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2013-07-05 08:53:04 PM
I would hate to be on the jet he decides to use to get to Venezuela.

/This would have been tongue in cheek last week
//Now slashy serious
 
2013-07-05 09:09:01 PM
Like Cuba they enjoy flipping the bird to the mighty United States. Pride comes before a fall.
 
2013-07-05 09:20:33 PM
It's not like Venezuela has that much further to fall. Once you run out of toilet paper you are pretty close to hitting (or having) a  rock bottom.
 
2013-07-05 10:54:23 PM
Wear a rubber, dude.
 
2013-07-06 12:12:26 AM

Alunan: I would hate to be on the jet he decides to use to get to Venezuela.

/This would have been tongue in cheek last week
//Now slashy serious


My guess is he's already there.

/Bolivia was the decoy
//and Snowden had proof that Pooty Poot is gay, which is why Putin left him alone
 
2013-07-06 12:30:19 AM
Well that could get interesting.
 
2013-07-06 12:55:31 AM
I seriously hope he just disappears, lives a great life somewhere, and we never find him.
 
2013-07-06 01:29:08 AM
Rendition to a CIA secret base in 3...2...
 
2013-07-06 01:30:13 AM
Rather than have another Snowden thread, who is for turning this into a hot venezuelan women thread?  (or just latinas in general)
 
2013-07-06 01:46:18 AM
Finally, a world leader has the guts to stand up to Obama.
 
2013-07-06 01:47:21 AM

themindiswatching: Rendition to a CIA secret base in 3...2...


Yeah, illegal, extrajudicial punishment will teach people to respect the law.
 
2013-07-06 01:47:53 AM
Nicaragua offered it too.

I'm willing to wager that the scared-shiatless rerouting of Evo Morales' plane had something to do with this.
 
2013-07-06 01:48:11 AM
OK so Venezuela takes Snowden in. No big deal, right?

Who's going to be the poster that totally ruins this moment of clarity by saying something derpish about Obama, this government or the NSA? Come on, I dare ya.
 
2013-07-06 01:49:20 AM
I would go with Ortega if they weren't in bed with the US drug enforcement officials. Too much leverage to give you up.
 
2013-07-06 01:49:35 AM

ShawnDoc: Rather than have another Snowden thread, who is for turning this into a hot venezuelan women thread?  (or just latinas in general)


I defy your gender bias!

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2013-07-06 01:49:45 AM
Asylum? They barely know him.
 
2013-07-06 01:50:12 AM
Enjoy the free toilet paper!
 
2013-07-06 01:50:26 AM

Peki: Alunan: I would hate to be on the jet he decides to use to get to Venezuela.

/This would have been tongue in cheek last week

//Now slashy serious


My guess is he's already there.


/Bolivia was the decoy

//and Snowden had proof that Pooty Poot is gay, which is why Putin left him alone


I agree, Snowden has not been seen since the Russians took him off the plane two weeks ago.


For the NSA to think Snowden was on the Bolivian airplane, the NSA must have credible intel that he left the airport.


Obama and the NSA will be chumps when he shows up in Ecuador.
 
2013-07-06 01:50:30 AM
Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.
 
2013-07-06 01:50:48 AM
Good. Go there and go away. I don't want to see any stories about how much you miss America and how the US government made you break your word and the law, leaving you in exile. Enjoy your stay in third-world hell.
 
2013-07-06 01:51:05 AM

violentsalvation: I seriously hope he just disappears, lives a great life somewhere, and we never find him.


I also hope he just disappears, but I can pretty much guarantee that, if he's living, he won't be living a good life
 
2013-07-06 01:51:47 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.


Whidbey, here's your guy.
 
2013-07-06 01:52:53 AM
Maybe he can get a job with their intelligence services.
 
2013-07-06 01:55:37 AM

Peki: Alunan: I would hate to be on the jet he decides to use to get to Venezuela.

/This would have been tongue in cheek last week
//Now slashy serious

My guess is he's already there.

/Bolivia was the decoy
//and Snowden had proof that Pooty Poot is gay, which is why Putin left him alone


Gosh, the lulz if that is true and the evidence got splashed over every front page on the planet. It would be hilarious.
 
2013-07-06 01:56:24 AM

Nem Wan: themindiswatching: Rendition to a CIA secret base in 3...2...

Yeah, illegal, extrajudicial punishment will teach people to respect the law.


Not like that's stopped the US before.
 
2013-07-06 01:56:48 AM
As an Obama supporter I am unhappy with the situation. If this level of surveillance is really necessary then the President should be championing vigorous and transparent oversight. That's where I am disappointed.

I live in Reno and right now I have half a mind to rile up as many people as I can and go protest outside Harry Reid's office so he knows our expectation is the repeal of the Patriot Act.

It pisses me off that my Republican Senator and I agree on this issue (Heller has never voted for and opposes the Patriot Act), but my Democratic Senator is being a douche about it.
 
2013-07-06 01:58:45 AM
I'm psykick...I saw this coming.
 
2013-07-06 01:59:33 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.


Eh, I've not been quiet about my lack of support for Obama on this affair... I voted for him twice, and I'm incredibly frustrated that he not only continued the idiocy, but expanded upon it.

I voted for  http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/05/03/because-i-believe-you  the Obama who wanted me to believe in him, because he believed in me. Turns out, he didn't actually believe in me, he spied on me, mistrusted me, and treated me as a potential threat (as he did every American)... much like with W before him, I don't care for President who views the populous of the country as one giant potential coup. All else being equal, as much as Obama's ignored the Constitution he'd sworn to uphold, I'd be supportive if the Republicans want to impeach him for the NSA thing. They won't though... because they started it, and they want all that power to be theirs whenever they get back in the White House, country and constitution be damned.
 
2013-07-06 01:59:49 AM

Alunan: ShawnDoc: Rather than have another Snowden thread, who is for turning this into a hot venezuelan women thread?  (or just latinas in general)

I defy your gender bias!


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2013-07-06 02:00:04 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.


Not really. You want to start some shiat?
 
2013-07-06 02:00:36 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Good. Go there and go away. I don't want to see any stories about how much you miss America and how the US government made you break your word and the law, leaving you in exile. Enjoy your stay in third-world hell.




On HGTV, there are plenty of shows about Americans moving down to Ecuador to retire. Cheap healthcare seems to be a driving forces.
 
2013-07-06 02:01:05 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.


Well on the other hand Romney probably would have declared war or something
 
2013-07-06 02:02:03 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.


I haven't been quiet. I've been f*cking furious, and I'm sorry I voted for the sack of crap.
 
2013-07-06 02:02:47 AM

Gosling: Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.

Whidbey, here's your guy.


Heh. Nice to know longtime Farkers have my best interests in mind. :)
 
2013-07-06 02:04:44 AM

ThunderPelvis: Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.

I haven't been quiet. I've been f*cking furious, and I'm sorry I voted for the sack of crap.


I'll bite. How exactly is Obama a "sack of crap?"

Please feel free to elaborate.
 
2013-07-06 02:04:55 AM
Well, I'll give him this, it's an interesting little situation he's created for himself, especially if he makes it onto Venezuelan soil. And no, I don't think his plane is going to be shot down, although a lot can happen between his airport bench and the plane, like Russia deciding that they've poked their fingers in Obama's eye long enough and now it's time to make nice.

Their dickish government aside, Venezuela's not such a bad place... although it probably isn't too great for a celebrity outlaw who speaks C++ but not Spanish and can never leave, and whose quality of life will be determined by the whim of that dickish government.

I seriously doubt this ends with Snowden dying of natural causes in Venezuela at age 90, or for that matter without spending at least some time in an American prison. But I guess the odds of that happening soon and entirely on the United States' terms are a little longer now.

I guess if there's a bright side to this, it's that Julian Assange is probably punching the walls of the Ecuadorian embassy's broom closet pretty hard right now.
 
2013-07-06 02:06:00 AM
Alunan:

I live in Reno and right now I have half a mind to rile up as many people as I can and go protest outside Harry Reid's office so he knows our expectation is the repeal of the Patriot Act.

But you won't. That's the important part.
 
2013-07-06 02:06:10 AM
Snowden - a Minnesotan in January.
 
2013-07-06 02:06:35 AM

violentsalvation: I seriously hope he just disappears, lives a great life somewhere, and we never find him.


In Venezuela, the first and third are very very likely.
 
2013-07-06 02:07:41 AM

whidbey: I'll bite. How exactly is Obama a "sack of crap?"


You mean other than the fact that not only did he support this program, he reauthorized it?
 
2013-07-06 02:07:44 AM

ThunderPelvis: Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.

I haven't been quiet. I've been f*cking furious, and I'm sorry I voted for the sack of crap.


As opposed to Romney, who would've dismantled the entire NSA and all these Bush era programs, right? Or a third party, who'd TOTALLY have the support to win a national election this time, guys.

When two evils are the only viable options, voting for the lesser is preferable to not voting. Keep things at least somewhat in check while working to fix the system so two evils aren't the only available options.
 
2013-07-06 02:08:36 AM

Jakesta: Snowden - a Minnesotan in January.


As in "Ma, I can't make it. I'm snowden!"

/yeah I replied to my own post. So what?
 
2013-07-06 02:08:51 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.


Here's my thought process on this (as an Obama supporter)

1) The US Government has to do something and prove a point that stealing secrets from a Gov program is not allowed
2) The program should have never existed and needed to be brought to attention
3) But in fear we created the Patriot Act and this, from what I can tell, is okay by that.
4) Still I thought Obama would get rid of this Act and move towards a more transparent world
5) But the world we live in today is that world that many fear and being able to see who is calling who as long as it's used for anti-terrorist purposes isn't really something that bothers me much.
6) Still, we should never have to  come to that and it's still invading freedoms.

In other words, I can see both sides, but I don't feel good about it. I definitely don't want to see him arrested though. Hell, I'd love to have Obama say "we farked up, let's fix this, let's make Snowden a prominent member in this agency which will move towards more transparency" but I know that will never happen.
 
2013-07-06 02:09:01 AM

whidbey: Who's going to be the poster that totally ruins this moment of clarity by saying something derpish about Obama


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2013-07-06 02:09:31 AM

ThunderPelvis: Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.

I haven't been quiet. I've been f*cking furious, and I'm sorry I voted for the sack of crap.


I'm a Canadian.

I understand the betrayal and anger everyone is feeling.

I still have a hunch history will reveal Obama is not a monster. I'm generally confident in my hunches.

Wait and see, but let rage show. As farked up as our political systems are it's important to let the elite know we're pissed and remember what guillotines are, as they arm their thugs with technology and ideology to defeat the masses. It's only when they have no fear of the consequences of going too far that we've truly lost.
 
2013-07-06 02:10:37 AM

Popcorn Johnny: whidbey: I'll bite. How exactly is Obama a "sack of crap?"

You mean other than the fact that not only did he support this program, he reauthorized it?


There is not a single politician who had even a snowball's chance in Hell of getting elected that would not have done the same thing. Most would've gone farther.
 
2013-07-06 02:10:43 AM

firefly212: I voted for  http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/05/03/because-i-believe-you  the Obama who wanted me to believe in him, because he believed in me. Turns out, he didn't actually believe in me, he spied on me, mistrusted me, and treated me as a potential threat (as he did every American)... much like with W before him, I don't care for President who views the populous of the country as one giant potential coup.


Whoa, he what now? How you were you spied on exactly? Who are you anyway that you would warrant that kind of focus from the government?

I usually agree with a lot you post, but that last sentence is full of a lot of disingenuous speculation.

All else being equal, as much as Obama's ignored the Constitution he'd sworn to uphold, I'd be supportive if the Republicans want to impeach him for the NSA thing. They won't though... because they started it, and they want all that power to be theirs whenever they get back in the White House, co

What exactly would Obama be "impached" over? I fail to see what is exactly illegal, or unjustified about the program, given the damage the Bush administration inflicted on this country's security during their time in office.
 
2013-07-06 02:10:43 AM

LordJiro: ThunderPelvis: Popcorn Johnny: Obama supporters sure have been quiet on this whole affair.

I haven't been quiet. I've been f*cking furious, and I'm sorry I voted for the sack of crap.

As opposed to Romney, who would've dismantled the entire NSA and all these Bush era programs, right? Or a third party, who'd TOTALLY have the support to win a national election this time, guys.

When two evils are the only viable options, voting for the lesser is preferable to not voting. Keep things at least somewhat in check while working to fix the system so two evils aren't the only available options.


Spoken like a true college student that doesn't know what a sack of crap is.
 
2013-07-06 02:11:43 AM
This spying thing isn't new.  It's been going on for decades, but the technology is just now getting to where it can literally spy on everyone with an electronic device.  It's not just Obama, or Bush, but every President since Carter that this thing has been running under.  I am personally sad that it has gotten to this point, but most people did not even realize this court had been created and a lot of them think it has just come into being.
 
2013-07-06 02:12:17 AM

lucksi: Alunan:

I live in Reno and right now I have half a mind to rile up as many people as I can and go protest outside Harry Reid's office so he knows our expectation is the repeal of the Patriot Act.

But you won't. That's the important part.


Your correct. I have made the determination that the amount of effort necessary to be successful in such a ploy would be highly detrimental to my personal success and finances. Therefore, my decision was not to make a stand on this issue, which I feel is important, but is not worth setting back three years productivity.
 
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