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(Telegraph)   The Catholic Church has solved the age old question....Is the Hulk Catholic?   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 138
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2013-07-07 01:15:10 AM  
In fairness, Nightcrawler and the Daredevil are pretty unabashedly Catholic. The Punisher too--even with a storyline that revealed that he had once been on track for the seminary.

For those who have the time and want to take the effort, this is an incredible devotion to both religiosity and comic geekdom...
 
2013-07-07 01:22:02 AM  
Does the Hulk also crap in the woods?
 
2013-07-07 01:24:31 AM  
Is my cat Wiccan?

/whocares.jpg
 
2013-07-07 01:37:09 AM  
...actually, I think he is.

And, of course, The Thing is Jewish.
 
2013-07-07 01:41:02 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: ...actually, I think he is.

And, of course, The Thing is Jewish.


Huh.  I knew Atom Smasher was Jewish:

theweeklyhaul.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-07 02:16:55 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Nightcrawler and the Daredevil are pretty unabashedly Catholic. The Punisher too--even with a storyline that revealed that he had once been on track for the seminary.

For those who have the time and want to take the effort, this is an incredible devotion to both religiosity and comic geekdom...


Interesting. I would have guessed Constantine, but not Ghost Rider as being Catholic.
 
2013-07-07 03:34:05 AM  
Kids like comics, too.
 
2013-07-07 04:09:54 AM  
Why would gods worship other gods?
 
2013-07-07 04:12:12 AM  
Aqua Man is Muslim.

/got nuthin..sorry
 
2013-07-07 04:13:43 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Why would gods worship other gods?


Because no matter how big your are, there is always someone bigger?
 
2013-07-07 04:13:46 AM  
Bruce Wayne isn't Catholic. He's Episcopalian. Lapsed, of course. But DC Comics has gone to great lengths to establish the Wayne family as being Episcopalian.

Just because he has an ambiguous relationship with a young boy doesn't mean he's one of you.
 
2013-07-07 04:15:25 AM  
The Confessor from Astro City is about the most Catholic superhero I can think of.
 
2013-07-07 04:15:51 AM  

hubiestubert: In fairness, Nightcrawler and the Daredevil are pretty unabashedly Catholic. The Punisher too--even with a storyline that revealed that he had once been on track for the seminary.

For those who have the time and want to take the effort, this is an incredible devotion to both religiosity and comic geekdom...


The following are listed as religions on that site:

LGBT
environmentalism
communism
atheism
agnosticism
Communist atheism
Maoist Communism
demon; anti-demon (?)
Nazi
Futurist
insect-based beliefs
Vegan
Animal Rights
Feminism
Pro-abortion activist (???)
 
2013-07-07 04:29:02 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-07 04:31:00 AM  
I thought he was the leader of the Hulkamaniacs sect?

/No, I didn't RTFA, is that bad?
 
2013-07-07 04:50:05 AM  
Why the Stupid tag?  Catholics aren't allowed to have fun?
 
2013-07-07 04:54:42 AM  

brimed03: Why the Stupid tag?  Catholics aren't allowed to have fun?


You might hope the Vatican would be more concerned with this week's scandals than comic books.
 
2013-07-07 04:58:27 AM  
does Nightcrawler  upload.wikimedia.org

=  Webcrawler

gothenburg.k12.ne.us
??????
 
2013-07-07 05:37:23 AM  

Weatherkiss: Bruce Wayne isn't Catholic. He's Episcopalian. Lapsed, of course. But DC Comics has gone to great lengths to establish the Wayne family as being Episcopalian.

Just because he has an ambiguous relationship with a young boy doesn't mean he's one of you.


LOL!

I thought the Hulk was Jewish? The guy who played him in the TV series had a last name like Horowitz or something didn't he?
 
2013-07-07 05:49:25 AM  
It is almost like they make this shiat up as they go. My vote for the most Clerical of Catholic Heroes? Freddy Kruger. Seems like he'd have a long carrier with this organization.
 
2013-07-07 05:53:58 AM  
Why should a fictional character believe in a fictional character?

/Why shouldn't it. Discuss.
 
2013-07-07 05:57:39 AM  

mekki: God-is-a-Taco: Why would gods worship other gods?

Because no matter how big your are, there is always someone bigger?


You've obviously never seen my ego.
 
2013-07-07 06:02:17 AM  

lunkhed: Why should a fictional character believe in a fictional character?

/Why shouldn't it. Discuss.


i'm gay. discuss
 
2013-07-07 06:03:42 AM  
In the case of Superman, it doesn't matter if he's Christian or not. Being an alien from another world means that he never inherited Original Sin and therefore doesn't need to be saved.

Also the churches pushing people to see Man of Steel is weird given that the only explicitly Christian scene in the movie ends with boy Clark asking why "God made him like this" and Pa Kent goes "Actually, you're an alien with alien parents."

So yeah...
 
2013-07-07 06:04:47 AM  
what about Thor?
 
2013-07-07 06:11:54 AM  

brimed03: Why the Stupid tag?  Catholics aren't allowed to have fun?


Sure, stupid fun.
 
2013-07-07 06:13:41 AM  

Raw_fishFood: In the case of Superman, it doesn't matter if he's Christian or not. Being an alien from another world means that he never inherited Original Sin and therefore doesn't need to be saved.

Also the churches pushing people to see Man of Steel is weird given that the only explicitly Christian scene in the movie ends with boy Clark asking why "God made him like this" and Pa Kent goes "Actually, you're an alien with alien parents."

So yeah...


Good point.

Don't forget the part where Jor-El says "he'll be a God to them."

So, basically, if he's a "God" to them, they're worshipping another god.  Isn't that a no-no?
 
2013-07-07 06:15:57 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Raw_fishFood: In the case of Superman, it doesn't matter if he's Christian or not. Being an alien from another world means that he never inherited Original Sin and therefore doesn't need to be saved.

Also the churches pushing people to see Man of Steel is weird given that the only explicitly Christian scene in the movie ends with boy Clark asking why "God made him like this" and Pa Kent goes "Actually, you're an alien with alien parents."

So yeah...

Good point.

Don't forget the part where Jor-El says "he'll be a God to them."

So, basically, if he's a "God" to them, they're worshipping another god.  Isn't that a no-no?


u mean like money?
 
2013-07-07 06:16:18 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: ...actually, I think he is.

And, of course, The Thing is Jewish.


When I was seven days old my thing was made Jewish, too.
 
2013-07-07 06:16:54 AM  
Yes the Hulk is Catholic.

Remember when Andre ripped Hulk's shirt off? He had a cross underneath his shirt that cut is chest wide open.
 
2013-07-07 06:18:22 AM  
Christians are the first ones to break the 1st and 2nd Commandments. Worshipping Jesus and having Graven images is a no no. Touching children? Pass Go, and still get to eHeaven™.
 
2013-07-07 06:19:41 AM  
what the hell does "worship" mean anyway.  i mean seriously.....
 
2013-07-07 06:23:10 AM  
Comicbookreligion.com considers the Hulk to be a lapsed Catholic.
 
2013-07-07 06:23:15 AM  
I've always felt that as screwed up as comics were they do at least get the religious sensibilities of some characters right... When they bother to do them.
 
2013-07-07 06:26:11 AM  
Does the pope shiat in the woods?
 
2013-07-07 06:29:04 AM  

rnatalie: Does the pope shiat in the woods?


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-07-07 06:34:10 AM  

Ed Grubermann: mekki: God-is-a-Taco: Why would gods worship other gods?

Because no matter how big your are, there is always someone bigger?

You've obviously never seen my ego.


I doubt you've ever demanded human sacrifices to be made in your honor.

/but then again, maybe you have
 
2013-07-07 06:38:44 AM  

SunsetLament: Comicbookreligion.com considers the Hulk to be a lapsed Catholic.


So that means Hulk has to go to confession.

"Hulk sorry. Hulk sin."

"And how long has it been since your last confession?"

"HULK NOT KNOW. HULK NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS SHIAT."

/underdog is a lutheran?
 
2013-07-07 06:40:31 AM  
hulk masturbate Jan 28th, 2010
hulk masturbate Jan 30th, 2012

hulk go for 2 years without 'bating
 
2013-07-07 06:41:17 AM  
Well from the time bruce died and thor had to get his soul back and put it in the hulk to stop hulk smashing all the gods in asgard, the place bruces soul went to was not the christian heaven so while Hulk may be catholic, bruce certainly isn`t.
 
2013-07-07 06:50:21 AM  
 
2013-07-07 06:52:07 AM  
i125.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-07 06:53:59 AM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-07 07:02:04 AM  
Ed Grubermann:
You've obviously never seen my ego.

What a large ego may look like:
www.reocities.com
 
2013-07-07 07:03:04 AM  

ghambone: It is almost like they make this shiat up as they go.


Which? Comic books or organized religion?
 
2013-07-07 07:08:18 AM  

Doc Daneeka: ghambone: It is almost like they make this shiat up as they go.

Which? Comic books or organized religion?


Yes.
 
2013-07-07 07:12:32 AM  
Superman is Jewish. At least based upon the '70s movie he is.
 
2013-07-07 07:17:51 AM  

cman: Yes the Hulk is Catholic.

Remember when Andre ripped Hulk's shirt off? He had a cross underneath his shirt that cut is chest wide open.


Well played!
 
2013-07-07 07:20:33 AM  
does the Hulk molest children?

no. there's your answer
 
2013-07-07 07:31:06 AM  

Person: Superman is Jewish. At least based upon the '70s movie he is.


The mohel's knife must have been made of kryptonite
 
2013-07-07 07:31:13 AM  
Q. Is the Hulk catholic?
A. Hulk... is a cartoon.

/  Shamelessly stolen.
 
2013-07-07 07:33:05 AM  
healthyceleb.com
 
2013-07-07 07:38:58 AM  
If Hulk were a Branch Davidian, that whole thing would have turned out differently.
 
2013-07-07 07:42:07 AM  

Loneman1: cman: Yes the Hulk is Catholic.

Remember when Andre ripped Hulk's shirt off? He had a cross underneath his shirt that cut is chest wide open.

Well played!


I can't believe it took someone that long to figure it out. Its not like it is obscure when you mention the names of Andre and Hulk in the same sentence.
 
2013-07-07 07:42:21 AM  

Devolving_Spud: If Hulk were a Branch Davidian, that whole thing would have turned out differently.


I've heard there's still Branch Davidians out there, who expect David Koresh to return from the dead.
 
2013-07-07 07:45:25 AM  

Gulper Eel: SunsetLament: Comicbookreligion.com considers the Hulk to be a lapsed Catholic.

So that means Hulk has to go to confession.

"Hulk sorry. Hulk sin."

"And how long has it been since your last confession?"

"HULK NOT KNOW. HULK NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS SHIAT."

/underdog is a lutheran?


Diet coke all over the keyboard.
 
2013-07-07 08:04:50 AM  
Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one
 
2013-07-07 08:07:49 AM  

mekki: Ed Grubermann: mekki: God-is-a-Taco: Why would gods worship other gods?

Because no matter how big your are, there is always someone bigger?

You've obviously never seen my ego.

I doubt you've ever demanded human sacrifices to be made in your honor.


Ah, but I'm not an asshole. Unlike some insecure deities I could name...
 
2013-07-07 08:07:50 AM  
Devolving_Spud: If Hulk were a Branch Davidian, that whole thing would have turned out differently.

---- Nope, the FBI would just amp up the targeted harassment campaign and STILL burn down the compound with CS gas.
 
2013-07-07 08:13:29 AM  
CATHOLICS v. JEWS!

img809.imageshack.us
 
2013-07-07 08:16:27 AM  

Medic Zero: Weatherkiss: Bruce Wayne isn't Catholic. He's Episcopalian. Lapsed, of course. But DC Comics has gone to great lengths to establish the Wayne family as being Episcopalian.

Just because he has an ambiguous relationship with a young boy doesn't mean he's one of you.

LOL!

I thought the Hulk was Jewish? The guy who played him in the TV series had a last name like Horowitz or something didn't he?


He was played by Lou Ferrigno. High probability of Italian / catholic.
 
2013-07-07 08:18:10 AM  

phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one


I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.
 
2013-07-07 08:20:51 AM  
Catholic

answers.bettor.com

Not Catholic

4.bp.blogspot.com

Lou Ferrigno

img.thesun.co.uk
 
2013-07-07 08:23:31 AM  

TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one

I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.


I'll reserve doubt on the "good people" description. I just can't see how they could follow the "Good Book" and not be in prison.

Besides, I also can't reconcile anyone who supports the Catholic church and it's doctrines as being "good people," though I'm sure they think they are. That's a lot of pain, death and misery (past, present and future) on one's hands.
 
2013-07-07 08:30:27 AM  
Maybe he should learn to turn the other cheek.
 
2013-07-07 08:40:02 AM  
So, will this thread be an enjoyable nerdly discussion of subtle and overt indicators of super heroes' religious affiliations, and the handling of religious issues by comic writers, or will the Fark Atheist Brigade stink up the place too much with their hate-stench?

[reads thread]

Ah nuts.
 
2013-07-07 08:41:10 AM  

phrawgh: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one

I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.

I'll reserve doubt on the "good people" description. I just can't see how they could follow the "Good Book" and not be in prison.

Besides, I also can't reconcile anyone who supports the Catholic church and it's doctrines as being "good people," though I'm sure they think they are. That's a lot of pain, death and misery (past, present and future) on one's hands.


I too have always found it odd that cruel human behavior throughout history has been limited to Christians. No other people of any religion, country, ethnic background etcetera have ever lowered themselves to crimes against humanity. No one else's personal beliefs, ethnic practices, spiritual books, want to secure their borders or invade the borders of others has ever taken place or led to torture, murder, genocide or war. It's always the Christians. I don't understand how the rest of the world tolerates their lot.
 
2013-07-07 08:42:37 AM  

phrawgh: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one

I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.

I'll reserve doubt on the "good people" description. I just can't see how they could follow the "Good Book" and not be in prison.

Besides, I also can't reconcile anyone who supports the Catholic church and it's doctrines as being "good people," though I'm sure they think they are. That's a lot of pain, death and misery (past, present and future) on one's hands.


The Catholic Church has done some pretty awful things but it isn't fair to blame current practitioners on its past moral failures - nor to blame all Catholics for the recent sins of the Church leadership.

In any event, you'll have to take my word for it that they're good people and also practicing Catholics. I'm not interested in arguing the point with someone who dislikes my friends simply for their faith.
 
2013-07-07 08:52:15 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: hubiestubert: In fairness, Nightcrawler and the Daredevil are pretty unabashedly Catholic. The Punisher too--even with a storyline that revealed that he had once been on track for the seminary.

For those who have the time and want to take the effort, this is an incredible devotion to both religiosity and comic geekdom...

The following are listed as religions on that site:

LGBT
environmentalism
communism
atheism
agnosticism
Communist atheism
Maoist Communism
demon; anti-demon (?)
Nazi
Futurist
insect-based beliefs
Vegan
Animal Rights
Feminism
Pro-abortion activist (???)


Yup. Reading the profiles for the characters you get a healthy respect for the ire that this site has for comics, and yet the sheer number of pages and research that went into it is pretty impressive. It was built by someone who REALLY despises comics as a medium, and wants to educate people on their ebbil.
 
2013-07-07 08:58:56 AM  
Pretty sure Thor is a Norse pagan, on the receiving end.
 
2013-07-07 09:02:38 AM  
i4.ytimg.com
 
2013-07-07 09:05:34 AM  

puddleonfire: Devolving_Spud: If Hulk were a Branch Davidian, that whole thing would have turned out differently.

---- Nope, the FBI would just amp up the targeted harassment campaign and STILL burn down the compound with CS gas.


That didn't happen. Koresh and his mighty men poured white gasoline around, set the building on fire, and kept followers from leaving.
 
2013-07-07 09:13:59 AM  
The Pope may be catholic, but the new Archbishop of Canterbury is Jewish.

Anglicans now get twice the holidays, with tastier feasts.  Mazel tov!
 
2013-07-07 09:14:23 AM  

phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one


They hide in catacombs.
 
2013-07-07 09:17:10 AM  

hubiestubert: God-is-a-Taco: hubiestubert: In fairness, Nightcrawler and the Daredevil are pretty unabashedly Catholic. The Punisher too--even with a storyline that revealed that he had once been on track for the seminary.

For those who have the time and want to take the effort, this is an incredible devotion to both religiosity and comic geekdom...

The following are listed as religions on that site:

LGBT
environmentalism
communism
atheism
agnosticism
Communist atheism
Maoist Communism
demon; anti-demon (?)
Nazi
Futurist
insect-based beliefs
Vegan
Animal Rights
Feminism
Pro-abortion activist (???)

Yup. Reading the profiles for the characters you get a healthy respect for the ire that this site has for comics, and yet the sheer number of pages and research that went into it is pretty impressive. It was built by someone who REALLY despises comics as a medium, and wants to educate people on their ebbil.


Where are you getting that? It's pretty much just a big list, almost entirely without profiles. I read the Superman, Batman, Cap, and Plastic Man profiles, and I'm not seeing any "comics are evil" message.
 
2013-07-07 09:29:04 AM  
durbnpoisn.comli.com

Hulk not Catholic!!!

//I put way too much work into that animation.

Anyway...  I look at it like this...  The Hulk is a quick, short lived mutation.  He becomes a mutated thingy from something else (great big monster, from human).  And he generally doesn't have any forethought about anything he does.  So there is pretty much zero chance that he is religious at all, let alone Catholic.  So, if anyone actually put any more thought into trying to figure this out, than the couple of sentences I've given here, you really have wasted your time.
 
2013-07-07 09:34:53 AM  

phrawgh: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one

I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.

I'll reserve doubt on the "good people" description. I just can't see how they could follow the "Good Book" and not be in prison.

Besides, I also can't reconcile anyone who supports the Catholic church and it's doctrines as being "good people," though I'm sure they think they are. That's a lot of pain, death and misery (past, present and future) on one's hands.


You have a Biblical perspective, which is quite ironic.  It's the sort of simple-mindedness I'd expect from a Bronze Age goat herder.

Keep all the laws or you can't be one of the Chosen People.  The sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons unto the seventh generation. Yes, thou art thy brother's keeper.  All Biblical, and all you.

Jesus said one need only believe in his Redemption and keep two commandments (Matthew 22:37-40) in order to gain life everlasting.  Everything else is man's bullshiat; the rituals of a fraternity, not the keys to salvation.
 
2013-07-07 09:39:59 AM  
so bacon it is

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
HKW
2013-07-07 09:44:41 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Is my cat Wiccan?

/whocares.jpg


Who cares? Apparently the same people who were/arw conxerned over the sexual orientation of Dumbledore.

After discovering Dumbledore likes to suck dicks, I slept the same the night after as I did the night before. I presume my sleep will be unaffected by this newest revelation.
 
2013-07-07 09:45:09 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: You have a Biblical perspective, which is quite ironic.  It's the sort of simple-mindedness I'd expect from a Bronze Age goat herder.

Keep all the laws or you can't be one of the Chosen People.  The sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons unto the seventh generation. Yes, thou art thy brother's keeper.  All Biblical, and all you.

Jesus said one need only believe in his Redemption and keep two commandments (Matthew 22:37-40) in order to gain life everlasting.  Everything else is man's bullshiat; the rituals of a fraternity, not the keys to salvation.


Yeah, my Priest said it in an interesting way :

The Old Testament is what a bunch of people learned kind of 'secondhand' from legend and fables.
The Gospels is pretty much God speaking for himself.
The Epistolary New Testament is the organization of the young church by people who spoke with God face-to-face. 

Pretending that the <i>truth</i> in the bible is literal or accessible to any rube who looks at it for a few minutes is silly.

That's one of the differences between the Catholic (and Orthodox)  and The Protestant sects. - The First says that you really do need some training. The other claims that The Holy Spirit will keep you from error.
 
2013-07-07 09:47:41 AM  

HKW: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Is my cat Wiccan?

/whocares.jpg

Who cares? Apparently the same people who were/arw conxerned over the sexual orientation of Dumbledore.

After discovering Dumbledore likes to suck dicks, I slept the same the night after as I did the night before. I presume my sleep will be unaffected by this newest revelation.


"Before Enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.  After Enlightenment, chop wood, carry water."
 
2013-07-07 09:50:13 AM  

rubi_con_man: BarkingUnicorn: You have a Biblical perspective, which is quite ironic.  It's the sort of simple-mindedness I'd expect from a Bronze Age goat herder.

Keep all the laws or you can't be one of the Chosen People.  The sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons unto the seventh generation. Yes, thou art thy brother's keeper.  All Biblical, and all you.

Jesus said one need only believe in his Redemption and keep two commandments (Matthew 22:37-40) in order to gain life everlasting.  Everything else is man's bullshiat; the rituals of a fraternity, not the keys to salvation.

Yeah, my Priest said it in an interesting way :

The Old Testament is what a bunch of people learned kind of 'secondhand' from legend and fables.
The Gospels is pretty much God speaking for himself.
The Epistolary New Testament is the organization of the young church by people who spoke with God face-to-face. 

Pretending that the <i>truth</i> in the bible is literal or accessible to any rube who looks at it for a few minutes is silly.

That's one of the differences between the Catholic (and Orthodox)  and The Protestant sects. - The First says that you really do need some training. The other claims that The Holy Spirit will keep you from error.


Like I always say:  every honest, true thing is simple.  The more complex a thing is made, the harder it is to find truth in it and the more likely it is that's someone's trying to get into your wallet.
 
2013-07-07 09:52:32 AM  
That's a great infographic.

As for the religion of fictional characters, all I can say is one good comic deserves another.
 
2013-07-07 09:57:48 AM  

Raw_fishFood: In the case of Superman, it doesn't matter if he's Christian or not. Being an alien from another world means that he never inherited Original Sin and therefore doesn't need to be saved.

Also the churches pushing people to see Man of Steel is weird given that the only explicitly Christian scene in the movie ends with boy Clark asking why "God made him like this" and Pa Kent goes "Actually, you're an alien with alien parents."

So yeah...


You're assuming Original Sin is unique to the human species and not a universal condition.  Of course, watching a Caltholic missionary trying to convert the Kryptonians might be interesting.
 
2013-07-07 10:09:45 AM  
...There the guy who'se got religion will, tell you if your sin's original...

Original sin presumes the common ancestry with Adam and Eve.   Of course, people don't know where Abel and Seth's wives came from in the bible so perhaps there was some extraterrestrial involvement (as opposed to the Science Made Stupid theory of them evolving...)

static.neatorama.com
 
2013-07-07 10:15:40 AM  
Raw_fishFood: In the case of Superman, it doesn't matter if he's Christian or not. Being an alien from another world means that he never inherited Original Sin and therefore doesn't need to be saved.

A broader interpretation of original sin is that consciousness  - awareness - creates within beings the ability to do things they know are wrong, but still enjoy doing them anyways... This is the fundamental nature of sin. Being free from sin might then be interpreted as having the kind of perspective to  remove the pleasure from sin, as well as having the strength to do what is right. While superman has the strength, Clark Kent clearly didn't have the perspective bit down.

Also the churches pushing people to see Man of Steel is weird given that the only explicitly Christian scene in the movie ends with boy Clark asking why "God made him like this" and Pa Kent goes "Actually, you're an alien with alien parents."

Except for the part where he talks to a priest before doing his 'big reveal'. The Priest that used to be a bully to him. There's a lot of giving of oneself, turning the other cheek, etc. There is a lot in Man of Steelfor a christian to mull over. I don't know if it resonates as powerfully for members of other faiths
 
2013-07-07 10:18:20 AM  

rnatalie: ...There the guy who'se got religion will, tell you if your sin's original...

Original sin presumes the common ancestry with Adam and Eve.   Of course, people don't know where Abel and Seth's wives came from in the bible so perhaps there was some extraterrestrial involvement (as opposed to the Science Made Stupid theory of them evolving...)


The answer is in Genesis.  Adam had many sons and daughters during his 800 years.  They and their descendants married each other.  Incest wasn't forbidden when it was necessary.
 
2013-07-07 10:21:20 AM  

Stealthdozer: [i125.photobucket.com image 737x1019]


25.media.tumblr.com

ISa god

Still celebrates christmas
 
2013-07-07 10:23:54 AM  

rnatalie: ...There the guy who'se got religion will, tell you if your sin's original...

Original sin presumes the common ancestry with Adam and Eve.   Of course, people don't know where Abel and Seth's wives came from in the bible so perhaps there was some extraterrestrial involvement (as opposed to the Science Made Stupid theory of them evolving...)

[static.neatorama.com image 500x468]



they came from teh land of Nod.  or where u go when you're high on heroin.  Adams family was a bunch of dope fiends
 
2013-07-07 10:33:27 AM  

Son of Thunder: So, will this thread be an enjoyable nerdly discussion of subtle and overt indicators of super heroes' religious affiliations, and the handling of religious issues by comic writers, or will the Fark Atheist Brigade stink up the place too much with their hate-stench?

[reads thread]

Ah nuts.


The Thing's Jewishness actually started as a Hanukkah card drawing Jack Kirby did for the hell of it.

At some point in the 70s, Kirby did an illustration of The Thing wearing a Yarmulke and reading from the Torah

unleashthefanboy.s3.amazonaws.com

But, that was for his own personal use.

But, in 2002, writer Karl Kesel pulled the trigger and made The Thing openly Jewish, with the retcon explanation that he had always been Jewish, but didn't mention it because he didn't want assholes associating a monster like him with Jewish people.

And that's why The Thing's rocky schmekle is chipped.

www.promoboxx.com
 
2013-07-07 10:45:45 AM  

Tax Boy: Stealthdozer: [i125.photobucket.com image 737x1019]

[25.media.tumblr.com image 488x750]

ISa god

Still celebrates christmas


Actually, Thor seems to be celebrating Yule there, which seems perfectly appropriate for him...
 
2013-07-07 10:46:17 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Son of Thunder: So, will this thread be an enjoyable nerdly discussion of subtle and overt indicators of super heroes' religious affiliations, and the handling of religious issues by comic writers, or will the Fark Atheist Brigade stink up the place too much with their hate-stench?

[reads thread]

Ah nuts.

The Thing's Jewishness actually started as a Hanukkah card drawing Jack Kirby did for the hell of it.

At some point in the 70s, Kirby did an illustration of The Thing wearing a Yarmulke and reading from the Torah

[unleashthefanboy.s3.amazonaws.com image 465x329]

But, that was for his own personal use.

But, in 2002, writer Karl Kesel pulled the trigger and made The Thing openly Jewish, with the retcon explanation that he had always been Jewish, but didn't mention it because he didn't want assholes associating a monster like him with Jewish people.


There's also the unfortunate comparison of The Thing with a golem, which actually brings a bit more pathos to the poor, rocky bastiche...
 
2013-07-07 10:46:25 AM  

Stealthdozer: [i125.photobucket.com image 737x1019]


Technically, they're just aliens who were treated as gods by the Norse.
 
2013-07-07 10:49:53 AM  

brimed03: Why the Stupid tag?  Catholics aren't allowed to have fun?


Catholics are allowed to have fun.  But maybe the Vatican should be more focused on rooting out the paedophiles and sex offenders before it starts considering which fictional characters believe in their god.
 
2013-07-07 11:06:40 AM  

hubiestubert: FirstNationalBastard: Son of Thunder: So, will this thread be an enjoyable nerdly discussion of subtle and overt indicators of super heroes' religious affiliations, and the handling of religious issues by comic writers, or will the Fark Atheist Brigade stink up the place too much with their hate-stench?

[reads thread]

Ah nuts.

The Thing's Jewishness actually started as a Hanukkah card drawing Jack Kirby did for the hell of it.

At some point in the 70s, Kirby did an illustration of The Thing wearing a Yarmulke and reading from the Torah

[unleashthefanboy.s3.amazonaws.com image 465x329]

But, that was for his own personal use.

But, in 2002, writer Karl Kesel pulled the trigger and made The Thing openly Jewish, with the retcon explanation that he had always been Jewish, but didn't mention it because he didn't want assholes associating a monster like him with Jewish people.

There's also the unfortunate comparison of The Thing with a golem, which actually brings a bit more pathos to the poor, rocky bastiche...


The Golem was done and done well by Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray in

www.covernk.com
 
2013-07-07 11:14:59 AM  
FirstNationalBastard:

And that's why The Thing's rocky schmekle is chipped.

Actually, I did that. Sorry. :-/
 
2013-07-07 11:19:33 AM  

Raw_fishFood: In the case of Superman, it doesn't matter if he's Christian or not. Being an alien from another world means that he never inherited Original Sin and therefore doesn't need to be saved.

Also the churches pushing people to see Man of Steel is weird given that the only explicitly Christian scene in the movie ends with boy Clark asking why "God made him like this" and Pa Kent goes "Actually, you're an alien with alien parents."

So yeah...


I think you're forgetting the part where he was actually in a church, talking to a pastor about whether or not he should turn himself in to Zod's forces. Or does that somehow not count?
 
2013-07-07 11:19:50 AM  
www.fathersarducci.com

Author of the article in question.
 
2013-07-07 11:22:44 AM  
Mouser: You're assuming Original Sin is unique to the human species and not a universal condition.  Of course, watching a Caltholic missionary trying to convert the Kryptonians might be interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sparrow_(novel)
 
2013-07-07 11:25:40 AM  
static.tvtropes.org
 
2013-07-07 11:25:58 AM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-07 11:28:30 AM  
1. I remember plenty of references to Ben Grimm's Jewishness before 2002.

2. Why do they need to study this? They can just ASK the comic book companies. They maintain " character bibles" regarding every character's eye color, hair color, height, weight, religion, prominent features, hair style, clothing style, stance, speech patterns, etc.. Marvel could just look it up and say, "Oh, yes. Bruce Banner is Catholic."

3. Banner may be Catholic, but the Hulk ain't. The Hulk is agnostic; He does not care about gods unless they're pissing him off and he needs to beat the shiat out of them. If I had to coin a term to describe his relationship with gods, I'd call him "aggrotheist."

4. Peter Parker's religion has always been a sticking point for me. Most of the time, he comes off as purely science-driven and agnostic, but every once in a while a writer will insert some religious references. This guy has met gods and cosmic beings. He has BEEN a cosmic being. He's friends with Thor! When his Aunt May was dying he (uncharacteristically) gained help from a demon  (Not "The Devil", though; Mephisto is just a powerful being from another plane of existence; Not Satan. Marvel's Satan is someone else, and he has kids.)  Why would he maintain any faith after all this? Why would he still believe there's a God (Jehovah) out there that trumps all the cosmic beings, gods, demons, devils, and other powerful creatures he has met in his lifetime?

I can understand the Thing sticking with his Judaism; He's not a scientist. He wouldn't analyze it like they do. I can understand Captain America still believing in God; He's not convinced that the people he knows as gods are actually gods, and considers them superhumans just like he is (and he certainly doesn't think of himself as a god.)

But Parker? I can't understand why he wouldn't be a total agnostic or atheist considering his scientific background, his personal experiences, and the fact that he actually had an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being (The Beyonder) staying with him in his Chelsea apartment, and taught him how to poop.

/Spider-Man taught god how to poop.
//Yes, that was my whole point.

i3.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-07 11:31:11 AM  
(Although in retrospect, if He were omniscient He wouldn't need Spider-Man to tell him anything... so bad writing, there.)
 
2013-07-07 11:38:35 AM  
Hmmm... fictional characters who believe in fictional characters.  Interesting.

/amidoingitright?
 
2013-07-07 11:41:02 AM  
Forgive me Father, for I have SMASHED!
 
2013-07-07 11:59:22 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: And that's why The Thing's rocky schmekle is chipped.


That right there is gold!
 
2013-07-07 12:01:33 PM  

mbillips: Pretty sure Thor is a Norse pagan, on the receiving end.


Actually, Those Who Sit Above in Shadow are the gods of the Asgardians: http://marvel.com/universe/Those_Who_Sit_Above_In_Shadow

/my nerd dick is bigger than any of y'all's!
 
2013-07-07 12:07:58 PM  

durbnpoisn: //I put way too much work into that animation.


Worth it, though. Well done.
 
2013-07-07 12:17:46 PM  

Alphax: Devolving_Spud: If Hulk were a Branch Davidian, that whole thing would have turned out differently.

I've heard there's still Branch Davidians out there, who expect David Koresh to return from the dead.


There might be, but if so, it's not the only faith with that name. The Branch Davidians split off from the Seventh-Day Adventists about 80 years ago. David Koresh (who wasn't called this at the time) got kicked out of the Seventh-Day Adventists about 30 years ago, and he then joined the Branch Davidians. Then he changed his name and split off from them, though his group also called themselves Branch Davidians. The faith he split off from still exists, and still calls themselves the Branch Davidians, but their opinion of him is not high.

There could also be a remnant of Koresh's group. I don't know.

/not a Branch Davidian by either definition
 
2013-07-07 12:19:27 PM  
I'm pretty sure that the Comedian from Watchmen was a lapsed Catholic.
 
2013-07-07 12:24:54 PM  

TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one

I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.


While I know a few "nice catholics" they're really not "real" catholics, they completely go against the church on a HUGE number of issues. The "real catholics that I know are just as much a bunch of self-righteous pricks as fundamentalist southern baptists. They are uptight, judgmental and have some of the weirdest beliefs of any religious group I know and I say that as someone who was raised catholic.
 
2013-07-07 12:36:59 PM  

ZeroCorpse: 1. I remember plenty of references to Ben Grimm's Jewishness before 2002.

2. Why do they need to study this? They can just ASK the comic book companies. They maintain " character bibles" regarding every character's eye color, hair color, height, weight, religion, prominent features, hair style, clothing style, stance, speech patterns, etc.. Marvel could just look it up and say, "Oh, yes. Bruce Banner is Catholic."

3. Banner may be Catholic, but the Hulk ain't. The Hulk is agnostic; He does not care about gods unless they're pissing him off and he needs to beat the shiat out of them. If I had to coin a term to describe his relationship with gods, I'd call him "aggrotheist."

4. Peter Parker's religion has always been a sticking point for me. Most of the time, he comes off as purely science-driven and agnostic, but every once in a while a writer will insert some religious references. This guy has met gods and cosmic beings. He has BEEN a cosmic being. He's friends with Thor! When his Aunt May was dying he (uncharacteristically) gained help from a demon  (Not "The Devil", though; Mephisto is just a powerful being from another plane of existence; Not Satan. Marvel's Satan is someone else, and he has kids.)  Why would he maintain any faith after all this? Why would he still believe there's a God (Jehovah) out there that trumps all the cosmic beings, gods, demons, devils, and other powerful creatures he has met in his lifetime?

I can understand the Thing sticking with his Judaism; He's not a scientist. He wouldn't analyze it like they do. I can understand Captain America still believing in God; He's not convinced that the people he knows as gods are actually gods, and considers them superhumans just like he is (and he certainly doesn't think of himself as a god.)

But Parker? I can't understand why he wouldn't be a total agnostic or atheist considering his scientific background, his personal experiences, and the fact that he actually had an omnipotent, omnipresent, omn ...


That was one of the more surreal two pages of comics that I've ever read.
 
2013-07-07 01:05:53 PM  
Of course the Hulk would be Catholic.

You think anyone would willingly circumcise that guy?
 
2013-07-07 01:07:45 PM  
Original sin presumes the common ancestry with Adam and Eve.   Of course, people don't know where Abel and Seth's wives came from in the bible so perhaps there was some extraterrestrial involvement (as opposed to the Science Made Stupid theory of them evolving...)


I always thought the Bible was pretty screwed up.
I mean, if you go by Adam and Eve, we are all the product of incest.
 
2013-07-07 01:08:25 PM  
There could also be a remnant of Koresh's group. I don't know.


Check the crematoriums.


/too soon?
 
2013-07-07 01:09:11 PM  
ts1.mm.bing.netts2.mm.bing.net
2 Godly asses kicked.
 
2013-07-07 01:16:59 PM  
well the Hulk's eaten a lot of people.  Jesus probably included.

so yes he's probably a Catholic
 
2013-07-07 01:27:59 PM  

MooseUpNorth: durbnpoisn: //I put way too much work into that animation.

Worth it, though. Well done.


Hehe... Thanks.  It made me chuckle.  That was the only reason I did it to start with.
 
2013-07-07 01:44:57 PM  

ReverendJimBobHammer: While I know a few "nice catholics" they're really not "real" catholics, they completely go against the church on a HUGE number of issues.


I'd argue that the church goes against the catholics on a huge number of issues, but that's just me.
 
2013-07-07 01:59:36 PM  

Copper Spork: brimed03: Why the Stupid tag?  Catholics aren't allowed to have fun?

You might hope the Vatican would be more concerned with this week's scandals than comic books.


On the other hand, the Vatican, instead of saying utterly pants-on-head retarded shiat about gay marriage, abortion, other religions, or molesting little boys, said something mildly amusing about comics. I think we can all agree this was probably the best option.
 
2013-07-07 02:25:30 PM  
This is dumb. In comic books, having a priest with the frock and collar is a convenient visual shorthand for priest. Same thing with the rosary.

If the characters are as their creators intended (and most of the creators were Jewish), then a lot of them would be Jewish. Superman was a Moses allegory way before he was co-opted as a Christ allegory.
 
2013-07-07 02:27:04 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: phrawgh: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

...

Jesus said one need only believe in his Redemption and keep two commandments (Matthew 22:37-40) in order to gain life everlasting.  Everything else is man's bullshiat; the rituals of a fraternity, not the keys to salvation.


That's not really what I see when I read Matthew 22:37-40.  I get more of a "all the other Commandments are derivative of these two" message from it.
 
2013-07-07 02:41:10 PM  
HULK GENUFLECT!!!
 
2013-07-07 02:48:08 PM  

ZeroCorpse: But Parker? I can't understand why he wouldn't be a total agnostic or atheist considering his scientific background, his personal experiences, and the fact that he actually had an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being (The Beyonder) staying with him in his Chelsea apartment, and taught him how to poop.


He's met people who claimed to be gods and had the power to back that claim up. What's strange about him finding one of these -or even more- to be worth following? Or maybe even one that he hadn't yet met?
 
2013-07-07 03:08:52 PM  
Well he was terribly abused as a child, so it's highly possible.
 
2013-07-07 03:59:46 PM  

flak attack: BarkingUnicorn: phrawgh: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

...

Jesus said one need only believe in his Redemption and keep two commandments (Matthew 22:37-40) in order to gain life everlasting.  Everything else is man's bullshiat; the rituals of a fraternity, not the keys to salvation.

That's not really what I see when I read Matthew 22:37-40.  I get more of a "all the other Commandments are derivative of these two" message from it.


Oh, all right... try Matthew 19:16-19

16 And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,

19 Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

That's only six commandments, and the first five follow from the sixth.  The sixth is one of the two in Matthew 22:37-40.  The other one is to love God, and that's kind of a gimme if your plan is to spend eternity with him.

That simple formula was enough to gain eternal life.  But it was too simple for the inquirer, who asked what else he should do.  And that's how all the add-on crap got started.

20 The young man said to him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said to him, If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22  When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Moral:  be satisfied with simple answers. The more complexity you demand, the more it's gonna cost you.
 
2013-07-07 04:01:38 PM  

TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one

I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.

I'll reserve doubt on the "good people" description. I just can't see how they could follow the "Good Book" and not be in prison.

Besides, I also can't reconcile anyone who supports the Catholic church and it's doctrines as being "good people," though I'm sure they think they are. That's a lot of pain, death and misery (past, present and future) on one's hands.

The Catholic Church has done some pretty awful things but it isn't fair to blame current practitioners on its past moral failures - nor to blame all Catholics for the recent sins of the Church leadership.

In any event, you'll have to take my word for it that they're good people and also practicing Catholics. I'm not interested in arguing the point with someone who dislikes my friends simply for their faith.


Always tricky to make arguments that can be shot down merely by replacing one word ("Catholics") with another ("Neo-Nazis").  You didn't quite pull it off.
 
2013-07-07 04:12:30 PM  
is Jesus hispanic
of course he is
 
2013-07-07 04:16:18 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one

I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.

I'll reserve doubt on the "good people" description. I just can't see how they could follow the "Good Book" and not be in prison.

Besides, I also can't reconcile anyone who supports the Catholic church and it's doctrines as being "good people," though I'm sure they think they are. That's a lot of pain, death and misery (past, present and future) on one's hands.

The Catholic Church has done some pretty awful things but it isn't fair to blame current practitioners on its past moral failures - nor to blame all Catholics for the recent sins of the Church leadership.

In any event, you'll have to take my word for it that they're good people and also practicing Catholics. I'm not interested in arguing the point with someone who dislikes my friends simply for their faith.

Always tricky to make arguments that can be shot down merely by replacing one word ("Catholics") with another ("Neo-Nazis").  You didn't quite pull it off.


Oh, piss off!  You don't win an argument by replacing apples with oranges. :P
 
2013-07-07 04:36:00 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: TFerWannaBe: phrawgh: Are there any Catholics that are actually Catholic?

/never seen one

I know a few. They're good people; you don't hear about them because they're not up in your face telling you so.

I'll reserve doubt on the "good people" description. I just can't see how they could follow the "Good Book" and not be in prison.

Besides, I also can't reconcile anyone who supports the Catholic church and it's doctrines as being "good people," though I'm sure they think they are. That's a lot of pain, death and misery (past, present and future) on one's hands.

The Catholic Church has done some pretty awful things but it isn't fair to blame current practitioners on its past moral failures - nor to blame all Catholics for the recent sins of the Church leadership.

In any event, you'll have to take my word for it that they're good people and also practicing Catholics. I'm not interested in arguing the point with someone who dislikes my friends simply for their faith.

Always tricky to make arguments that can be shot down merely by replacing one word ("Catholics") with another ("Neo-Nazis").  You didn't quite pull it off.


You don't find anything worthwhile at all in Catholic policy, doctrine or teachings?
 
2013-07-07 04:46:04 PM  
i.imgur.com

Only Americans would dare.

Only Americans would dare.

Only Americans would dare.
 
2013-07-07 04:49:51 PM  

cman: Loneman1: cman: Yes the Hulk is Catholic.

Remember when Andre ripped Hulk's shirt off? He had a cross underneath his shirt that cut is chest wide open.

Well played!

I can't believe it took someone that long to figure it out. Its not like it is obscure when you mention the names of Andre and Hulk in the same sentence.


True statement!
 
2013-07-07 05:50:04 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 256x294]

Only Americans would dare.

Only Americans would dare.

Only Americans would dare.


"Do you affirm that the testimony you are about to give is true?" would be acceptable in any court in the USA. The whole "so help me, God" schtick is not mandatory in any US court, Federal, state, or other polity, and hasn't been for a while.
 
2013-07-07 08:41:56 PM  

TFerWannaBe: You don't find anything worthwhile at all in Catholic policy, doctrine or teachings?


Nothing that isn't available elsewhere without all the intellectual and social baggage.
 
2013-07-07 08:50:38 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Always tricky to make arguments that can be shot down merely by replacing one word ("Catholics") with another ("Neo-Nazis"). You didn't quite pull it off.


...aaaaand Godwin.
 
2013-07-07 11:09:14 PM  

Millennium: Man On Pink Corner: Always tricky to make arguments that can be shot down merely by replacing one word ("Catholics") with another ("Neo-Nazis"). You didn't quite pull it off.

...aaaaand Godwin.


OK, "Satanists."  Better?
 
2013-07-08 09:58:43 AM  
FirstNationalBastard:

And that's why The Thing's rocky schmekle is chipped.

[www.promoboxx.com image 344x226]


Post of the week, right there.

/some of my best friends are granitic Hebrews.
 
2013-07-08 10:10:00 AM  

Silly_Sot: weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 256x294]

Only Americans would dare.

Only Americans would dare.

Only Americans would dare.

"Do you affirm that the testimony you are about to give is true?" would be acceptable in any court in the USA. The whole "so help me, God" schtick is not mandatory in any US court, Federal, state, or other polity, and hasn't been for a while.


Comic-book logic to one side for a moment, it's arguable that the U.S. has become more overtly religious since its founding and ready to mix in a little State with whatever generic Church happens to be in play:

Like so much discussed in Farkland, the answer involves putting your hand in your pocket. Clearly, the eventual and extremely bloody Union victory in the Civil War was due to the angry sky beardy and not guys like Grant and Sherman.
 
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