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2013-07-06 06:56:54 PM
Birth defects, also known as congenital abnormalities......

"It used to be birth defects. Now it's congenital abnormalities."
www.therichest.org
"Get the fark outta here."
 
2013-07-06 08:24:41 PM
Cousins are too much like strangers for people in the South, subby.
 
2013-07-06 08:25:29 PM
I thought we already knew this...didn't we already know this?
 
2013-07-06 08:31:16 PM
No farking shiat!!!
Have you seen the royal family???
You don't get ears that big and teeth that long unless you cross an elephant with a badger!
Seriously, money that could help the poor become educated was put towards the biggest derp study in history.  Farking morons!
 
2013-07-06 09:00:02 PM

Barfmaker: I thought we already knew this...didn't we already know this?


Some quarters apparently are more aware than others on this issue.

/In before offended southerners railing against unfair stereotypes and what not.
 
2013-07-06 09:22:01 PM

quatchi: Barfmaker: I thought we already knew this...didn't we already know this?

Some quarters apparently are more aware than others on this issue.

/In before offended southerners railing against unfair stereotypes and what not.


My ex-husband and I couldn't stop ourselves from asking if the county clerk needed proof that we were related by blood before getting married.

/no, that's not the typo you're looking for
 
2013-07-06 09:22:38 PM

Peki: quatchi: Barfmaker: I thought we already knew this...didn't we already know this?

Some quarters apparently are more aware than others on this issue.

/In before offended southerners railing against unfair stereotypes and what not.

My ex-husband and I couldn't stop ourselves from asking if the county clerk needed proof that we were related by blood before getting married.

/no, that's not the typo you're looking for


Gr. Important fact: I got married in Arkansas.
 
2013-07-06 10:33:57 PM

Peki: My ex-husband and I couldn't stop ourselves from asking if the county clerk needed proof that we were related by blood before getting married.


LOL. You're terrible! The good type of terrible. Sounds like sommat I might do, You know, except for the whole 'getting married' part.
 
2013-07-06 10:54:26 PM
Another article that likes to play with statistical reporting.
 
2013-07-06 10:56:01 PM
img1.imagilive.com
 
2013-07-06 10:56:34 PM
www.hearth.com

Obligatory
 
2013-07-06 10:56:37 PM
Study is about a British town with a Pakistani community. Better make fun of the American South.
 
2013-07-06 10:56:56 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-06 10:57:11 PM
I thought we called it the "Derp South" now
 
2013-07-06 10:57:12 PM
Maeby?
 
2013-07-06 10:59:04 PM
I think humanity is in for a huge leap forward soon, just because we are able to mix our genes globally.  It wasn't until air travel that it was really possible for some Spanish playa to vacation in Indonesia, dump a few gallons of DNA in the local lasses, and then jet home a week later.  If the best genes from both parents tend to win out, intermixing can only strengthen the herd.
 
2013-07-06 11:00:13 PM
I thought this has been known since like forever.
 
2013-07-06 11:00:30 PM
Worse news for Muslims.
 
2013-07-06 11:01:46 PM

Ambitwistor: [img1.imagilive.com image 298x380]


Yep. They called him "Charles the Hexed."
 
2013-07-06 11:03:49 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
Whew, good thing mom and dad weren't cousins...
 
2013-07-06 11:04:08 PM
The Bush Family has no comment.
 
2013-07-06 11:05:59 PM

jonny_q: Better make fun of the American South.


Agreed.
 
2013-07-06 11:07:01 PM
Bad news for Pennsyltucky, too.
 
2013-07-06 11:08:09 PM
Jebediah Springfield: People, our search is over! On this site we shall build a new town where we can worship freely, govern justly, and grow vast fields of hemp for making rope and blankets.

Shelbyville Manhattan: Yes! And marry our cousins.

Jebediah Springfield: I was- wha... what are you talking about, Shelbyville? Why would we want to marry our cousins?

Shelbyville Manhattan: Because they're so attractive. I... I thought that was the whole point of this journey.
 
2013-07-06 11:12:38 PM
I was kind of shocked when I found out New York allows first cousins to marry.

As do 18 other states. What's up with that.
 
2013-07-06 11:13:09 PM
"The most common problem that mothers over 40 have during pregnancy is the possibility of chromosomal malformations such as downs syndrome. A mother who is in her twenties has a one in 1,500 chance of having a baby with a condition such as downs syndrome. However, in a mother who is over 40 years of age this risk is higher. The potential of a mother over 40 having a baby is raised to one out of every 50, which is a high number considering just 10 or 20 years earlier, the risk was rather low."

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-risks-having-baby-after-40-5892530.htm l


In other news, having children past age 40 also increases the odds significantly of abnormalities and syndromes, but I would never make law that mothers over age 40 shouldn't be allowed to have children.

With regards to marrying cousins, the heart wants what the heart wants I always say.

/didn't marry a cousin
 
2013-07-06 11:14:04 PM
www.motherjones.com
 
2013-07-06 11:14:52 PM
They ran out of Goo Goo Clusters?

/ DRTFA
 
2013-07-06 11:18:50 PM
womanstats.org
 
2013-07-06 11:24:09 PM
I thought I read somewhere (probably here) that second or third cousins had the best genetic odds. Something about close enough for X, but different enough for Y. Or did I just make that up?

/no hot cousins
 
2013-07-06 11:24:10 PM
The lack of new genetic into any group is dangerous. It's not specifically cousin couples that have a higher risk. It's  generationsof cousin couples that have a higher risk.
 
2013-07-06 11:26:29 PM

ladyfortuna: I was kind of shocked when I found out New York allows first cousins to marry.

As do 18 other states. What's up with that.


What's wrong with that?
 
2013-07-06 11:29:28 PM
Y'know, I really wish they'd specify first cousin. Second is still too close for comfort. Third is borderline. But once you get to fourth... eh. Whatever.

/Would not marry any sort of cousin
//Knowingly
///Slashies
 
2013-07-06 11:29:39 PM
Little known fact:  The official motto of the Confederate States of America was "If you can't keep it in your pants, keep it in your family."
 
2013-07-06 11:29:59 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-06 11:32:09 PM
So... are there a lot of (how should I say it?), "Count-to-Potato-Pakis" out there?
 
2013-07-06 11:32:13 PM
Aside from the ignorant remarks already provided and this study, the problem is not cousin marriages per se. The occasional cousin (first or any) marriage is not a genetic problem. And if there is no defect to pass on, twice zero is zero. So much for the headline. It is the constant generation after generation of close marriages that magnify any genetic anomaly. The study population seems to be one of many generations of close relative marriage. In other words, they have reproduced much like the royalty of Europe, i.e. closed communities. Hapsburg chin anyone? Porphyria perhaps? So shove your Southern jokes where the sun don't shine.
 
2013-07-06 11:35:27 PM

len470: Aside from the ignorant remarks already provided and this study, the problem is not cousin marriages per se. The occasional cousin (first or any) marriage is not a genetic problem. And if there is no defect to pass on, twice zero is zero. So much for the headline. It is the constant generation after generation of close marriages that magnify any genetic anomaly. The study population seems to be one of many generations of close relative marriage. In other words, they have reproduced much like the royalty of Europe, i.e. closed communities. Hapsburg chin anyone? Porphyria perhaps? So shove your Southern jokes where the sun don't shine.


And how many people are completely and totally devoid of genes with a defect?
 
2013-07-06 11:35:52 PM
i468.photobucket.com
Well [thank you] Mister Fancy Pants Ric Romero!
 
2013-07-06 11:38:40 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Maeby?


Call me.
 
2013-07-06 11:40:30 PM

ladyfortuna: I was kind of shocked when I found out New York allows first cousins to marry.

As do 18 other states. What's up with that.


Like TFA says, it doesn't increase the risk of birth defects significantly and the overall risk is quite low.   People act as if such a child is guaranteed to be a monster.  It's far from so.

Besides, New York has very liberal abortion laws.
 
2013-07-06 11:46:51 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: Obligatory


Perfect! Lol
 
2013-07-06 11:48:43 PM
What a myth. Us southerners only play doctor with our cousins before puberty.  After puberty hits, we just try to get in the pants of our friends' younger sisters, and the neighborhood tomboy.
 
2013-07-06 11:48:57 PM

len470: Hapsburg chin anyone?


If they had kept it in the family, that wouldn't have been a problem. Didn't they get it from the Polish Piasts?
 
2013-07-06 11:49:33 PM
MOCK26: And how many people are completely and totally devoid of genes with a defect?


Non Sequitur, Sirrah. Defect that matters, defect that takes five generations to manifest, defect that can be passed on. Basically the answer to your reposte is "so what?"    Ignoratio elenchi.
 
2013-07-06 11:49:42 PM
Yes, Deep South states like New Jersey, Connecticut, Alaska...

www.themuslimtimes.org
 
2013-07-06 11:50:24 PM

SBinRR: our cousins before puberty.  After puberty hits, we just try to get in the pants of our friends' younger sisters, and the neighborhood tomboy.


You are assuming that the three words aren't describing the same people.
 
2013-07-06 11:51:13 PM

Canton: Y'know, I really wish they'd specify first cousin. Second is still too close for comfort. Third is borderline. But once you get to fourth... eh. Whatever.

/Would not marry any sort of cousin
//Knowingly
///Slashies


There is an Icelandic study that says 3rd cousins are actually less prone to inbreeding defects than people even less related than that.
 
2013-07-06 11:56:33 PM

GGracie: No farking shiat!!!
Have you seen the royal family???
You don't get ears that big and teeth that long unless you cross an elephant with a badger!
Seriously, money that could help the poor become educated was put towards the biggest derp study in history.  Farking morons!


Hello, what do you do? You're a plumber? What on earth is that?
 
2013-07-06 11:56:45 PM

Oldiron_79: Canton: Y'know, I really wish they'd specify first cousin. Second is still too close for comfort. Third is borderline. But once you get to fourth... eh. Whatever.

/Would not marry any sort of cousin
//Knowingly
///Slashies

There is an Icelandic study that says 3rd cousins are actually less prone to inbreeding defects than people even less related than that.




That may be what I was referring to upthread. Wasn't it a green light on here?
 
2013-07-06 11:57:07 PM

jonny_q: Study is about a British town with a Pakistani community. Better make fun of the American South.


Gotta blame someone
 
2013-07-06 11:59:16 PM
Larry the Cable Guy slept with his forth cousin right after high school.

He slept with the first three during high school.
 
2013-07-06 11:59:43 PM
Bad news for folks in the Deep South

You mean aside from the fact that they're in the Deep South?
 
2013-07-07 12:02:23 AM

QuesoDelicioso: Bad news for Pennsyltucky, too.


Hold on just a gosh dangit minute!
We have I-80 and I-81 running thru here
There is a plentiful varied mix of DNA around our truck stops
 
2013-07-07 12:03:02 AM

CruJones: Oldiron_79: Canton: Y'know, I really wish they'd specify first cousin. Second is still too close for comfort. Third is borderline. But once you get to fourth... eh. Whatever.

/Would not marry any sort of cousin
//Knowingly
///Slashies

There is an Icelandic study that says 3rd cousins are actually less prone to inbreeding defects than people even less related than that.



That may be what I was referring to upthread. Wasn't it a green light on here?


Didnt see your earlier post till after your reply.

/I dont even know any of my 3rd cousins to know if any of them are hot.
//have some 1st and 2nd cousins that if not related would hit it.
 
2013-07-07 12:04:39 AM
As has been said up thread, first cousin marriages provide enough genetic variety that they aren't a problem - so long as they don't become habitual.

Double cousins, OTOH, are nearly as bad as siblings when it comes to lack of genetic variety. (This is two siblings marrying two siblings, and their offspring marrying/producing offspring)

/understand the statistics of sexual reproduction
 
2013-07-07 12:05:40 AM

Ambitwistor: [img1.imagilive.com image 298x380]


i41.tinypic.com

Here's the family tree of Charles II of Spain.  It's an interesting story, for those who haven't seen this before.

If you look, you'll note multiple cases of uncles marrying nieces, and as each generation goes by, they become more and more inbred.  And here's how he turned out:

The Habsburg King Charles II of Spain was sadly degenerated with an enormous misshapen head. His Habsburg jaw stood so much out that his two rows of teeth could not meet; he was unable to chew. His tongue was so large that he was barely able to speak. His intellect was similarly disabled. His brief life consisted chiefly of a passage from prolonged infancy to premature senility. Charles' family was anxious only to prolong his days and thought little about his education, so that he could barely read or write.
 
2013-07-07 12:07:14 AM
This is pretty much the long term strategy of the GOP. They don't have much else.
 
2013-07-07 12:07:58 AM
Sounds like this is more of a problem for Pakistanis.
 
2013-07-07 12:08:33 AM

Oldiron_79: There is an Icelandic study that says 3rd cousins are actually less prone to inbreeding defects than people even less related than that.


Elizabeth II and Prince Philip are second cousins once removed, through Christian IX of Denmark, and also level third cousins, through Queen Victoria.  See ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha for how that turned out.
 
2013-07-07 12:16:10 AM
Is there a lamest headline of the year award? Thanks to subby, I have my vote figured out!
 
2013-07-07 12:16:56 AM

GGracie: No farking shiat!!!
Have you seen the royal family???
You don't get ears that big and teeth that long unless you cross an elephant with a badger!
Seriously, money that could help the poor become educated was put towards the biggest derp study in history.  Farking morons!


To be fair though, honey-badger just don't give a shiat.
 
2013-07-07 12:17:00 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Oldiron_79: There is an Icelandic study that says 3rd cousins are actually less prone to inbreeding defects than people even less related than that.

Elizabeth II and Prince Philip are second cousins once removed, through Christian IX of Denmark, and also level third cousins, through Queen Victoria.  See ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha for how that turned out.


Well in all fairness Iceland has such a small gene pool that people who are presumably unrelated may be related further back.
 
2013-07-07 12:20:11 AM

2chris2: Ambitwistor: [img1.imagilive.com image 298x380]

[i41.tinypic.com image 500x385]

Here's the family tree of Charles II of Spain.  It's an interesting story, for those who haven't seen this before.

If you look, you'll note multiple cases of uncles marrying nieces, and as each generation goes by, they become more and more inbred.  And here's how he turned out:

The Habsburg King Charles II of Spain was sadly degenerated with an enormous misshapen head. His Habsburg jaw stood so much out that his two rows of teeth could not meet; he was unable to chew. His tongue was so large that he was barely able to speak. His intellect was similarly disabled. His brief life consisted chiefly of a passage from prolonged infancy to premature senility. Charles' family was anxious only to prolong his days and thought little about his education, so that he could barely read or write.


He died at 38 - while not a long life, it was hardly brief.  If anything, he was famous for not dying, because everyone in Europe was basically waiting for him to do so to start the War of Spanish Succession.  He was the watched pot of Europe in the 1600s
 
2013-07-07 12:30:20 AM
 
2013-07-07 12:33:12 AM

SnipDaddyDad: You racist farkers.  http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/t2/race_distribution.html


Oh lawdy
 
2013-07-07 12:34:07 AM

lack of warmth: Larry the Cable Guy slept with his forth cousin right after high school.

He slept with the first three during high school.


Lord I apologize.
 
2013-07-07 12:36:18 AM
So instead of 0.000023% it's 0.000046%?  Ooooo, scary.
 
2013-07-07 12:41:02 AM
you suck subby.  You're a farking bigot.
 
2013-07-07 12:54:58 AM
More like the midwest than the South.   West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio.   A lot more of that type of thing up there than anywhere in the South.
 
2013-07-07 01:10:08 AM
When I read the headline I thought the article would be about global warming and the eventual Northward migration of Floridians to Georgia and Alabama.
 
2013-07-07 01:12:13 AM

ArcadianRefugee: So instead of 0.000023% it's 0.000046%?  Ooooo, scary.


6% instead of 3%, apparently. So, 1 out of 15 or so.

I know you weren't being serious, but a jump from one in thirty to one in fifteen is indeed scarier than a jump from one in five million to one in two million.
 
2013-07-07 01:15:06 AM

Barfmaker: I thought we already knew this...didn't we already know this?


I was under that impression as well.

Here, like this:

i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-07 01:17:38 AM

red5ish: When I read the headline I thought the article would be about global warming and the eventual Northward migration of Floridians to Georgia and Alabama.


Bugs Bunny already came up with the plan for how to deal with FL
 
2013-07-07 01:21:32 AM
Yeah, keep using us as your Judas Goat. Cos y'all are sooooo civilized up there in yankee land.
 
2013-07-07 01:23:05 AM

Oldiron_79: I thought this has been known since like forever.


My pakistani buddy said 'whats wrong with marrying your cousin' and refused to believe it resulted in a higher rate of defects..   He said it was some garbage tossed around to be culturally bigoted.

Then again, he snaps your pencil when he starts losing a debate and gets flustered.
 
2013-07-07 01:26:53 AM
i43.tinypic.com

I could relate to this episode. When you only see cousins once or twice a year, they don't seem like relatives. You have to be around them much more often for the Westermarck effect to kick in.
 
2013-07-07 01:33:22 AM
Pair of CSBs:

1) My maternal grandmother's grandparents were cousins.  Once we figured that out, all the duplicate names in the family tree suddenly made a lot more sense.  We just figured English people in the 1800s were really uncreative namers.

2) My PhD research group had a Lebanese undergrad honours student who was going back home after graduating to marry her cousin.  Apparently the boy's mother had called dibs on her when she was born.
 
2013-07-07 01:35:43 AM

Nutsac_Jim: Oldiron_79: I thought this has been known since like forever.

My pakistani buddy said 'whats wrong with marrying your cousin' and refused to believe it resulted in a higher rate of defects..   He said it was some garbage tossed around to be culturally bigoted.

Then again, he snaps your pencil when he starts losing a debate and gets flustered.


Well in all fairness you have to breed in for more than 1 generation to have problems at the cousin level.

The problem is when you consider cousin farking ok most people end up with ancestors who was cousins.
 
2013-07-07 01:41:11 AM

Repo Man: [i43.tinypic.com image 400x300]

I could relate to this episode. When you only see cousins once or twice a year, they don't seem like relatives. You have to be around them much more often for the Westermarck effect to kick in.


I only ever saw my cousins say five times before we started having funerals close together as the elderly relatives died, and I still would never think of them romantically. They're fraternal twins and the girl is actually gorgeous, her brother is kind of hipster-looking but that's not it, it's just way too close to the tree for me.

/Dad was adopted in Indiana
//I'll never date anyone from Indiana just in case...
 
2013-07-07 01:42:49 AM

Oldiron_79: I thought this has been known since like forever.


It has. And like a lot of other folk knowledge, it's completely wrong.
 
2013-07-07 01:48:01 AM

Wulfman: [www.motherjones.com image 630x472]


/slings mud
I would just like to point out that Kentucky is NOT marked on this map. As you can see, the real hillbilly inbreds are in Tennessee.
/end mudslinging
 
2013-07-07 02:09:50 AM

Solid Muldoon: Yeah, keep using us as your Judas Goat. Cos y'all are sooooo civilized up there in yankee land.


Scapegoat.  To use the South as a Judas Goat, the rest of the country would have to be using the South as an example to some third party of why sister-farking was good for the third party.  Kind of missed the part where the rest of the country actively tries to present the South's sexual proclivities for ersatz cloning as the gold standard.
 
2013-07-07 02:16:59 AM
Eh, I've seen studies showing it goes from 1.5% to 2.5% with cousins. Bfd.

People with huntingtons or dwarfism are still allowed to procreate and nobody cares about that.
 
2013-07-07 02:17:49 AM

len470: MOCK26: And how many people are completely and totally devoid of genes with a defect?


Non Sequitur, Sirrah. Defect that matters, defect that takes five generations to manifest, defect that can be passed on. Basically the answer to your reposte is "so what?"    Ignoratio elenchi.


Just admit it, you want to fark you sister, right?
 
2013-07-07 02:26:04 AM
So, Darwined?
 
2013-07-07 02:55:37 AM
I grew up in western PA and I live now in the deepest part of the Deep South now. I deeply resent  submitter's implication that southerners can hold a candle to my native Appalachia when it comes to cousin-farking.

Down here there are no mountains, and mountains are what makes it too goddamn much work to go fark someone you're not already related to.

Besides, it's not all bad. Sure, I don't clot so well, but I can taste purple and if you're a redhead I can hear your thoughts.
 
2013-07-07 03:20:55 AM
i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-07 04:45:45 AM

Bondith: Pair of CSBs:

1) My maternal grandmother's grandparents were cousins.  Once we figured that out, all the duplicate names in the family tree suddenly made a lot more sense.  We just figured English people in the 1800s were really uncreative namers.

2) My PhD research group had a Lebanese undergrad honours student who was going back home after graduating to marry her cousin.  Apparently the boy's mother had called dibs on her when she was born.


He's going to be so disappointed to find out she plays for the other team.

/Here all week. Tip your waitress.
 
2013-07-07 05:36:18 AM
So  to summarize:

Congenital defect risk:
second cousins and up: ~2%
first cousins :~4%
Pakistani immigrants (or royality in the olden times) doing it over many generations: OMGWTFBBQ?
Subby not having the least bit of a clue about where in the US first cousins are allowed to wed (hint: it's not in the Deep South).

/knowing how to use birth control priceless
//residental cousin "farker"
 
2013-07-07 05:46:19 AM
I know you weren't being serious, but a jump from one in thirty to one in fifteen is indeed scarier than a jump from one in five million to one in two million.

If we're talking societally and not individually here this only matters if non cousin couples and cousin couples breed in equvivalent numbers, which is not happening and wouldn't even happen without the modern social taboo (That's like: OMG once we tolerate the gays everybody will be gay). Even in Japan where cousin couples are still socially acceptable or even prefered the rate doesn't get over 1:3 IIRC.
 
2013-07-07 06:10:18 AM

Ambitwistor: [img1.imagilive.com image 298x380]


of SALESMEN!
 
2013-07-07 06:13:06 AM
Sorry for the triple but holy shiat that Wulfman map is total crap. It might accurately show the rates of first cousin marriages all over the world but the legality is totaly wrong. Thats the accurte map from Wikipedia:

Blue: legal
Orange: depending on religion/territory
Red: illegal
Deep Red: criminal
Grey: no data

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-07 06:18:32 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-07 06:24:23 AM

Mock26: len470: Aside from the ignorant remarks already provided and this study, the problem is not cousin marriages per se. The occasional cousin (first or any) marriage is not a genetic problem. And if there is no defect to pass on, twice zero is zero. So much for the headline. It is the constant generation after generation of close marriages that magnify any genetic anomaly. The study population seems to be one of many generations of close relative marriage. In other words, they have reproduced much like the royalty of Europe, i.e. closed communities. Hapsburg chin anyone? Porphyria perhaps? So shove your Southern jokes where the sun don't shine.

And how many people are completely and totally devoid of genes with a defect?

 
2013-07-07 07:35:06 AM
I would post a damn popcorn eating GIF here, but I'm too lazy and tired tonight.  This thread has been frightening and funny at the same time.  Thanks!
 
2013-07-07 07:36:04 AM

Europos: So  to summarize:

Congenital defect risk:
second cousins and up: ~2%
first cousins :~4%
Pakistani immigrants (or royality in the olden times) doing it over many generations: OMGWTFBBQ?
Subby not having the least bit of a clue about where in the US first cousins are allowed to wed (hint: it's not in the Deep South).

/knowing how to use birth control priceless
//residental cousin "farker"


Why do you think they had to forbid it in the south?
 
2013-07-07 07:46:18 AM
Why do you think they had to forbid it in the south?

Because of pearl-clutching derpists like you?

Nah, for the most part I think they freaked out because of some "Christian" sects popping up that made underage cousin diddling mandatory IIRC.
 
2013-07-07 07:58:31 AM

ladyfortuna: I was kind of shocked when I found out New York allows first cousins to marry.

As do 18 other states. What's up with that.


Came here to say this.  The "only in the south" thing gets old after a while.  Maybe more cousins do marry in the south, but the laws i the south are in some cases more restrictive than elsewhere in the US.
 
2013-07-07 08:15:59 AM

Bondith: Pair of CSBs:

1) My maternal grandmother's grandparents were cousins.  Once we figured that out, all the duplicate names in the family tree suddenly made a lot more sense.  We just figured English people in the 1800s were really uncreative namers.

2) My PhD research group had a Lebanese undergrad honours student who was going back home after graduating to marry her cousin.  Apparently the boy's mother had called dibs on her when she was born.


Back when I was a kid, our youth director was his wife's second husband.  She had kids with both marriages and never had to change her name.  Her maiden and both married names were all Brown.  As far as I know she wasn't related to either husbands.  I am sure this could play out with the name Smith as well.  Schmidt not so much, because there is some spelling differences out there.  Schmidt is a common name in Saginaw county, MI.
 
2013-07-07 08:24:20 AM

CruJones: Oldiron_79:
There is an Icelandic study that says 3rd cousins are actually less prone to inbreeding defects than people even less related than that.

That may be what I was referring to upthread. Wasn't it a green light on here?


I've definitely read some stories on it. I can't remember the specifics, but something about compatibility or something? It pretty much countered the whole "hybrid vigor" thing. It doesn't make for good facebook posts though.
 
2013-07-07 08:41:51 AM
I have a second cousin named Allison who I didn't see from the time I was a toddler until my grandpa's funeral when I was 21. She is very sexy. I would make love to her with no qualms.
 
2013-07-07 10:38:59 AM

Europos: I know you weren't being serious, but a jump from one in thirty to one in fifteen is indeed scarier than a jump from one in five million to one in two million.

If we're talking societally and not individually here this only matters if non cousin couples and cousin couples breed in equvivalent numbers, which is not happening and wouldn't even happen without the modern social taboo (That's like: OMG once we tolerate the gays everybody will be gay). Even in Japan where cousin couples are still socially acceptable or even prefered the rate doesn't get over 1:3 IIRC.


Study finds both cousin marriage and older mothers double risk of birth defects

"Marriage between first cousins can more than double the risk of giving birth to a baby with a congenital anomaly (eg, heart and lung defects, Down syndrome), although the absolute risk is low, according to a multiethnic study of more than 11300 babies from the city of Bradford in the UK, published in The Lancet."

A similar but expected increased risk in older mothers (over 34 years of age) was seen among white British women.

"It is important to note that the absolute increase in risk is small (from 3% to 6%), meaning that only a small minority of babies born to couples who are blood relatives or older mothers (older White British mums have an increase in risk from 2% to 4%) will develop a congenital anomaly"**, cautions lead author Eamonn Sheridan from the University of Leeds in the UK.
 
2013-07-07 10:48:40 AM
I would say this has more occurance in rural communities everywhere.  Isolation leads to interbreeding.  The south thing is just a result of it being a more rural environment (or used to be and maybe that was just a stereotype too).  Mobility has led to a more diverse gene pool everywhere.  Lighten up folks.  This is America, we're all mutts.
 
2013-07-07 11:24:31 AM
This farking article has come out every 12 years for the LAST TWO HUNDRED YEARS...
 
2013-07-07 11:27:42 AM

Europos: Sorry for the triple but holy shiat that Wulfman map is total crap. It might accurately show the rates of first cousin marriages all over the world but the legality is totaly wrong. Thats the accurte map from Wikipedia:

Blue: legal
Orange: depending on religion/territory
Red: illegal
Deep Red: criminal
Grey: no data

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x400]



Yeah, I wrote a quick blurb noting that my second map conflicted with my first, and just commenting that there is a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation about what's legal, what's acceptable, what's enforced, and what's dangerous.  I guess I accidentally cut the text when I posted the map - I didn't notice that last night.  I found the map you are talking about a while back when I was looking for incidence rates.
 
2013-07-07 11:32:54 AM
One of my husband's colleagues is Cambodian and married to his first cousin, though he insists they are not that closely related because the connection is on his mother's side.

Their kids are gorgeous and brilliant - maybe he's onto something.
 
2013-07-07 12:12:13 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now


An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...
 
2013-07-07 12:21:39 PM
Yeah, Wolfman, that first map is probably allright for the incidences rates. The legal explanations are rather mind-boggling, though. "Illegal but not enforced" for middle Europe. Whut? (Maybe from a women studies site that probably looks first and foremost at forced or coerced marriages between first cousins in Islamic subcultures?)

It also looks re legality like the Wiki map isn't quite up to date either, because I'm pretty sure Florida made first cousin marriage illegal relatively recently, just like Texas (both because of some religious enclave scandal).
 
2013-07-07 12:43:45 PM

Europos: Yeah, Wolfman, that first map is probably allright for the incidences rates. The legal explanations are rather mind-boggling, though. "Illegal but not enforced" for middle Europe. Whut? (Maybe from a women studies site that probably looks first and foremost at forced or coerced marriages between first cousins in Islamic subcultures?)

It also looks re legality like the Wiki map isn't quite up to date either, because I'm pretty sure Florida made first cousin marriage illegal relatively recently, just like Texas (both because of some religious enclave scandal).


"Illegal but not enforced" applies in a lot of places in interesting ways. In NJ for example, consensual adult incest is technically illegal, but the state doesn't prosecute any cases. In most of Western Europe it's illegal but permitted, in Sweden you can have sex with your half-siblings, and in France and Belgium, it's actually legal to marry your sister.
 
2013-07-07 01:38:14 PM

happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...


I have lived in many parts of the nation and while there are idiots everywhere the south deserves all the crap it gets.

The south has more poverty:

www.cdc.gov

Is more illiterate:

(Low literacy rate in the US):
www.fhwa.dot.gov

Is more obese:

www.maxmasnick.com


And votes "derp"

e.huffpost.com


"Derp South" is accurate.
 
2013-07-07 02:13:36 PM
Q:  What do you call a girl from Alabama who can outrun her brothers?

A:  A virgin.

We have often joked that family trees here in Alabama are palm trees - pines at best.

My grandparents were first cousins (he stepped in as 2nd husband after her first husband was killed in logging accident).  Of their 10 children, 3 died before age two and one at 19.  Definitely had odds against them.

Two generations later, approx. 30 grandkids in my generation with no birth defects or early mortality.  Hopefully, we've cleaned up the gene pool a bit.
 
2013-07-07 02:20:48 PM

jst3p: happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...

I have lived in many parts of the nation and while there are idiots everywhere the south deserves all the crap it gets.

The south has more poverty:

[www.cdc.gov image 450x359]

Is more illiterate:

(Low literacy rate in the US):
[www.fhwa.dot.gov image 576x405]

Is more obese:

[www.maxmasnick.com image 850x538]


And votes "derp"

[e.huffpost.com image 640x391]


"Derp South" is accurate.


Another idiot cocksucker ID'd.
 
2013-07-07 02:41:36 PM
In most of Western Europe it's illegal but permitted.

Erm? Do you have any law citations for this? Especially for the "most" part. I'don't know of a single law in west or middle Europe that does cover first cousins (east Europe is another ballpark).

For Germany it's totally legal as only parents, siblings and half-siblings are forbidden/criminal. We of course even have very special laws and bureaucracy for cousin marriage (Verwandtenehe) because/weil muss ja alles seine Ordung haben. ^^
 
2013-07-07 03:14:40 PM

happydude45: jst3p: happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...

I have lived in many parts of the nation and while there are idiots everywhere the south deserves all the crap it gets.

The south has more poverty:

[www.cdc.gov image 450x359]

Is more illiterate:

(Low literacy rate in the US):
[www.fhwa.dot.gov image 576x405]

Is more obese:

[www.maxmasnick.com image 850x538]


And votes "derp"

[e.huffpost.com image 640x391]


"Derp South" is accurate.

Another idiot cocksucker ID'd.




So, your definition of an "idiot cocksucker" (telling that you think homosexuality is bad) is someone who point out facts that you do not like?
 
2013-07-07 03:27:44 PM

Repo Man: happydude45: jst3p: happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...

I have lived in many parts of the nation and while there are idiots everywhere the south deserves all the crap it gets.

The south has more poverty:

[www.cdc.gov image 450x359]

Is more illiterate:

(Low literacy rate in the US):
[www.fhwa.dot.gov image 576x405]

Is more obese:

[www.maxmasnick.com image 850x538]


And votes "derp"

[e.huffpost.com image 640x391]


"Derp South" is accurate.

Another idiot cocksucker ID'd.

So, your definition of an "idiot cocksucker" (telling that you think homosexuality is bad) is someone who point out facts that you do not like?


He also seems seems obsessed with men sucking cock.
 
2013-07-07 03:48:45 PM

Europos: In most of Western Europe it's illegal but permitted.

Erm? Do you have any law citations for this? Especially for the "most" part. I'don't know of a single law in west or middle Europe that does cover first cousins (east Europe is another ballpark).

For Germany it's totally legal as only parents, siblings and half-siblings are forbidden/criminal. We of course even have very special laws and bureaucracy for cousin marriage (Verwandtenehe) because/weil muss ja alles seine Ordung haben. ^^


Sorry, I was talking about incest in general, not "cousin incest" in particular. The point is, there's a lot of ambiguity from culture to culture about where lines are drawn and what rules are lip service.

The prevailing folk wisdom that incest causes birth defects, and that that's where the taboo comes from is pretty much bunk.
 
2013-07-07 04:05:22 PM
This would explain Honey Boo Boo Baby's extra thumb.
 
2013-07-07 04:18:42 PM
In Kentucky, you can end up blue.
 
2013-07-07 05:15:02 PM

happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...


I was born in North Carolina.
Over half my relatives still live in North Carolina.
Look at the local politics of North Carolina over the last ten years.
Look at the local politics of many of the surrounding states over the last ten years.
Abortion rights, women's rights, gay rights, voting rights, on all these they are wrong.
Nationally some may be leaning purple or even blue, but locally they are very, very red.

It is the Derp South.
/so glad my parents moved when I was young
 
2013-07-07 07:39:35 PM
Hmm. I'd wondered why so many extra-limbed babies were born in Pakistan/India.

Pakistan


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