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(Richmond Times-Dispatch)   Craft beer in urban America. Spurring small business development, creating jobs, saving blighted neighborhoods   (timesdispatch.com) divider line 46
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2013-07-06 01:48:03 PM
Thus raising property values and forcing long-time residents out of the neighborhood.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-06 01:51:19 PM
been there, done that....

digboston.com
 
2013-07-06 01:52:10 PM
Ah, beer. Is there anything you can't do?
 
2013-07-06 01:54:12 PM
The new Johnny Appleseed.
 
2013-07-06 01:54:26 PM
Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac
 
2013-07-06 01:54:49 PM
Craft beer. As opposed to all the beer that occurs naturally, bubbling up from springs.
 
2013-07-06 01:55:40 PM
Help promote the Hipster snobbyness quotient.
 
2013-07-06 01:57:51 PM
www.andthisiswhywedrink.com
 
2013-07-06 02:01:36 PM
Craft beer is so last year. The real place to be is craft cider. I drink scrumpy made by a farmer in Somerset near a village you haven't heard of
 
2013-07-06 02:02:42 PM

letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


You say these things as if they're bad...
 
2013-07-06 02:03:29 PM

Norfolking Chance: Craft beer is so last year. The real place to be is craft cider. I drink scrumpy made by a farmer in Somerset near a village you haven't heard of


Ah shiat, here come the ...
 
2013-07-06 02:04:31 PM
Brew pubs and marijuana dispensaries - saving America.
 
2013-07-06 02:07:13 PM
This is a great thing.  Takes money away from multinationals, & improves the taste of beer.  What's not to love?
 
2013-07-06 02:10:14 PM

letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


0 for 10....try again Budweiser man.
 
2013-07-06 02:15:15 PM

gnosis301: Norfolking Chance: Craft beer is so last year. The real place to be is craft cider. I drink scrumpy made by a farmer in Somerset near a village you haven't heard of

Ah shiat, here come the ...


Snobbishness aside, there's a local Cidery... Cider Brewery? Ciderhouse (rules)? Whatever, there's a local one here and it's awesome to have, if you're a Cider drinker.
 
2013-07-06 02:16:54 PM

Shae123: letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

0 for 10....try again Budweiser man.


It's been on Fark for as long as I can remember. It's almost like its a part of every Fark microbrew thread now.
 
2013-07-06 02:20:57 PM

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Shae123: letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

0 for 10....try again Budweiser man.

It's been on Fark for as long as I can remember. It's almost like its a part of every Fark microbrew thread now.


It's a Fark tradition now!
 
2013-07-06 02:22:28 PM
Imagine what craft weed will do.
 
2013-07-06 02:23:59 PM

LasersHurt: gnosis301: Norfolking Chance: Craft beer is so last year. The real place to be is craft cider. I drink scrumpy made by a farmer in Somerset near a village you haven't heard of

Ah shiat, here come the ...

Snobbishness aside, there's a local Cidery... Cider Brewery? Ciderhouse (rules)? Whatever, there's a local one here and it's awesome to have, if you're a Cider drinker.


Sounds tasty. Not snobby against cider drinkers, but there are people to watch out against here on FARK...
 
2013-07-06 02:24:00 PM

LarryDan43: Imagine what craft weed will do.


Weed's been like that for as long as anyone can remember. There's TONS of different varieties.
 
2013-07-06 02:30:50 PM
And getting people drunk to the point that they run their ski boat into a properly lighted, anchored pontoon boat at 10pm on the night of the 4th...killing three.

Yay, toxic liquids.
 
2013-07-06 02:35:09 PM

LarryDan43: Imagine what craft weed will do.


Hipsters ruin everything.
 
2013-07-06 02:37:07 PM

wambu: Thus raising property values and forcing long-time residents out of the neighborhood.

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And eventually forcing the breweries to move as well.

FTFA: "In the past decade, home values in the brewery's neighborhood have more than doubled - up 145 percent, according to real estate appraiser Miller Samuel. Rising prices might force Brooklyn Brewery to exit the trendy scene it jump-started.  Says Brooklyn Brewery's co-founder and president, Steve Hindy: "We sowed the seeds of our own demise here."

Although I can't feel too bad for them if they actually own the property they're using.  If not, they're at the mercy of their landlord(s).
 
2013-07-06 02:58:26 PM

valkore: wambu: Thus raising property values and forcing long-time residents out of the neighborhood.

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And eventually forcing the breweries to move as well.

FTFA: "In the past decade, home values in the brewery's neighborhood have more than doubled - up 145 percent, according to real estate appraiser Miller Samuel. Rising prices might force Brooklyn Brewery to exit the trendy scene it jump-started.  Says Brooklyn Brewery's co-founder and president, Steve Hindy: "We sowed the seeds of our own demise here."

Although I can't feel too bad for them if they actually own the property they're using.  If not, they're at the mercy of their landlord(s).


Well, there goes the neighborhood.
 
2013-07-06 03:07:54 PM
Craft beer means more hops.
 
2013-07-06 03:10:56 PM

SevenizGud: And getting people drunk to the point that they run their ski boat into a properly lighted, anchored pontoon boat at 10pm on the night of the 4th...killing three.

Yay, toxic liquids.


Let's be honest,.that's just Darwin at work there
 
2013-07-06 03:36:39 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Shae123: letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

0 for 10....try again Budweiser man.

It's been on Fark for as long as I can remember. It's almost like its a part of every Fark microbrew thread now.

It's a Fark tradition now!


I use it to update my ignore list.
 
2013-07-06 03:46:58 PM

valkore: wambu: Thus raising property values and forcing long-time residents out of the neighborhood.

[i.imgur.com image 680x453]

And eventually forcing the breweries to move as well.

FTFA: "In the past decade, home values in the brewery's neighborhood have more than doubled - up 145 percent, according to real estate appraiser Miller Samuel. Rising prices might force Brooklyn Brewery to exit the trendy scene it jump-started.  Says Brooklyn Brewery's co-founder and president, Steve Hindy: "We sowed the seeds of our own demise here."

Although I can't feel too bad for them if they actually own the property they're using.  If not, they're at the mercy of their landlord(s).


Our landlord tried to pull a stunt like that... we had improved the building, they neighborhood improved around us. the city tor down the big factory building behind and rezoned it for commercial residential. dud tried to sell the building to himself so he could kick us out and turn it into condo's...

yanking out the lease and showing right of first refusal and spending lots of money on lawyers... we now own the building..
 
2013-07-06 04:02:22 PM

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Shae123: letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


OMG someone likes beer that has flavor and puts money into local economy, must be a hipster!

That list is dumb every time it pops up somewhere.
 
2013-07-06 04:06:22 PM

wambu: Thus raising property values and forcing long-time residents out of the neighborhood.


That's one of the benefits of California's Prop 13: Your property tax can increase no faster than 2% in a given year - so even if home prices double, your tax bill stays about the same (and decreases in real-dollar terms).

I've seen identical homes both listing for $600k in San Francisco - one last sold in the 1960s, one last sold 3 years ago. The owner of the first pays $600/year in property tax; the latter, $6000/year.
 
2013-07-06 04:33:47 PM

swankywanky: been there, done that....

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Enjoying the Alpine Spring right now.

Good stuff
 
2013-07-06 04:43:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: swankywanky: been there, done that....

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Enjoying the Alpine Spring right now.

Good stuff


That was my favorite until I had their summer. Second only to Brooklyn summer ale which I'm going to hoard soon.
 
2013-07-06 05:03:00 PM
Bleh. Just when you think we've finally started to kill off massive urban cesspools, you people have to go back in and try to "save" them. LET THE farkING MEGACITIES DIE.
 
2013-07-06 05:23:36 PM

Bravo Two: Bleh. Just when you think we've finally started to kill off massive urban cesspools, you people have to go back in and try to "save" them. LET THE farkING MEGACITIES DIE.


What if it's just a really big town? or a rather small city?
 
2013-07-06 05:30:41 PM

Bravo Two: Bleh. Just when you think we've finally started to kill off massive urban cesspools, you people have to go back in and try to "save" them. LET THE farkING MEGACITIES DIE.


OTOH, high population density can be a huge positive when done well, and it's not all that hard to do well. If you don't like peopl, fair enough, move out to the country. More density means we're able to preserve more natural land.

It sure beats suburban hell, aka Wasteful Sprawl of Doom...
 
2013-07-06 05:41:46 PM
So that I may scare the living he|| out of Farkers, in Alabama making your own alcohol is a felony punishable with prison time and a very large fine.

Obviously, Alabama sucks.
 
2013-07-06 05:54:52 PM

ThighsofGlory: Cerebral Knievel: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Shae123: letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

0 for 10....try again Budweiser man.

It's been on Fark for as long as I can remember. It's almost like its a part of every Fark microbrew thread now.

It's a Fark tradition now!

I use it to update my ignore list.


Really?  It's the same Farker that posts it every time.  It's almost as if he's The Troll.
 
2013-07-06 07:26:54 PM
Behold the power of beer.
 
2013-07-06 07:38:57 PM
Article is missing the big reason craft breweries locate in blighted neighborhoods: zoning.  Breweries are categorized as Industrial Heavy, and those areas of town zoned this way aren't nice.  This is also why there normally aren't food places near breweries.
 
2013-07-06 07:40:48 PM

wittydh: So that I may scare the living he|| out of Farkers, in Alabama making your own alcohol is a felony punishable with prison time and a very large fine.

Obviously, Alabama sucks.


Nope, that has been fixed. it is now legal to home brew in every state.


Home Distillation, making your own liquor is still illegal everywhere on the federal and state level however.
 
2013-07-06 08:03:17 PM

WhippingBoy: Craft beer means more hops.


My SO actually has grown less fond of over hoppy beer since brewing his own.  FWIW.

Cerebral Knievel: Home Distillation, making your own liquor is still illegal everywhere on the federal and state level however.


Michigan is relaxing the laws enough where my brother's friend is seriously considering setting one up.  My brother's happy sticking to brewing beer, as am I.  But distilling is kind of more geeky in a good way.

From random Google

States have also started looking into changing of laws to allow the development of business similar to microbrewery and local brands of packaged beer, only on the liquor side of things.
A number of states including California, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Utah and Washington, have passed legislation reducing the stringent regulations for small distilleries. The laws were a holdover from prohibition.

Missouri has gone the farthest of any state to date, having decriminalized the practice of distilling alcohol for personal use. As of Aug. 28, 2012 it is now completely legal, as far as the state is concerned, for an individual 21 years and older to distill up to 100 gallons of alcohol with no permit.

So apparently it isn't.
 
2013-07-06 08:11:22 PM

Overload: Article is missing the big reason craft breweries locate in blighted neighborhoods: zoning.  Breweries are categorized as Industrial Heavy, and those areas of town zoned this way aren't nice.  This is also why there normally aren't food places near breweries.


For full disclosure...  I am the subby for this link, and I am employed by the first brewery mentioned in the article and I have been with the company about 14 years now.

Yes, the place was located in an industrial hell hole, at the end of the road from a old neighborhood that housed the industrial sectors workers.

the jobs had dried up and the neighborhood was dead except for the people that couldn't afford to leave, and the folks that were put there thanks to the subsidized housing.

the brewery set up shop there because the rent was cheap, and the view was nice, but mostly because the rent was cheap. The brewery started out as a production only brewery, and is still very much a production only brewery.. We wanted to have a tasting room to promote and sell the beer, but to do so we had to sell food as well. there are no Bars in Virginia, only restaurants that serve alcohol after all. the law has since been fixed though.. now a small brewery can sell pints directly to the public with out having to sell food as well.. like a winery is able to do so.

so the tasting room was started up as a 15 seat brew pub, the bartender was also the cook,

the beer took off as did the pub, until it had expanded to a 300 seat restaurant with the largest patio in town looking out towards the city skyline across the river.

The restaurant gave people to come to this part of town.  and the added bonus was when the artist district pretty much got evicted to turn Shokoe bottom into high priced condos... the artists packed up shop and moved across the river to join us in Manchester... THEN the condo and apartment developers started to take notice of our area,

people know where we are now, know how to get there, and get back out, there is now foot traffic...

Blue bee Cidery just opened up next door.  and maybe a distillery will set up shop in the hood soon as well.

For a big idea of the transformation of the neighborhood, my eldest niece, is now a bartender at the breweries pub, and lives a block down the street. and I have no concerns for her safety walking to and from work.
 
2013-07-06 10:29:12 PM
Cerebral Knievel:
Nope, that has been fixed. it is now legal to home brew in every state.


Home Distillation, making your own liquor is still illegal everywhere on the federal and state level however.


Oh, joyous day, that Fark hath shown me the permission of making my own very, very, very poor tasting beer.  I suck at it, but I'll be damned if I am not going to do it.  I moved to this backwater hillbilly state about five months ago.  When I got here a new friend told me that it was illegal.  I paid it as much heed as I pay those who tell me that downloading movies is illegal (none) and made my own anyways with supplies I bought off the net.  Now that I see it has become legalized, I can make it without fear of retribution other than the religious zealots that dot the landscape furrowing their brows because I did not sneak off to the casinos a couple hundred miles away to drink in secrecy.
 
2013-07-06 10:44:57 PM

LasersHurt: gnosis301: Norfolking Chance: Craft beer is so last year. The real place to be is craft cider. I drink scrumpy made by a farmer in Somerset near a village you haven't heard of

Ah shiat, here come the ...

Snobbishness aside, there's a local Cidery... Cider Brewery? Ciderhouse (rules)? Whatever, there's a local one here and it's awesome to have, if you're a Cider drinker.


I wish I had one of those here,I love me some cider. I was in heaven when I went to London: multiple ciders on tap and in bottle at every pub I went to.
 
2013-07-06 11:55:55 PM
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Has worked for DFW. Both breweries are in former economic dead zones and make some mighty tasty brews... Both offer $10 tours which include three beers and a souvenir pint glasses... Love to hit these kind of places in any city I visit. F the big three brewing companies.
 
2013-07-07 12:54:29 AM

letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


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