked. Word.

Last week was a typical week. Rode my usual way, unscathed. I cut thru the construction site at the bottom of Richmond where they're shifting Richmond over and building a new onramp onto I-95. There a long section of new roadbed there, paralleling Richmond, but not connected or open to traffic, separated by dirt and orange traffic barrels, so I was cruising on it, completely separate from traffic, AND STILL some asshole in a van was yelling something at me as he drove by.

Coming back in the afternoon, there were people on the sidewalk in front of the shops at Penn's Landing, so I bailed out into the street (Columbus Blvd., into a bike lane, GOING WITH TRAFFIC!) to go around them. Of course, the usual happened when I venture into traffic. This time it was some numbnut on a crotch rocket decided to blow by me going 60 mph while doing a wheelie. Common event on Columbus, one of the reasons I stick to the sidewalk. If he had screwed up, I would have been dead meat.

One thing that continues to amaze me is all the Hipsters on old school Scwhinn type bikes that ride in traffic listening to Ipods. THAT is suicidal. You need to hear the enemy approaching....
 
2013-07-07 10:39:14 AM
Quantum Apostrophe Why people want to desperately deny that youth is better than oldth, I don't know

If I had to guess, at least in this context, is how often competitive cyclist are still competing and winning in some cases into their 30s, even late 30s and 40s. I think the average age of major event winners are late 20s to early 30s. Young 20s generally do not have the experience or stamina to win yet.

You can argue older is better but peak age is not 40s. Of course traditional sports like football and basketball is a totally different situation, unless you're Teemu Selanne.
 
2013-07-07 10:39:18 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: blacksho89: Go look at Ironman race winners, and look at their ages. 40 year olds are faster than 20 year olds. And when you get into ultrarunning (100 miles +), women are minutes away from beating men. Ann Trason has won some ultras outright.
You might want to check your assumptions; they don't agree with the facts. And make sure you polish the brush guard on your Ram this weekend; you'll need it at the grocery store.

You might want to learn how to read.

Maybe some 40 year olds are faster than some *OTHER* 20 year olds, but barring disease, there is NO WAY that the same person is better at 40 than 20.

The guy in the article said it himself.

Why people want to desperately deny that youth is better than oldth, I don't know.

I wonder why the Olympics aren't packed with paunchy balding 40 year olds.

mbillips: You see idiots drafting on each other at 30+ mph, dodging around little kids on tricycles and old couples out for a walk.

Out for a *walk* on a designated bike path?

Here in Montreal there are places where there are pictures of bikes spray-painted on the ground.

At what point can we say we've done enough to tell people it's a bike path?


Oh. Montreal. Never mind with facts, then, continue with your ignorant snobbery.
 
2013-07-07 10:39:42 AM

mark12A: 13 years now I've been biking thru Philly. No road rage incidents. No injuries. Why? Ride against traffic, stay on the sidewalk as much as you can, don't be a dick when pedestrians are around. Simple. Works. Saved by ass NUMEROUS times.

As a runner, cyclist and driver, I can't stand people like you. It's good to be wary of cars and defer to them whenever possible, but dont break the law and be a dick to everyone else.
 
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