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2013-07-06 05:33:34 PM  

budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.

Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.

#exceptionnottherule


I have full custody of the three kids, and she pays $300/month for child support. And my lawyer constantly reminds me to keep documenting everything as she could walk into court any given day and demand custody be returned (even after 5 years) and she'd likely get temporary custody.

So yeah, even the lawyers know fathers are below felons in the system.
 
2013-07-06 05:35:03 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?


Probably because they have to prove that she lied and this wasn't just a mistake on her part. And in a case like this I'm pretty sure that will be extremely hard unless they have her on tape talking about her plan.
 
2013-07-06 05:37:39 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: GORDON: This is why those "Men's Rights" movements are so stupid, because every now and then one of them only gets a little farked instead of completely farked.

And what man is bothered by a little farking... amirite?!!?


teh reddit nerd
 
2013-07-06 05:39:57 PM  

budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule


No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.
 
2013-07-06 05:42:00 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: AngryDragon: Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?

In a family court case?

[images.encyclopediadramatica.se image 500x389]

I don't get it. Maybe I'm stupid.

She lied... impacted her ex's ability to run his business or make money... and cost the State $7,000 plus the cost of all the man hours she wasted...

I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?


That would be a hardship and not in the interest of justice.  You know, FOR THE CHILDREN!

Let's not consider that the mother is a C*** who is setting a great example for her kids while defrauding an innocent man and the state.
 
2013-07-06 05:45:31 PM  

cryinoutloud: budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule

No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.


I'm sorry you had a rough time, but statistics, how do they work?

My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.
 
2013-07-06 05:52:41 PM  

AngryDragon: cryinoutloud: budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule

No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.

I'm sorry you had a rough time, but statistics, how do they work?

My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.


i'm addicted to drugs too.  i take an aspirin every once and awhile
 
2013-07-06 05:54:45 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?


Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?
 
2013-07-06 05:56:16 PM  

jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.


I saw the order from Children Services of my best friend years ago during his divorce. He made 50.1% of their income, she made 49.9%. The state says that $900/month is what it took to raise a child. With shared custody, they were going to make him pay her $452 a month. FOR. SHARED. CUSTODY. It took an actual farking lawyer to get the shiat cleared up.
 
2013-07-06 05:57:46 PM  
A victory for reproductive rights.
 
2013-07-06 05:58:08 PM  

AngryDragon: Pray 4 Mojo: AngryDragon: Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?

In a family court case?

[images.encyclopediadramatica.se image 500x389]

I don't get it. Maybe I'm stupid.

She lied... impacted her ex's ability to run his business or make money... and cost the State $7,000 plus the cost of all the man hours she wasted...

I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

That would be a hardship and not in the interest of justice.  You know, FOR THE CHILDREN!

Let's not consider that the mother is a C*** who is setting a great example for her kids while defrauding an innocent man and the state.


Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?
 
Rat
2013-07-06 05:58:14 PM  
 
2013-07-06 06:01:39 PM  

AngryDragon: My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.


Seems you had a shiatty lawyer or a corrupt judge; maybe both. Tough break, especially for the kids.

Family law does not attract the best legal pros.  It's nightmarish work and doesn't pay as well as other specialities.  Go figger.

/yeah, divorce fees are steep, but like hospital bills they can be hard to collect.
//in addition to white male privilege, I now feel guilty about an equitable, mostly amicable post-divorce life.
 
2013-07-06 06:03:10 PM  
But.. it's florida.. and it's progressive, and it's justice, and, and... my brain can't handle this!

images.wikia.com
 
2013-07-06 06:03:33 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?


Yes. Yes it is. However... had Crazy McGee not filed a false affidavit... they never woulda been involved.
 
2013-07-06 06:04:51 PM  

Mr Rogers is aroused: But.. it's florida.. and it's progressive, and it's justice, and, and... my brain can't handle this!

[images.wikia.com image 555x406]


they're paying teh contents of a savings account.  to get pot
 
2013-07-06 06:06:57 PM  

jayphat: Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?


I think the logic was that he'd already accepted responsibility as the kid's father... and they weren't gonna let him off the hook now.
 
2013-07-06 06:07:19 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

What about a black father?

Oh... right.

Nevermind.


Those don't exist
 
2013-07-06 06:08:11 PM  

BizarreMan: Impressive!  Kudos to the judge.


img1.fark.net


NEVER thought I'd post that, but there it is.
 
2013-07-06 06:09:34 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: jayphat: Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?

I think the logic was that he'd already accepted responsibility as the kid's father... and they weren't gonna let him off the hook now.


I think there was truth to that. That he did accept the kid as his. Until the kid started growing ginger hair, and both he and the mother were blonde. Then the paternity test came and he wasn't the father.
 
2013-07-06 06:09:36 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?

Yes. Yes it is. However... had Crazy McGee not filed a false affidavit... they never woulda been involved.


That's why she's paying her share.  The prosecutors are paying for failing to correct the error after they learned of the error, and for misusing the courts in an effort to deny any error.  That's not on her, it's on them.

Ex-wife and prosecutors (plural) each ordered to pay $7645.  I wonder if that means more than one $7645 payment from prosecutors?
 
2013-07-06 06:09:53 PM  

jayphat: Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?


Texas seems pretty farked up in this regard. If I am reading this correctly you have 60 days after birth to challenge paternity I believe the case you are referring to happened in Texas, actually I remember more than one.

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/ag_publications/txts/paternity.shtml

Here is one example, google shows many more:

http://www.khou.com/news/Houston-man-forced-to-pay-child-support-for -c hild-that-DNA-proves-isnt-his-124472429.html
 
2013-07-06 06:12:18 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?

Yes. Yes it is. However... had Crazy McGee not filed a false affidavit... they never woulda been involved.

That's why she's paying her share.  The prosecutors are paying for failing to correct the error after they learned of the error, and for misusing the courts in an effort to deny any error.  That's not on her, it's on them.

Ex-wife and prosecutors (plural) each ordered to pay $7645.  I wonder if that means more than one $7645 payment from prosecutors?


What got me is the prosecutor who is all "well, we're not going to appeal even though we're 100% right." No you aren't you farking tard and you need to be voted out in the next election cycle. The guy showed you PROOF that he wasn't what she claimed, and you STILL pursued the matter. You job is to prosecute for justice, not for the win.
 
2013-07-06 06:13:56 PM  

jst3p: jayphat: Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?

Texas seems pretty farked up in this regard. If I am reading this correctly you have 60 days after birth to challenge paternity I believe the case you are referring to happened in Texas, actually I remember more than one.

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/ag_publications/txts/paternity.shtml

Here is one example, google shows many more:

http://www.khou.com/news/Houston-man-forced-to-pay-child-support-for -c hild-that-DNA-proves-isnt-his-124472429.html


Yup, that's the case.
 
2013-07-06 06:14:05 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: jayphat: Didn't we read a story here a while back where DNA proved a guy wasn't the father, but since the mother fingered him as the dad, and the child would suffer without the money, they were going to force him to pay up anyway?

I think the logic was that he'd already accepted responsibility as the kid's father... and they weren't gonna let him off the hook now.


Yup.  Never talk to the cops, and never admit paternity without a paternity test.  Unless you're married to her; then even the test won't matter.   The overriding concern is that the kid get as much support as possible that doesn't come from taxpayers.
 
2013-07-06 06:14:33 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?


Ho ho ho, you innocent fool. She has no penis therefore cannot currently be charged or prosecuted in a family court, didn`t you know?

This is a good story. It shows hope for equality in the world.

Do you hear that noise? It`s the lack of radical feminists who will avoid this thread like the plague because this sort of thing never happens ever.

The State Attorney Office's said the case has sparked change in internal policy. Now, the office does not report back child support payments to Tallahassee based only on a sworn affidavit - instead, prosecutors wait for a court order.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/07/3222595/miami-judge-calls-child - support.html#storylink=cpy
Wow, you mean they no longer completely disrupt a persons life based on nothing more than a statement from someone likely to want to disrupt their life, they wait for legal confirmation of the facts?

*head asplode*
 
2013-07-06 06:15:08 PM  

AngryDragon: cryinoutloud: budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule

No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.

I'm sorry you had a rough time, but statistics, how do they work?

My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.


Why would you let your kids be raised by someone like that? The interests of your child should come before the judges decision or whatever the law says.
 
2013-07-06 06:15:36 PM  

jayphat: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?

Yes. Yes it is. However... had Crazy McGee not filed a false affidavit... they never woulda been involved.

That's why she's paying her share.  The prosecutors are paying for failing to correct the error after they learned of the error, and for misusing the courts in an effort to deny any error.  That's not on her, it's on them.

Ex-wife and prosecutors (plural) each ordered to pay $7645.  I wonder if that means more than one $7645 payment from prosecutors?

What got me is the prosecutor who is all "well, we're not going to appeal even though we're 100% right." No you aren't you farking tard and you need to be voted out in the next election cycle. The guy showed you PROOF that he wasn't what she claimed, and you STILL pursued the matter. You job is to prosecute for justice, not for the win.


I believe they said their position "has merit."  IDK what their position is, but evidently they don't think it's a winner.
 
2013-07-06 06:18:39 PM  

jayphat: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: BarkingUnicorn: Pray 4 Mojo: I'm not saying they need to lock her up... but she just writes a check for $7k (which is probably his farking money to begin with) and gets to go on with her life?

Isn't that exactly what the prosecutors get to do - pay the guy with other people's money and get on with their lives?

Yes. Yes it is. However... had Crazy McGee not filed a false affidavit... they never woulda been involved.

That's why she's paying her share.  The prosecutors are paying for failing to correct the error after they learned of the error, and for misusing the courts in an effort to deny any error.  That's not on her, it's on them.

Ex-wife and prosecutors (plural) each ordered to pay $7645.  I wonder if that means more than one $7645 payment from prosecutors?

What got me is the prosecutor who is all "well, we're not going to appeal even though we're 100% right." No you aren't you farking tard and you need to be voted out in the next election cycle. The guy showed you PROOF that he wasn't what she claimed, and you STILL pursued the matter. You job is to prosecute for justice, not for the win.


Have a friend that worked as an assistant D.A for a while. He said what he quickly learned in the prosecutors office is that it isn't about justice, it is about winning. He said that there were plenty of cases that they either knew flat out that a person was innocent or they had enough doubt to point to innocence, but they still went after the person because they knew they could get them to take a plea.
 
2013-07-06 06:19:49 PM  
Where's the farking hero tag for the judge?
 
2013-07-06 06:20:33 PM  

JesusJuice: AngryDragon: cryinoutloud: budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule

No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.

I'm sorry you had a rough time, but statistics, how do they work?

My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.

Why would you let your kids be raised by someone like that? The interests of your child should come before the judges decision or whatever the law says.


Because any suggestion of her being unfit would have resulted in a restraining order?  Because I preferred to not be in jail for kidnapping?   Because a felony arrest would have ended my career even if I had been acquitted?  "Family Court" is horrific for a responsible father, especially if the mother isn't.

The positive outcome is that my son and I have a wonderful relationship and he comes to me for all guidance, despite the retarded ruling.  He was old enough to understand what was happening and so the damage was minimized.  I feel sorry for any father in a similar situation with little kids.
 
2013-07-06 06:23:58 PM  
An in case there are any young farkers out there who have not learned this lesson:

Stay away from the South American chicks. Just stay away.
 
2013-07-06 06:27:21 PM  

ongbok: Have a friend that worked as an assistant D.A for a while. He said what he quickly learned in the prosecutors office is that it isn't about justice, it is about winning. He said that there were plenty of cases that they either knew flat out that a person was innocent or they had enough doubt to point to innocence, but they still went after the person because they knew they could get them to take a plea.


Your friend worked for a DA who withheld exculpatory evidence from the defense "plenty of times?"  Or was he just talking about opinions flying around the office?
 
2013-07-06 06:27:24 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: An in case there are any young farkers out there who have not learned this lesson:

Stay away from the South American chicks. Just stay away.


but what if they have big boobs and make a video called Brazil01.avi
 
2013-07-06 06:29:47 PM  

AngryDragon: JesusJuice: AngryDragon: cryinoutloud: budrojr: jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.
I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.
Glad it worked out for you bro.  You may be one of the only ones EVER that it has worked out for.
#exceptionnottherule

No shiat. My psycho ex kept me in court for 12 years, and I was farked over almost every single time I walked in there.

Oh wait--I'm a woman, therefore it couldn't have happened that way. Carry on, Fark.

I'm sorry you had a rough time, but statistics, how do they work?

My ex was addicted to drugs without any means of support and she STILL got custody.  Apparently a father with a clean record and successful career who volunteers his time to both the community and his child's school was a less capable parent than someone who was so drugged out of her mind that she would spend days at a time in bed.  And she received spousal support for 3 years.

Seems legit.

Why would you let your kids be raised by someone like that? The interests of your child should come before the judges decision or whatever the law says.

Because any suggestion of her being unfit would have resulted in a restraining order?  Because I preferred to not be in jail for kidnapping?   Because a felony arrest would have ended my career even if I had been acquitted?  "Family Court" is horrific for a responsible father, especially if the mother isn't.

The positive outcome is that my son and I have a wonderful relationship and he comes to me for all guidance, despite the retarded ruling.  He was old enough to understand what was happening and so the damage was minimized.  I feel sorry for any father in a similar situation with little kids.


The tree that bends survives the storm.  The tree that doesn't bend breaks.
 
2013-07-06 06:31:05 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion?


That was eloquently covered in the web comments from TFA.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-06 06:37:16 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?


I have no children yet, nor have I an ex wife. I'm pretty far left leaning with gender equality issues. Shiat, I even stand up for the transgendered here which is pretty much a lost cause on Fark. That said, you'd have to be pretty ducking blind not to see how biased courts are to the mother in child support and custody cases. It's absolutely horrible and you should feel bad for what you've said.
 
2013-07-06 06:38:03 PM  

wambu: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion?

That was eloquently covered in the web comments from TFA.

[i.imgur.com image 618x197]


The Apostles put it more eloquently:  Matthew 19:9-10

 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

That passage always cracks me up!
 
2013-07-06 06:40:07 PM  
Having seen the nature of family court, it'll be a cold day in hell before I divorce my husband, and even then, he's getting custody of any kids we may produce. Dude makes more than I do and college is expensive.
 
2013-07-06 06:40:17 PM  

Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.


Except his children, of course, which aren't even party to the legal actions that affect them. Children can't sue for child support, can't collect child support in their own name, have no legal claim to child support collected on their behalf, have not standing to contest their custody arrangements, etc., etc., etc.
 
2013-07-06 06:40:38 PM  

picturescrazy: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?

I have no children yet, nor have I an ex wife. I'm pretty far left leaning with gender equality issues. Shiat, I even stand up for the transgendered here which is pretty much a lost cause on Fark. That said, you'd have to be pretty ducking blind not to see how biased courts are to the mother in child support and custody cases. It's absolutely horrible and you should feel bad for what you've said.


This.  The fact that I fully support my gay and female friends in their struggle for equality before the law is somewhat dimmed by the fact that when I call out that same inequality in custody cases, all of a sudden I'm a misogynist.

It's pretty disgusting.
 
2013-07-06 06:42:40 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: The Apostles put it more eloquently: Matthew 19:9-10

9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."


Ima borrow that.

Thanks!
 
2013-07-06 06:44:42 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?


Because nothing ever happens to the custodial parent who abuses the system.

buzzcut73: Maybe I can send a copy of this article to the jackasses in Kansas that keep reporting me for unpaid child support from when my ex moved there. I keep providing copies of records that it was in fact withheld from my wages by the state of Missouri (where the order existed) and paid through them, yet they 'clear it up' and a few months later we start all over again...


Maybe your ex keeps making the claim to cause you trouble.

jst3p: I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.


When the parents are reasonable the system usually works.  It's extremely biased towards the custodial parents who abuses the system, though.

jst3p: I have heard some pretty bad stories, so I know historically it is pretty biased, but more recently most dads I know who got "screwed by the system" either don't understand the motivations of Family court, didn't assert and or protect their rights or are just plain bitter.


Admittedly cases from a decade ago:

#1:  She applies for welfare, neglecting to mention the child support she's receiving.  The state turns around and goes after him to recover the payments.  He points out that he was paying child support, her application is fraudulent, he did nothing wrong.  They didn't care, he ended up paying it as it was cheaper than paying the lawyer and he probably would have lost anyway.

#2:  She talks him into moving to where she has family--oops, what she was really after was a divorce in front of a friendly judge.  She gets 100% of marital assets and a child support award based on his former income that simply can't be met locally.  Dirty as all hell but since she got all the assets he has no way to appeal so she wins anyway.  That one backfired because instead of paying he went off the radar.
 
2013-07-06 06:45:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: ongbok: Have a friend that worked as an assistant D.A for a while. He said what he quickly learned in the prosecutors office is that it isn't about justice, it is about winning. He said that there were plenty of cases that they either knew flat out that a person was innocent or they had enough doubt to point to innocence, but they still went after the person because they knew they could get them to take a plea.

Your friend worked for a DA who withheld exculpatory evidence from the defense "plenty of times?"  Or was he just talking about opinions flying around the office?


They didn't hold anything back, they just go after people who they know they can get to take a plea. For example there are many people that can't afford a lawyer, but make too much to get a public defender, or can't afford to have to keep going to court to fight a charge. They know that if they pile charges on a person like this, regardless of whether or not they are guilty or innocent, the person will likely take a plea to lesser charges that doesn't involve jail time.
 
2013-07-06 06:50:43 PM  
One of the biggest problems in family courts is they award child support based on "potential" to earn.  So if you made big bucks when the divorced started, but got laid off and took a shiat job afterwards (which happened to a lot of people when the economy went into the shiatter), the courts don't care.  Your potential is all that matters.  Because the courts refuse to consider economic reality, fathers who are trying their best under bad circumstances, living out of their cars or a shelter, are still considered dead-beat dads even though they send almost every penny they earn to their kids.
 
2013-07-06 06:52:23 PM  

AngryDragon: picturescrazy: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Oh, is this the weekly "Men's Rights" angry Fark Misogyny circlejerk?

I see we've already started in on how white men are the most oppressed members of society and are afforded no justice in the courts. How long before the usual suspects show up and start in with the "All women are unfeeling whores' discussion? Or is that all the time here?

I have no children yet, nor have I an ex wife. I'm pretty far left leaning with gender equality issues. Shiat, I even stand up for the transgendered here which is pretty much a lost cause on Fark. That said, you'd have to be pretty ducking blind not to see how biased courts are to the mother in child support and custody cases. It's absolutely horrible and you should feel bad for what you've said.

This.  The fact that I fully support my gay and female friends in their struggle for equality before the law is somewhat dimmed by the fact that when I call out that same inequality in custody cases, all of a sudden I'm a misogynist.

It's pretty disgusting.


What I get a kick of is those self-same hypocritical bigots that belittle you will, in the same breath, assure you that what they're doing is for your benefit also.

Kind of like when I eat an extravagant meal and let the homeless pick from my garbage. My selfish gluttony is for their benefit, too.
 
2013-07-06 06:53:52 PM  

ongbok: Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Dafuq?

Probably because they have to prove that she lied and this wasn't just a mistake on her part. And in a case like this I'm pretty sure that will be extremely hard unless they have her on tape talking about her plan.


I disagree.  It wouldn't be hard to prove she lied.  "Your honor, here are the cancelled checks showing she cashed them at her bank."  If the woman can't remember cashing child support checks every month and isn't capable of reviewing her account which would be an easy reminder that she did get the money, then we have to discuss her ability to care for the children.  Her competence is questionable.
 
2013-07-06 06:59:19 PM  
I hope he does pursue a civil suit for all the money he is out since he couldn't work.  Bankrupt the biotch, and the Prosecutors.
 
2013-07-06 07:02:19 PM  

Loren: Pray 4 Mojo: Why isn't the ex-wife facing criminal charges?

Isn't knowingly lying in a sworn affidavit perjury?

Because nothing ever happens to the custodial parent who abuses the system.

buzzcut73: Maybe I can send a copy of this article to the jackasses in Kansas that keep reporting me for unpaid child support from when my ex moved there. I keep providing copies of records that it was in fact withheld from my wages by the state of Missouri (where the order existed) and paid through them, yet they 'clear it up' and a few months later we start all over again...

Maybe your ex keeps making the claim to cause you trouble.

#1:  She applies for welfare, neglecting to mention the child support she's receiving.  The state turns around and goes after him to recover the payments.  He points out that he was paying child support, her application is fraudulent, he did nothing wrong.  They didn't care, he ended up paying it as it was cheaper than paying the lawyer and he probably would have lost anyway.


This is what happened in my case. She applied for welfare, the state went after me to get it back since there was a support order, even though I'd been paying it. Every few months it comes back because, by God, they're going to get their money from somebody, I guess. Their reply is usually something along the lines of "Well, Missouri CSE should have been sending it on to us". Well, that's not really my problem, is it? Once the payment is made, how the hell am I supposed to control what the collecting state does with it?

She doesn't live in KS anymore, nor do I. KS tried to report it to the state I live in now, and thankfully here I've found one decent caseworker and one decent attorney in the local CSE office that have basically told KS that they aren't going to pursue it, because KS can't substantiate their claim. Still, it resides on my credit report, which sucks.

Most recently, I've gotten a letter from KS saying that if I open an educational savings account in her name with the state, they'll knock two dollars off of my "arrears" for every dollar I put in it. I may just do that, because at least it will benefit my daughter and will finally get the BS debt off the books. So yeah, I'll probably just pay it that way cause it's in the long run less headache than going to Bumfark, KS for a family court hearing that I'd probably lose anyway.
 
2013-07-06 07:02:25 PM  

jst3p: Thisbymaster: Yeah, nothing in the legal system with less rights than a father.

I have 50/50 custody, shared parental rights and pay reasonable child support considering our disparity in income. You are doing it wrong.


 you obviously have money. so if you needed, you could hire decent legal representation. if your not, your ex-wife didn't hire some feminist attorney which would take it pro-bono or on contingency because she has an axe to grind, and wants to hammer you like a tent peg.
/don't be so smug. you were one of the lucky ones.
// I always laugh to myself, take out your wedding album, look at the picture where you and your ex have that first dance. all the love, and you promise to care for each other no matter what.
///what a farkin joke it all is. today no one wants to persevere, as soon as sh*t starts to get tough, it's "i'm outta here, you'll hear from my attorney"
////my parents generation (for the most part) tried their best to keep their vows
//enjoy it gay folk, you are no different then the straights.
 
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