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2013-07-06 12:56:01 PM
What Egypt needs is for the government to listen to its people.
 
2013-07-06 01:39:56 PM
Egyptians would be lucky if their new ruling generals turn out to be in the mold of Chile's Augusto Pinochet who took over power amid chaos but hired free-market reformers and midwifed a transition to democracy.

Shut up anonymous WSJ editorial, you moran.

Egypt already tried the "military-backed dictator friendly to US corporate interests" thing for decades.

That's kinda why we're here now.

/Farking RW revivionists. Ya know I hate 'em.
 
2013-07-06 02:00:11 PM
So the WSJ's editorial board consists of American Thinker contributors.  I noticed the style  similarities.
 
2013-07-06 03:06:30 PM

cman: What Egypt needs is for the government to listen to its people.


What egypt needs is to recognize the rights of the opposition instead of constantly trying to destroy them.  The US has its manifold faults but this is not one of them.
 
2013-07-06 04:27:59 PM

Revek: cman: What Egypt needs is for the government to listen to its people.

What egypt needs is to recognize the rights of the opposition instead of constantly trying to destroy them.  The US has its manifold faults but this is not one of them.


But even here, sometimes the biggest fault should not be, due to the Bill of Rights.  It's specifically and explicitly laid out time and again by the Founding Fathers: Liberty trumps even democracy.  Where liberty and some other right clash, unless there is an extremely compelling interest (like the commission of a crime), liberty must always take precedence.  That's what many people on all sides sometimes fail to understand.  And it's pretty much why the Bill of Rights was drafted in the first place: No one, no matter how many people want it, can take away someone's liberty without their permission or a compelling reason to remove it.
 
2013-07-06 04:30:53 PM
Is the Sick tag on vacation?

/Hopefully not on a trip to Egypt
 
2013-07-06 04:34:04 PM
fark you, editorial writer, and fark anyone who's in favor of Pinochet.
 
2013-07-06 04:34:22 PM

Revek: cman: What Egypt needs is for the government to listen to its people.

What egypt needs is to recognize the rights of the opposition instead of constantly trying to destroy them.  The US has its manifold faults but this is not one of them.


I would love to live in whichever parallel universe you inhabit. Unless you haven't managed to get rid of the Cybermen.
 
2013-07-06 04:35:02 PM
As a bonus, if all goes to plan, we'll eventually get an awesome musical about the wife of a Libyan leader in a few decades.
 
2013-07-06 04:39:34 PM
It's just like Jesus said: Money is the most important thing in life.
 
2013-07-06 04:41:04 PM
Perfect Strangers sucked!
 
2013-07-06 04:41:05 PM
I usually get slightly annoyed with people telling me they stop following the news because shiat´s all retarded. Today I sympathize with them a bit more.

Please be satire.
 
2013-07-06 04:43:54 PM
Would have thought that they would mention Ataturk. He would have been a better regional example, but Pinochet???? Is the WSJ officially fascist now?
 
2013-07-06 04:50:50 PM
Disgusting.
 
2013-07-06 04:52:40 PM

Tabak: Would have thought that they would mention Ataturk. He would have been a better regional example, but Pinochet???? Is the WSJ officially fascist now?


Now?
 
2013-07-06 04:56:22 PM
So... they believe that a dictatorship will selflessly preside over the dismantling of its own power and usher in a new age of freedom? Where have I heard that one before?

quotationsbook.com
"My own contribution was (1) to show that the existence of classes is merely bound up with certain historical phases in the development of production; (2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat; [and] (3) that this dictatorship, itself, constitutes no more than a transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society."
Yep, that went precisely according to plan.
 
2013-07-06 05:00:12 PM
Go fark yourself, WSJ. Any Pinochet apologists should be rounded up and shot in soccer stadiums.
 
2013-07-06 05:03:14 PM
This one sentence perfectly encapsulates why our species is doomed:

"The Chilean dictator presided over the torture and murder of thousands, yet still the free-market right reveres his name "
 
2013-07-06 05:03:20 PM
Somehow sounds like an authoritarian wet dream.
 
2013-07-06 05:07:36 PM
What would Egypt do with a Spanish speaking leader?
 
2013-07-06 05:07:39 PM
FTA: That's what happened in Chile after 1973, causing the deaths of between 1,000 and 3,000 people. Around 30,000 were tortured.

Well, given what's already happened in Syria alone, it wouldn't be this year's worst fiasco.
 
2013-07-06 05:10:21 PM
Brutal dictators are bad unless they're our friendly brutal dictators.  I'm surprised they didn't mention Batista or Franco.
 
2013-07-06 05:13:57 PM

Tarl3k: This one sentence perfectly encapsulates why our species is doomed:

"The Chilean dictator presided over the torture and murder of thousands, yet still the free-market right reveres his name "


Death to those who oppose Friedman!
 
2013-07-06 05:14:09 PM
Everything was fine with Egypt's system until the constitution was shut off by dickless here.
 
2013-07-06 05:16:05 PM
Hey what about all the good things Hitler did?
 
2013-07-06 05:18:14 PM
It's amazing how BBC and Aljazeera coveratahsin cusses how Egypt got to this place, what will happen next, and is hopeful for the future. US media coverage is 100% alarmist OMG CIVIL WAR (might happen).
 
2013-07-06 05:19:11 PM
I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.  Reverence is hardly the most accurate term, but I expect nothing less from the Guardian.
 
2013-07-06 05:19:33 PM
And I mean Morsi, obviously, not the military.
 
2013-07-06 05:26:15 PM
Or presumably, presumably.
 
2013-07-06 05:28:29 PM

State_College_Arsonist: I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.  Reverence is hardly the most accurate term, but I expect nothing less from the Guardian.


Try this guy.

whiskeyandcarkeys.org

Or how about...

media.salon.com
 
2013-07-06 05:29:03 PM
I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.

THIS. He did succeed. He cleaned up Chile quite well. Nasty cure, but it worked. The Left endlessly trashes Pinochet as the worst thing since Hitler, but mainly because he stopped another glorious socialist revolution. Leftists don't give a damm about saving Chile from another socialist meltdown, they're just outraged  "their team" lost one....
 
2013-07-06 05:34:53 PM

mark12A: I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.

THIS. He did succeed. He cleaned up Chile quite well. Nasty cure, but it worked. The Left endlessly trashes Pinochet as the worst thing since Hitler, but mainly because he stopped another glorious socialist revolution. Leftists don't give a damm about saving Chile from another socialist meltdown, they're just outraged  "their team" lost one....


Hitler also persecuted the commies and managed to rebuild Germany's economy.  He screwed up with the two-front war thing however.  So what if he killed a few million Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals.  You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs amirite?

It's also pretty funny that you managed to prove that poster wrong and are completely oblivious about it.
 
2013-07-06 05:35:01 PM

mark12A: I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.

THIS. He did succeed. He cleaned up Chile quite well. Nasty cure, but it worked. The Left endlessly trashes Pinochet as the worst thing since Hitler, but mainly because he stopped another glorious socialist revolution. Leftists don't give a damm about saving Chile from another socialist meltdown, they're just outraged  "their team" lost one....


Your brush is wide but it paints with sickly shade of hatred green.
 
2013-07-06 05:36:14 PM

mark12A: I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.

THIS. He did succeed. He cleaned up Chile quite well. Nasty cure, but it worked. The Left endlessly trashes Pinochet as the worst thing since Hitler, but mainly because he stopped another glorious socialist revolution. Leftists don't give a damm about saving Chile from another socialist meltdown, they're just outraged  "their team" lost one....


This is what it looks like when the only thing you value is money.
 
2013-07-06 05:40:56 PM
Really WSJ; who do you think Mubarak was, Churchill?!
 
2013-07-06 05:41:39 PM

BarkingUnicorn: So the WSJ's editorial board consists of American Thinker contributors.  I noticed the style  similarities.


That's what happens when Murdoch gets their hands on a newspaper, the IQ of the paper is reduced by 40%.
 
2013-07-06 05:42:06 PM

mark12A: I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.

THIS. He did succeed. He cleaned up Chile quite well. Nasty cure, but it worked. The Left endlessly trashes Pinochet as the worst thing since Hitler, but mainly because he stopped another glorious socialist revolution. Leftists don't give a damm about saving Chile from another socialist meltdown, they're just outraged  "their team" lost one....


And this guy had a passion for making lots of children smile.  Let's not trash him over the 33 (well, 33 we know of) bad things he did.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-06 05:50:37 PM
- the editorial was unsigned -

Cowards.
 
2013-07-06 05:58:53 PM
Another thing:  A Pinochet in Egypt would likely lead to situations like an 11-year-old girl having to carry a rape-baby to term because abortion is totally illegal.
 
2013-07-06 06:02:37 PM

IlGreven: Another thing:  A Pinochet in Egypt would likely lead to situations like an 11-year-old girl having to carry a rape-baby to term because abortion is totally illegal.


You say that like Republicans give a shiat.
 
2013-07-06 06:03:16 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Go fark yourself, WSJ. Any Pinochet apologists should be rounded up and shot in soccer stadiums.


That sounds about right. Kill millions to show that it's wrong to kill 3,000.

Fart_Machine: Hitler also persecuted the commies and managed to rebuild Germany's economy. He screwed up with the two-front war thing however. So what if he killed a few million Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs amirite?


Three thousand people dead across a multi-decade long anti-rebel initiative. America's killed more civilians than that in less time fighting terrorism. Hell, Obama's killed more innocents than that. That exactly the same thing as the Holocaust.
 
2013-07-06 06:04:18 PM

theknuckler_33: - the editorial was unsigned -

Cowards.


Yep.  That pretty much sums it up.
 
2013-07-06 06:05:51 PM

cman: What Egypt needs is for the government to listen to its people.


Instant thread failure.

They're Muslims. We don't want that because The Road to the Caliphate isn't the name of this Abbot and Costello movie.

But yes, elections aren't legitimate unless the election winner plays nice with Herr Obama. Or the next American Pseudo President for that matter.
 
2013-07-06 06:05:55 PM

Fart_Machine: State_College_Arsonist: I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.  Reverence is hardly the most accurate term, but I expect nothing less from the Guardian.

Try this guy.

[whiskeyandcarkeys.org image 298x279]

Or how about...

[media.salon.com image 750x500]


Probably more importantly:

cnngps.files.wordpress.com

Miracle of Chile
 
2013-07-06 06:07:27 PM

Fart_Machine: mark12A: I can't say that I've ever met an economist or conservative thinker who "revered" Pinochet for his turn towards free-market ideals.   It's more a case of recognizing that Pinochet, while being a murderous dictator, did try to break Chile's cycle of economic failure using free-market policies.

THIS. He did succeed. He cleaned up Chile quite well. Nasty cure, but it worked. The Left endlessly trashes Pinochet as the worst thing since Hitler, but mainly because he stopped another glorious socialist revolution. Leftists don't give a damm about saving Chile from another socialist meltdown, they're just outraged  "their team" lost one....

Hitler also persecuted the commies and managed to rebuild Germany's economy.  He screwed up with the two-front war thing however.  So what if he killed a few million Jews, Gypsies, and homosexuals.  You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs amirite?

It's also pretty funny that you managed to prove that poster wrong and are completely oblivious about it.


Well, quite a few conservative American capitalists at the time DID support Hitler. A few even tried to have the American government overthrown in favor of a fascist one.
 
2013-07-06 06:09:09 PM

State_College_Arsonist: but I expect nothing less from the Guardian.


I'm sure you mean the WSJ.
 
2013-07-06 06:10:54 PM

Mrbogey: Three thousand people dead across a multi-decade long anti-rebel initiative. America's killed more civilians than that in less time fighting terrorism. Hell, Obama's killed more innocents than that. That exactly the same thing as the Holocaust.


Yup Obama rounded up civilians and tortured and murdered them.  You're a moran.
 
2013-07-06 06:11:21 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Instant thread failure.


Haha yeah OK.
 
2013-07-06 06:11:58 PM

Mrbogey: That sounds about right. Kill millions to show that it's wrong to kill 3,000.


There are millions of Pinochet apologists?
 
2013-07-06 06:13:12 PM
What an ugly blue uniform and hat.
 
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