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(Digital Spy)   The Wii-U is in dire straits. Apparently, Nintendo's fanbase won't spend money for nothing and have no problem doing a skateaway from the company's latest industrial disease   (digitalspy.com) divider line 163
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2013-07-06 12:40:36 PM
Wake me when they put a Zelda game on it.
 
2013-07-06 12:51:06 PM
Ah yes, every console has to offer all the games every other console does or it sucks. Great analysis there.
 
2013-07-06 01:27:23 PM
Make another Dragon Warrior game and put it on it.  Then, I might be your system.
 
2013-07-06 01:45:17 PM
Perhaps they prefer to spend their money at the Tunnel of Love
 
2013-07-06 01:45:58 PM

WhyteRaven74: Ah yes, every console has to offer all the games every other console does or it sucks. Great analysis there.


It's a business case.  If those are the top 3-5 titles with the largest base, then it simply makes a good business case that your platform should offer those titles.  Not having them cuts your platform out of a huge part of the action.
 
2013-07-06 01:58:47 PM

remus: WhyteRaven74: Ah yes, every console has to offer all the games every other console does or it sucks. Great analysis there.

It's a business case.  If those are the top 3-5 titles with the largest base, then it simply makes a good business case that your platform should offer those titles.  Not having them cuts your platform out of a huge part of the action.


The Wii U wasn't really designed with Call of Duty, Battlefield, or EA Sports Game #387 in mind. Nintendo needs to go with innovation from publishers...not yearly franchises. They need to clamp down on crap titles from third party (The Seal of Quality meant something in the NES and SNES days) and get good exclusive titles out.
 
2013-07-06 01:58:59 PM
Nice headline, Subs.

/Wanders off to listen to Telegraph Road.
 
2013-07-06 02:03:45 PM
And yet the company doesn't give a sh*t cause the 3DS is actually doing things now. Everyone I know is playing AC.
 
2013-07-06 02:30:20 PM

quatchi: Nice headline, Subs.

/Wanders off to listen to Telegraph Road.


quatchi: Nice headline, Subs.

/Wanders off to listen to Telegraph Road.


It's the walk of life.
 
2013-07-06 02:33:04 PM
Have they made Dungeons and Dragons U yet?

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// because otherwise, what use is that giant ass tablet?
 
2013-07-06 02:34:55 PM

lordargent: Have they made Dungeons and Dragons U yet?

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// because otherwise, what use is that giant ass tablet?


Smart, challenging, well-designed games which require active input from the user to become worthwhile purchases don't sell these days.
 
2013-07-06 02:39:06 PM
Nintendo should make a $100 Wii-HD console that only plays Nintendo games (Mario, Zelda, Metriod, etc.. as those sell the best anyway), sell the games at $30 and they will make a killing. With the games not needing awesome realistic graphics they can use cost effective parts to keep the console price down. And get rid of the motion controls, use wireless gamecube-like controllers or the wii classic controllers only.

Or just license the franchises to MS and Sony and make a killing as a software company, or sell out to the highest bidder for exclusivity to one other console.
 
2013-07-06 02:44:01 PM

Aar1012: remus: WhyteRaven74: Ah yes, every console has to offer all the games every other console does or it sucks. Great analysis there.

It's a business case.  If those are the top 3-5 titles with the largest base, then it simply makes a good business case that your platform should offer those titles.  Not having them cuts your platform out of a huge part of the action.

The Wii U wasn't really designed with Call of Duty, Battlefield, or EA Sports Game #387 in mind. Nintendo needs to go with innovation from publishers...not yearly franchises. They need to clamp down on crap titles from third party (The Seal of Quality meant something in the NES and SNES days) and get good exclusive titles out.


So they're dumping Mario, Zelda, and all the racing/fighting cross overs?
 
2013-07-06 02:45:52 PM
The Wii-U is in dire straits. Apparently, Nintendo's fanbase won't spend money for nothing and have no problem doing a skateaway from the company's latest industrial disease

Maybe they should have added some chicks for free.
 
2013-07-06 02:55:55 PM

Aar1012: remus: WhyteRaven74: Ah yes, every console has to offer all the games every other console does or it sucks. Great analysis there.

It's a business case.  If those are the top 3-5 titles with the largest base, then it simply makes a good business case that your platform should offer those titles.  Not having them cuts your platform out of a huge part of the action.

The Wii U wasn't really designed with Call of Duty, Battlefield, or EA Sports Game #387 in mind. Nintendo needs to go with innovation from publishers...not yearly franchises. They need to clamp down on crap titles from third party (The Seal of Quality meant something in the NES and SNES days) and get good exclusive titles out.


And that will never happen, because publishers and devs see no money to be made with the WiiU.
 
2013-07-06 03:01:53 PM
I'm pretty sure Nintendo has weathered some severe storms in the past.  I wouldn't predict their demise just yet.  Sadly I'm in a demographic game companies can't reach as I have stopped playing games until I finish grad school.

/no student loans, saved the money to pay for it.
 
2013-07-06 03:04:24 PM
Surely no one takes Pachter seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8R4BAQf7is
 
2013-07-06 03:08:20 PM
The guy at gamestop did his damnedest to get me to buy a Wii U.  I'm not into Mario or Zelda anymore, so there is no reason for me to buy the system.  I told him again and again that they have no games that catch my interest and he just kept going on and on.  I get that the company makes them push crap, but the company as a whole needs to realize that if you keep on at people it's going to get where they don't even come in anymore.  Plus generally gamers who go in there already know what they want before they go in the door or they are there to browse used games.  I seriously doubt your going to get someone off the street who walks in to browse and walks away with a 300 dollar console.
 
2013-07-06 03:08:58 PM
People have been predicting Nintendo's demise since the early 90's. They'll extremely unlikely to overtake Microsoft and Sony like they did with the Wii, but once the Zeldas and stuff hit the shelves they'll sell units, enough to keep the cash flowing. Nintendo doesn't do the 'take a huge hit on unprofitable hardware, recoup that money on software' appraoch. They basically turn a profit on everything that's sold
 
2013-07-06 03:10:44 PM

Aar1012: remus: WhyteRaven74: Ah yes, every console has to offer all the games every other console does or it sucks. Great analysis there.

It's a business case.  If those are the top 3-5 titles with the largest base, then it simply makes a good business case that your platform should offer those titles.  Not having them cuts your platform out of a huge part of the action.

The Wii U wasn't really designed with Call of Duty, Battlefield, or EA Sports Game #387 in mind. Nintendo needs to go with innovation from publishers...not yearly franchises. They need to clamp down on crap titles from third party (The Seal of Quality meant something in the NES and SNES days) and get good exclusive titles out.


But it's a Catch-22.  Game developers don't want to devote the resources to make quality games for a system if they don't sell games, but they don't sell games because they don't devote resources to make quality games.

My opinion is this stems back to the Wii: the major third party designers had no idea what the hell to do with the Wii, so they tried two routes.  First, they ported their best series over to the Wii, but that was difficult because the Wii had graphical limitations and a controller that was radically different.  So their games didn't come off as well on the Wii because they didn't intelligently port the games and instead had games with frame rate issues and half baked motion controls.  The second route was to come up with something new that was designed for the Wii, such as Boom Blox.  The issue there was that these games didn't normally have the sales that they expected given the size of the Wii's customer base.  I would guess this is due in large part to the fact that the Wii had a fan base that was more looking for cheap mini games akin to Wii Sports or party games like Guitar Hero or Let's Dance and most developers couldn't figure out how to grab that audience.

As a result, a lot of major developers are writing off the Wii U from the start because they're faced with the same situation.  They have a technology that's different than what they're used to working with and games aren't selling as quickly as they'd like.  The Wii U is different because the sales haven't taken off as much as the Wii's did, in large part because there hasn't been that game that grabbed everyone's attention like Wii Sports.  So rather than take the time to come up with something that can make a lot of money on the Wii U, it's easier and safer to stick with the XBox and the Playstation and keep doing the same things for a core audience.
 
2013-07-06 03:16:47 PM
A star trek simu;ator where the big screen is the engineer would rule
 
2013-07-06 03:17:01 PM
"If Activision pulls support; if you see Ubisoft, you see Take-Two pull support, the Wii U is a Nintendo-only gaming device which is the way they were back with the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985.

If we could go back to games (especially RPGs) like on the NES and SNES, I would buy a WIIU
 
2013-07-06 03:18:46 PM
Had they not alienated their third party game venders though dickish greed there would be a substantially larger games library and a much wider pool of game producers. So fark them.
 
2013-07-06 03:21:57 PM
FTA: "Pachter believes that Nintendo took too long to adopt HD, and that they won't sell consoles without franchises such asBattlefield,Call of Duty andGrand Theft Auto."

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Not what Nintendo does, nor should it be.

/ I cant wait for Call of Madden Auto Field XXIII !!!
 
2013-07-06 03:22:05 PM
My opinion will always be that the Wii found the large but completely unloyal casual gamer market. Casual gamers don't buy new consoles every five years, and Wii U sales reflect that. They do, however, buy smartphones and play the shiat out of Candy Crush.
 
2013-07-06 03:22:12 PM
Sold my Wii-U off soon after buying it.. I knew it was under powered etc to begin with but I'm also an avid tech junky and it intrigued me..   Once you get over the initial "NEW MARIO BROS GAME IN HD!" charm of the whole thing... It loses its charm super quickly..  Every Nintendo system, even the GameCube had that "Nintendo Charm" to it..  Wii-U was just a sterile HD box w/ a new controller that was never really used to any "Holy shiat" degree of innovation.  Never have I see the cardinal rule of "under promise and over deliver" so blatantly ignored.. Iwata continues to promise shiat and he never delivers.
 
2013-07-06 03:29:12 PM
I don't own a Wii-U yet because I'm broke as shiat. Same reason I won't be picking up the XBox One or PS4 any time soon.
 
2013-07-06 03:38:45 PM

The_Y2P_Problem: Aar1012: remus: WhyteRaven74: Ah yes, every console has to offer all the games every other console does or it sucks. Great analysis there.

It's a business case.  If those are the top 3-5 titles with the largest base, then it simply makes a good business case that your platform should offer those titles.  Not having them cuts your platform out of a huge part of the action.

The Wii U wasn't really designed with Call of Duty, Battlefield, or EA Sports Game #387 in mind. Nintendo needs to go with innovation from publishers...not yearly franchises. They need to clamp down on crap titles from third party (The Seal of Quality meant something in the NES and SNES days) and get good exclusive titles out.

But it's a Catch-22.  Game developers don't want to devote the resources to make quality games for a system if they don't sell games, but they don't sell games because they don't devote resources to make quality games.

My opinion is this stems back to the Wii: the major third party designers had no idea what the hell to do with the Wii, so they tried two routes.  First, they ported their best series over to the Wii, but that was difficult because the Wii had graphical limitations and a controller that was radically different.  So their games didn't come off as well on the Wii because they didn't intelligently port the games and instead had games with frame rate issues and half baked motion controls.  The second route was to come up with something new that was designed for the Wii, such as Boom Blox.  The issue there was that these games didn't normally have the sales that they expected given the size of the Wii's customer base.  I would guess this is due in large part to the fact that the Wii had a fan base that was more looking for cheap mini games akin to Wii Sports or party games like Guitar Hero or Let's Dance and most developers couldn't figure out how to grab that audience.

As a result, a lot of major developers are writing off the Wii U from the start because they ...


To an extent yea lot of it had to do with the Wii and imo how god awful it was after the hype went away.  However Nintendo themselves haven't help their own cause.  Most of their launch content was either more of the same or rehashes of games that came out on other consoles years ago.  They have some of the biggest characters to pull from such as the entire Mario franchise, Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Kirby, F-Zero, Star Fox, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Ikarus.  However for some reason they utterly refuse to put some of their top games on the console itself.....the only thing they've really ever done with pokemon on the console is as a companion to the hand held.  It really seems like Nintendo hasn't even been supporting their own console.  They just released Luigi's Mansion on the 3DS....sounds perfect for their console hardware but nope....Same with Donkey Kong Country.  Also they have tons of JRPGS and if they can be played on the 3DS doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to play it on the tablet.

This all comes on top of the painful Wii backwards compatibility, the Wii Ware store that is pretty bare even today, and is it just me or does $4.99 for an (S)NES games seem a bit insane.  Overall though it really just feels like the Wii U was rushed to get pushed out first and it's going to suffer because of it.  Not saying Nintendo is dead, they can live off their handheld profits alone.
 
2013-07-06 03:44:56 PM
The Nintendo Wii U "is in a world of trouble", according to Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter.

Who?
 
2013-07-06 03:47:19 PM

Frow: is it just me or does $4.99 for an (S)NES games seem a bit insane.


I don't know, kind of depends on the game.  An RPG like chronotrigger or Lufia or something like that I could see pay 5 dollars for.  Doesn't really strike me as excessive.  There is of course a supply and demand issue here to be considered.
 
2013-07-06 03:52:17 PM
The Wii-U is an interesting idea, but one which like many of Nintendo's interesting ideas will no doubt fail to be capitalized on. They'll probably end up with very, very few games which truly capitalize on the new hardware, and almost everything will have been able to be played with a normal controller just fine. If they had a D&D game like that Penny Arcade comic that was posted that kind of shiat might attract people to the console.

But also, they didn't bother putting any power under the hood either. The Wii-U isn't even as powerful as the current Xbox and Playstation. That's a pretty big whiff by Nintendo. Graphics power isn't everything, you don't have to have the most powerful console to succeed... But you do have to be competitive, and the Wii-U isn't going to be competitive in the power department by the end of the year when the next generations of Sony and Microsoft's consoles come out. If I, and many other people, are going to plunk down cash for the next gen of console most people will want to get next gen graphics power for our money as well.

This isn't the death knell for Nintendo or anything - they've bounced back from failed console releases before - but I think the Wii-U is going to end up being one of the failures, rather than successes. That's too bad, since there's a good chance they won't take as many chances with their next console when this one could have been much more successful if they just didn't get chincy with the graphics power and made sure they had a good collection of games which really capitalized on the new controller's potential.
 
2013-07-06 03:57:21 PM

lordargent: Have they made Dungeons and Dragons U yet?

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// because otherwise, what use is that giant ass tablet?


That would make me squee.  OTOH as others have said, why buy a Nintendo console that has almost no Nintendo titles for it?  Nobody buys a Wii/WiiU or 3DS for 3rd party titles, it's why articles like this are kind of a joke.  Now if you want to see sales of the WiiU climb we need some Mario Kart, a decent new Zelda and maybe some Starfox/Lylat Wars as well.
 
2013-07-06 03:59:26 PM
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Wii-U? Wii-U? Wii-U?
 
2013-07-06 04:00:00 PM

mongbiohazard: But also, they didn't bother putting any power under the hood either. The Wii-U isn't even as powerful as the current Xbox and Playstation.


It's pretty much exactly as powerful as the 360 but with 2GB RAM; which is exactly what developers said they wanted.  Nintendo have learned that developers lie.
 
2013-07-06 04:01:38 PM

Aar1012: remus: WhyteRaven74: Ah yes, every console has to offer all the games every other console does or it sucks. Great analysis there.

It's a business case.  If those are the top 3-5 titles with the largest base, then it simply makes a good business case that your platform should offer those titles.  Not having them cuts your platform out of a huge part of the action.

The Wii U wasn't really designed with Call of Duty, Battlefield, or EA Sports Game #387 in mind. Nintendo needs to go with innovation from publishers...not yearly franchises. They need to clamp down on crap titles from third party (The Seal of Quality meant something in the NES and SNES days) and get good exclusive titles out.


The Seal of Quality just meant that Nintendo got their vig. There was a Hudson Hawk NES game for fark's sake!
 
2013-07-06 04:07:27 PM
I smartened up after the Wii.

There were too many missed opportunities with the Wii and it became a minigame haven.

Now I'm waiting for Nintendo to become a publisher and leverage their game creativity with better systems.
Android/iOS Picman would be terrific. Advanced wars on my phone, etc etc...
 
2013-07-06 04:08:38 PM
Nintendo isn't going out of business quite yet. People forget that the DS is the second highest selling console of all time (and it may still pass the PS2). However, I think it's at least an even money proposition that the Wii U will be the last non-handheld console Nintendo ever releases. After a few years, I look for them to be an entirely software and handheld company, releasing Mario, Zelda, etc., games on other people's consoles.
 
2013-07-06 04:10:04 PM
The problem is that it doesn't have a high profile game drive sales of the console.
The solution is Battle Toads.
 
2013-07-06 04:10:51 PM

oren0: Nintendo isn't going out of business quite yet. People forget that the DS is the second highest selling console of all time (and it may still pass the PS2). However, I think it's at least an even money proposition that the Wii U will be the last non-handheld console Nintendo ever releases. After a few years, I look for them to be an entirely software and handheld company, releasing Mario, Zelda, etc., games on other people's consoles.


People make this prediction about Nintendo every damned generation.
 
2013-07-06 04:12:28 PM

Vaneshi: mongbiohazard: But also, they didn't bother putting any power under the hood either. The Wii-U isn't even as powerful as the current Xbox and Playstation.

It's pretty much exactly as powerful as the 360 but with 2GB RAM; which is exactly what developers said they wanted.  Nintendo have learned that developers lie.


More RAM, slightly faster GPU, but much slower CPU... Yeah, I guess you're right that in the end it's pretty much a tossup. But that's a tossup compared against 7 year old hardware which is about to be obsoleted within the year! That's not the way to stay competitive... That's all I'm saying. Even if they didn't come out with a machine as powerful as the PS4 or Xbone they still should certainly have released their new console to be clearly more powerful than the current 7 year old console generation.
 
2013-07-06 04:13:35 PM
Nintendo needs to decide if they want to compete toe to toe in the console market.  If they do, then they are going to have to start working to attract 3rd party developers.

I suspect that the first thing that they could do is make sure that every console includes a standard controller as standard equipment.  As it stands, games developed for the PS3 or X Box 360 can be ported to the other system with minimal changes.  But that won't work for the Wii or Wii U as the controller is completely different.  If the system came with a traditional controller, developers could choose to do a unique version of the game to take advantage of the tablet and motion controls, or they can just port the existing version of the game.  Innovation is well and good.  But if they are so innovative that they alienate developers, it doesn't help anyone.

The second thing that they may need to change is developing underpowered consoles.  Like it or not, 3rd party developers spend a lot of time selling their games based on graphical performance.  Nintendo's console doesn't need to be better than the other two.  But it needs to be on par with them or at least quite close.  As it stands both the Wii and Wii U are seen as being a generation behind.  That will probably mean that they have to alter their strategy of developing a console that is profitable from day one.
 
2013-07-06 04:13:41 PM

SpaceBison: The problem is that it doesn't have a high profile game drive sales of the console.
The solution is Battle Toads.


Imagine the revenue they will make off of broken controller replacements along.
 
2013-07-06 04:13:44 PM
Nintendo needs to release only one secret weapon to completely dominate the competition: An intriguing, thorough, and well designed Pokemon MMORPG. We're still waiting Nintendo...
 
2013-07-06 04:14:23 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: FTA: "Pachter believes that Nintendo took too long to adopt HD, and that they won't sell consoles without franchises such asBattlefield,Call of Duty andGrand Theft Auto."

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Not what Nintendo does, nor should it be.

/ I cant wait for Call of Madden Auto Field XXIII !!!


This argument has always struck me as odd, considering Nintendo releases pretty much the same lineup of games for every system they put out. I realize that's what people want, I don't fault them for it, but it seems silly to knock other systems for the "same old, same old" since that's what Nintendo makes a living off of. I don't think Nintendo is anywhere near as creative and original these days as some people make them out to be. What was the last original IP Nintendo put out? Wii Music?
 
2013-07-06 04:22:29 PM
I see two big problems with the Wii U:

* Low-end hardware means customers are likely to get bored with it fast.
* How the hell do you market a home console that looks like a handheld console?
 
2013-07-06 04:33:54 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: / I cant wait for Call of Madden Auto Field XXIII !!!


How about the new Legend of Mario: Metroid Kong U?
 
2013-07-06 05:04:40 PM
The Virtual Boy failed to kill Nintendo, and the Wii U is nowhere near as big a farkup as that was. Plus, I have a feeling that, considering the money they made off the DS and Wii (and are finally starting to make off the 3DS), a rough new console launch isn't going to hurt them too badly.

/Don't own a WiiU. Will buy one when SSB4 comes out.
//Or Endless Ocean 3.
///Shut up, I can dream.
 
2013-07-06 05:05:20 PM

GreenAdder: I don't own a Wii-U yet because I'm broke as shiat. Same reason I won't be picking up the XBox One or PS4 any time soon.


Come now, there's plenty of far more pressing reasons to not buy an Xbox1 or the PS4 then financial ability.  Think of it as a blessing.
 
2013-07-06 05:16:01 PM
GreenAdder: I don't own a Wii-U yet because I'm broke as shiat. Same reason I won't be picking up the XBox One or PS4 any time soon.

You should get a PS3 then, you only need to "work two jobs" for it.
 
2013-07-06 05:37:19 PM
I want one, but mostly because my Wii system files are corrupted, and I don't feel like giving nintendo $80.00 just to send me back a different refurbished one.

I'll consider it an incremental upgrade.
 
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