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(Guardian)   The NSA holds a recruitment drive at the University of Wisconsin. Hilarity ensues   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 165
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2013-07-05 08:54:18 PM
"I don't believe theNSA is telling complete lies. "
 
2013-07-05 09:04:54 PM
Recruiting on a very liberal campus is probably not the wisest move on the NSAs part.
 
2013-07-05 09:21:20 PM

Irving Maimway: Recruiting on a very liberal campus is probably not the wisest move on the NSAs part.


The problem is they need someone with an even keel too.

Sure a Conservative might be competent, but the fact he is a irrational closeted gay man makes him a liability in regards to blackmail and the like.
 
2013-07-05 09:22:51 PM

Irving Maimway: Recruiting on a very liberal campus is probably not the wisest move on the NSAs part.


I imagine they could find a person here or there on liberal campuses.
 
2013-07-05 09:32:31 PM
I like these kids. They're not part of the "shut up and do as you're told" generation. They're cynical.
 
2013-07-05 09:50:06 PM
She accused them of not using precise language, seems like they were plenty precise to me.
 
2013-07-05 10:14:58 PM
For a long time the NSA could only get (for the.most part) Mormons to get cleared. Religious fanactics do not make good intel people.
 
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2013-07-05 10:16:46 PM
"I'm just surprised that for language analysts, you're incredibly imprecise with your language. And it just doesn't seem to be clear."

As a journalist she knows that she's asking for information they can't give her and they don't want to be rude or overt about it.
 
2013-07-05 10:53:48 PM
Recruitment drive?

Guess they need people to look at all that spying data they aren't collecting.
 
2013-07-06 12:02:07 AM
Ah, Madison, how I miss that place sometimes... full of happy tree-huggers who want everyone to love each other but consider "flipping cars and lighting them on fire" the best method to celebrate.
 
2013-07-06 12:14:11 AM
Wait, wait.

Don't tell me.
 
2013-07-06 12:50:50 AM
"Those are wonderful questions. Unfortunately, we cannot discuss policy at this time. I will refer you to [insert name here], our regional head of media relations. Here is [his/her] card. (S)he can more readily answer any questions you may have. In the meantime, would you like to discuss potential employment with the NSA?"

-what the recruiters should have said
 
2013-07-06 01:04:06 AM
My friend had the NSA pay for his grad-school in exchange for working there for at least 5 years. He left as soon as he could and entered a seminary. I'm guessing he either saw some shiat and decided to leave or it's part of his cover story. Only half joking.
 
2013-07-06 01:07:24 AM

2wolves: For a long time the NSA could only get (for the.most part) Mormons to get cleared. Religious fanactics do not make good intel people.


A lot of mormons in positions requiring security clearance because if you ever smoked a single joint in your life, you could not qualify.  I think they've loosened that one up a bit, though.  I would hope so given that we've had multiple presidents admit that they've smoked pot.
 
2013-07-06 01:08:33 AM
Stupid news is...stupid.
 
2013-07-06 01:09:41 AM
It's enough to make one almost feel a twinge of pity for the outclassed bastards. Almost.
 
2013-07-06 01:11:59 AM

Irving Maimway: Recruiting on a very liberal campus is probably not the wisest move on the NSAs part.


They'd have better luck recruiting kids from Liberty or BJU.
 
2013-07-06 01:12:59 AM
Not much is worse than a slightly above average educated person thinking they have it all figures out and TRY to voice their opinion on the matter.
 
2013-07-06 01:13:02 AM

OgreMagi: 2wolves: For a long time the NSA could only get (for the.most part) Mormons to get cleared. Religious fanactics do not make good intel people.

A lot of mormons in positions requiring security clearance because if you ever smoked a single joint in your life, you could not qualify.  I think they've loosened that one up a bit, though.  I would hope so given that we've had multiple presidents admit that they've smoked pot.


I don't think drug use alone will disqualify anyone from holding a clearance.  They're more concerned about whether you lie to them about it.
 
2013-07-06 01:13:47 AM

Solon Isonomia: Ah, Madison, how I miss that place sometimes... full of happy tree-huggers who want everyone to love each other but consider "flipping cars and lighting them on fire" the best method to celebrate.


UW Madison grad here.  Even back when Hippies roamed the Earth, Madison had a handful (maybe 10%) of very, very vocal nut-jobs, and many of that ilk were non-students.   The TAs went on strike thinking that a liberal student body would be on their side.   Wrong. We crossed their silly picket lines in droves and  they ultimately lost the battle and settled for a pay reduction.

This alleged "reporter" is a foreign student taking one journalism class during summer school.  Hardly representative of the 40,000 others who go there who are not attention whores.
 
2013-07-06 01:16:26 AM
Tahir: "I'm just surprised that for language analysts, you're incredibly imprecise with your language.

nyrb.typepad.com
 
2013-07-06 01:19:18 AM
It seemed like a non story story. I dont feel the questioner got the better of the recruiter.
 
2013-07-06 01:20:27 AM

Apos: It's enough to make one almost feel a twinge of pity for the outclassed bastards. Almost.


Outclassed?  If the gloves were off, I'd wager they could respond with the same amount of self-righteous BS this Tahir lady spouted and if she had *any* desire to see the truth she would have been beaten in a fair debate.

Debating one stuck-up loony in a liberal campus full of the like was not their job.  Defending the policies of their commanding officers is not their job.  Their job is reaching out to people who already have an inkling of why the organization exists and giving them the information they need to make a responsible decision.

Don't get me wrong, I have a problem with what the NSA does myself.  But I'm not going to take it out on the people in the field, doing their work.  This is a issue that propagated from the top down.  If you want answers, and you want accountability, you target the people who caused this; namely the congress-critters and the populace who allowed them to pass the Patriot Act and the like because they were frightened into sacrificing their liberties by one day of terrorism.

The sad thing is this clown is probably going to be lauded for being so aware and intelligent.
 
2013-07-06 01:21:49 AM

rkiller1: he TAs went on strike thinking that a liberal student body would be on their side.   Wrong. We crossed their silly picket lines in droves and  they ultimately lost the battle and settled for a pay reduction.


Aren't you adorable.

The grad student instructors at my liberal school went on strike too.  Well deserved IMHO, and their demands were pretty damn reasonable.  I didn't have any picket lines to cross though, since I only had one physics discussion section lead by one, it was a one day strike, and that class wasn't scheduled for that day.
 
2013-07-06 01:30:07 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I like these kids. They're not part of the "shut up and do as you're told" generation. They're cynical.


The young of every generation are cynical. Then they go out into the real world, meet a partner, have a kid or two, hold down a job and the next thing you know that cynicism is gone replaced by someone who dislikes foreigners, finds a spook under every rock, and never misses out on a chance to whore for a greenback. That cynicism isn't a worldview, a stage of life, a style or even an attitude. It is a pose.

I remember listening to Toys in the Attic as a boy and my father asking, "Why are you listening to those people scream?" Today, as I was driving down the road for the first time in probably a decade I heard Walk this Way, as it came on the radio, and I thought to myself, "Why are these people screaming?"

Sigh.
 
2013-07-06 01:31:28 AM
Poorly written article makes me empathise with the recruiters, who are probably at the mushroom level of the NSA.

/as in, kept in the dark and fed bullshiat.
 
2013-07-06 01:33:37 AM

rkiller1: The TAs went on strike thinking that a liberal student body would be on their side.   Wrong. We crossed their silly picket lines in droves and  they ultimately lost the battle and settled for a pay reduction.


So they went from sub-minimum-wage to having to pay to be TAs?
 
2013-07-06 01:37:44 AM
"Language careers"
They call 'em language careers.
You're mutherfarking spies. Just call it spying for farks sake. Frikin James Bond wannabies.

/Develop a language to conceal the shady shiat and feed it to non-critical thinkers. Now that's recruiting!
 
2013-07-06 01:38:04 AM

OgreMagi: 2wolves: For a long time the NSA could only get (for the.most part) Mormons to get cleared. Religious fanactics do not make good intel people.

A lot of mormons in positions requiring security clearance because if you ever smoked a single joint in your life, you could not qualify.  I think they've loosened that one up a bit, though.  I would hope so given that we've had multiple presidents admit that they've smoked pot.


That has literally never been the case.  They don't give a fark what drugs you've done in the past, so long as A) you don't lie about it, B) you're not still doing them (regardless of the effects of the drug, having people with clearances that have active relationships with organized crime is a terrible idea) and C) addiction isn't a serious issue in your life (causes issues with bribery and such).  The people doing clearances aren't worried about the soccer mom and nimby types that would complain about past usage.  They want shiat done and they want lips sealed.  They don't care how that happens.
 
2013-07-06 01:38:29 AM

worlddan: ecmoRandomNumbers: I like these kids. They're not part of the "shut up and do as you're told" generation. They're cynical.

The young of every generation are cynical. Then they go out into the real world, meet a partner, have a kid or two, hold down a job and the next thing you know that cynicism is gone replaced by someone who dislikes foreigners, finds a spook under every rock, and never misses out on a chance to whore for a greenback. That cynicism isn't a worldview, a stage of life, a style or even an attitude. It is a pose.

I remember listening to Toys in the Attic as a boy and my father asking, "Why are you listening to those people scream?" Today, as I was driving down the road for the first time in probably a decade I heard Walk this Way, as it came on the radio, and I thought to myself, "Why are these people screaming?"

Sigh.


I agree with your statement.  I've reflected on my past viewpoints, and while I remembered and can still justify them, I also now know why they're not as compelling anymore.  Idealism in the basic good of people turned into a profound lack of confidence in my fellow man.  The path of least resistance is a fact, the default course of action unless someone specifically acts to counteract the effect.  I could go on a lengthy morose rant, but it's beside the point.

These kids are not especially thoughtful, and they're not morally superior in any way.  They just don't understand how much of what they take for granted comes from some very unsavory sources.  It would be interesting to find out just how much they could give up wholeheartedly to live with their current conscientious objections.
 
2013-07-06 01:39:41 AM
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I could of joined the NSA, but
They found out my parents
were married
 
2013-07-06 01:41:04 AM

MurphyMurphy: Recruitment drive?

Guess they need people to look at all that spying data they aren't collecting.


The NSA is boosting ranks in antipation of the massive influx of surveillance data following the release of the Xbox One.

/Well, that's what I heard.
 
2013-07-06 01:41:25 AM
As cool as the perception of cynical college kids that are "not part of the "shut up and do as you're told" generation" are, am I the only one getting sick of this guerrilla haranguing type shiat?

Some low-level public relations staffer with the NSA isn't equipped to answer questions some "cynical" college student prepared as if she was interviewing the NSA commander. It's beating on a child really.

It's the distant cousin of the 21 year-old "No Officer I'm not rolling down my window at this DUI checkpoint because I'm recording this for the internet because civil liberties!!!" I'm all for limiting power and I think police are over-aggressive to the point of trampling some rights. But if you followed that story, if the kid rolled his window down and said "Hello Officer, How are you?" instead of "No I'm not rolling my window down any more. This is good enough." he would have been sent home with ease. Does it bother me that cops overreact to personal slights like that? Yes. But behavior like that shouldn't really be the norm.
 
2013-07-06 01:42:36 AM
Love me Love me Love me; I'm a liberal

/Gated communities and trickle down FTW
 
2013-07-06 01:43:57 AM
I like that the "hero" sign in the article has an "Obama" O and he's the guy trying to convict Snowden.
 
2013-07-06 01:44:40 AM
It seems that, just -maybe- we have finally come to the first rung of rising above being willing to sell our integrity for bread.
 
2013-07-06 01:45:12 AM

Barbecue Bob: "Language careers"
They call 'em language careers.
You're mutherfarking spies. Just call it spying for farks sake. Frikin James Bond wannabies.

/Develop a language to conceal the shady shiat and feed it to non-critical thinkers. Now that's recruiting!


They're not spies.  The NSA's purpose and the CIA's purpose is very distinct.  They do have some overlap, but the NSA's specialty really is language, cryptography and code breaking.

You don't join the NSA trying to be James Bond.  You don't get sent solo on field missions to hostile foreign nations to assassinate a terrorist leader in the NSA.  At most, you'll be sitting in an office stateside listening to his phone calls, if that.

Finally, the NSA is not looking for people with a mental lack in any capacity.  The threshold for acceptance is high because the intellectual demands on the members is also very high.  Don't let your dislike of the organization or it's goals in any way cloud your perception of their capabilities.  We have one of the most effective intelligence gathering ecosystems in the history of the world for a very specific reason.  Our agencies don't hire morons.
 
2013-07-06 01:46:29 AM

nmemkha: Irving Maimway: Recruiting on a very liberal campus is probably not the wisest move on the NSAs part.

The problem is they need someone with an even keel too.

Sure a Conservative might be competent, but the fact he is a irrational closeted gay man makes him a liability in regards to blackmail and the like.


Plus it's hard to find a conservative on a college campus. Education is the devil!

These kids were slightly amusing, but most likely just set themselves up for a lot of road blocks in their lives.These people were just recruiters and likely do nothing significant at the NSA (other than go to colleges and recruit), so it kind of makes these kids look like idiots.
 
2013-07-06 01:48:31 AM

Sandwyrm: intelligence gathering ecosystems


Not to mention heavy purchase upon linguistically gymnastic and ultimately, abstruse and meaningless constructs.
 
2013-07-06 01:48:33 AM

Shostie: "Those are wonderful questions. Unfortunately, we cannot discuss policy at this time. I will refer you to [insert name here], our regional head of media relations. Here is [his/her] card. (S)he can more readily answer any questions you may have. In the meantime, would you like to discuss potential employment with the NSA?"

-what the recruiters should have said


Nooo. The recruiter should have pretended to speak into a hidden microphone and said 'track the person I'm speaking with'.
 
2013-07-06 01:49:24 AM

No Soap Radio: ...


I fear our viewpoint is in the minority.  People will continue to misdirect their aggression, and problems will continue to be aggravated rather than being solved.  Those responsible for causing said problems are perfectly fine with this, since they can conceal their responsibility behind layers upon layers of highly visible underlings.

Turn the peasants against each other, and they're too busy to attack what's truly making them miserable.
 
2013-07-06 01:49:37 AM

Sandwyrm: worlddan: ecmoRandomNumbers: I like these kids. They're not part of the "shut up and do as you're told" generation. They're cynical.

The young of every generation are cynical. Then they go out into the real world, meet a partner, have a kid or two, hold down a job and the next thing you know that cynicism is gone replaced by someone who dislikes foreigners, finds a spook under every rock, and never misses out on a chance to whore for a greenback. That cynicism isn't a worldview, a stage of life, a style or even an attitude. It is a pose.

I remember listening to Toys in the Attic as a boy and my father asking, "Why are you listening to those people scream?" Today, as I was driving down the road for the first time in probably a decade I heard Walk this Way, as it came on the radio, and I thought to myself, "Why are these people screaming?"

Sigh.

I agree with your statement.  I've reflected on my past viewpoints, and while I remembered and can still justify them, I also now know why they're not as compelling anymore.  Idealism in the basic good of people turned into a profound lack of confidence in my fellow man.  The path of least resistance is a fact, the default course of action unless someone specifically acts to counteract the effect.  I could go on a lengthy morose rant, but it's beside the point.

These kids are not especially thoughtful, and they're not morally superior in any way.  They just don't understand how much of what they take for granted comes from some very unsavory sources.  It would be interesting to find out just how much they could give up wholeheartedly to live with their current conscientious objections.


I also completely agree. When these children-in-adult-bodies mature a bit more, they'll come around to our way of thinking and realize we lick authoritarian boots for a damned good reason.

Sandwyrm: Apos: It's enough to make one almost feel a twinge of pity for the outclassed bastards. Almost.

Outclassed?  If the gloves were off, I'd wager they could respond with the same amount of self-righteous BS this Tahir lady spouted and if she had *any* desire to see the truth she would have been beaten in a fair debate.

Debating one stuck-up loony in a liberal campus full of the like was not their job.  Defending the policies of their commanding officers is not their job.  Their job is reaching out to people who already have an inkling of why the organization exists and giving them the information they need to make a responsible decision.

Don't get me wrong, I have a problem with what the NSA does myself.  But I'm not going to take it out on the people in the field, doing their work.  This is a issue that propagated from the top down.  If you want answers, and you want accountability, you target the people who caused this; namely the congress-critters and the populace who allowed them to pass the Patriot Act and the like because they were frightened into sacrificing their liberties by one day of terrorism.

The sad thing is this clown is probably going to be lauded for being so aware and intelligent.


/don't want to get told?
//don't be a PR man for a b.s. organization
 
2013-07-06 01:49:59 AM

worlddan: ecmoRandomNumbers: I like these kids. They're not part of the "shut up and do as you're told" generation. They're cynical.

I remember listening to Toys in the Attic as a boy and my father asking, "Why are you listening to those people scream?" Today, as I was driving down the road for the first time in probably a decade I heard Walk this Way, as it came on the radio, and I thought to myself, "Why are these people screaming?"

Sigh.


Good, good, your inner death is just about complete, it'll all be over soon.
 
2013-07-06 01:51:27 AM

Sandwyrm: Turn the peasants against each other, and they're too busy to attack what's truly making them miserable.


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2013-07-06 01:51:44 AM
it always happens when you don't preview, doesn't it? lets try again

Sandwyrm: Apos: It's enough to make one almost feel a twinge of pity for the outclassed bastards. Almost.

Outclassed?  If the gloves were off, I'd wager they could respond with the same amount of self-righteous BS this Tahir lady spouted and if she had *any* desire to see the truth she would have been beaten in a fair debate.

Debating one stuck-up loony in a liberal campus full of the like was not their job.  Defending the policies of their commanding officers is not their job.  Their job is reaching out to people who already have an inkling of why the organization exists and giving them the information they need to make a responsible decision.

Don't get me wrong, I have a problem with what the NSA does myself.  But I'm not going to take it out on the people in the field, doing their work.  This is a issue that propagated from the top down.  If you want answers, and you want accountability, you target the people who caused this; namely the congress-critters and the populace who allowed them to pass the Patriot Act and the like because they were frightened into sacrificing their liberties by one day of terrorism.

The sad thing is this clown is probably going to be lauded for being so aware and intelligent.


images.sodahead.com
 
2013-07-06 01:52:43 AM

DVOM: Good, good, your inner death is just about complete, it'll all be over soon.


Said schadefreude boy from Iowa.  *click*
 
2013-07-06 01:52:48 AM

bunner: Sandwyrm: intelligence gathering ecosystems

Not to mention heavy purchase upon linguistically gymnastic and ultimately, abstruse and meaningless constructs.


I needed a way to phrase the concept of networked intelligence agencies within a country with semi-official diplomatic and information-sharing partnerships with peer networked intelligence agencies in a different country to create a system that theoretically covers every possible niche where valuable information could possibly exist.

My word was ecosystem.  But I suppose you, in your infinite wisdom, have come up with a more concise way to phrase this without sounding pretentious.

So please, enlighten me, master.
 
2013-07-06 01:55:53 AM

Sandwyrm: So please, enlighten me, master.


A bunch of sneaky motherf*ckers with more wires than AT&T and more faces than Dr. Lao?
 
2013-07-06 01:56:02 AM
MurphyMurphy:

You miss the point of my rant.  I can't explain it better than I already have.  If you care to reread it, you might see that I'm not defending the NSA for the sake of defending the NSA, but stating that the attack is misdirected and ultimately useless.
 
2013-07-06 01:56:42 AM

nmemkha: "I don't believe theNSA is telling complete lies. "


"Thank you for admitting openly that the NSA tells lies."
 
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