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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-06 10:31:21 AM  
I'm not sure I can even get five. How many customers, offered only the top three varieties, would refuse to buy an apple out of loyalty to their favorite? We had an article describing how that is Trader Joe's general policy: only stock a few kinds of each thing to cut overhead.
 
2013-07-06 10:34:04 AM  

ZAZ: How many customers, offered only the top three varieties, would refuse to buy an apple out of loyalty to their favorite?


If my only options are red delicious or granny smith, more than likely I won't be buying apples.
 
2013-07-06 11:07:54 AM  

Aarontology: If my only options are red delicious or granny smith, more than likely I won't be buying apples.


I grew up eating only those, because that's what was available. So I never really liked apples that much. I thought they were OK, but nothing I just went crazy over. Then a few weeks ago, I tried some Honeycrisp and couldn't believe how good they were. Now I have to have apples every time I go to the grocery, and I usually try any new kind I see. I hate that I missed out all those years!
 
2013-07-06 11:26:30 AM  

ZAZ: I'm not sure I can even get five. How many customers, offered only the top three varieties, would refuse to buy an apple out of loyalty to their favorite? We had an article describing how that is Trader Joe's general policy: only stock a few kinds of each thing to cut overhead.


Many of these varietals won't ever likely be destined for widespread distribution through supermarket chains, but that isn't the point.  Just cultivating them again and selling them through farmer's markets is enough to make sure that they don't ever completely disappear.  There's enough demand from the foodie crowd to rescue a lot of heirloom crops and livestock, and anything that results in increased agricultural biodiversity in the face of an increasingly corporate agricultural industry is a good thing.
 
2013-07-06 11:54:26 AM  
Come to Fairway. I think they have a dozen.

/Team Jonagold!
 
2013-07-06 11:58:06 AM  

skinnycatullus: Aarontology: If my only options are red delicious or granny smith, more than likely I won't be buying apples.

I grew up eating only those, because that's what was available. So I never really liked apples that much. I thought they were OK, but nothing I just went crazy over. Then a few weeks ago, I tried some Honeycrisp and couldn't believe how good they were. Now I have to have apples every time I go to the grocery, and I usually try any new kind I see. I hate that I missed out all those years!


Same here, growing up. I love the variety now days, but you have look local. I have a good retired friend who loves a good apple and grows beautiful but not commercial apples on his farm west of the gap in Penn

/gets apples from Delicious Orchards. Bonus: Laird's Apple Jack is just down the road
 
2013-07-06 01:18:52 PM  

JerseyTim: Come to Fairway. I think they have a dozen.

/Team Jonagold!


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For the Long Island crowd.
 
2013-07-06 01:24:56 PM  
"Blue Peahmain," she marveled. "My ma had one in her yahd."

Sounds painful.
 
2013-07-06 02:36:06 PM  
Local Hy-Vee has 8-12 varieties of apple, some locally grown.

I pooh-pooh the article.

Red Delicious are not what they used to be. Honey Crisps are good.
 
2013-07-06 02:36:50 PM  

skinnycatullus: Aarontology: If my only options are red delicious or granny smith, more than likely I won't be buying apples.

I grew up eating only those, because that's what was available. So I never really liked apples that much. I thought they were OK, but nothing I just went crazy over. Then a few weeks ago, I tried some Honeycrisp and couldn't believe how good they were. Now I have to have apples every time I go to the grocery, and I usually try any new kind I see. I hate that I missed out all those years!


This
 
2013-07-06 02:37:44 PM  
ROYAL GALA UP IN THIS PIECE..... WHAT
 
2013-07-06 02:37:54 PM  
Who really gives a fark when Honey Crisps are in season?  So good when chilled on a stifling hot day like today.
 
2013-07-06 02:38:23 PM  
Fark apples, bring me crates of these instead.

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// apples are at near the bottom of my fruit ranking. Yeah, I eat apples, but I'm never like, damn, I need to get me some more apples because that was delicious. Yes, even honeycrisp is just an apple to me.

// I grew up with guava, soursop, passionfruit, mango and papaya trees in my grandmother's yard, and a variety of other delicious fruits that I can't get here in the US, so I might be biased a bit.
 
2013-07-06 02:43:23 PM  

lordargent: / I grew up with guava, soursop, passionfruit, mango and papaya trees in my grandmother's yard, and a variety of other delicious fruits that I can't get here in the US, so I might be biased a bit.


You can find all of those in the U.S..  Well, the soursop might be a little tough.
 
das
2013-07-06 02:43:50 PM  
In NE Ohio try a Pink Lady!!!
 
2013-07-06 02:46:55 PM  
I imagine it is because most of them don't look nice on the shelf. People don't like weird or deformed looking fruit.
 
2013-07-06 02:48:31 PM  
I am dumbfounded as to why the red "delicious" apple dominates the market so well. Red delicious apples, frankly, SUCK. They are mealy, mushy, and have no acidity or flavor other than sweet. Simply awful apples, I've never had a firm tasty red delicious. They're bad for eating, and bad for baking. Fujis, Pink ladies, and honeycrisps, on the other hand... why don't these apples dominate the market? I just don't get it.
 
2013-07-06 02:51:13 PM  
Huh.  Maybe it's because I've lived in Michigan all my life, but I've never had the problem the article is talking about, unless I try to get all my produce at Wal-Mart or some other national chain.  With most of the local grocery chains, it seems like there's a new type of  Johna Honey Ida Gold Delicious in the apple bins every month, and the local orchards advertise about 20 different varieties that you can go pick yourself.  Yes, we have a steady supply of Red Delicious, Golden Delicious, and Granny Smith in the produce aisle, but they still rotate in a bajillion other varieties depending on the season.
 
2013-07-06 02:52:15 PM  
 
2013-07-06 02:52:37 PM  
With Apple Hill only '26 minutes' from my house, the supermarket is my last resource for apples.
 
2013-07-06 02:52:49 PM  

Tunacrab: I am dumbfounded as to why the red "delicious" apple dominates the market so well. Red delicious apples, frankly, SUCK. They are mealy, mushy, and have no acidity or flavor other than sweet. Simply awful apples, I've never had a firm tasty red delicious. They're bad for eating, and bad for baking. Fujis, Pink ladies, and honeycrisps, on the other hand... why don't these apples dominate the market? I just don't get it.


I concur.

Red delicious apples are worst apples.

/love me some granny smith or honeycrisp
//thanks subby. Interesting link.
 
2013-07-06 02:53:14 PM  
tl: bored me to tears
 
2013-07-06 02:53:54 PM  

Tunacrab: I am dumbfounded as to why the red "delicious" apple dominates the market so well.


Because pretty.  Our eyes eat before our tummies.
 
2013-07-06 02:54:00 PM  
That's one major thing I miss about living in NJ / working jobs in upstate New York.

Cortland apples.  farking loved cortland apples.
 
2013-07-06 02:54:20 PM  

inclemency: Tunacrab: I am dumbfounded as to why the red "delicious" apple dominates the market so well. Red delicious apples, frankly, SUCK. They are mealy, mushy, and have no acidity or flavor other than sweet. Simply awful apples, I've never had a firm tasty red delicious. They're bad for eating, and bad for baking. Fujis, Pink ladies, and honeycrisps, on the other hand... why don't these apples dominate the market? I just don't get it.

I concur.

Red delicious apples are worst apples.

/love me some granny smith or honeycrisp
//thanks subby. Interesting link.


This
 
2013-07-06 02:54:45 PM  
There are some awesome varieties in northern michigan that have to be hand picked and bruise too easily to be shipped long distances.
 
2013-07-06 02:55:24 PM  

Tunacrab: I am dumbfounded as to why the red "delicious" apple dominates the market so well.


Because consumers find it appealing to see something in the produce section that's so big, shiny, and deep red.

After they buy it and take it home, who cares if it's any good for eating?
 
2013-07-06 02:58:26 PM  

das: In NE Ohio try a Pink Lady!!!


Hm...sounds sexy.

Do they have apple bottoms? Because count me in.
 
2013-07-06 03:00:17 PM  

Fast Moon: Huh.  Maybe it's because I've lived in Michigan all my life, but I've never had the problem the article is talking about, unless I try to get all my produce at Wal-Mart or some other national chain.  With most of the local grocery chains, it seems like there's a new type of  Johna Honey Ida Gold Delicious in the apple bins every month, and the local orchards advertise about 20 different varieties that you can go pick yourself.  Yes, we have a steady supply of Red Delicious, Golden Delicious, and Granny Smith in the produce aisle, but they still rotate in a bajillion other varieties depending on the season.


That's the issue.  Farmer's Markets, Whole Foods, small local chains, etc, may very well stock locally grown and lesser known varieties, but they don't have the purchasing power of Wal-Mart, Kroger, Safeway, and the other big national grocery conglomerates.  Those stores want to simplify the supply chain and drive down costs, so they encourage growers to grow specific types that they know sell well throughout their range.

Fighting against that and keeping lesser known varieties alive, as well as making them available to more people, is a noble cause.
 
2013-07-06 03:00:21 PM  
People classify apples beyond "red ones" and "green ones"?
 
2013-07-06 03:04:02 PM  

Fast Moon: Huh.  Maybe it's because I've lived in Michigan all my life, but I've never had the problem the article is talking about, unless I try to get all my produce at Wal-Mart or some other national chain.  With most of the local grocery chains, it seems like there's a new type of  Johna Honey Ida Gold Delicious in the apple bins every month, and the local orchards advertise about 20 different varieties that you can go pick yourself.  Yes, we have a steady supply of Red Delicious, Golden Delicious, and Granny Smith in the produce aisle, but they still rotate in a bajillion other varieties depending on the season.


I just tickled my three blueberry bushes.. they gave me pie for tomorrow ... mmmm pie
 
2013-07-06 03:04:27 PM  

Aarontology: ZAZ: How many customers, offered only the top three varieties, would refuse to buy an apple out of loyalty to their favorite?

If my only options are red delicious or granny smith, more than likely I won't be buying apples.


Me too. I hate red delicious. I give them to the dog.
 
2013-07-06 03:08:06 PM  
thamike: You can find all of those in the U.S.. Well, the soursop might be a little tough.

It was more the "variety of other fruits" that I can't find.

For example, where the hell do I buy ginuep

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Or a custard apple (sweet sop)

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// or a coco plum, breadfruit, cashew fruit, star apple, etc

// or papaya, (and not that giant mutant practically seedless stuff they ship here from Mexico either, I'm talking small sweet like candy papaya with seeds intact).

www.uncommoncaribbean.com

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2013-07-06 03:10:02 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: That's one major thing I miss about living in NJ / working jobs in upstate New York.

Cortland apples.  farking loved cortland apples.


Cortlands are the best.
 
2013-07-06 03:12:20 PM  
Give me Granny Smith or give me death.

(Small ones, preferably)
 
2013-07-06 03:12:41 PM  
Honey Crisp apples are f*cking perfect. They will be the dominant apple type in 20 years.
 
2013-07-06 03:13:04 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: People classify apples beyond "red ones" and "green ones"?



"Apples that are in a pie" and "apples that should be in a pie."
 
2013-07-06 03:16:43 PM  

FloydA: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: People classify apples beyond "red ones" and "green ones"?


"Apples that are in a pie" and "apples that should be in a pie."


Only green apples belong in pie.
 
2013-07-06 03:16:44 PM  
Apples are only good for pie... or as a peanut butter delivery system.

By the way... Does everybody else run all their produce as "Bananas" at the self checkout?
 
2013-07-06 03:18:48 PM  

Oldiron_79: FloydA: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: People classify apples beyond "red ones" and "green ones"?


"Apples that are in a pie" and "apples that should be in a pie."

Only green apples belong in pie.


OK, "apples that belong in a pie" and "apples that should be made into cider."
 
2013-07-06 03:22:24 PM  

FloydA: Oldiron_79: FloydA: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: People classify apples beyond "red ones" and "green ones"?


"Apples that are in a pie" and "apples that should be in a pie."

Only green apples belong in pie.

OK, "apples that belong in a pie" and "apples that should be made into cider."


Green apples are also for cider. Red apples are for cretins.
 
2013-07-06 03:28:03 PM  

Rozinante: Satanic_Hamster: That's one major thing I miss about living in NJ / working jobs in upstate New York.

Cortland apples.  farking loved cortland apples.

Cortlands are the best.


I KNOW.

Can't get them in Texas.

:(
 
2013-07-06 03:29:20 PM  
Big fan of the Cameo
 
2013-07-06 03:32:11 PM  
For some, it's a half dozen of this or a half dozen of that, but you're only getting five at your supermarket

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Five head?
 
2013-07-06 03:32:35 PM  
Meh, just went to Safeway, at least 10 varieties.

Go to a produce place or farmers market and get more.

That said, I was raised pretty much entirely on McIntosh and Granny Smith. The former being fresh, local, cheap, and available everywhere. The latter being the only ones my sister would eat.
 
2013-07-06 03:33:35 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Fast Moon: Huh.  Maybe it's because I've lived in Michigan all my life, but I've never had the problem the article is talking about, unless I try to get all my produce at Wal-Mart or some other national chain.  With most of the local grocery chains, it seems like there's a new type of  Johna Honey Ida Gold Delicious in the apple bins every month, and the local orchards advertise about 20 different varieties that you can go pick yourself.  Yes, we have a steady supply of Red Delicious, Golden Delicious, and Granny Smith in the produce aisle, but they still rotate in a bajillion other varieties depending on the season.

That's the issue.  Farmer's Markets, Whole Foods, small local chains, etc, may very well stock locally grown and lesser known varieties, but they don't have the purchasing power of Wal-Mart, Kroger, Safeway, and the other big national grocery conglomerates.  Those stores want to simplify the supply chain and drive down costs, so they encourage growers to grow specific types that they know sell well throughout their range.

Fighting against that and keeping lesser known varieties alive, as well as making them available to more people, is a noble cause.


I don't know about Kroger. They've been rebuilding stores in this area, and expanding their produce sections. Artisan cheeses and apples have been the big thing, here, along with wine and organic foods. In the article's list, I'd seen and bought everything down to the Braeburn, and might have seen a Jonagold but passed because of the description (yes, they describe the mealy-ness, sweat/sour, thin/thick skin, etc). Same for pears, there are usually 3 to 5 varieties that change over the seasons.

But, while they've increased the apple variety, they shrank oranges down to 'naval' and 'cara cara navel', and the occasional blood orange. Having been to Florida every year or so since I was little, I miss the wide range of juicing oranges, and everything that isn't a navel orange. I miss the Hamlins and Homosassas most. And grapes still come in just red/white seeds/seedless variety, and it's left up to the buyer to guess where they grew.

So big buying power doesn't have to mean fewer choices, if the stores are doing things right.
 
2013-07-06 03:34:52 PM  
I haven't had a GOOD apple since I moved from Pennsylvania, but the closest I've found has been something called a "Pacific Rose."  Not bad.  Never knew how spoiled we were for great apples until I moved away.

I miss McIntosh Apple sauce.  And McIntosh's in general.
 
2013-07-06 03:35:52 PM  

lordargent: thamike: You can find all of those in the U.S.. Well, the soursop might be a little tough.

It was more the "variety of other fruits" that I can't find.

For example, where the hell do I buy ginuep

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Or a custard apple (sweet sop)

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// or a coco plum, breadfruit, cashew fruit, star apple, etc

// or papaya, (and not that giant mutant practically seedless stuff they ship here from Mexico either, I'm talking small sweet like candy papaya with seeds intact).

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VS

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I do believe you are from the Caribbean, and the answer is that all those are available on Church Avenue in Flatbush Brooklyn.
 
2013-07-06 03:42:35 PM  
Red Delicious used to be good, but they started breeding them for looks over taste back a few decades ago, with the result... well, you already know that.

I confess to being spoiled when it comes to apples.  Maine has always had a lot of orchards, and there were at least three within ten minutes drive of my house when I was growing up.  The number has increased since then.  And several of them have heirloom varieties, which makes me happy.  There's even one that is almost exclusive to Maine- the Black Oxford.  This is one that actually tastes better after it's been stored for a while; the variety was developed in the 19th century and was always meant for wintering over.

/Would commit mayhem for a reliable source of Winesaps.
 
2013-07-06 03:46:45 PM  
I like Granny Smiths, but I've never understood the appeal of Red "Delicious". Fell in love with the first Fuji I had. Would love to try more varieties.
 
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