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(Miami Herald)   Judge orders father to pay $7,645 in legal fees for mother trying to collect child support. Correction: ...orders prosecutors to pay $7,645 to father being extorted by the system   (miamiherald.com) divider line 49
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2013-07-06 05:20:19 PM
4 votes:

GORDON: This is why those "Men's Rights" movements are so stupid, because every now and then one of them only gets a little farked instead of completely farked.


 They are kind of redundant, as its a problem society has already found a solution to. Come on. Push them far enough and guys simply just drink themselves to death, or eat a bullet. Nice and quiet, no mess. Sure, maybe in the odd case one goes down in a shootout with the cops, but then its ok because you can just retroactively dismiss them as nuts in the first place so no one needs to care.

  Women are smart enough to band together in groups, raise huge amounts of cash, and play the PR game about any slight to their 'sisters', real or imagined, until its taken care of to their satisfaction. Even to the point of using that power to marginalize and/or remove rights from others, particularly men.
 Guys and that whole independent and tough thing they are taught means they shun any of their own in trouble, and those that are in trouble won't ask. Guys no longer have rights simply because we won't fight for them.
2013-07-06 05:00:01 PM
3 votes:
Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?
2013-07-06 04:50:28 PM
3 votes:
Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
2013-07-06 04:46:45 PM
3 votes:
Maybe I can send a copy of this article to the jackasses in Kansas that keep reporting me for unpaid child support from when my ex moved there. I keep providing copies of records that it was in fact withheld from my wages by the state of Missouri (where the order existed) and paid through them, yet they 'clear it up' and a few months later we start all over again....

/Think the DMV is incompetent? You should see the people over at Child Support Enforcement.
2013-07-06 02:20:30 PM
3 votes:
Should have a HERO tag
2013-07-06 12:24:06 PM
3 votes:
"We are not appealing the judge's order despite a belief in the merits of our position," said spokesman Ed Griffith

There may be people with fewer morals than a prosecutor, but most of them are in jail.
2013-07-06 12:14:22 PM
3 votes:
Impressive!  Kudos to the judge.
2013-07-06 05:45:31 PM
2 votes:

cryinoutloud: budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule

No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.


I'm sorry you had a rough time, but statistics, how do they work?

My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.
2013-07-06 03:47:05 PM
2 votes:
Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?
2013-07-07 03:53:30 AM
1 votes:

Ranger Rover: Nice. This made me laugh. If I were a judge the sophistication of this statement would make me raise my eyebrows as to your incompetence to proceed pro se, but they're not the same thing.


I took it as he's competent enough to stand trial, also competent enough to realize that he's not a lawyer, thus can't mount an effective defense.  HOWEVER, he is thus competent enough to make a right royal pain of himself while in prison for whatever during the appeals process.

The results of which is likely to be 'give him a new trial' as the right to representation is set in stone at this point.  The cost of 2 trials, one without representation, one with, plus the appeals court's time, plus the slap to the judge for having held an arguably flawed trial, etc...

Personally, I hate how the very trial itself is used today as a form of punishment.  Even a misdemeanor trial can easily cost 10X as much as the maximum penalty.  Where's the justice in that?

Personally, I'd pass a requirement that public defenders are appointed to EVERYONE, and that the PD office must be funded at least equally to the prosecutor's.  Every dollar the prosecution spends trying to convict you is a dollar your defense can spend fighting it.
2013-07-06 11:10:46 PM
1 votes:
farkers - only one page into this thread and wanted to chime in before sunday starts

TO those men who truly care about their children's welfare? thank you - sincerely

I am sorry that you are still fighting an uphill societal battle - the one that insists you may not be "as good as" your child's mother. I am sorry that, for some of you, your ex's lie out of anger and jealousy and fear you will "turn" your jointly-made children against them - or who try to turn the children you love against you.

There are men - lots of them - who adore their children - and (at least this one) women respect that

Those of you who may be dicks because "that stupid biatch did so and so"? your children don't care what YOUR reasons are - they only want a dad and - pssst - sexist anger isn't helping your fight - especially in court.

Dads are important - keep trying, even until your kids are grown
2013-07-06 10:10:17 PM
1 votes:

R.A.Danny: One lady gets pregnant, frozen pop, twins. She hooks up with another very nice lady, they're a lovely couple. In Illinois they can't get married, but they cohabitated for five years, and the kids are now six. Now they are splitting up. it's very sad. I'm friends with both of them so I am not taking sides here, but I am kinda sickened by the traction that the birth mother is getting in getting child support for kids that are hers and hers alone.

I am all for marriage equality, but they were never married. There was no adoption. Whether you are male or female you shouldn't get nailed with child support because you temporarily cohabitated with a woman with children.


I would love to  see the State's arguments.  The entire notion is preposterous even if the couple was of opposite sexes.  Illinois banned common law marriage in 1905.  There is no such thing as common law adoption; English common law did not allow it.
2013-07-06 08:55:59 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.


Yes. Failed marriage and kids with a broken home. You win parent of the year, congrats.
2013-07-06 08:32:01 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: And sadly, decent dads get screwed by deadbeats who game the system. For every dad living on the street so he can send every dime he makes to his kids, there's one like the asshole I saw in Child Support Services blithely telling the judge how he hadn't worked for two years because he was a screenwriter and nobody was buying his scripts. The judge had no mercy, and said unless this douche got a job, he'd impute his new wife's wages to him and start attaching HER wages to pay HIS child support. It's thanks to idiots like him that guys who really do want to pay support but just can't do it get no breaks in court.


Here's the whole problem with that situation.  You're the man, ergo you are guilty.  In family court, a man is guilty until he can prove his innocence.  And beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt often isn't good enough.  It has to be "so farking not guilty that the judge might be disciplined if he rules against him."
2013-07-06 07:43:33 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: One of the biggest problems in family courts is they award child support based on "potential" to earn.  So if you made big bucks when the divorced started, but got laid off and took a shiat job afterwards (which happened to a lot of people when the economy went into the shiatter), the courts don't care.  Your potential is all that matters.  Because the courts refuse to consider economic reality, fathers who are trying their best under bad circumstances, living out of their cars or a shelter, are still considered dead-beat dads even though they send almost every penny they earn to their kids.


Well, the problem is, there's a child in all that mess. Courts wouldn't care so much (and often don't) when it's just a husband and wife biatching over alimony; but if dad is not paying CHILD support, the court has no mercy because the presumption is that that payment would be going to the child's care. So if dad isn't paying for his child--regardless of why--the court's view is that it doesn't matter whether dad and mom are married, dad would have to support the kid either way. If they were married and dad had a crappy job, he'd still be supporting the child, right? If he'd had a good job in March and a crappy job in September, why should that matter? It would still cost X dollars to feed and clothe Junior, right?

And sadly, decent dads get screwed by deadbeats who game the system. For every dad living on the street so he can send every dime he makes to his kids, there's one like the asshole I saw in Child Support Services blithely telling the judge how he hadn't worked for two years because he was a screenwriter and nobody was buying his scripts. The judge had no mercy, and said unless this douche got a job, he'd impute his new wife's wages to him and start attaching HER wages to pay HIS child support. It's thanks to idiots like him that guys who really do want to pay support but just can't do it get no breaks in court.
2013-07-06 07:42:43 PM
1 votes:

picturescrazy: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?

I have no children. I'm pretty far left leaning with gender equality issues. Shiat, I even stand up for the transgendered here which is pretty much a lost cause on Fark. That said, you'd have to be pretty ducking blind not to see how biased courts are to the mother in child support and custody cases. It's absolutely horrible and you should feel bad for what you've said.


A thousand times this. I have seen mothers with criminal histories as long as I am tall for every drug under the sun be granted custody and child support over a father with no criminal record, full-time job, stable home life, and damned good parenting skills just because she is a woman. It's ridiculous. You, Bigger Leftist Internet Dumbass, are just that. Or trolling. Not sure which. Don't care, either.


/woman
//don't have, can't have, don't want kids
///family court custody/support laws need fixed, and judges need replaced--badly
2013-07-06 07:42:14 PM
1 votes:

Aigoo: atomic-age: How can he be out of work and be a CEO simultaneously?

Because he cannot do the work, but his company can hire or subcontract someone to do it and as the owner, he can still profit? And because reporters are idiots.


He was the CEO of nothing much.  His job was business development.  Hiring someone with similar skills and contacts on a contract that ends "whenever I get my passport back" would be impractical.
2013-07-06 07:13:19 PM
1 votes:

ongbok: BarkingUnicorn: ongbok: Have a friend that worked as an assistant D.A for a while. He said what he quickly learned in the prosecutors office is that it isn't about justice, it is about winning. He said that there were plenty of cases that they either knew flat out that a person was innocent or they had enough doubt to point to innocence, but they still went after the person because they knew they could get them to take a plea.

Your friend worked for a DA who withheld exculpatory evidence from the defense "plenty of times?"  Or was he just talking about opinions flying around the office?

They didn't hold anything back, they just go after people who they know they can get to take a plea. For example there are many people that can't afford a lawyer, but make too much to get a public defender, or can't afford to have to keep going to court to fight a charge. They know that if they pile charges on a person like this, regardless of whether or not they are guilty or innocent, the person will likely take a plea to lesser charges that doesn't involve jail time.


Hm.  The one time I was charged with a crime, I argued that I could not afford a lawyer.  Public defender's office didn't want to rep me because I earned more than the poverty level.  I argued that being able to survive and being able to afford an attorney were not the same thing.  The judge told me, "Hire a lawyer or proceed pro se."  I told him that I had tried but could not find a lawyer who would take what I could afford as a retainer.  I said I was incompetent to defend myself and that if I was forced to do so under these circumstances, a conviction would likely be overturned on appeal. (Never mind where I'd get the money for an appeal.)

Lo and behold!  He found a slush fund from which to pay for a private attorney.  It only took six hearings over nine months.

/ Charge was dropped the day the trial was to begin.
// Cost me only the bail bondsman's fee & 8 hours in jail
/// I plead the Fifth
2013-07-06 07:04:30 PM
1 votes:

AngryDragon: cryinoutloud: budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule

No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.

I'm sorry you had a rough time, but statistics, how do they work?

My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.


Yep.  Same thing happened to my brother.  He'd make his support payments, she'd spend it on drugs, the electricity and phone would get turned off for non-payment.   Of course the kids were going hungry. This happened so many times we lost count.  She failed multiple court mandated drug tests and the biatch STILL got to keep custody.  She finally screwed up bad enough that the idiot judge couldn't ignore it and gave my brother custody of his three kids.  By then, the oldest was a complete thug, actively involved in a gang, and too far gone to be a useful member of society.  He's in and out of prison on a regular basis.  At least his two other kids are awesome.
2013-07-06 07:02:25 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.


 you obviously have money. so if you needed, you could hire decent legal representation. if your not, your ex-wife didn't hire some feminist attorney which would take it pro-bono or on contingency because she has an axe to grind, and wants to hammer you like a tent peg.
/don't be so smug. you were one of the lucky ones.
// I always laugh to myself, take out your wedding album, look at the picture where you and your ex have that first dance. all the love, and you promise to care for each other no matter what.
///what a farkin joke it all is. today no one wants to persevere, as soon as sh*t starts to get tough, it's "i'm outta here, you'll hear from my attorney"
////my parents generation (for the most part) tried their best to keep their vows
//enjoy it gay folk, you are no different then the straights.
2013-07-06 07:02:19 PM
1 votes:

Loren: Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Because nothing ever happens to the custodial parent who abuses the system.

buzzcut73: Maybe I can send a copy of this article to the jackasses in Kansas that keep reporting me for unpaid child support from when my ex moved there. I keep providing copies of records that it was in fact withheld from my wages by the state of Missouri (where the order existed) and paid through them, yet they 'clear it up' and a few months later we start all over again...

Maybe your ex keeps making the claim to cause you trouble.

#1:  She applies for welfare, neglecting to mention the child support she's receiving.  The state turns around and goes after him to recover the payments.  He points out that he was paying child support, her application is fraudulent, he did nothing wrong.  They didn't care, he ended up paying it as it was cheaper than paying the lawyer and he probably would have lost anyway.


This is what happened in my case. She applied for welfare, the state went after me to get it back since there was a support order, even though I'd been paying it. Every few months it comes back because, by God, they're going to get their money from somebody, I guess. Their reply is usually something along the lines of "Well, Missouri CSE should have been sending it on to us". Well, that's not really my problem, is it? Once the payment is made, how the hell am I supposed to control what the collecting state does with it?

She doesn't live in KS anymore, nor do I. KS tried to report it to the state I live in now, and thankfully here I've found one decent caseworker and one decent attorney in the local CSE office that have basically told KS that they aren't going to pursue it, because KS can't substantiate their claim. Still, it resides on my credit report, which sucks.

Most recently, I've gotten a letter from KS saying that if I open an educational savings account in her name with the state, they'll knock two dollars off of my "arrears" for every dollar I put in it. I may just do that, because at least it will benefit my daughter and will finally get the BS debt off the books. So yeah, I'll probably just pay it that way cause it's in the long run less headache than going to Bumfark, KS for a family court hearing that I'd probably lose anyway.
2013-07-06 06:52:23 PM
1 votes:

AngryDragon: picturescrazy: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?

I have no children yet, nor have I an ex wife. I'm pretty far left leaning with gender equality issues. Shiat, I even stand up for the transgendered here which is pretty much a lost cause on Fark. That said, you'd have to be pretty ducking blind not to see how biased courts are to the mother in child support and custody cases. It's absolutely horrible and you should feel bad for what you've said.

This.  The fact that I fully support my gay and female friends in their struggle for equality before the law is somewhat dimmed by the fact that when I call out that same inequality in custody cases, all of a sudden I'm a misogynist.

It's pretty disgusting.


What I get a kick of is those self-same hypocritical bigots that belittle you will, in the same breath, assure you that what they're doing is for your benefit also.

Kind of like when I eat an extravagant meal and let the homeless pick from my garbage. My selfish gluttony is for their benefit, too.
2013-07-06 06:44:42 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?


Because nothing ever happens to the custodial parent who abuses the system.

buzzcut73: Maybe I can send a copy of this article to the jackasses in Kansas that keep reporting me for unpaid child support from when my ex moved there. I keep providing copies of records that it was in fact withheld from my wages by the state of Missouri (where the order existed) and paid through them, yet they 'clear it up' and a few months later we start all over again...


Maybe your ex keeps making the claim to cause you trouble.

jst3p: I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.


When the parents are reasonable the system usually works.  It's extremely biased towards the custodial parents who abuses the system, though.

jst3p: I have heard some pretty bad stories, so I know historically it is pretty biased, but more recently most dads I know who got "screwed by the system" either don't understand the motivations of Family court, didn't assert and or protect their rights or are just plain bitter.


Admittedly cases from a decade ago:

#1:  She applies for welfare, neglecting to mention the child support she's receiving.  The state turns around and goes after him to recover the payments.  He points out that he was paying child support, her application is fraudulent, he did nothing wrong.  They didn't care, he ended up paying it as it was cheaper than paying the lawyer and he probably would have lost anyway.

#2:  She talks him into moving to where she has family--oops, what she was really after was a divorce in front of a friendly judge.  She gets 100% of marital assets and a child support award based on his former income that simply can't be met locally.  Dirty as all hell but since she got all the assets he has no way to appeal so she wins anyway.  That one backfired because instead of paying he went off the radar.
2013-07-06 06:40:17 PM
1 votes:

Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.


Except his children, of course, which aren't even party to the legal actions that affect them. Children can't sue for child support, can't collect child support in their own name, have no legal claim to child support collected on their behalf, have not standing to contest their custody arrangements, etc., etc., etc.
2013-07-06 06:38:03 PM
1 votes:

wambu: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion?

That was eloquently covered in the web comments from TFA.

[i.imgur.com image 618x197]


The Apostles put it more eloquently:  Matthew 19:9-10

 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

That passage always cracks me up!
2013-07-06 06:37:16 PM
1 votes:

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?


I have no children yet, nor have I an ex wife. I'm pretty far left leaning with gender equality issues. Shiat, I even stand up for the transgendered here which is pretty much a lost cause on Fark. That said, you'd have to be pretty ducking blind not to see how biased courts are to the mother in child support and custody cases. It's absolutely horrible and you should feel bad for what you've said.
2013-07-06 06:20:33 PM
1 votes:

JesusJuice: AngryDragon: cryinoutloud: budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule

No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.

I'm sorry you had a rough time, but statistics, how do they work?

My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.

Why would you let your kids be raised by someone like that? The interests of your child should come before the judges decision or whatever the law says.


Because any suggestion of her being unfit would have resulted in a restraining order?  Because I preferred to not be in jail for kidnapping?   Because a felony arrest would have ended my career even if I had been acquitted?  "Family Court" is horrific for a responsible father, especially if the mother isn't.

The positive outcome is that my son and I have a wonderful relationship and he comes to me for all guidance, despite the retarded ruling.  He was old enough to understand what was happening and so the damage was minimized.  I feel sorry for any father in a similar situation with little kids.
2013-07-06 06:18:39 PM
1 votes:

jayphat: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?

Yes. Yes it is. However... had Crazy McGee not filed a false affidavit... they never woulda been involved.

That's why she's paying her share.  The prosecutors are paying for failing to correct the error after they learned of the error, and for misusing the courts in an effort to deny any error.  That's not on her, it's on them.

Ex-wife and prosecutors (plural) each ordered to pay $7645.  I wonder if that means more than one $7645 payment from prosecutors?

What got me is the prosecutor who is all "well, we're not going to appeal even though we're 100% right." No you aren't you farking tard and you need to be voted out in the next election cycle. The guy showed you PROOF that he wasn't what she claimed, and you STILL pursued the matter. You job is to prosecute for justice, not for the win.


Have a friend that worked as an assistant D.A for a while. He said what he quickly learned in the prosecutors office is that it isn't about justice, it is about winning. He said that there were plenty of cases that they either knew flat out that a person was innocent or they had enough doubt to point to innocence, but they still went after the person because they knew they could get them to take a plea.
2013-07-06 06:14:33 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?


Ho ho ho, you innocent fool. She has no penis therefore cannot currently be charged or prosecuted in a family court, didn`t you know?

This is a good story. It shows hope for equality in the world.

Do you hear that noise? It`s the lack of radical feminists who will avoid this thread like the plague because this sort of thing never happens ever.

The State Attorney Office's said the case has sparked change in internal policy. Now, the office does not report back child support payments to Tallahassee based only on a sworn affidavit - instead, prosecutors wait for a court order.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/07/3222595/miami-judge-calls-child - support.html#storylink=cpy
Wow, you mean they no longer completely disrupt a persons life based on nothing more than a statement from someone likely to want to disrupt their life, they wait for legal confirmation of the facts?

*head asplode*
2013-07-06 06:14:05 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: jayphat: Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?

I think the logic was that he'd already accepted responsibility as the kid's father... and they weren't gonna let him off the hook now.


Yup.  Never talk to the cops, and never admit paternity without a paternity test.  Unless you're married to her; then even the test won't matter.   The overriding concern is that the kid get as much support as possible that doesn't come from taxpayers.
2013-07-06 06:12:18 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?

Yes. Yes it is. However... had Crazy McGee not filed a false affidavit... they never woulda been involved.

That's why she's paying her share.  The prosecutors are paying for failing to correct the error after they learned of the error, and for misusing the courts in an effort to deny any error.  That's not on her, it's on them.

Ex-wife and prosecutors (plural) each ordered to pay $7645.  I wonder if that means more than one $7645 payment from prosecutors?


What got me is the prosecutor who is all "well, we're not going to appeal even though we're 100% right." No you aren't you farking tard and you need to be voted out in the next election cycle. The guy showed you PROOF that he wasn't what she claimed, and you STILL pursued the matter. You job is to prosecute for justice, not for the win.
2013-07-06 06:09:53 PM
1 votes:

jayphat: Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?


Texas seems pretty farked up in this regard. If I am reading this correctly you have 60 days after birth to challenge paternity I believe the case you are referring to happened in Texas, actually I remember more than one.

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/ag_publications/txts/paternity.shtml

Here is one example, google shows many more:

http://www.khou.com/news/Houston-man-forced-to-pay-child-support-for -c hild-that-DNA-proves-isnt-his-124472429.html
2013-07-06 06:06:57 PM
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jayphat: Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?


I think the logic was that he'd already accepted responsibility as the kid's father... and they weren't gonna let him off the hook now.
2013-07-06 06:03:33 PM
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BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?


Yes. Yes it is. However... had Crazy McGee not filed a false affidavit... they never woulda been involved.
2013-07-06 05:56:16 PM
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jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.


I saw the order from Children Services of my best friend years ago during his divorce. He made 50.1% of their income, she made 49.9%. The state says that $900/month is what it took to raise a child. With shared custody, they were going to make him pay her $452 a month. FOR. SHARED. CUSTODY. It took an actual farking lawyer to get the shiat cleared up.
2013-07-06 05:39:57 PM
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budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule


No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.
2013-07-06 05:33:34 PM
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budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.

Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.

#exceptionnottherule


I have full custody of the three kids, and she pays $300/month for child support. And my lawyer constantly reminds me to keep documenting everything as she could walk into court any given day and demand custody be returned (even after 5 years) and she'd likely get temporary custody.

So yeah, even the lawyers know fathers are below felons in the system.
2013-07-06 05:31:05 PM
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FormlessOne: BizarreMan: Impressive!  Kudos to the judge.

That is, quite simply, the dumbest police I've ever heard - "hey, it's an affidavit, and no one's ever lied on one of those - let's just go ahead and report him as a deadbeat dad and hose his passport for months." No investigation, no due process, just punish him solely on the say-so of another party and no other evidence.

And, where's the follow-up where the wife is now charged with falsifying an affidavit and committing fraud? She writes a $7K check and walks off after basically lying for months? That's bullshiat, right there. The social bias against men for child support issues, to the point of having the "deadbeat dad" nickname, is bad enough without having some form of verification to confirm that status before punishing men for it.


We can't hold women responsible for their actions, that would just be sexist.
2013-07-06 05:30:17 PM
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WhippingBoy: budrojr: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?

Bingo.  And thanks for playing the "who's going to be the most obtuse, smarmy poster" game.  If you win, we'll let you know.  Now go sit in the audience and shut it.

Actually, this is the thread where we mock and vilify people for standing up for their best interests instead of our best interests.


That's the whole problem, it is about the best interests of the kids. Too many parents forget this and try to "win".
2013-07-06 05:22:36 PM
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budrojr: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?

Bingo.  And thanks for playing the "who's going to be the most obtuse, smarmy poster" game.  If you win, we'll let you know.  Now go sit in the audience and shut it.


Actually, this is the thread where we mock and vilify people for standing up for their best interests instead of our best interests.
2013-07-06 05:17:18 PM
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jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.


I never got married and don't have any kids... I'd say YOU'RE doing it wrong too.
2013-07-06 05:17:14 PM
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AngryDragon: Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?

In a family court case?


Yeah, if they started putting everyone in jail who lied in family court they'd never be able to finish a trial.  Practically everyone involved in those disputes is lying or incompetent.  On the other hand, wanna take a guess why nobody respects family court?
2013-07-06 05:12:58 PM
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BizarreMan: Impressive!  Kudos to the judge.


That is, quite simply, the dumbest police I've ever heard - "hey, it's an affidavit, and no one's ever lied on one of those - let's just go ahead and report him as a deadbeat dad and hose his passport for months." No investigation, no due process, just punish him solely on the say-so of another party and no other evidence.

And, where's the follow-up where the wife is now charged with falsifying an affidavit and committing fraud? She writes a $7K check and walks off after basically lying for months? That's bullshiat, right there. The social bias against men for child support issues, to the point of having the "deadbeat dad" nickname, is bad enough without having some form of verification to confirm that status before punishing men for it.
2013-07-06 05:12:16 PM
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GORDON: This is why those "Men's Rights" movements are so stupid, because every now and then one of them only gets a little farked instead of completely farked.


And what man is bothered by a little farking... amirite?!!?
2013-07-06 04:50:44 PM
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Didn't go far enough. Knowingly pursuing frivolous litigation should be reviewed by the State Bar.
2013-07-06 04:49:34 PM
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AngryDragon: Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?

In a family court case?

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I don't get it. Maybe I'm stupid.

She lied... impacted her ex's ability to run his business or make money... and cost the State $7,000 plus the cost of all the man hours she wasted...

I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?
2013-07-06 04:45:55 PM
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How can he be out of work and be a CEO simultaneously?
2013-07-06 04:42:58 PM
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GOOD
2013-07-06 04:41:49 PM
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In December 2010, Maya-Schehtman went to the State Attorney's Office and filed a routine sworn-affidavit alleging her ex-husband was late on child support.

Schehtman, the judge later found, filed documents with the court and prosecutors showing the affidavit was wrong. Prosecutors nevertheless "certified" the delinquent child support, reporting it through a computer system to the Florida Department of Revenue.



Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/07/3222595/miami-judge-calls-child - support.html#storylink=cpy
She should be in jail. Maybe the prosecutors too.
 
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