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2013-07-05 08:00:37 PM
Back about 10 years ago I was in Baltimore city with a black friend.  At the time we were both federal employees, his car had the federal gate access stickers above the window VIN.   My friend was driving normally and slowly, a policeman stopped us then ordered us out of the vehicle.  He went to his car and checked our drivers licenses, as we stood there he said "I'm going to search your vehicle".  Mike said, I don't consent to this search.  At that point, the policeman didn't acknowledge his protest and entered the vehicle and threw the entire contents of the car out into the street, including in items in the glove box and the console.  A bottle of cologne shattered and splattered his school books.  After he finished, he stepped back and handed Mike both of our driver's licenses,said have a good night, entered his police car and drove away.  The contents of the car  still all over the street.   I felt like I was visiting some foreign dictatorship.

American police forces have virtually no concept of professionalism.  Take a look at the many video's of European police officers in action, what you typically see is officers trained to de-escalate situations instead of meeting every situation with force and an aggressive demeanor.   Sure, the European police will beat your ass if you need it but they don't typically brutalize the public for fun.

/not the submitter
 
2013-07-05 08:35:44 PM
Just to play Devil's advocate.

If he had simply rolled down his window all the way and answered the officer's questions in a respectful manner, he probably would have been told to have a good night.
 
2013-07-05 08:38:25 PM
"He didn't even ask me if I'd been drinking.  It was a DUI checkpoint."
 
2013-07-05 08:49:43 PM

Rev.K: Just to play Devil's advocate.

If he had simply rolled down his window all the way and answered the officer's questions in a respectful manner, he probably would have been told to have a good night.


Yeah, if you just let people get their way in whatever they want, they usually don't give you a hard time.

Cops should be expected to execute their duties within the legal boundaries given them. No further. The cop got nasty because someone happened to exercise their rights. It's their job, their duty.

They even make light of this further in the video. Mocking him for claiming to have and to understand his rights.
 
2013-07-05 09:04:13 PM

Rev.K: Just to play Devil's advocate.

If he had simply rolled down his window all the way and answered the officer's questions in a respectful manner, he probably would have been told to have a good night.


HAHAHAHAHA... no.
 
2013-07-05 09:10:22 PM

Rev.K: Just to play Devil's advocate.

If he had simply rolled down his window all the way and answered the officer's questions in a respectful manner, he probably would have been told to have a good night.


Its people who think like you who give dictators their power. For every brave freedom fighter there is a snivelling apologist toadie who prefers the security of an iron hand to his dignity.
 
2013-07-05 09:24:42 PM

nmemkha: For every brave freedom fighter there is a snivelling apologist toadie who prefers the security of an iron hand to his dignity.


images.wikia.com
 
2013-07-05 09:38:35 PM
In case y'all didn't know this already, this is why cops often demand that you roll down your window.

A cop with an alcohol sniffing flashlight will stick the light through the open window to read for alcohol fumes.
 
2013-07-05 09:51:49 PM
Cops were being total dicks here.
 
2013-07-05 09:54:14 PM

Irving Maimway: Cops were being total dicks here.


when are they not??
 
2013-07-05 10:03:39 PM

some_beer_drinker: Irving Maimway: Cops were being total dicks here.

when are they not??


When they knock on the window of the guy sitting in my parking lot blasting Iron Maiden at 3:00 AM while my kids are sleeping.
 
2013-07-05 10:07:07 PM

Irving Maimway: some_beer_drinker: Irving Maimway: Cops were being total dicks here.

when are they not??

When they knock on the window of the guy sitting in my parking lot blasting Iron Maiden at 3:00 AM while my kids are sleeping.


hey man, you can't infringe on my right to rock out! who do you think you are??
 
2013-07-05 11:36:30 PM
I'd say he should sue the department and make bank, but there didn't seem to be a lot of evidence other than the officer's dickish behavior.
 
2013-07-05 11:41:16 PM
I wonder if he had said "If I am not being detained, I am leaving now." what would have happened.
 
2013-07-05 11:57:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I wonder if he had said "If I am not being detained, I am leaving now." what would have happened.


Now that would've been awesome.
 
2013-07-06 12:06:41 AM

Solon Isonomia: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder if he had said "If I am not being detained, I am leaving now." what would have happened.

Now that would've been awesome.


Oh yeah, 8 police officers opening fire on a car with a running video camera would have been a lot more entertaining.  Probably would have ended badly for the videographer, though.
 
2013-07-06 12:07:26 AM
Disheartening video. Absolutely chilling.
 
2013-07-06 12:29:09 AM
Five bucks says the videographer is pre-law.
 
2013-07-06 12:31:38 AM

Lsherm: Solon Isonomia: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder if he had said "If I am not being detained, I am leaving now." what would have happened.

Now that would've been awesome.

Oh yeah, 8 police officers opening fire on a car with a running video camera would have been a lot more entertaining.  Probably would have ended badly for the videographer, though.


Well if they shot a guy for lawfully driving we would never see the video.
 
2013-07-06 12:55:06 AM
What an annoying douchebag.

/farking fledgling libertarians with no sense... where the fark are they all sprouting from?
 
2013-07-06 12:59:06 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Lsherm: Solon Isonomia: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder if he had said "If I am not being detained, I am leaving now." what would have happened.

Now that would've been awesome.

Oh yeah, 8 police officers opening fire on a car with a running video camera would have been a lot more entertaining.  Probably would have ended badly for the videographer, though.

Well if they shot a guy for lawfully driving we would never see the video.


I'm kind of surprised there is video here. I wonder what happened when confronted with the video camera. Also, the sad part is these are the situations were we usually see a fark article where the officer does something illegal and then the guy in the car ends up facing charges for illegally taping a police officer (in those states where they've made that illegal)
 
2013-07-06 01:03:54 AM

NFA: Back about 10 years ago I was in Baltimore city with a black friend.  At the time we were both federal employees, his car had the federal gate access stickers above the window VIN.   My friend was driving normally and slowly, a policeman stopped us then ordered us out of the vehicle.  He went to his car and checked our drivers licenses, as we stood there he said "I'm going to search your vehicle".  Mike said, I don't consent to this search.  At that point, the policeman didn't acknowledge his protest and entered the vehicle and threw the entire contents of the car out into the street, including in items in the glove box and the console.  A bottle of cologne shattered and splattered his school books.  After he finished, he stepped back and handed Mike both of our driver's licenses,said have a good night, entered his police car and drove away.  The contents of the car  still all over the street.   I felt like I was visiting some foreign dictatorship.

American police forces have virtually no concept of professionalism.  Take a look at the many video's of European police officers in action, what you typically see is officers trained to de-escalate situations instead of meeting every situation with force and an aggressive demeanor.   Sure, the European police will beat your ass if you need it but they don't typically brutalize the public for fun.

/not the submitter


Ten to one says the fancy lad in the video doesn't give one shiat about the fact that black people have been treated like shiat, by police officers in this country, since, well, over 400 years ago.  *That's* what they should be recording -- racial injustice -- not some retarded road stop where the driver thinks he's the next Thomas farking Paine (not the "guaranteed minimum income for everyone" Thomas Paine, of course, as that's communism).
 
2013-07-06 01:09:53 AM

Lsherm: Oh yeah, 8 police officers opening fire on a car with a running video camera would have been a lot more entertaining. Probably would have ended badly for the videographer, though.


What video?  Police didn't note a camera in the vehicle inventory or evidence list.
 
2013-07-06 01:12:29 AM

Lsherm: Solon Isonomia: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder if he had said "If I am not being detained, I am leaving now." what would have happened.

Now that would've been awesome.

Oh yeah, 8 police officers opening fire on a car with a running video camera would have been a lot more entertaining.  Probably would have ended badly for the videographer, though.


No, the vast majority of offices know when someone uses specific words (IE - "Am I detained?") is a sign the citizen means business and they've been caught in something.
 
2013-07-06 01:15:59 AM
The kid should be showing the video to a lawyer, not posting it on You Tube. This was an unlawful detention.

DUI Checkpoints are lawful for enforcing DUI laws only. Just the fact that they have a drug dog at the checkpoint shows that they're doing stuff outside the constitutional boundaries of a DUI checkpoint.
 
2013-07-06 01:19:48 AM

gameshowhost: What an annoying douchebag.

/farking fledgling libertarians with no sense... where the fark are they all sprouting from?


The ACLU probably, it's truly horrible, people aware of their rights and expecting they not be infringed.
 
2013-07-06 01:22:24 AM

CruiserTwelve: The kid should be showing the video to a lawyer, not posting it on You Tube. This was an unlawful detention.

DUI Checkpoints are lawful for enforcing DUI laws only. Just the fact that they have a drug dog at the checkpoint shows that they're doing stuff outside the constitutional boundaries of a DUI checkpoint.


The remedy for an unlawful search is for the results of the search to be inadmissible in court (getting money from the government/police doesn't do you any good if you're in jail) - what the heck is this kid going to get?
 
2013-07-06 01:27:48 AM

Solon Isonomia: The remedy for an unlawful search is for the results of the search to be inadmissible in court (getting money from the government/police doesn't do you any good if you're in jail) - what the heck is this kid going to get?


If nothing else, the satisfaction of judicial acknowledgment that he was right and the cops were wrong. However, he's probably looking at some punitive damages.
 
2013-07-06 01:33:38 AM

CruiserTwelve: If nothing else, the satisfaction of judicial acknowledgment that he was right and the cops were wrong. However, he's probably looking at some punitive damages.


Hmm, I suppose he could try some sort of civil rights case, but that's a high mountain to climb and the dog sniffs could be considered reasonable under some kind of Frankenstein-esque logic using the plain view and automobile exceptions. Granted, I haven't practiced any sort of criminal law for well over four years, so I am a little rusty.
 
2013-07-06 01:44:12 AM

violentsalvation: gameshowhost: What an annoying douchebag.

/farking fledgling libertarians with no sense... where the fark are they all sprouting from?

The ACLU probably, it's truly horrible, people aware of their rights and expecting they not be infringed.


Yeah, the neophyte libertarian crowd is *real* big on the ACLU.  The "bwak! small government!!" tards crack at the organization with every chance they get.  These are not *libertarians* -- these are "American Libertarians" -- corporatists who want government out of everything.

/yet we still fight for their rights, bless their dumb hearts
//why yes i've been a member of the aclu for years
 
2013-07-06 01:46:09 AM

gameshowhost: Ten to one says the fancy lad in the video doesn't give one shiat about the fact that black people have been treated like shiat, by police officers in this country, since, well, over 400 years ago.  *That's* what they should be recording -- racial injustice -- not some retarded road stop where the driver thinks he's the next Thomas farking Paine (not the "guaranteed minimum income for everyone" Thomas Paine, of course, as that's communism).


What do you think might have happened if a racial minority tried this? I assume this kid was white, but it was hard to see. If he was white the message should be "If this is what they do to white people who know their rights..." not OMG fledgling libertardian hurr hurr *brain aneurysm*.
 
2013-07-06 01:54:11 AM

CruiserTwelve: The kid should be showing the video to a lawyer, not posting it on You Tube. This was an unlawful detention.

DUI Checkpoints are lawful for enforcing DUI laws only. Just the fact that they have a drug dog at the checkpoint shows that they're doing stuff outside the constitutional boundaries of a DUI checkpoint.


That's not really true though is it?

Aren't the checkpoints for the entire litany of possible impairment charges including both drugs and alcohol?
 
2013-07-06 01:54:39 AM

gameshowhost: violentsalvation: gameshowhost: What an annoying douchebag.

/farking fledgling libertarians with no sense... where the fark are they all sprouting from?

The ACLU probably, it's truly horrible, people aware of their rights and expecting they not be infringed.

Yeah, the neophyte libertarian crowd is *real* big on the ACLU.  The "bwak! small government!!" tards crack at the organization with every chance they get.  These are not *libertarians* -- these are "American Libertarians" -- corporatists who want government out of everything.

/yet we still fight for their rights, bless their dumb hearts
//why yes i've been a member of the aclu for years


Oh right, it must be troubling to share a few beliefs and core principles with the "libertarian" strawman.
 
2013-07-06 01:59:05 AM

CruiserTwelve: The kid should be showing the video to a lawyer, not posting it on You Tube. This was an unlawful detention.

DUI Checkpoints are lawful for enforcing DUI laws only. Just the fact that they have a drug dog at the checkpoint shows that they're doing stuff outside the constitutional boundaries of a DUI checkpoint.


No no - there's new reasoning in place.  The "stop" is for enforcing DUI laws only.  Once stopped, if the officer has reasonable suspicion that there are drugs in the car - "reasonable suspicion" to a cop is anything they can make up on the spot - THEN the police can bring the dog in.  The dog was there just in case such a situation presented itself.

Presumably someone is going to sue about it eventually, but in the meantime they'll probably keep it up.
 
2013-07-06 02:03:10 AM

violentsalvation: gameshowhost: Ten to one says the fancy lad in the video doesn't give one shiat about the fact that black people have been treated like shiat, by police officers in this country, since, well, over 400 years ago.  *That's* what they should be recording -- racial injustice -- not some retarded road stop where the driver thinks he's the next Thomas farking Paine (not the "guaranteed minimum income for everyone" Thomas Paine, of course, as that's communism).

What do you think might have happened if a racial minority tried this? I assume this kid was white, but it was hard to see. If he was white the message should be "If this is what they do to white people who know their rights..." not OMG fledgling libertardian hurr hurr *brain aneurysm*.


violentsalvation: gameshowhost: violentsalvation: gameshowhost: What an annoying douchebag.

/farking fledgling libertarians with no sense... where the fark are they all sprouting from?

The ACLU probably, it's truly horrible, people aware of their rights and expecting they not be infringed.

Yeah, the neophyte libertarian crowd is *real* big on the ACLU.  The "bwak! small government!!" tards crack at the organization with every chance they get.  These are not *libertarians* -- these are "American Libertarians" -- corporatists who want government out of everything.

/yet we still fight for their rights, bless their dumb hearts
//why yes i've been a member of the aclu for years

Oh right, it must be troubling to share a few beliefs and core principles with the "libertarian" strawman.


It's not a strawman when it's an accurate description of the policies and outcomes libertarians seek at the voting booth, whether intentional or not.  Or are you going with the No True Libertarian?  Because then we can get out the cartoon nice and early ITT.
 
2013-07-06 02:05:37 AM
ah, what the hell. for funsies.

www.ritholtz.com
 
2013-07-06 02:16:16 AM
The Supreme Court has ruled DUI checkpoints legal. The moment you refuse to roll down your window, you give the officer probable cause that you're driving while intoxicated. The officers were 100% justified in detaining him and searching his vehicle.
 
2013-07-06 02:45:57 AM

Popcorn Johnny: The Supreme Court has ruled DUI checkpoints legal. The moment you refuse to roll down your window, you give the officer probable cause that you're driving while intoxicated. The officers were 100% justified in detaining him and searching his vehicle.


Wait, what? You're hammering Obama for 4th Amendment violations in the other thread but excusing them here?
 
2013-07-06 02:47:18 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wait, what? You're hammering Obama for 4th Amendment violations in the other thread but excusing them here?


I'm hammering Obama supporters.
 
2013-07-06 03:01:51 AM

gameshowhost: ah, what the hell. for funsies.

[www.ritholtz.com image 650x976]


Ah yes, Barry Deutsch, the uber feminist that when low on money sold his domain name (amptoons) to pornographers and never told his feminist audience that he was literally pimping their traffic to up his pay rate.

i.imgur.com

Please tell me some more of how Barry Deutsch thinks we should act and think, I am sure it can't be any funnier than the above.
 
2013-07-06 03:05:25 AM

Solon Isonomia: CruiserTwelve: If nothing else, the satisfaction of judicial acknowledgment that he was right and the cops were wrong. However, he's probably looking at some punitive damages.

Hmm, I suppose he could try some sort of civil rights case, but that's a high mountain to climb and the dog sniffs could be considered reasonable under some kind of Frankenstein-esque logic using the plain view and automobile exceptions. Granted, I haven't practiced any sort of criminal law for well over four years, so I am a little rusty.


Well I'm not him, but if I were him, and this had happened to me, I would be seeking to:

1. Alert the public/raise awareness
2. Stop this illegal behavior / get the cops to agree to stop it and retrain their officers
3. Investigate other likely abuses of the 4th amendment
4. Get them to pay for the dog scratches on my car
 
2013-07-06 03:16:02 AM
This is a bookmark for further reading.

I expect nothing but civil conversation.
 
2013-07-06 03:16:37 AM

gameshowhost: violentsalvation: gameshowhost: Ten to one says the fancy lad in the video doesn't give one shiat about the fact that black people have been treated like shiat, by police officers in this country, since, well, over 400 years ago.  *That's* what they should be recording -- racial injustice -- not some retarded road stop where the driver thinks he's the next Thomas farking Paine (not the "guaranteed minimum income for everyone" Thomas Paine, of course, as that's communism).

What do you think might have happened if a racial minority tried this? I assume this kid was white, but it was hard to see. If he was white the message should be "If this is what they do to white people who know their rights..." not OMG fledgling libertardian hurr hurr *brain aneurysm*.

violentsalvation: gameshowhost: violentsalvation: gameshowhost: What an annoying douchebag.

/farking fledgling libertarians with no sense... where the fark are they all sprouting from?

The ACLU probably, it's truly horrible, people aware of their rights and expecting they not be infringed.

Yeah, the neophyte libertarian crowd is *real* big on the ACLU.  The "bwak! small government!!" tards crack at the organization with every chance they get.  These are not *libertarians* -- these are "American Libertarians" -- corporatists who want government out of everything.

/yet we still fight for their rights, bless their dumb hearts
//why yes i've been a member of the aclu for years

Oh right, it must be troubling to share a few beliefs and core principles with the "libertarian" strawman.

It's not a strawman when it's an accurate description of the policies and outcomes libertarians seek at the voting booth, whether intentional or not.  Or are you going with the No True Libertarian?  Because then we can get out the cartoon nice and early ITT.


You asked earlier where all the fledgling libertarians were coming from all the sudden. I instead wonder why there is this sudden push against them, pigeonholing them all into the extreme, and obviously politically-inviable dead end of Ayn and free tickets to Somalia, as if there are no moderate or pragmatic libertarians (take a breather after reading that, if you need to, yes they exist) . I assume it's because the former champions of civil liberties are just as happy to see the erosion of rights that are pesky and don't fit with their delusional version of what they dream our society to be.

It's not exactly like there is a viable party left for people who respect civil liberties or the Bill of Rights.
 
2013-07-06 03:26:02 AM
violentsalvation:

It's not a strawman when it's an accurate description of the policies and outcomes libertarians seek at the voting booth, whether intentional or not.  Or are you going with the No True Libertarian?  Because then we can get out the cartoon nice and early ITT.

You asked earlier where all the fledgling libertarians were coming from all the sudden. I instead wonder why there is this sudden push against them, pigeonholing t ...


I find it sad, or sadly funny, how many diehard Obama supporters a few years ago were deriding anyone with any sort of libertarian streak to them. For instance, compare the comments at jonathanturley.org with the actual posts of Jonathan Turley who is clearly largely progressive up until it comes to civil rights. And then he is a staunch civil libertarian who says very critical things about Obama and has said very kind things about RON PAUL.  There's a physics prof at freethoughtsblog.com, Mano Singham, who relates that he was a big Obama supporter and now he too is disgusted by what has happened to civil liberties under Obama's care. But again, Singham, and certainly much of his commenters are all about deriding and picking on anyone with any sort of libertarian bent.

I suspect the sudden push is happening due to cognitive dissonance, it  is hard to think  my party, my President is wrong on this. As well there is of course, Gandhi's "First they ignore you, thenthey laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. " So maybe they have reached the stage where they have to fight libertarians, ...

Anyway, it would be good if the Democrats (and the ACLU) started giving a shiat about civil liberties again. In the meantime, I guess I am glad to see that some folks are interested enough to look outside the party.
 
2013-07-06 03:57:40 AM

Lsherm: No no - there's new reasoning in place.  The "stop" is for enforcing DUI laws only.  Once stopped, if the officer has reasonable suspicion that there are drugs in the car - "reasonable suspicion" to a cop is anything they can make up on the spot - THEN the police can bring the dog in.  The dog was there just in case such a situation presented itself.


But I would argue that the dog sniff creates reasonable suspicion. If they already have reasonable suspicion, then why would they need the dog?
 
2013-07-06 04:06:44 AM

Popcorn Johnny: The Supreme Court has ruled DUI checkpoints legal. The moment you refuse to roll down your window, you give the officer probable cause that you're driving while intoxicated. The officers were 100% justified in detaining him and searching his vehicle.


Nope. First, he DID roll down his window, at least far enough for the officer to detect any alcohol odors. There's no reason for him to roll it down further. Second, any further detention must be based on at least reasonable suspicion. In this case, there was none. There was nothing to lead the officer to believe the kid was intoxicated, so the only option was to allow him to proceed on his way. The only thing this kid did was piss off the cop, and that doesn't amount to anything much less reasonable suspicion. It's not illegal to piss off a cop.

DUI Checkpoints are close to the border of legality even when done correctly. This cop crossed the line when he detained the kid further for no reason.
 
2013-07-06 04:16:09 AM

CruiserTwelve: Popcorn Johnny: The Supreme Court has ruled DUI checkpoints legal. The moment you refuse to roll down your window, you give the officer probable cause that you're driving while intoxicated. The officers were 100% justified in detaining him and searching his vehicle.

Nope. First, he DID roll down his window, at least far enough for the officer to detect any alcohol odors. There's no reason for him to roll it down further. Second, any further detention must be based on at least reasonable suspicion. In this case, there was none. There was nothing to lead the officer to believe the kid was intoxicated, so the only option was to allow him to proceed on his way. The only thing this kid did was piss off the cop, and that doesn't amount to anything much less reasonable suspicion. It's not illegal to piss off a cop.

DUI Checkpoints are close to the border of legality even when done correctly. This cop crossed the line when he detained the kid further for no reason.


When even a cop says you crossed the line, officer, you crossed the line.

Think this video will lose the officer in it his job?
 
2013-07-06 05:55:17 AM

CruiserTwelve: Popcorn Johnny: The Supreme Court has ruled DUI checkpoints legal. The moment you refuse to roll down your window, you give the officer probable cause that you're driving while intoxicated. The officers were 100% justified in detaining him and searching his vehicle.

Nope. First, he DID roll down his window, at least far enough for the officer to detect any alcohol odors. There's no reason for him to roll it down further. Second, any further detention must be based on at least reasonable suspicion. In this case, there was none. There was nothing to lead the officer to believe the kid was intoxicated, so the only option was to allow him to proceed on his way. The only thing this kid did was piss off the cop, and that doesn't amount to anything much less reasonable suspicion. It's not illegal to piss off a cop.

DUI Checkpoints are close to the border of legality even when done correctly. This cop crossed the line when he detained the kid further for no reason.


Who are you and what have you done to CruiserTwelve?

No defending the cop along the lines of "We didn't know what happened before the video started, the cop probably had to deal with scum the entire evening risking his life, we only know one side of the story, ect"?
 
2013-07-06 05:57:30 AM
What's the goal of these checkpoint video recordings? To get hits on YouTube? Why don't they simply roll up with an attorney to begin with and drive off laughing after a successful troll?
 
2013-07-06 06:00:34 AM

Irving Maimway: some_beer_drinker: Irving Maimway: Cops were being total dicks here.

when are they not??

When they knock on the window of the guy sitting in my parking lot blasting Iron Maiden at 3:00 AM while my kids are sleeping.


Its people who think like you who give dictators their power. For every brave freedom fighter there is a snivelling apologist toadie who prefers the security of an iron hand to his dignity.
 
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