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(NBC News)   Whole Foods recalls cheese featuring organic, free-range, artisanal Listeria   (nbcnews.com) divider line 49
    More: Scary, Listeria monocytogenes, severe illness, illness, bacterial infections, abdominal cramps  
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2013-07-05 09:46:14 PM  
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$16 a pound is a lot for Wisconsin cheese.
 
2013-07-05 10:35:10 PM  

notmtwain: [wnyw.images.worldnow.com image 640x360]


$16 a pound is a lot for Wisconsin cheese.


But it's a bargain for listeria!
 
2013-07-06 12:23:35 AM  
But was it free-range listeria?
 
2013-07-06 12:24:13 AM  
Dang: meant to say: was it fair-trade listeria?
 
2013-07-06 12:27:58 AM  
Listeriosis is all natural.
 
2013-07-06 12:31:16 AM  
Dirty hippies. No be shock here, should we be not vaccinating our kids also? I feel so connected to mother earth.
 
2013-07-06 12:32:06 AM  
Is this the shiat that's made with live bugs?
 
2013-07-06 12:32:25 AM  
Listeria is a bacteria so you can't vaccinate against it.

/You can't explain that!
 
2013-07-06 12:32:32 AM  

sendtodave: Listeriosis is all natural.


Saw Civil War re-enactor on TV the other night talking about authenticity, then saying "dysentery is authentic" but that was not necessary for re-enactment!
 
2013-07-06 12:33:25 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: sendtodave: Listeriosis is all natural.

Saw Civil War re-enactor on TV the other night talking about authenticity, then saying "dysentery is authentic" but that was not necessary for re-enactment!


But it would be more entertaining.
 
2013-07-06 12:34:21 AM  
I don't see what the big deal is. Oh no, I ate some cheese that also disinfected like mouthwash.
 
2013-07-06 12:34:35 AM  
Ok, I'm all for the free milk and free cheese movement, but can we get someone in charge to be sure that we don't get farking sick!!!!
 
2013-07-06 12:34:58 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: Dang: meant to say: was it fair-trade listeria?


It was Round-Up Ready Listeria.

/anyone who gets sick gets sued for illegally reproducing patented bacteria
 
2013-07-06 12:36:52 AM  
"promotes intestinal fauna"
 
2013-07-06 12:36:59 AM  
I assiduously avoid Whole Foods products, so I don't really give edam.
 
2013-07-06 12:38:06 AM  
Arrr, tis anal!
 
2013-07-06 12:42:13 AM  
This never would have happened if they had bought a brick of Velveeta instead.

/ it's cheese-ish...
 
2013-07-06 12:44:46 AM  
All of a sudden American Processed Pasteurized Cheese Food Slices don't sound so bad, do they foodies?
 
2013-07-06 12:46:02 AM  
fark Williamsburg
 
2013-07-06 12:55:55 AM  

ski9600: Ok, I'm all for the free milk and free cheese movement, but can we get someone in charge to be sure that we don't get farking sick!!!!


Nope. The point was to get away from stupid inspectors in the first place, and prove that Whole Foods doesn't need the FDA to tell them what they can and can't sell.

/good thing the left is convinced Whole Foods are the "good guys," it means they will get infinite second chances no matter how many people die
//and all they have to do is keep lobbying the EPA, while telling the FDA to go fark themselves
 
2013-07-06 12:57:33 AM  
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I don't see what the big deal is. Oh no, I ate some cheese that also disinfected like mouthwash.

Lysteria will cleanse you right out.
 
2013-07-06 12:57:34 AM  
It's good to know they don't make their bacteria live in cages.
 
2013-07-06 01:07:00 AM  
I enjoy the occasional bout of food illness, but listeria is a bit extreme for my tastes.
 
2013-07-06 01:10:28 AM  

albatros183: Listeria is a bacteria so you can't vaccinate against it.


There are vaccines for other bacterial diseases, e.g. tetanus and pertussis. I don't know if there's anything for listeria beyond the research stage. The preferred approach for controlling it seems to be spraying the food products with bacteriophage viruses.
 
2013-07-06 01:13:02 AM  
Typical....surprised they caught it this time.
 
2013-07-06 01:14:17 AM  
I was under the impression that proper cheesemaking rendered raw milk safe. Is this wrong, or did these hippies fail at cheese?

/Off to Wikipedia, with grains of salt
 
2013-07-06 01:18:12 AM  
Too bad you don't get health care with that
 
2013-07-06 01:20:40 AM  
TopoGigo : I was under the impression that proper cheesemaking rendered raw milk safe. Is this wrong, or did these hippies fail at cheese?

Cheesemaking is basically a race between the good cultures you want vs the bad cultures you don't want.

Screw up the process at any step along the way (up to and including packaging/shipping) and the bad guys win.

Also, the lower the salt content and higher the moisture content, the easier it is to screw up, and based on pictures of this cheese, it falls into the "moist" category.

www.milwaukeemag.com
// hard cheeses don't tend to turn lopsided.
 
2013-07-06 01:28:54 AM  

TopoGigo: I was under the impression that proper cheesemaking rendered raw milk safe. Is this wrong, or did these hippies fail at cheese?

/Off to Wikipedia, with grains of salt


The milk is pasteurized, as shown on the label in the 1st comment here; I don't know if stores are even allowed to sell cheese made from raw milk. Unwanted bacteria can be introduced at other times during processing or handling, though.
 
2013-07-06 02:17:56 AM  
I bet it was that "Merican" cheese that everyone hates.

/DRTFA
 
2013-07-06 02:18:18 AM  

Ivo Shandor: albatros183: Listeria is a bacteria so you can't vaccinate against it.

There are vaccines for other bacterial diseases, e.g. tetanus and pertussis. I don't know if there's anything for listeria beyond the research stage. The preferred approach for controlling it seems to be spraying the food products with bacteriophage viruses.


Listeria is actually pretty interesting. It is usually detected and destroyed quickly by the immune system before it can cause more than a minor bout of diarrhea, but the real problem starts if one of the bacteria can attach itself to a body cell and trick it into trying to consume it. When this happens, it slips inside the cell and begins reproducing inside it, like a virus except it takes control of the host's cytoskeleton instead of screwing with its DNA. It also doesn't leave an empty protein sheath on the cell's surface where killer T cells can detect it, like viruses do, and never leaves the safety of suborned cells once inside, spreading through filopods that are identical to the normal filopods that cells extrude to transfer nutrients, except they instead inject a listeria bacterium into any other cell they touch. The only weakness is that, like any parasite, it eventually takes so much material and energy from the host cell that it dies, ruptures, and spills its bacterial contents, leading to a sudden immune system freakout that causes damage to nearby cells that probably also have listeria in them. Eventually the immune system measures kill off the worst of the infection, though the side effects of such extreme measures like meningitis and abscesses can often lead to death.

For this reason, it's best to detect and destroy it before it enters the human body. After entering, it's down to whether the host's immune system and plenty of amoxicillin-class antibiotics can kill it before it develops into listeriosis. Once listeriosis starts, mortality rate becomes 20% - 30%, much higher than salmonella.
 
2013-07-06 02:44:38 AM  
In WI at least any raw milk cheese has to be aged for at least 60 days.
 
2013-07-06 02:45:18 AM  

cyberspacedout: TopoGigo: I was under the impression that proper cheesemaking rendered raw milk safe. Is this wrong, or did these hippies fail at cheese?

/Off to Wikipedia, with grains of salt

The milk is pasteurized, as shown on the label in the 1st comment here; I don't know if stores are even allowed to sell cheese made from raw milk. Unwanted bacteria can be introduced at other times during processing or handling, though.


Absolutely stores can sell raw-milk cheese (though you can't import any cheese that has been aged less than 60 days). When i'm not pregnant I love me some raw-milk cheese. And fun fact: all parmesan cheese (and no, kraft isn't cheese) is all raw milk, but it's aged so long that almost all of the harmful bacteria is destroyed.
 
2013-07-06 04:20:22 AM  
Dam!  My wife gets cheese from Whole Foods all the time and I check the cheese distributor and saw that it was not Crave Bothers.
 
2013-07-06 05:44:18 AM  

TomD9938: This never would have happened if they had bought a brick of Velveeta instead.

/ it's cheese-ish...


Velveeta- the Cheese That Will Not Die.
 
2013-07-06 06:33:08 AM  
Listeria is one of those neat bugs that only show up in a very clean environment. Lactobacillus usually curb stomps it. I'd be willing to bet it was from a cracked housing on some piece of machinery.
 
2013-07-06 07:19:52 AM  
 When i'm not pregnant I love me some raw-milk cheese. the other 30 days a year a make my own.

/ugh!
 
2013-07-06 07:40:17 AM  

Tatterdemalian: ski9600: Ok, I'm all for the free milk and free cheese movement, but can we get someone in charge to be sure that we don't get farking sick!!!!

Nope. The point was to get away from stupid inspectors in the first place, and prove that Whole Foods doesn't need the FDA to tell them what they can and can't sell.

/good thing the left is convinced Whole Foods are the "good guys," it means they will get infinite second chances no matter how many people die
//and all they have to do is keep lobbying the EPA, while telling the FDA to go fark themselves



yes, lets keep eating mcdonalds, kfc, and all the other fast food places that churn out fat and sugar which are the number one killers in america, meanwhile a handful of listeria cases OMG everybody panic.
 
2013-07-06 08:38:56 AM  

bigbobowski: When i'm not pregnant I love me some raw-milk cheese. the other 30 days a year a make my own.

/ugh!


Your gestation period is only 30 days? What are you, a muskrat?
 
2013-07-06 09:32:14 AM  
Twice the price for shiattier food than Publix.

Whole Foods is a monument to yuppie idiocy.
 
2013-07-06 09:51:35 AM  
I had a listeria infection before it was cool.
 
2013-07-06 11:06:43 AM  
Reminds me of some Def Leppard song.

/"when you get that feeling"
//what has nine arms and sucks?
 
2013-07-06 11:19:01 AM  
Couldn't they just have irradiated the cheese with a gamma source and prevented this?
 
2013-07-06 12:46:29 PM  
makingenergy.com

For science!
 
2013-07-06 01:11:38 PM  

nucular bum: Reminds me of some Def Leppard song.

/"when you get that feeling"
//what has nine arms and sucks?


Our vet school band penned that song.  Don't remember how it goes, but it was nerdy.
 
2013-07-06 01:40:38 PM  

Cyno01: In WI at least any raw milk cheese has to be aged for at least 60 days.


Arguably raw milk cheeses are safer (certainly in this case!) than pasteurized cheeses.
 
2013-07-06 05:36:53 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Couldn't they just have irradiated the cheese with a gamma source and prevented this?


You could blast it with sufficiently high-powered non-ionizing radiation (microwave) or energetic ionizing radiation (your gamma ray idea) to destroy bacteria. However, that wouldn't be "organic". irradiating meat products of any kind should be par for the course.
 
2013-07-07 12:06:28 AM  

Rosyna: SN1987a goes boom: Couldn't they just have irradiated the cheese with a gamma source and prevented this?

You could blast it with sufficiently high-powered non-ionizing radiation (microwave) or energetic ionizing radiation (your gamma ray idea) to destroy bacteria. However, that wouldn't be "organic". irradiating meat products of any kind should be par for the course.


Hulk smash.
 
2013-07-07 07:18:01 AM  
static.giantbomb.com
 
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