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2013-07-07 08:24:20 AM

CruJones: Oldiron_79:
There is an Icelandic study that says 3rd cousins are actually less prone to inbreeding defects than people even less related than that.

That may be what I was referring to upthread. Wasn't it a green light on here?


I've definitely read some stories on it. I can't remember the specifics, but something about compatibility or something? It pretty much countered the whole "hybrid vigor" thing. It doesn't make for good facebook posts though.
 
2013-07-07 08:41:51 AM
I have a second cousin named Allison who I didn't see from the time I was a toddler until my grandpa's funeral when I was 21. She is very sexy. I would make love to her with no qualms.
 
2013-07-07 10:38:59 AM

Europos: I know you weren't being serious, but a jump from one in thirty to one in fifteen is indeed scarier than a jump from one in five million to one in two million.

If we're talking societally and not individually here this only matters if non cousin couples and cousin couples breed in equvivalent numbers, which is not happening and wouldn't even happen without the modern social taboo (That's like: OMG once we tolerate the gays everybody will be gay). Even in Japan where cousin couples are still socially acceptable or even prefered the rate doesn't get over 1:3 IIRC.


Study finds both cousin marriage and older mothers double risk of birth defects

"Marriage between first cousins can more than double the risk of giving birth to a baby with a congenital anomaly (eg, heart and lung defects, Down syndrome), although the absolute risk is low, according to a multiethnic study of more than 11300 babies from the city of Bradford in the UK, published in The Lancet."

A similar but expected increased risk in older mothers (over 34 years of age) was seen among white British women.

"It is important to note that the absolute increase in risk is small (from 3% to 6%), meaning that only a small minority of babies born to couples who are blood relatives or older mothers (older White British mums have an increase in risk from 2% to 4%) will develop a congenital anomaly"**, cautions lead author Eamonn Sheridan from the University of Leeds in the UK.
 
2013-07-07 10:48:40 AM
I would say this has more occurance in rural communities everywhere.  Isolation leads to interbreeding.  The south thing is just a result of it being a more rural environment (or used to be and maybe that was just a stereotype too).  Mobility has led to a more diverse gene pool everywhere.  Lighten up folks.  This is America, we're all mutts.
 
2013-07-07 11:24:31 AM
This farking article has come out every 12 years for the LAST TWO HUNDRED YEARS...
 
2013-07-07 11:27:42 AM

Europos: Sorry for the triple but holy shiat that Wulfman map is total crap. It might accurately show the rates of first cousin marriages all over the world but the legality is totaly wrong. Thats the accurte map from Wikipedia:

Blue: legal
Orange: depending on religion/territory
Red: illegal
Deep Red: criminal
Grey: no data

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x400]



Yeah, I wrote a quick blurb noting that my second map conflicted with my first, and just commenting that there is a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation about what's legal, what's acceptable, what's enforced, and what's dangerous.  I guess I accidentally cut the text when I posted the map - I didn't notice that last night.  I found the map you are talking about a while back when I was looking for incidence rates.
 
2013-07-07 11:32:54 AM
One of my husband's colleagues is Cambodian and married to his first cousin, though he insists they are not that closely related because the connection is on his mother's side.

Their kids are gorgeous and brilliant - maybe he's onto something.
 
2013-07-07 12:12:13 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now


An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...
 
2013-07-07 12:21:39 PM
Yeah, Wolfman, that first map is probably allright for the incidences rates. The legal explanations are rather mind-boggling, though. "Illegal but not enforced" for middle Europe. Whut? (Maybe from a women studies site that probably looks first and foremost at forced or coerced marriages between first cousins in Islamic subcultures?)

It also looks re legality like the Wiki map isn't quite up to date either, because I'm pretty sure Florida made first cousin marriage illegal relatively recently, just like Texas (both because of some religious enclave scandal).
 
2013-07-07 12:43:45 PM

Europos: Yeah, Wolfman, that first map is probably allright for the incidences rates. The legal explanations are rather mind-boggling, though. "Illegal but not enforced" for middle Europe. Whut? (Maybe from a women studies site that probably looks first and foremost at forced or coerced marriages between first cousins in Islamic subcultures?)

It also looks re legality like the Wiki map isn't quite up to date either, because I'm pretty sure Florida made first cousin marriage illegal relatively recently, just like Texas (both because of some religious enclave scandal).


"Illegal but not enforced" applies in a lot of places in interesting ways. In NJ for example, consensual adult incest is technically illegal, but the state doesn't prosecute any cases. In most of Western Europe it's illegal but permitted, in Sweden you can have sex with your half-siblings, and in France and Belgium, it's actually legal to marry your sister.
 
2013-07-07 01:38:14 PM

happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...


I have lived in many parts of the nation and while there are idiots everywhere the south deserves all the crap it gets.

The south has more poverty:

www.cdc.gov

Is more illiterate:

(Low literacy rate in the US):
www.fhwa.dot.gov

Is more obese:

www.maxmasnick.com


And votes "derp"

e.huffpost.com


"Derp South" is accurate.
 
2013-07-07 02:13:36 PM
Q:  What do you call a girl from Alabama who can outrun her brothers?

A:  A virgin.

We have often joked that family trees here in Alabama are palm trees - pines at best.

My grandparents were first cousins (he stepped in as 2nd husband after her first husband was killed in logging accident).  Of their 10 children, 3 died before age two and one at 19.  Definitely had odds against them.

Two generations later, approx. 30 grandkids in my generation with no birth defects or early mortality.  Hopefully, we've cleaned up the gene pool a bit.
 
2013-07-07 02:20:48 PM

jst3p: happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...

I have lived in many parts of the nation and while there are idiots everywhere the south deserves all the crap it gets.

The south has more poverty:

[www.cdc.gov image 450x359]

Is more illiterate:

(Low literacy rate in the US):
[www.fhwa.dot.gov image 576x405]

Is more obese:

[www.maxmasnick.com image 850x538]


And votes "derp"

[e.huffpost.com image 640x391]


"Derp South" is accurate.


Another idiot cocksucker ID'd.
 
2013-07-07 02:41:36 PM
In most of Western Europe it's illegal but permitted.

Erm? Do you have any law citations for this? Especially for the "most" part. I'don't know of a single law in west or middle Europe that does cover first cousins (east Europe is another ballpark).

For Germany it's totally legal as only parents, siblings and half-siblings are forbidden/criminal. We of course even have very special laws and bureaucracy for cousin marriage (Verwandtenehe) because/weil muss ja alles seine Ordung haben. ^^
 
2013-07-07 03:14:40 PM

happydude45: jst3p: happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...

I have lived in many parts of the nation and while there are idiots everywhere the south deserves all the crap it gets.

The south has more poverty:

[www.cdc.gov image 450x359]

Is more illiterate:

(Low literacy rate in the US):
[www.fhwa.dot.gov image 576x405]

Is more obese:

[www.maxmasnick.com image 850x538]


And votes "derp"

[e.huffpost.com image 640x391]


"Derp South" is accurate.

Another idiot cocksucker ID'd.




So, your definition of an "idiot cocksucker" (telling that you think homosexuality is bad) is someone who point out facts that you do not like?
 
2013-07-07 03:27:44 PM

Repo Man: happydude45: jst3p: happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...

I have lived in many parts of the nation and while there are idiots everywhere the south deserves all the crap it gets.

The south has more poverty:

[www.cdc.gov image 450x359]

Is more illiterate:

(Low literacy rate in the US):
[www.fhwa.dot.gov image 576x405]

Is more obese:

[www.maxmasnick.com image 850x538]


And votes "derp"

[e.huffpost.com image 640x391]


"Derp South" is accurate.

Another idiot cocksucker ID'd.

So, your definition of an "idiot cocksucker" (telling that you think homosexuality is bad) is someone who point out facts that you do not like?


He also seems seems obsessed with men sucking cock.
 
2013-07-07 03:48:45 PM

Europos: In most of Western Europe it's illegal but permitted.

Erm? Do you have any law citations for this? Especially for the "most" part. I'don't know of a single law in west or middle Europe that does cover first cousins (east Europe is another ballpark).

For Germany it's totally legal as only parents, siblings and half-siblings are forbidden/criminal. We of course even have very special laws and bureaucracy for cousin marriage (Verwandtenehe) because/weil muss ja alles seine Ordung haben. ^^


Sorry, I was talking about incest in general, not "cousin incest" in particular. The point is, there's a lot of ambiguity from culture to culture about where lines are drawn and what rules are lip service.

The prevailing folk wisdom that incest causes birth defects, and that that's where the taboo comes from is pretty much bunk.
 
2013-07-07 04:05:22 PM
This would explain Honey Boo Boo Baby's extra thumb.
 
2013-07-07 04:18:42 PM
In Kentucky, you can end up blue.
 
2013-07-07 05:15:02 PM

happydude45: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I thought we called it the "Derp South" now

An idiot cocksucker who knows nothing about it might...


I was born in North Carolina.
Over half my relatives still live in North Carolina.
Look at the local politics of North Carolina over the last ten years.
Look at the local politics of many of the surrounding states over the last ten years.
Abortion rights, women's rights, gay rights, voting rights, on all these they are wrong.
Nationally some may be leaning purple or even blue, but locally they are very, very red.

It is the Derp South.
/so glad my parents moved when I was young
 
2013-07-07 07:39:35 PM
Hmm. I'd wondered why so many extra-limbed babies were born in Pakistan/India.

Pakistan


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